And you're not dead, so I'm not a Quack Doctor or the other Doctor protected you from me.
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Weak doctor kills themselves.
A long with some other bad things that I didn't think about until now.
Sonatora has been prodded.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Why are you presenting it as something new?
Vote: CTs
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
And for those who dont know, thats my alibi
Ok these 4 are the possible cause of Deaths.
We know that I can't kill people.
We know that either CPR or Quack are dead.
This ammounts to 3 possible deaths Overnight, at 6p that'd be insta lose if we mislynch
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora (Weak,Quack, CPR, Paranoid, Naive )
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > Navizel
beeboy > No Target
No one targeted Gumica either so Gumica died of a mafia kill.
^
This is interesting so i guess it's time to check on Gumica's reads.
Also i'm thinking on no lynching and doing the circle targeting anyone else agrees?
Worst case scenario is that 3 people die and it a 2v1 against scum (as the doctor that dies by not being protected will be protected) which isn't that bad as long as everyone targets properly. And even if 3 people die the scum will be obvious.
Scenario where we get 3 deaths as shows. I killed off doctor for the purpose of this scenario.
2 of the deaths we had (Both the Lynch and Mislynch) are on the 3/6 non lethal roles which is already very low
After that we all need to target perfectly without any of the lethal doctors or scum being jailed (which is 4/5 roles) which we can also predict. On top of the fact we can change our plans in the twilight phase.
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Yeah and we have no way to know if the weak doc died because we targeted scum and he chose not to Nk anyone (if jail dead), or it was a simple NK, so it's not gonna work, just ignore the second half of my post there.
Topic Starter
Nurse flips as nurse. So it would be the first one.Navizel wrote:
@mod: Let's say Frostings was nurse, will he show as "Frostings, Nurse, modkilled" or "Frostings, Town Doctor, modkilled"?
Let me explain with an example: a player is targeted by the mafia, the quack doctor and the normal doctor. Two people are trying to kill that player and one to protect him, therefore, the player dies because the normal doctor is able to stop only one of them.Navizel wrote:
Also @mod - "Doctors who protect only stop a single nightkill from happening."
That only means you can use your "protection" ability every night..Navizel wrote:
Also @mod "'Protection': Each night phase, you may use a "protection" action on a player in the game. You're not exactly sure what you will do, though."
I'm confused. I'm slow to these kinds of things
I agree with drezi (unless I misunderstood) that doing a protecting everyone in a circle is a bad idea and the scum could also manipulate something.
For example: Drezi refuses to participate so scum kills the person drezi wanted to kill. Or scum does nothing and quack doctor (or whatever kills people) is the one the gets accused for being scum
For example: Drezi refuses to participate so scum kills the person drezi wanted to kill. Or scum does nothing and quack doctor (or whatever kills people) is the one the gets accused for being scum
What I mean is protect who we believe is being targeted, I am aware going in a circle is a strategy.
Why would you suggest that we protect whoever we think is town? If we lynch today and it's a mislynch the NK target is still only 1 of the remaining 5 people, and even if you get the target right, there's only a 4/6 chance of the protection working (weak, cpr, normal, jail doc)
If you target the scumread 1/6 that the NK is jailed, 2/6 that you kill him, those are better odds, than trying to guess the Nk target right, and hoping that you don't kill your townread.
If you target the scumread 1/6 that the NK is jailed, 2/6 that you kill him, those are better odds, than trying to guess the Nk target right, and hoping that you don't kill your townread.
Because many people would decide that not using there action is the best option thus lowering the chance of a townie dying for nothing.
No the circle targeting isn't to try to kill the scum, is to find scum via action resolution.Sakura wrote:
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > ???
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > ???
But it doesn't declare how people died so the mafia can do nothing and just watch us kill ourselves
It depends really, when i finish getting all targets i'll show you why, but it's pretty much the same reason how you easily catch scum in Dethy.
And why haven't you said who you targeted yet.
And why haven't you said who you targeted yet.
To you (unless I missed it somewhere)beeboy123 wrote:
To whom was the second part directed at?
Ya you did, too lazy to find it so I will type it out again.
I didn't want to commit suicide along with my inability to read who the scum would target so I did not target anyone.
I didn't want to commit suicide along with my inability to read who the scum would target so I did not target anyone.
Sakura wrote:
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > ???
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > No Target
Why did you think predicting who scum would target was a priority during the night phase?
Why did you think it would be akin to commiting suicide?
Why did you think it would be akin to commiting suicide?
and I forgot bold
@mod Did nurse have powers last night?
@mod Did nurse have powers last night?
Le facepalm.
As a town doctor I could protect them or not die as the weak doctor.Sakura wrote:
Why did you think predicting who scum would target was a priority during the night phase?
Quack doctor fell under the category of commuting suicide as it is an accidental town death (bad word choice)Sakura wrote:
Why did you think it would be akin to commiting suicide?
Weak doctor kills themselves.
A long with some other bad things that I didn't think about until now.
Topic Starter
A doctor died (even if it was a modkill), so the nurse inherired a power.beeboy123 wrote:
and I forgot bold
@mod Did nurse have powers last night?
So unless there are other overly paranoid doctors we should all have targets
So no one else?...
Topic Starter
Votecount 2.03
Players needed to lynch: 4
Chamelo_Th - 1 - Navizel - (L-3)
Players not voting: beeboy123, Chamelo_Th, Drezi, Sakura, Sonatora
Players needed to lynch: 4
Chamelo_Th - 1 - Navizel - (L-3)
Players not voting: beeboy123, Chamelo_Th, Drezi, Sakura, Sonatora
Sonatora has been prodded.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
I like pringles
my vote still remains
Cth>Sontatora>Sakura>beeboy>Drezi
my vote still remains
Cth>Sontatora>Sakura>beeboy>Drezi
Now I'm getting suspicious of Navizel, there's no reason to hold out their target...
It's bad to not vote my scumread? what
I've been asking who you targeted last night, that's all (Question also goes to Sonatora but he/she hasn't even been around so much he/she got prodded)
drezi
what good would that bring anyway
Lots of good believe it or not, now i'm just waiting for Sonotora.
While you're around any particular reason why you went for Drezi?
While you're around any particular reason why you went for Drezi?
Now updated!
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > No Target
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > No Target
I don't get beeboy and Sonatora. they probably won't be killed by scums due to their playstyle
I feel CTh and CB are scum
Gumica SNB null
I feel CTh and CB are scum
Gumica SNB null
I'm back from the dead
anyways, the current flow of the discussion led me to a bad hypothesis
Vote: Cth
anyways, the current flow of the discussion led me to a bad hypothesis
Vote: Cth
You feel that I'm scum.
Okay, so your vote is based on your feeling, right.
Okay, so your vote is based on your feeling, right.
It feels like you're the scum. Asking suspicious questions at the first minutes of day 1. Why wouldn't I suspect you?
But remember, It's just my intuition. Dont take it seriously. I need information
But remember, It's just my intuition. Dont take it seriously. I need information
On other news, I heard that there's another playstyle that involves mafia blending with twon and negating all thoughts
My intuition is saying something
My intuition is saying something
*town
I thought it was obvious but whatever. They are my thoughts last night, not today.Chamelo_Th wrote:
You feel that I'm scum.
Okay, so your vote is based on your feeling, right.
Did you mean: Day 2?
And gut feeling, yeah, gut feeling.
Who did you protected last night?
And gut feeling, yeah, gut feeling.
Who did you protected last night?
Here's my list
Cth : Intuition-san is teing me that you're the scum.
Sakura :Still leeching me for info
Navizel : Town, for now
beeboy : Aggressive town, but there's no lead that this guys a mafia. Null town
Cth : Intuition-san is teing me that you're the scum.
Sakura :Still leeching me for info
Navizel : Town, for now
beeboy : Aggressive town, but there's no lead that this guys a mafia. Null town
As is CTs, and I'd like you to answer too, since we're only missing your target, I see no reason not to cooperate with Sakura at this point.Sonatora wrote:
Sakura :Still leeching me for info
Oh, my target last night? It was Navizel. Anything else?
Ok so we have
That means Gumica was CPR/Quack doctor and it was him who killed CBot since noone targeted him, and Gumica was killed by scum (not the other kill capable doc or being weak doc), since noone targeted Gumica and CBot wouldn't have died if he was weak doc.
So what people CAN'T be are:
Sakura: CPR/Quack (since noone else targeted Sonatora who could have saved him)
Drezi: none, but since there's only one killing role left it's not probable that I have it and Navi is the Jailer at the same time.
Navi: none, being a killing role is a bit more probable, since two people could have jailed him.
CTh: none, being protective or killing is a lot more probable, since Navi was targeted by two people so either 2 nonkilling or 1 killing 1 protective among them.
Sonatora: same as CTh.
So what we can figure of this for sure is that we should have Sakura protect a townread, that she feels would get NK-d.
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > Navizel
beeboy > No Target
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > Navizel
beeboy > No Target
That means Gumica was CPR/Quack doctor and it was him who killed CBot since noone targeted him, and Gumica was killed by scum (not the other kill capable doc or being weak doc), since noone targeted Gumica and CBot wouldn't have died if he was weak doc.
So what people CAN'T be are:
Sakura: CPR/Quack (since noone else targeted Sonatora who could have saved him)
Drezi: none, but since there's only one killing role left it's not probable that I have it and Navi is the Jailer at the same time.
Navi: none, being a killing role is a bit more probable, since two people could have jailed him.
CTh: none, being protective or killing is a lot more probable, since Navi was targeted by two people so either 2 nonkilling or 1 killing 1 protective among them.
Sonatora: same as CTh.
So what we can figure of this for sure is that we should have Sakura protect a townread, that she feels would get NK-d.
Sakura: CPR/Quack (since noone else targeted Sonatora who could have saved him, and noone targeted Sakura who could have jailed the kill*)
So it's the line from the list of what she CAN'T be, to avoid confusion.
I only targeted Navizel last night since he felt vulnerable. He's also an obvious town so why not.
Wait.
We forget that Frosting could be CPR doctor or Quack doctor.
You know, Frosting targeted CB and CB targeted Frosting.
We forget that Frosting could be CPR doctor or Quack doctor.
You know, Frosting targeted CB and CB targeted Frosting.
What?
Frosting was modkilled D1, and Nurse got his powers (or he was nurse), so we went into N1 with the 6 doctor roles.
Frosting was modkilled D1, and Nurse got his powers (or he was nurse), so we went into N1 with the 6 doctor roles.
No it said Town Doctor, so he wasn't Nurse, the Nurse got his powers, doesn't change the point either way.
So you mean Gumica instead of Frostings, ok but I had already concluded that Gumica HAD to be CPR/Quack, and he couldn't have died from being targeted by other docs or being a weak doctor so scum HAD to target Gumica.Chamelo_Th wrote:
Wait.
We forget that Frosting could be CPR doctor or Quack doctor.
You know, Frosting targeted CB and CB targeted Frosting.
Why are you presenting it as something new?
Vote: CTs
Topic Starter
Votecount 2.04
Players needed to lynch: 4
Chamelo_Th - 3 - Navizel, Sonatora, Drezi - (L-1)
Players not voting: beeboy123, Chamelo_Th, Sakura
Players needed to lynch: 4
Chamelo_Th - 3 - Navizel, Sonatora, Drezi - (L-1)
Players not voting: beeboy123, Chamelo_Th, Sakura
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Yeah that's pretty much it, Also this means that since who killed CBot is dead then we have 1 less doctor that kills.Drezi wrote:
Ok so we haveSakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > Navizel
beeboy > No Target
That means Gumica was CPR/Quack doctor and it was him who killed CBot since noone targeted him, and Gumica was killed by scum (not the other kill capable doc or being weak doc), since noone targeted Gumica and CBot wouldn't have died if he was weak doc.
So what people CAN'T be are:
Sakura: CPR/Quack (since noone else targeted Sonatora who could have saved him)
Drezi: none, but since there's only one killing role left it's not probable that I have it and Navi is the Jailer at the same time.
Navi: none, being a killing role is a bit more probable, since two people could have jailed him.
CTh: none, being protective or killing is a lot more probable, since Navi was targeted by two people so either 2 nonkilling or 1 killing 1 protective among them.
Sonatora: same as CTh.
So what we can figure of this for sure is that we should have Sakura protect a townread, that she feels would get NK-d.
So CTh I have intent to hammer you, mostly based off CBot's associations. Why did you target Navizel last night?
Since everyone know my alibi, am I clear on this Navizel target theory?
Btw do take reminder of when claims happened, Because the people that claimed their target first are more likely to be town than the people that waited to claim, most likely because scum wanted to fake claim something to mess up with town's targets and to mess up their information, I don't take your "No target" claim as a fake claim because since you targeted no one then you weren't trying to mess up anything, I do admit it's harder to find out what kind of role are you tho.
Anyway now that we know one of the dead doctors is one of the killer ones I suppose I could run some numbers again and see whether we should do a circle targetting.
Anyway now that we know one of the dead doctors is one of the killer ones I suppose I could run some numbers again and see whether we should do a circle targetting.
Sonatora wrote:
I only targeted Navizel last night since he felt vulnerable. He's also an obvious town so why not.
And for those who dont know, thats my alibi
Weak Doctor dies if it targets a Mafia Goon (and isn't protected themself)
CPR Doctor saves their target from a nightkill, but if the player isn't actually targeted for a nightkill, the CPR Doctor kills them instead.
Paranoid Doctor is the functional equivalent of a Jailkeeper
Quack Doctor kills their target instead of protecting them, the functional equivalent of a Vigilante
Naive Doctor does nothing at all.
Mafia Goon kills peoplez
CPR Doctor saves their target from a nightkill, but if the player isn't actually targeted for a nightkill, the CPR Doctor kills them instead.
Paranoid Doctor is the functional equivalent of a Jailkeeper
Quack Doctor kills their target instead of protecting them, the functional equivalent of a Vigilante
Naive Doctor does nothing at all.
Mafia Goon kills peoplez
Ok these 4 are the possible cause of Deaths.
We know that I can't kill people.
We know that either CPR or Quack are dead.
This ammounts to 3 possible deaths Overnight, at 6p that'd be insta lose if we mislynch
Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora (Weak,
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > Drezi
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > Navizel
beeboy > No Target
No one targeted Gumica either so Gumica died of a mafia kill.
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This is interesting so i guess it's time to check on Gumica's reads.
Also i'm thinking on no lynching and doing the circle targeting anyone else agrees?
agree
Drezi
beeboy123
Chamelo_Th
Navizel
Sakura
Sonatora
This is the list. target the person below you, if you're at the bottom target the person above you, this means:
Drezi > beeboy
beeboy > CTh
CTh > Navizel
Navizel > Sakura
Sakura > Sonatora
Sonatora > Drezi
This way scum have no way to escape being implicated by targets and we can more clearly analyze the roles. I trust that if i die you guys will be able to figure it out.
That is if we no lynch to do this... Otherwise i'll hammer CTh.
beeboy123
Chamelo_Th
Navizel
Sakura
Sonatora
This is the list. target the person below you, if you're at the bottom target the person above you, this means:
Drezi > beeboy
beeboy > CTh
CTh > Navizel
Navizel > Sakura
Sakura > Sonatora
Sonatora > Drezi
This way scum have no way to escape being implicated by targets and we can more clearly analyze the roles. I trust that if i die you guys will be able to figure it out.
That is if we no lynch to do this... Otherwise i'll hammer CTh.
Oh btw, on other news if we mislynch today i'll be targetting Drezi tonight I know I can't kill Because no one targeted me, so i wasnt jailed, and no one else targeted Sonatora so i'm not CPR, Drezi's currently my highest townread and i rather protect him if we decide not to go along with the plan.
I guess so, you can't be helping out CTH as a fellow scum as there is 1 scum left so I feel comfortable doing this.Sakura wrote:
Also i'm thinking on no lynching and doing the circle targeting anyone else agrees?
Worst case scenario is that 3 people die and it a 2v1 against scum (as the doctor that dies by not being protected will be protected) which isn't that bad as long as everyone targets properly. And even if 3 people die the scum will be obvious.
obviously I won't vote no lynch as I want to hear everyones thoughts before we end the day
Well let's see.
1) If CTh is NOT scum and we lynch him:
If CTh wasn't weak doc and the weak doctor targets scum and doesn't get protected + scum doesn't get jailed and doesn't target someone who is protected + CTh wasn't CPR/Quack and CPR/Quack targets someone who is not the scum and isn't protected by one of the three possible protections, than we lose.
This scenario is very very unlikely, what's likely is that 0, 1 or 2 people die, since NK or CPR/Quack kill can be jailed plus NK and CPR/Quack kill and weak doctor death can be prevented by protections.
But we can always choose not to use our abilities, except for Sakura, and maybe me or Navi, that would be a max 1 death night probably.
2) If we do the circle voting:
Drezi > beeboy > CTh > Navizel > Sakura > Sonatora > Drezi
Someone dies for sure, [Cth, Navi, Drezi] one of us probably, since Beeboy, CTh or Sonatora are the likely killing roles, scum might get a kill too, Sonatora probably get's protected. Weak doctor can die too if targeting scum and not having protection, that's not that likely tough.
Whoever ends up with their targets dead becomes suspicious, since scum's target is guaranteed not to be protected. But it could be weak doc death or being CPR/Quack, or scum going for a not guaranteed kill to frame so everyone remains a suspect.
It's impossible to go through every scenario, I'll just try a few to see how much info we'd get.
Assume Sonatora is scum and killed me, beeboy is Quack and killed CTh.
What we see: Drezi dies, CTh dies. Player's left: Beeboy, Navi, Sonatora, Sakura.
Possible wrong cases
-Beeboy is scum and killed CTh + Sonatora is Quack / I was weak doc and Sonatora was jailed or VT.
-Navi is scum and killed me + Sonatora is VT or Quack, CTh is weak doc / Beeboy is Quack, Sonatora VT.
...there are probably more I got tired at this point.
If someone does more cases that would be welcome, from my small sample it looks like there are too many factors, and we can't really pintpoint scum this way.
1) If CTh is NOT scum and we lynch him:
If CTh wasn't weak doc and the weak doctor targets scum and doesn't get protected + scum doesn't get jailed and doesn't target someone who is protected + CTh wasn't CPR/Quack and CPR/Quack targets someone who is not the scum and isn't protected by one of the three possible protections, than we lose.
This scenario is very very unlikely, what's likely is that 0, 1 or 2 people die, since NK or CPR/Quack kill can be jailed plus NK and CPR/Quack kill and weak doctor death can be prevented by protections.
But we can always choose not to use our abilities, except for Sakura, and maybe me or Navi, that would be a max 1 death night probably.
2) If we do the circle voting:
Drezi > beeboy > CTh > Navizel > Sakura > Sonatora > Drezi
Someone dies for sure, [Cth, Navi, Drezi] one of us probably, since Beeboy, CTh or Sonatora are the likely killing roles, scum might get a kill too, Sonatora probably get's protected. Weak doctor can die too if targeting scum and not having protection, that's not that likely tough.
Whoever ends up with their targets dead becomes suspicious, since scum's target is guaranteed not to be protected. But it could be weak doc death or being CPR/Quack, or scum going for a not guaranteed kill to frame so everyone remains a suspect.
It's impossible to go through every scenario, I'll just try a few to see how much info we'd get.
Assume Sonatora is scum and killed me, beeboy is Quack and killed CTh.
What we see: Drezi dies, CTh dies. Player's left: Beeboy, Navi, Sonatora, Sakura.
Possible wrong cases
-Beeboy is scum and killed CTh + Sonatora is Quack / I was weak doc and Sonatora was jailed or VT.
-Navi is scum and killed me + Sonatora is VT or Quack, CTh is weak doc / Beeboy is Quack, Sonatora VT.
...there are probably more I got tired at this point.
If someone does more cases that would be welcome, from my small sample it looks like there are too many factors, and we can't really pintpoint scum this way.
Even if it doesn't give that much info, there's not much of a drawback to doing it though, since if CTh is scum than probably beeboy is the killing role and he'll just kill CTh, so we still win. Except if Navi is the Quack/CPR and Sonatora is Jailer, or I am the Quack/CPR and Navi is the Jailer (around 10%?). In that case Beeboy/Sakura dies + someone can get NK-d. Welp.
But if it IS beeboy I can still possibly Jail his kill and then we don't win even if it's CTh..
If I was scum I would have hammered to stop discussion
Scum doesn't know which doctors protect and which don't either, so they will either kill the one that's certainly to not be protected or may try shoot at someone else, either way the night actions will show us who the scum is, imma go back to the Medical Mafia i played on MS and see how the actions went down to find scum.
Looking over Medical Mafia on MS it seems the original plan was to target whoever was below then it got somehow changed
This will break it up into 2 circles, since beeboy's scumreading CTh he shouldnt have any issues having the chance of getting him killed.
Drezi > Navizel
beeboy > CTh
CTh > Sonatora
Navizel > Sakura
Sakura > Drezi
Sonatora > beeboy
beeboy > CTh
CTh > Sonatora
Navizel > Sakura
Sakura > Drezi
Sonatora > beeboy
This will break it up into 2 circles, since beeboy's scumreading CTh he shouldnt have any issues having the chance of getting him killed.
Or is Navizel, well i scumread him too but i know so far that im not a killer so w/e.
Anyway, Please let me know if you like it like this or if there's any changes you want to make to the targetting.
Anyway, Please let me know if you like it like this or if there's any changes you want to make to the targetting.
Why hope I can randomly kill CTh when I can just lynch him
If we mislynch and take 3 deaths it's game over, it's up to everyone in the end.
I do want everyone to make clear who they are targetting regardless so if they die we know who they were targetting.
everyone claimed targets so weak doctor is potentially already dead
We also learn if it was a mislynch during the d so we can replan to avoid having 3x deaths
This is false, butbeeboy123 wrote:
We can't take 3 deaths though it is 2 at max
Scenario where we get 3 deaths as shows. I killed off doctor for the purpose of this scenario.
2 of the deaths we had (Both the Lynch and Mislynch) are on the 3/6 non lethal roles which is already very low
After that we all need to target perfectly without any of the lethal doctors or scum being jailed (which is 4/5 roles) which we can also predict. On top of the fact we can change our plans in the twilight phase.
Killing of doctor also assumes that non of the lethal roles have no been lynched.
god I really should have read these posts over before posting them ;-;
2 doctors are dead, Nurse inherited the first one's, the other one targeted CBot so they have a killing ability, so weak doctor is still alive.
Nurse got the power of a mod killed doctor so it is more likely to be a safe doctor than a lethal one
Why?beeboy123 wrote:
Nurse got the power of a mod killed doctor so it is more likely to be a safe doctor than a lethal one
Wait this makes no sensebeeboy123 wrote:
Nurse got the power of a mod killed doctor so it is more likely to be a safe doctor than a lethal one