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LuckyStrike_old_1

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years the level Cookiezi was at the end of last year will still be unmatched simply because I doubt rrtyui will be playing for much longer [hes bored of no competition] and it's hard to get the level of aim those 2 have since only big circle maps get ranked nowadays and thats probably not going to change?

Buuut who knows a lot can happen in 10 years, many can rise and fall, and I like to think Osu will still be around because of the community nature of it, not just some disposable way for some company to jew people with cash shop based free gameplay until it's not profitable then pulling the plug. It's also kind of 'timeless'.
Wha... i don't even...

Are you high? Who doesn't allow you to change circle size? It doesn't take very long time to change them via editor (although i wrote a program for myself for instant changing it). Also circle size doesn't really matter. You probably don't even know what reading is (and don't say like you do. I'm sure you are from those people who think "OH GOD AR 10 DAMN SO FAST PEOPLE WHO CAN READ IT ARE GODS", although AR10 makes everything easier. For example i'm sure there would be much more FCs at dragonforce maps if they were AR9, and freedom dive if it was AR10, at least i could pass it on AR10, but i can't on AR9).

Also rrtyui started to play when circles were big and yet he has the best aim atm.
TheVileOne
Noone is stopping anyone from using smaller circles. Older maps weren't even difficult by today's standards. I don't know where this whole circle size issue became a problem. Today's maps are more difficult than older (ranked/approved) maps.
jasian
If you wanna be Cookiezi you're going to need to dedicate your life for the next few years to even get close to him. To build the muscle memory, reading, timing, stamina and speed to match Cookiezi isn't going to be easy.


Here's a rundown of how dominant he was before he was banned as shown by Osutp.net (November 2013):
(His scores on that page) (Cumulative total)
page 1 34 34/50
page 2 21 55/100
page 3 24 79/150
page 4 27 106/200
page 5 14 120/250
page 6 14 134/300
page 7 10 144/350
page 8 17 161/400
page 9 14 175/450
page 10 12 187/500


As you can see here Cookiezi owned more than two thirds (68%) of the top 50 scores ever in Osu! at that time. In the top 500 scores he owned 187 of 500, or 37.4%. When you're able to own two thirds of the best ever scores you know that you cannot be matched. Rrtyui is amazing, but not even on Cookiezi's level. This isn't fanboying, this is straight up facts.

I like your determination, but I think you underestimate just how hard Cookiezi dominated Osu!
Vuelo Eluko

LuckyStrike wrote:

Wha... i don't even...

Are you high? Who doesn't allow you to change circle size? It doesn't take very long time to change them via editor (although i wrote a program for myself for instant changing it). Also circle size doesn't really matter. You probably don't even know what reading is (and don't say like you do. I'm sure you are from those people who think "OH GOD AR 10 DAMN SO FAST PEOPLE WHO CAN READ IT ARE GODS", although AR10 makes everything easier. For example i'm sure there would be much more FCs at dragonforce maps if they were AR9, and freedom dive if it was AR10, at least i could pass it on AR10, but i can't on AR9).

Also rrtyui started to play when circles were big and yet he has the best aim atm.
i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
LuckyStrike_old_1

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
Sure I can't read, and nobody else can, if we talk about FD/dragonforce maps. And if we talk about me, my best run on FD was about 88% accuracy until the spaced streams at the end, and 95% with autopilot.

Also i never starred at approach circles, don't give me advices, pls. The main thing is amount of elements on the screen. The more elements = the harder to read, that's all.

And i know about my bad reading, that's why the whole last month i've been playing usually 140-160BPM maps with AR7 (mostly warm-up), 170-190 with AR8 (dt sometimes) and 190-220 maps with AR9. Ofcourse not easy maps. They're full of 1/2 jumps, since i wrote a program for it (before it i was playing that guitar vs piano by Aqo).
Vuelo Eluko

LuckyStrike wrote:

95% with autopilot. .
you can taiko with 2 buttons and no color coded notes
thats pretty impressive.
LuckyStrike_old_1

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

LuckyStrike wrote:

95% with autopilot. .
you can taiko with 2 buttons and no color coded notes
thats pretty impressive.
Taiko? what are you talking about? If you mean i used two hands, then you are wrong. I don't even know if you're serious about it. There are much people who can stream 4D, but not FC'd it yet because it's hard to read.
Vuelo Eluko
Taiko is the game mode where you use the keyboard to hit notes that approach. If you start up Osu! and go to Play > Solo you can select it from the list of modes at the bottom.
TheVileOne
Please lets not turn this into a flame war about who can read what map.

Also may I add the differences in each of your ranks. Know your place in the skill chain.
Vuelo Eluko

TheVileOne wrote:

Please lets not turn this into a flame war about who can read what map.

Also may I add the differences in each of your ranks. Know your place in the skill chain.
What does rank have to do with this?
Coffee Hero

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
I highly doubt you can even play AR9 well and AR 10 at all.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz
Please friends T.T
No fighting
Vuelo Eluko

Shirokami- wrote:

I highly doubt you can even play AR9 well and AR 10 at all.
i can't play well in general but i can play both of those.
why's everyone assuming ar10 is unplayable for me? Did they all take years to learn it? Did you 2 spend years farming easy/normals in ppv1?
thanks for giving me another excuse to grab an extra post count
usa
good luck.
highly ignorant and unrealistic goal, but whatever.

just hope you'll eventually realize there is a difference between tackling a massive mountain all at once and tackling small steps to get you up the mountain.
also, just because you try, doesn't mean you'll succeed or that it'll get you anywhere.
same thing with "believing" that you'll succeed.
you are born with a certain maximum capacity and physical limit, just don't be upset if it's not what you "believed" it to be.

there is an insane amount of technicality in osu!, and you'll start to understand it as you get better at the game.
at that time, you'll realize why all the top ranking people who have been playing as much and hard as (if not harder than) cokezi couldn't beat him.

most people hit their try hard breaking point in 1-2 years, so good luck keeping this up beyond that.
NinjaNick
It's gonna be hard, good luck, your going to need it.
El Koko
you're all so annoying and demoralising let the dude play

I don't believe he's actually taking into account what most of you are saying anyway; he has the determination to do it and most important of all, he wants to have fun doing it.

Do your best boy, I believe it's going to be entertaining to see your progress. Not wishing you luck, this game isn't about luck.
mcdoomfrag

Woobowiz wrote:

I'm not quite sure how long it will take me to reach that level, in terms of just clearing those songs,I'd give it by the end of summer? (You can laugh if you want)

I'm gonna work on AR, then Streams, then I'll step into faster songs. After I get comfortable with AR 9 and OD 8/9, then I'll work on FCing Talent Shredder
I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).

If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

mcdoomfrag wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

I'm not quite sure how long it will take me to reach that level, in terms of just clearing those songs,I'd give it by the end of summer? (You can laugh if you want)

I'm gonna work on AR, then Streams, then I'll step into faster songs. After I get comfortable with AR 9 and OD 8/9, then I'll work on FCing Talent Shredder
I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).

If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.

I'll take a look at those 2 tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion!

EDIT: Also, Nonon is best La Kill
TheVileOne
Please leave personal conflict outside of this thread.
XGeneral2000
I think a lot of the, eh...lack of faith in this thread is not because people don't think you can do it, but because they think you won't.

This is gonna be kind of a long post. I rant a little. Ok, a lot.

This isn't the first time I've seen something like this over all of the various communities that I've been a part of. A newcomer appears and they make big claims - they'll be #1 in a year, they'll win the next big tournament, etc. They've got it all planned out - the schedule, the logistics, the equipment, everything. Maybe they've even got promise, talent even. They stir up a lot of hype and attention - both positive and negative, as you've seen here.

Six months later, they're gone. No one even remembers. Every time.

If you don't want to read the rest of this post and just want me to get to the point, skip the entire next section separated by bold dashed lines.

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Let me tell you a story, to help explain.

I'm currently a graduate student at a fairly difficult engineering college, and I was an active member of a fraternity during my undergraduate career. There's a lot that goes on during the recruitment and pledge processes to decide who initiates into a full member and who doesn't, but we have one hard requirement - a minimum of a 2.7 GPA during the pledge semester. Without that, even if they're the greatest guy on the planet, we can't let them initiate.

The ones that don't make that 2.7 GPA are typically given another chance as a pledge, but they're required to show us how they plan to boost their grades first. They usually make elaborate schedules and plans - study hours, tutoring hours, weekly meetings with their professors, the works. It all sounds great on paper.

Over the four years as an active undergraduate member, I saw maybe 20 of these "holdover pledges" - people that wanted to stay, but didn't make the 2.7 GPA cutoff the first time. All of them made a plan like the one I mentioned above. All of them were really excited about it, pumped up. And so were we, because these were good people we wanted to initiate.

Of those 20, exactly 1 ever made it to full initiation. One. The rest were, as they say, "tears in rain".

Why?

Have you ever made New Year's resolutions?

Lots of people make them. The stereotypical one is to "lose weight", but there are others - find a job, get good grades, quit smoking. They might even plan it out. An exercise and diet plan, with monthly goals to "lose X pounds". Or maybe they have their resume to go, and they're going to try and "land X interviews" per month.

But they lose interest. They lose the drive as the moment fades. They start "forgetting" to go to the gym. They put off writing the job application until tomorrow. They decide they can miss just one homework assignment, because there's a lot more and one's not so important. They figure one cigarette every once in a while can't be so bad, because hey, they've been clean for 2 weeks already. And within a couple months, I'd say most people have quit altogether.

And then you can probably guess what they do next year, at New Year's.

So why?

In the end, it's really simple. Words are cheap. Inspiration fades. Following the plan is hard, and deviating is easy. And no one but you is there to keep you on track. No one cares but you. As soon as you stop caring, the whole thing is as good as dead.

And it's hard to keep a habit. Because in the end, that's what you're really trying to do - form a habit. It's not as simple as checking a box, or unlocking an achievement in a game. Your goals are long-term, and even once you've hit them, you can't just go back to what you were before. You need to maintain that, and that means you need to keep working for as long as your goal matters to you, even after you've reached it.

But quitting is that simple. As soon as you've skipped the first homework assignment or smoked the first cigarette, it's all over. You'll fall all the way back down to the bottom, a lot faster than you came up. Gravity's a tough mistress.

Granted, osu!'s not the same thing as dieting or kicking an addiction. But the idea that it's "long-term" is the same. You've got the motivation now. You've got drive, passion, a vision. You can see the peak of the mountain. But what about next week? Next month? Next year? What happens when you graduate and suddenly you have to start worrying about the future? Or maybe something happens in another hobby of yours (assuming you have more than osu! in life) and you suddenly want to devote more time to it?

Even if we keep it strictly in context of osu!, what about walls? What happens when you play for 3 months and you don't get better? What happens when you find you can't reproduce plays you did last year? I could totally play that one song with HR last week - and now I can't! What? I practiced all that time and I somehow got worse? It's easy to think of time in 6-month or 1-year chunks now, and figure you'll get better on average, but it's way different to experience that frustration in the middle, and start wondering if you're hitting a ceiling, or just doing something plain wrong.

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I'm really rambling now, so I'm going to wrap this up by going back to what I said earlier. Words are cheap. Really cheap. Cookiezi never claimed he was going to be #1 in a year when he was still unknown, to my knowledge. Neither did rrtyui. Neither did anyone I can think of, either in this community or that of any other hobby. They did their work silently. They didn't say what they were going to do, and how there were going to do it. They didn't follow someone else's 12-step program to do it. They just did.

And look, I don't know who you are - I get that. I know nothing about you, or your life, or your character. Maybe you really do the stuff you say you'll do, even if it's 5 years out. Maybe your determination will carry you through to the end. Remember, even if only one out of those 20 people got to initiation, there was still one. Maybe you're that guy. I don't know. I'm just speaking from experience here. Statistics. And I don't want you to waste your time doing things that won't help. I don't want you to bitterly quit 6 months from now just because you weren't where you said you'd be. I know the joke around here is that osu! is an addiction and we all secretly wish we could quit, but I would rather you still be playing next year, and having just as much fun as you are now, no matter how good or bad you are.

So that's my advice to you. Can you beat Cookiezi? Of course you can. Cookiezi is just clicking circles. Everyone here is. There's no thermodynamic law of the universe preventing you from clicking circles. Don't sit at the drawing board all day theorizing. Don't tell us you can do it. Just go do it. Your rank will speak for itself.
Dexus

usa wrote:

most people hit their try hard breaking point in 1-2 years, so good luck keeping this up beyond that.
That's just you giving up, don't drag people down with you just because you got stagnant and don't know where or how to improve your own skills. There is no limited capacity to this game, it's just a point where you either break and give up or you keep trying harder.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

XGeneral2000 wrote:

My advice to you is to do the same. Can you beat Cookiezi? Of course you can. Cookiezi is just clicking circles. Everyone here is. There's no thermodynamic law of the universe preventing you from clicking circles. Don't sit at the drawing board all day theorizing. Don't tell us you can do it. Just go do it. Your rank will speak for itself.

While I understand what you're getting at, I'm not exactly doing this for myself. Granted, it's great people are supportive and critical of my goal, but the point was to do exactly as you stated; a lot of people are capable of reaching Cookiezi in time. It's just that I don't like it when people look at #1 and say "Well, I guess there's no point in trying to reach the top anymore".

I'll share my own story before Osu! if you would care to read. You don't have to though.

I've always seen the scenario I described above and in your post many times I any game with a leader board. I'm always out there to prove others wrong that it's possible to be one of the best if you just believe in yourself and train hard.

I've proven this plenty, the biggest of them being Starcraft 2 and League of Legends. I even played another music game called "Feel the Beats" and it basically played like Osu!Mania. I hit Top 100 on the leaderboards on Feel the Beats (rank 97 before I quit) and I could have probably gone higher, but by then the message was received by those that were skeptical. For Starcraft 2, it was the same, I told others I'd hit Master league (this was before Grandmaster was a thing) and told them they could too, but the feedback was different. After hitting Master league, the skeptics stayed skeptical and would rather sit there arguing reasons I did what I did instead of going out and improving for themselves. I quit Starcraft 2 promptly after that because the community didn't believe hard enough. For League of Legends, I did not speak a word to others that they were capable of hitting Diamond League because their community was much like Starcraft 2's. I just wanted to have fun at that point, but occasionally I would spurt those ambitious words out to my friends and well....I was ridiculed just the same, so I proved them wrong and hit Diamond League (I will continue to climb the ladder in LoL eventually).

Consider this then a pinnacle of my efforts to battle against pessimism and low self-esteem, because I promise you, I won't leave (you probably heard that too) until I reach a level most people would appreciate. I don't know exactly how long it will take, but I don't want to be grouped with failures (sorry if that's offensive to anyone).

BUT this is only reaching out to those that want to be the best they can. I understand a lot of people play for fun and don't stomach the competitive aspects of games well, and that's completely understandable too.
Vuelo Eluko
Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you could survive the odds beating you.

there's been hundreds of would-be cookiezi threads and noone has actually accomplished it. so you shouldn't be surprised at the discouraging attitudes from people who have good reason for it. History repeats.

Are you different? Only time will tell. Overwhelming statistics say no.
PLAYER WITH RSI
y0l0
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you could survive the odds beating you.

there's been hundreds of would-be cookiezi threads and noone has actually accomplished it. so you shouldn't be surprised at the discouraging attitudes from people who have good reason for it. History repeats.

Are you different? Only time will tell. Overwhelming statistics say no.
As of now, my PP and ranking doesn't really say much about where I am. So I wish to base it off achievements and my success. Eventually my PP will align, but as I see it, I seem to be improving faster than my Ranking can measure.
TheVileOne
The people near the top of the ranks would have already reach cookiezi's level if it were as simple to reach his level. You could get close with enough effort, but even you have not become the number 1 player of any game yet. It's just a matter of how much you work at it, and be aware that cookiezi has doubletime FC'd maps that literally noone else has doubletimed before. cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax.

Number 1 in this game is pretty much putting you above several million players, and the number of the people who can played near your level is a single digit number.

I'm not trying to discourage you. rrty needs company anyways. I just hope you realize just how much more skillful he was compared to any other player, even rrty our current leader.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

TheVileOne wrote:

The people near the top of the ranks would have already reach cookiezi's level if it were as simple to reach his level. You could get close with enough effort, but even you have not become the number 1 player of any game yet. It's just a matter of how much you work at it, and be aware that cookiezi has doubletime FC'd maps that literally noone else has double timed before. cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax.
I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?

Again, my goal is not Rank 1, that will take a good portion of time to get high scores on many songs. When you say "cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax" then I take that as another item to add to my quest. As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
Vuelo Eluko

Woobowiz wrote:

I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?

Again, my goal is not Rank 1, that will take a good portion of time to get high scores on many songs. When you say "cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax" then I take that as another item to add to my quest. As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
they can't just will themselves to cookiezi's level it's not as simple as you think it's going to be. And anyway i wouldn't believe that bit about deltamax there's at least people in the tens/one hundred rank who can pass it [of course not nearly as convincingly as he did with 95% and single digit misses]. maybe im wrong though and you're thinking of a different map becuase im pretty sure he played more than one.

go for it
Saint_old
gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Saint wrote:

gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
....I'm South Korean :?
Vuelo Eluko

Saint wrote:

gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
thats messed
Luna

Woobowiz wrote:

I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?
Trust me, rrtyui tries his hardest to get the best scores he can. Look at his top played maps, thousands of retries on single maps just to push the limits of his skills. And now to put Cookiezi's skill into perspective (since you weren't around when he played) - those crazy scores rrtyui took hundreds or even thousands of plays to achieve were easily beaten by Cookiezi with just a few retries. Every time he played, he'd set ridiculous #1 scores. He HDHR FC'd Dragonforce Legend maps in literally 10 tries in his prime (I was there and spectated it live).
Vuelo Eluko
im quite sad that I only got to experience a little bit of cookie before he left.
Saint_old

Woobowiz wrote:

Saint wrote:

gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
....I'm South Korean :?
yea i thought youd say something like that

america i guess
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Saint wrote:

yea i thought youd say something like that

america i guess
I mean, granted I was born in L.A. and lived in the US all my life......'murrica
Breiz

Woobowiz wrote:

I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?
is this real
XGeneral2000

Woobowiz wrote:

While I understand what you're getting at, I'm not exactly doing this for myself. Granted, it's great people are supportive and critical of my goal, but the point was to do exactly as you stated; a lot of people are capable of reaching Cookiezi in time. It's just that I don't like it when people look at #1 and say "Well, I guess there's no point in trying to reach the top anymore".
Believe it or not, I'm actually an optimist at heart. I feel the same way you do regarding pessimism. I hate it when people write themselves off as failures before they've even had a chance to see what they can do. But even more, I hate it when people act like they've already finished before they've even started. It's pretty insulting to be told that "anyone can do what you do," especially if you've put a lot of time into mastering a skill. I'm not saying you're like that, of course - based on what you've said, it sounds more like confidence from past success rather than arrogance from ignorance. But you can see where I'm coming from.

The big point of what I was saying (which I think you understood) is that everything is possible, but it all takes time, and basically everyone I've ever met (maybe not you, based on your past experience) found out later that the time and sacrifice it took was way higher than they anticipated. Eventually, it became clear to them that it was simply not worth it for them, and that other things were more important. That's fine, but it's also disappointing, especially when I consider that the time they spent was essentially wasted, and that they would likely repeat the cycle in other ventures.

In the end, it wasn't that the dream was impossible. It was just that the person dreaming wasn't a person who could realize them. Maybe they comprehended the dream itself, and understood what it would take, but they failed to correctly evaluate themselves.

From what you've told me about your previous gaming experiences, it sounds like you've got a leg up on most people I know. If you feel like you can do this, that you really know yourself and what you - not generic "anyone" - can do, then go for it. I don't mean that sarcastically, or the way people talk to children. I mean that sincerely, because I'm tired of people never living up to words spoken in the heat of the moment, and it would make me very happy indeed if you broke the trend.

(Btw, unrelated, but I'm also South Korean lol)
mcdoomfrag

Woobowiz wrote:

As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
Where did you get that impression? As some have already pointed out, cookiezi in his prime was undoubtedly the best player at the time. We aren't talking about being Grandmaster at Starcraft, or Challenger at League of Legends (If you wanted that, you should have aimed for top 50), but being the best and crushing all competition while your'e at it. That's why people take to offense why you roll right in claiming to become the next Cookiezi.
xasuma
spending this much time in the forums sure isn't going to help you become cookiezi-tier, Kappa .

:idea:
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

mcdoomfrag wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
Where did you get that impression? As some have already pointed out, cookiezi in his prime was undoubtedly the best player at the time. We aren't talking about being Grandmaster at Starcraft, or Challenger at League of Legends (If you wanted that, you should have aimed for top 50), but being the best and crushing all competition while your'e at it. That's why people take to offense why you roll right in claiming to become the next Cookiezi.
First comes those that take offense.
It would make me so happy to turn that offense into acceptance or better yet, inspiration. So I just HAVE to try my best and give it 100%
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

xasuma wrote:

spending this much time in the forums sure isn't going to help you become cookiezi-tier, Kappa .

:idea:
Typing out a research paper right now, no time to play, the semester's almost over and Summer will start in 1-2 weeks. Summer is where the real stuff begins.
usa

Dexus wrote:

usa wrote:

most people hit their try hard breaking point in 1-2 years, so good luck keeping this up beyond that.
That's just you giving up, don't drag people down with you just because you got stagnant and don't know where or how to improve your own skills. There is no limited capacity to this game, it's just a point where you either break and give up or you keep trying harder.
wtf are you saying?
if people could keep growing muscles, keep running faster then why the hell are there people taking steroids in the top scene of any sport?
humans have physical limits, a limit to how bulky they can get, and limit to how fast they can run, a limit to how fast one can react, and so on.
same thing with osu! there's going to be a limit to your speed, stamina, aim.
and it's going to become more apparent as you get closer to it as you'll be barely progressing or it'll take hours on end everyday just to maintain your skill level.
thinking that you can work your limits away is incredibly naive, and puts you at a risk of overexerting/hurting yourself.
cokezi having eye problems, people developing RSI... yea..

also, it's a bloody video game, not your job or life.
to put in that much work and stress into a game to the extent where it becomes questionable whether you are having fun is plain stupid.
save that army mentality for something that's actually worth it.
brendanuhs
You won't be able to and even if you do, you'll probably get banned.
hinamizawan
Why even reach Cookiezi tier, you would feel like a god among men while on your greatest time of your gaming life but then you'd get annoyed at the massive attention you've receiving thus getting bored of the game because it's easy.
tokaku
I always feel sad whenever I see people talking about when they started doing insanes. It took me 6-7 months to do my first one (Black Rebel on insane) I know everyone learns at their own pace but it just makes me feel bad.

Good luck on getting to cookiezi level!
GoldenWolf

usa wrote:

wtf are you saying?
if people could keep growing muscles, keep running faster then why the hell are there people taking steroids in the top scene of any sport?
They do that because they don't want to put the effort to get even better, not because they can't
astelios
piruchan
Leave this thread for sleep and all of a sudden new 5 pages arrive.

I'm not telling you to stop or anything, but as a short term goal, why don't aim for #1 spot on your country (USA)? I'm pretty sure it's hard to climb the US ranking ladder (and most other countries as well, unless there's only 1 player).
usa

GoldenWolf wrote:

usa wrote:

wtf are you saying?
if people could keep growing muscles, keep running faster then why the hell are there people taking steroids in the top scene of any sport?
They do that because they don't want to put the effort to get even better, not because they can't
umm.. no?
if it's the average guy on the street who wants to get ripped fast then yeah.
but a professional athlete who must have had to work his ass to off to get the skills to get the professional level?
unless you mean to tell me that to even become a major league baseball player, or an olympic runner requires no hard work at all.
or that once they get to the professional scene, they just get lazy and stop working hard with thousands of competitors raining down their throats.
or that somehow you think that you can just take steroids and sit on your ass all day, and it'll magically make you stronger and faster.
or that steroid is completely harmless and undetectable, and that you can take it everyday for the rest of your life.

these guys work hard to get to where they are.
but there is a thing called GENETICS which determines individual capacity, and they're not so naive to ignore it.
if you can work away your limits, why is Uan not #1?
surely there are people who have worked and played harder than cokeizi, but how come they are not even close to cokezi?
I doubt they are so ignorant of their weaknesses and have not worked on them if they were competing against cokezi.
Pacemaker
Despite all the things you've said, it still feels to me like you're taking this whole thing a little too lightly. To me personally your whole approach looks wrong, and that's just looking at the kind of maps you're playing - You're playing modern maps where you'll have ar9 Insanes on 150 BPM

See, the new generation of players, even when they're good enough to DT insanes and pass all those crazy shitmaps, sooner or later have to realize that there's more to being a Cookiezi than just being fast and having good aim, usually by the time they try something like this and fail 10 seconds after the first break because they don't know what the fuck to look at.

My advice? Focus on learning to read low ar instead of going for a pass on some crappy ar10 insane, by playing old maps for example.
GoldenWolf
I said EVEN better, aka they gave up on putting even more effort than they already did, so they take unfair shorcut

You can always work your limit, depends if you're willing to and don't mind it being awfully slow when you reach a really high level
Vuelo Eluko

Pacemaker wrote:

Despite all the things you've said, it still feels to me like you're taking this whole thing a little too lightly. To me personally your whole approach looks wrong, and that's just looking at the kind of maps you're playing - You're playing modern maps where you'll have ar9 Insanes on 150 BPM

See, the new generation of players, even when they're good enough to DT insanes and pass all those crazy shitmaps, sooner or later have to realize that there's more to being a Cookiezi than just being fast and having good aim, usually by the time they try something like this and fail 10 seconds after the first break because they don't know what the fuck to look at.

My advice? Focus on learning to read low ar instead of going for a pass on some crappy ar10 insane, by playing old maps for example.
that map is crazy hard. Last time I was watching happystick he couldn't get through it.

And also, usa, genetics are a limitation in professional sports for sure, I mean, how many olympic level asian power lifters do you see? I have seen one, and that was god damned inspirational given their physiology is probably the least capable of 'bulking up' of all the races. But I think as far as osu goes, I doubt anyone has reached their 'true' limit yet. I mean it's not even 10 years old yet. Some of the best tattoo artists spent decades honing that skill for example. So maybe the real limit for osu that the average person has is much higher than the level cookiezi was at.

Or maybe i'm vastly overestimating the skill ceiling of this game, or underestimating how fast people can 'cap out'
Rinku
The people saying he can't do it are disgusting :/ I guess it really is in the human nature to put down others and try to succeed yourself. To the people that are insulted by this noob trying to be Cookiezi, I am insulted by you not encouraging the next generation of players which theoretically could have higher potential.
Rewben2

-Rinku- wrote:

The people saying he can't do it are disgusting :/ I guess it really is in the human nature to put down others and try to succeed yourself. To the people that are insulted by this noob trying to be Cookiezi, I am insulted by you not encouraging the next generation of players which theoretically could have higher potential.
People aren't saying it's impossible. They are saying it's extremely difficult and an unrealistic goal that will very likely not be achieved. Cookiezi is better than everyone else by a long shot, enough to make him widely regarded as unrivalled. There are tons of people who have been playing this game hours a day for years and are still not close to being his level, why are we supposed the think that some random rank 60k is the next best thing? It's not impossible, but look at the odds.
Varetyr

-Rinku- wrote:

The people saying he can't do it are disgusting :/ I guess it really is in the human nature to put down others and try to succeed yourself. To the people that are insulted by this noob trying to be Cookiezi, I am insulted by you not encouraging the next generation of players which theoretically could have higher potential.
rational*

And yeah Rewben2 pretty much summed up my thoughts.

But uh, good luck with that I guess
Rinku

Rewben2 wrote:

People aren't saying it's impossible. They are saying it's extremely difficult and an unrealistic goal that will very likely not be achieved. Cookiezi is better than everyone else by a long shot, enough to make him widely regarded as unrivalled. There are tons of people who have been playing this game hours a day for years and are still not close to being his level, why are we supposed the think that some random rank 60k is the next best thing? It's not impossible, but look at the odds.
I am not saying to think that some 60k is the next best thing. The thing is whether its unrealistic or not, you don't know for if that's true. I do think even if the odds were in his favor it will still take a lot longer for him to achieve than he thinks, but that doesn't mean its impossible. (if he ever gets close at all)

Some people in life want to experience all that life has to offer. That is an unrealistic goal, however don't you think you'd make it farther and achieve more with having that mindset? Me and my friends talk all the time about how we are getting triple digit ranks for sure and are going fight over being top in our country's, not because we are sarcastic but because we truly believe attempting to do so will get us the farthest on our journey.

I'm not usually an optimist (more of a realist) but when you can't determine the exact odds, you can no longer be a realist. Choosing to be optimistic over a pessimist seems to be the best way to go.
Luna
I'm pretty sure most people aren't considering his ultimate goal (close to Cookiezi's skill) completely impossible, they are just annoyed by his claims that it'll take maybe a year of hard work to get to that level. By saying that, he is essentially telling everyone who has spent hours upon hours each day for the last several years that they just didn't try hard enough. Confidence is fine, but at least stay within reasonable limits.
Liiraye

Woobowiz wrote:

TheVileOne wrote:

The people near the top of the ranks would have already reach cookiezi's level if it were as simple to reach his level. You could get close with enough effort, but even you have not become the number 1 player of any game yet. It's just a matter of how much you work at it, and be aware that cookiezi has doubletime FC'd maps that literally noone else has double timed before. cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax.
I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?

Again, my goal is not Rank 1, that will take a good portion of time to get high scores on many songs. When you say "cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax" then I take that as another item to add to my quest. As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.

Well before he quit he was more than 1000pp ahead of #2. He was pretty much undefeated when he was active the last few years. The only time people actually gave a fuck to try and get #1 was when he was banned or retired. \:v/
Just saying...
f i z i k

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

So maybe the real limit for osu that the average person has is much higher than the level cookiezi was at.

Or maybe i'm vastly overestimating the skill ceiling of this game, or underestimating how fast people can 'cap out'
You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!
GoldenWolf
And google will tell you it depends for each person and no scientific researches has been done about how fast you can move your finger for a circle-clicking game
Liiraye

f i z i k wrote:

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

So maybe the real limit for osu that the average person has is much higher than the level cookiezi was at.

Or maybe i'm vastly overestimating the skill ceiling of this game, or underestimating how fast people can 'cap out'
You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!

Sorry but that's complete BS and you know it. People say they've reached their limit when they have like 10k plays. Most people improve at osu when they have 3-5 times that amount, and some gradually get faster all the.time. Look at lewas last spurt before he went emo. WWWs great improvement after cookie got banned etc
Yauxo

Liiraye wrote:

Sorry but that's complete BS and you know it. People say they've reached their limit when they have like 10k plays. Most people improve at osu when they have 3-5 times that amount, and some gradually get faster all the.time. Look at lewas last spurt before he went emo. WWWs great improvement after cookie got banned etc
Can second.
I felt like I've reached my limit when I was at ~15k; Unable to read AR10 "wtf this is way too fast, Iam the tired type - I wont ever be able to read this", couldnt stream well "how the hell am >I< supposed to tap that fast? My right hand can never do this" etc.
Towards 25k, I've improved a lot. Ar10 is fine now, streams (still) get better from day to day and the snapping feels maxed, but probably isnt.
You can always improve if someone else is better than you (not taking medical conditions in aspect), so dont just tell yourself that youre "at your limit". Take more time to train and maybe you'll notice huge changes to your playstyle
If only I could tell this to me if it comes to school and sport ...
Sophia_old_1
Warning, long post ahead.

I hope you understand that most of the problem could have been lightly avoided if you said you wanted to be "pro". If you wanted to be "top 100" tier or something.

Cookiezi-tier however. That puts you at a tier that only has one other person with you. It's not just a tier, it's the tier. And to get to that tier you have to burst through several other tiers. Through several other thousands of players.

Osu! is, when you look at it, a circle-clicking game. It requires things like Stamina, Reaction Speed, Memorization, et cetera. Some people have more, some people have less. Can you improve?

Yes. You obviously can improve. You can raise your stamina and raise your speed, accuracy, and all that religious mumbo jumbo people appear to be so fond of talking about in the osu! community. I believe, however, that there's people with talent, and people without talent.

You can say that a person with talent will easily pass any hard-working commoner. If a person who has talent inputs the same amount of work that a person without talent has, the person with talent will come out on top. There's nothing absurd about that. And you can say that Cookiezi had "talent", as far as that goes for a game. (The Reaction Speed or Memorization needed for osu! isn't something to be frowned upon, sadly.) Do you have "talent"?

If you do, then you have to consider how much time did Cookiezi spend playing this game to achieve his point? If you're not working harder than cookiezi was, you are not going to get to the same place in a shorter amount of time, unless you assume you're more "talented" than he is. Given, this is only in an utopian world where everyone else's skill level has fallen back to what it was when cookiezi started, and thus assuming that you're gonna be climbing the ranks in a community that isn't the community of today, but when Cookiezi was ranked.

Cookiezi was first for quite a while, from what I grasp, and he was playing a few years. Right now, the people who were top back then have had much more time to train. Sure, Cookiezi was still a far shot ahead from most of them (You can see that in his replays - God bless youtube, by the way.), but they've also improved.

You -do- understand that what you say when you're saying that you will achieve "Cookiezi" tier means that you're trying to get to the level of a player who was pretty much undisputed rank number 1 for an absurd amount of time and had scores back then that aren't achieved by players today even after they've continued training after Cookiezi left?

Casting aside the thought of "talent" you still have to consider a learning experience curve. You're playing, and a few other thousands of players are playing at the same time. Some are better than you, some are worse. Or maybe you're the best, who knows. The question is, can you improve faster than these players? The top players who were still top back then, are still playing and haven't reached "Cookiezi-tier" yet? Is your learning curve just so much more advanced than others that you honestly believe you are going to achieve Cookiezi-tier in a year when players who have consistently been at the top for much longer than you have, have played for much longer than you have, haven't done that yet?

I'm not saying you won't get Cookiezi level. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. You have to understand however that there are human limitations to how fast one can be when compared to another. A person can be faster than you. Why? Just because he is. With the same amount of training. Even if you train more, maybe he'll just be faster anyway because you can't push yourself past your limits. Assuming your limits are unbound and "the sky's the limit", then you have to consider all the other people who are playing at the same time that you are. Are you improving faster than they are? Because that's the only way you're gonna end up ahead in this scenario.

Surely, we do not have statistics that can really say how fast one can click, who has talent and who doesn't, your learning curve and all the like. But I believe we can all come to the conclusion that claiming you'll get Cookiezi-tier in a year is extremely arrogant and perhaps even disrespectful towards those that have been playing for much longer and still haven't gotten to that point. You're initiating a race where you're far, far behind the others, and you're claiming that you're gonna finish this race in a ridiculously small time, when the others have been in the race for a long time.

It's not a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic. It's just a matter of taking a deep breath, looking at where you want to go, look at the skill of others, compare it to your own, and try to determine the time it will take for you to reach the end. And one year... one year is an ambitious goal.

If you've taken the time to read all of this, then you probably wasted some of the time you could and probably should have spent training. If you're still reading, then I wish you good luck in your endeavors none the less. But you appear to have the bad habit of being loud. Have you heard the saying "The dog that barks doesn't bite"? If I were to translate it to this thread a bit more coherently, I'd probably say: "You're all talk."

Please, don't be all talk. You don't need to be loud or let other people know what you're trying to achieve. If you're so confident you're going to do it, there's no need to say anything. We're going to notice you when you get to the top of the mountain. But if you talk so much and then can't manage it, then I hope you understand if some people laugh as you drop to the bottom.

Regardless, I have nothing to do with this, and I find your thread interesting none the less. The posts on the thread quickly evolved into a discussion that is boring and slightly annoying, specially with the two pages in the middle with the two guys discussing about sight reading (Totally relevant, guys!).

Good luck, and stuff. As I've said in your Introduction Thread:

"Unattainable dreams are the best kind."
Rewben2
Although slightly off-topic, was Cookiezi ever considered not being the best past 2010 or so? He's been number 1 in the top 20 osu! players videos since 2010 (besides 2013 for obvious reasons) so I assume he was considered #1 back then, has there been a time since then when he was considered worse than someone else? I know WWW passed him in the performance charts, but ppv1 rank obviously didn't equal skill.
GoldenWolf

Rewben2 wrote:

Although slightly off-topic, was Cookiezi ever considered not being the best past 2010 or so? He's been number 1 in the top 20 osu! players videos since 2010 (besides 2013 for obvious reasons) so I assume he was considered #1 back then, has there been a time since then when he was considered worse than someone else? I know WWW passed him in the performance charts, but ppv1 rank obviously didn't equal skill.
I don't know the guy you're talking about but no
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

mcdoomfrag wrote:

I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).

If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.
Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
f i z i k

GoldenWolf wrote:

And google will tell you it depends for each person and no scientific researches has been done about how fast you can move your finger for a circle-clicking game
This isn't even only about osu,yeah? Maybe someone researched for playing piano or stuff,who knows. And this is not also limited to each individual person,there has to be a maximum that has been achieved for one person and for what it's worth we just assume it's that for now. I guess you can't calculate how fast you will be able to move your fingers but I am pretty sure that you can do good estimations of what your muscles/nerves will allow you to do.

Liiraye wrote:

f i z i k wrote:

You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!

Sorry but that's complete BS and you know it. People say they've reached their limit when they have like 10k plays. Most people improve at osu when they have 3-5 times that amount, and some gradually get faster all the.time. Look at lewas last spurt before he went emo. WWWs great improvement after cookie got banned etc

You didn't get my point,it's not about when you improve or what you believe your limit to be,there's a physical limit to this game. I think it was usa who made that usain bolt analogy and I think it was pretty good - there will never be a person to run 100metres in 8 seconds,and thus there will also never be a person to stream 700bpm,which I guess there won't be ever any songs for anyways lol. But yeah,700 won't be the physical cap for a human being but it's up for some research to find out what the cap will be,I won't dare to make false assumptions right now but it's obviously a lot lower than that
Soarezi

Woobowiz wrote:

Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that B
Vuelo Eluko

Soarezi wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that B
Immensely so.

such is the curse of low-drain maps. i know people my rank who can 'clear' airman but that doesn't mean they're even within 3 years of fcing it..
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Soarezi wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that B
While you are right, I am improving though and I think that's what's important right now.
nrl

-Rinku- wrote:

but when you can't determine the exact odds, you can no longer be a realist
Yes you can. Realistically, this player will not reach Cookiezi's level of skill. He probably won't even get close. That doesn't mean he shouldn't try, but there is absolutely no reason for him to delude himself into thinking that it's remotely likely.

Some helpful advice for the OP, stop worrying about your rank, and stop worrying about FCs. Just looking through your profile I see that two fifths of all of your plays come from your top five most played maps, and all five are hard diffs. Not post-insanes, not even insanes, hards. What's the point in training those maps so hard? In two months those FCs won't be contributing to your pp at all, and the benefit of those 2000 plays would be absolutely dwarfed by that of 2000 plays spread across a few hundred fresh maps of similar difficulty. To give you a sense of just how ridiculous those play counts are, rrtyui only has three maps with over 900 plays on them, and those are the Big Black, Freedom Dive, and his HDHRFL play of Vallista. There is absolutely no reason you should be spending that much time on any one map at your playcount. Rather, you should download every beatmap pack past 200, then run through the entire collection one map at a time, starting with the hardest diffs. If you can pass the diff in three retries, do so and move on to the next map in the collection. If you can't, move down a diff and try again, and if you've run out of diffs, move on.
Vuelo Eluko

Woobowiz wrote:

While you are right, I am improving though and I think that's what's important right now.
Keep at it. You might have the potential if you put the work in
don't expect cookiezi to happen before 100,000 playcount though.
Luna
Once you FC Wahrheit nomod, try it on DT. And then marvel at how Cookiezi FC'd that haha
Jordan
I've tried and failed, lesson is: Don't try

you're probably gonna get bored of the game before you can even be a quarter as good as him

Which will be in 2 or 3 years if you play osu! a lot
Vuelo Eluko

Luna wrote:

Once you FC Wahrheit nomod, try it on DT. And then marvel at how Cookiezi FC'd that haha
hey i saw him sweatin' on those tornado jumps
Dexus

usa wrote:

save that army mentality for something that's actually worth it.
Funny, I am in the military.

I guess it's just my mentality and lifestyle to keep pushing, even beyond my limits. From true personal experience this does work, your mind gives out before the body does.

side topic: Energy drinks / coffee = osu! steroids
nrl

Dexus wrote:

side topic: Energy drinks / coffee = osu! steroids
Hehe. I actually play much worse with caffeine. Makes me too jittery.
Novixion

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that B
Immensely so.

such is the curse of low-drain maps. i know people my rank who can 'clear' airman but that doesn't mean they're even within 3 years of fcing it..
When I got Wahrheit, I was like jump map! I'll go FC it.
Several hours later... "I give up" (1x miss is supreme)

Wait what, I can't even clear Airman...
Catgirl

Dexus wrote:

side topic: Energy drinks / coffee = osu! steroids
I don't like energy drinks of coffee personally. Strangely, I find that I play the best when I've been awake for more than 20 hours in a row. Passed some insane songs that I can't come anywhere close to passing when I'm wide awake.
Granger

Decon082 wrote:

Dexus wrote:

side topic: Energy drinks / coffee = osu! steroids
I don't like energy drinks of coffee personally. Strangely, I find that I play the best when I've been awake for more than 20 hours in a row. Passed some insane songs that I can't come anywhere close to passing when I'm wide awake.
My best guess would be that you act instictially as opposed to willingly (ie thinking about what you do) during this time because you're literally too tired to think.
The human mind and body is quite interresting in that regard~
smallfry

tokaku wrote:

I always feel sad whenever I see people talking about when they started doing insanes. It took me 6-7 months to do my first one (Black Rebel on insane) I know everyone learns at their own pace but it just makes me feel bad.

Good luck on getting to cookiezi level!

D: Aw don't feel sad.

anyways ontopic

yeah goodluck with your road to cookiezi tier it's gonna be extremely difficult.
theLiminator
If you're superbly talented, and I mean more talented than pretty much anyone, the top .0001%, you might reach his level at 80000 plays. Which if you estimate with 2 minutes per play (a fairly low number), is like 2666.6 hours. 2666/12 = 222 days. This is assuming you play 12 hours a day straight. Summer would be over by then. So unless you're playing more than 12 hours a day, it's actually physically impossible to reach his level by the end of summer. The estimates I gave you are assuming you're unbelievably talented and incredibly motivated.

Assuming a more normal level of talent, still much above average, I'd assume you'd need about 110000 plays with a song average length of 2.5 minutes. This would result in requiring 4583 hours to reach his level of skill. Let's say that you can play really hard for 8 hours a day, that would take 573 days of intense training. This is probably a much more realistic number, and even then, you'd have to be super disciplined to play this much everyday along with finishing school/work/etc.

So basically, maybe if you're 12 years old and you train 10+ hours a day for the next 8 years. At that point, you'll likely be as good as Cookiezi if not better.

If you're already mid 20's, it's unlikely you'll ever reach his level, as reflexes slow down, etc.

Within 15 days, my rank has changed massively, but even still I don't know if I'd even reach the top 200 (they're already immensely good, but it is something that's quite possible to achieve if you put in massive amounts of time).

Saying that you'd read cookiezi's level of skill within a year is just plain ignorant. It's like saying you'd become the best in the world at something with only 1 year of hard work. There are many people that are already at a godlike level of skill that can't reach his level of skill even though they've probably played single maps more than you have played osu.
dennischan
actually warheit is an easy map.
If you want a hard Saten map, you can try Kokou no Sousei, Senketsu no Chikai or the Creator (Nyaten diff)
-GN

dennischan wrote:

actually warheit is an easy map.
If you want a hard Saten map, you can try Kokou no Sousei, Senketsu no Chikai or the Creator (Nyaten diff)
but no one plays those with doubletime, really
shavit

dennischan wrote:

actually warheit is an easy map.
If you want a hard Saten map, you can try Kokou no Sousei, Senketsu no Chikai or the Creator (Nyaten diff)
He won't be able to do "no Chikai"/Nyaten for atleast the next month. Those two are super hard and with his progress he won't do then soon, I can barely do any of those and somehow I managed to finish Chikai with an A and Nyaten with B, after 500 retries (total) on Nyaten and a random play on Chikai. And I play for way longer than this guy.
Gigo
Woobowiz, you have to understand that at one point in Cookiezi's life, osu was everything. He did only 3 things every day - eat, sleep and play osu! I don't know how long that period was, but it was a massive commitment on his side. That's how you improve the most - by playing in long sessions, every day!

Summer vacation is coming, you will have a lot of free time. I wish you luck in your quest, although I am still 90% skeptical.
Karuta-_old_1
I think I have done enough reading here...

Play with me after you managed to FC lunatic difficulty ok?
nya10
I just want to remind you, there's much outside life (which is more fun) for you to have than just playing osu!
Goodluck for your quest on FC DT-ing wahrheit
iderekmc

Soarezi wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that B
if this is not true i will fc airman soon xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
WAVEDASH
Why is everyone hating on this guy so much? For the number of plays he has he's doing great.
DENKOUSEKKA
Keep it up, You're doing fine. Can't wait to see how skilled you'll be in the future :3
Kouya-
I still remember when you made your introduction, maan that wasn't to long ago and you wanted to become Cookiezi-Tier (God-Tier)

Good to see you reaching your goal one step at a time .

Hope to see you accomplish this one day (;
Vuelo Eluko

nya10 wrote:

I just want to remind you, there's much outside life (which is more fun) for you to have than just playing osu!
Goodluck for your quest on FC DT-ing wahrheit
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Liiraye

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

nya10 wrote:

I just want to remind you, there's much outside life (which is more fun) for you to have than just playing osu!
Goodluck for your quest on FC DT-ing wahrheit
opinion
If you're implying that playing osu beats every experience imaginable in life I have to laugh a bit.

Osu is a good passtime game when you're striving for your real goals in life.
Vuelo Eluko
not everything

but not 'much' of it like you said
iWhorse
you're going to be posting here literally forever

this is a great idea in concept, but progress is quick when you start out
the better you get you get progress extremely slow and you'll probably be doing the same thing week after week anyways

good luck either way
B1rd
People who are better than me make me depressed -_-. Oh well, competition makes me more motivated I guess.

Liiraye wrote:

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

opinion
If you're implying that playing osu beats every experience imaginable in life I have to laugh a bit.

Osu is a good passtime game when you're striving for your real goals in life.
If osu! is a 'passtime' for you then you're a casual.
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Woobowiz
Training is going well~!
Can almost convincingly clear (A Rank) Wahrheit.

Can almost clear : Gold Dust, Remote Control, Hana Tsubiomi Yume Miru Kyoushi, and Killer Song

Just need more training ^-^

There are just so many songs to play now. It's so fun that I can't just stick to one song at a time just to beat it~~

And I need more pp @~@
nrl

Woobowiz wrote:

And I need more pp @~@
No, you don't. If you're doing it right you won't start getting pp until the very end, because you'll move on to harder maps before you're good enough to FC the ones you're playing. You should never be retrying for FCs, and if you can FC a map on a cold-read the map was too easy for you anyways.

You'll get better quicker if you just forget about your rank.
xasuma
Ive been playing for almost 2 months regularly. Before that I played about 500 times in 5 months lol.

In these 2 months, (1 month and 8 days with a tablet) Ive gotten to 11.5k. And i have been playing offline for a week now, since I was to anxious about pp.
Rank is important, but is not really a precise skill measure-er all the time. Everyone's got their strong and weak points. Make sure you take advantage of your strong points, and practice even if it's discouraging/boring your weak ones.

And go at your own pace. (that does not mean slow), whatever your pace might be, keep it up.
And im sorry to tell you, but if you ever get cookiezi tier, you will have to be #2 son 'Kappa'.
xD

SPOILER
See you at the top ;) And good luck!
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