thats messedSaint wrote:
gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
thats messedSaint wrote:
gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
Trust me, rrtyui tries his hardest to get the best scores he can. Look at his top played maps, thousands of retries on single maps just to push the limits of his skills. And now to put Cookiezi's skill into perspective (since you weren't around when he played) - those crazy scores rrtyui took hundreds or even thousands of plays to achieve were easily beaten by Cookiezi with just a few retries. Every time he played, he'd set ridiculous #1 scores. He HDHR FC'd Dragonforce Legend maps in literally 10 tries in his prime (I was there and spectated it live).Woobowiz wrote:
I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?
yea i thought youd say something like thatWoobowiz wrote:
....I'm South KoreanSaint wrote:
gl man im looking forward to see a non-asian guy as #1 again
I mean, granted I was born in L.A. and lived in the US all my life......'murricaSaint wrote:
yea i thought youd say something like that
america i guess
is this realWoobowiz wrote:
I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?
Believe it or not, I'm actually an optimist at heart. I feel the same way you do regarding pessimism. I hate it when people write themselves off as failures before they've even had a chance to see what they can do. But even more, I hate it when people act like they've already finished before they've even started. It's pretty insulting to be told that "anyone can do what you do," especially if you've put a lot of time into mastering a skill. I'm not saying you're like that, of course - based on what you've said, it sounds more like confidence from past success rather than arrogance from ignorance. But you can see where I'm coming from.Woobowiz wrote:
While I understand what you're getting at, I'm not exactly doing this for myself. Granted, it's great people are supportive and critical of my goal, but the point was to do exactly as you stated; a lot of people are capable of reaching Cookiezi in time. It's just that I don't like it when people look at #1 and say "Well, I guess there's no point in trying to reach the top anymore".
Where did you get that impression? As some have already pointed out, cookiezi in his prime was undoubtedly the best player at the time. We aren't talking about being Grandmaster at Starcraft, or Challenger at League of Legends (If you wanted that, you should have aimed for top 50), but being the best and crushing all competition while your'e at it. That's why people take to offense why you roll right in claiming to become the next Cookiezi.Woobowiz wrote:
As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
First comes those that take offense.mcdoomfrag wrote:
Where did you get that impression? As some have already pointed out, cookiezi in his prime was undoubtedly the best player at the time. We aren't talking about being Grandmaster at Starcraft, or Challenger at League of Legends (If you wanted that, you should have aimed for top 50), but being the best and crushing all competition while your'e at it. That's why people take to offense why you roll right in claiming to become the next Cookiezi.Woobowiz wrote:
As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
Typing out a research paper right now, no time to play, the semester's almost over and Summer will start in 1-2 weeks. Summer is where the real stuff begins.xasuma wrote:
spending this much time in the forums sure isn't going to help you become cookiezi-tier, Kappa .
wtf are you saying?Dexus wrote:
That's just you giving up, don't drag people down with you just because you got stagnant and don't know where or how to improve your own skills. There is no limited capacity to this game, it's just a point where you either break and give up or you keep trying harder.usa wrote:
most people hit their try hard breaking point in 1-2 years, so good luck keeping this up beyond that.
They do that because they don't want to put the effort to get even better, not because they can'tusa wrote:
wtf are you saying?
if people could keep growing muscles, keep running faster then why the hell are there people taking steroids in the top scene of any sport?
umm.. no?GoldenWolf wrote:
They do that because they don't want to put the effort to get even better, not because they can'tusa wrote:
wtf are you saying?
if people could keep growing muscles, keep running faster then why the hell are there people taking steroids in the top scene of any sport?
that map is crazy hard. Last time I was watching happystick he couldn't get through it.Pacemaker wrote:
Despite all the things you've said, it still feels to me like you're taking this whole thing a little too lightly. To me personally your whole approach looks wrong, and that's just looking at the kind of maps you're playing - You're playing modern maps where you'll have ar9 Insanes on 150 BPM
See, the new generation of players, even when they're good enough to DT insanes and pass all those crazy shitmaps, sooner or later have to realize that there's more to being a Cookiezi than just being fast and having good aim, usually by the time they try something like this and fail 10 seconds after the first break because they don't know what the fuck to look at.
My advice? Focus on learning to read low ar instead of going for a pass on some crappy ar10 insane, by playing old maps for example.
People aren't saying it's impossible. They are saying it's extremely difficult and an unrealistic goal that will very likely not be achieved. Cookiezi is better than everyone else by a long shot, enough to make him widely regarded as unrivalled. There are tons of people who have been playing this game hours a day for years and are still not close to being his level, why are we supposed the think that some random rank 60k is the next best thing? It's not impossible, but look at the odds.-Rinku- wrote:
The people saying he can't do it are disgusting :/ I guess it really is in the human nature to put down others and try to succeed yourself. To the people that are insulted by this noob trying to be Cookiezi, I am insulted by you not encouraging the next generation of players which theoretically could have higher potential.
rational*-Rinku- wrote:
The people saying he can't do it are disgusting :/ I guess it really is in the human nature to put down others and try to succeed yourself. To the people that are insulted by this noob trying to be Cookiezi, I am insulted by you not encouraging the next generation of players which theoretically could have higher potential.
I am not saying to think that some 60k is the next best thing. The thing is whether its unrealistic or not, you don't know for if that's true. I do think even if the odds were in his favor it will still take a lot longer for him to achieve than he thinks, but that doesn't mean its impossible. (if he ever gets close at all)Rewben2 wrote:
People aren't saying it's impossible. They are saying it's extremely difficult and an unrealistic goal that will very likely not be achieved. Cookiezi is better than everyone else by a long shot, enough to make him widely regarded as unrivalled. There are tons of people who have been playing this game hours a day for years and are still not close to being his level, why are we supposed the think that some random rank 60k is the next best thing? It's not impossible, but look at the odds.
Woobowiz wrote:
I seem to hear that players like rrtyui and WWW have little need to improve because they're already at the top? I'm sure they can pull of what Cookiezi has done, I'm certain of it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to right?TheVileOne wrote:
The people near the top of the ranks would have already reach cookiezi's level if it were as simple to reach his level. You could get close with enough effort, but even you have not become the number 1 player of any game yet. It's just a matter of how much you work at it, and be aware that cookiezi has doubletime FC'd maps that literally noone else has double timed before. cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax.
Again, my goal is not Rank 1, that will take a good portion of time to get high scores on many songs. When you say "cookiezi is probably the only player to have passed deltamax" then I take that as another item to add to my quest. As I recall, cookiezi wasn't always Rank 1, but a lot of people consider him to be.
You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!Bassist Vinyl wrote:
So maybe the real limit for osu that the average person has is much higher than the level cookiezi was at.
Or maybe i'm vastly overestimating the skill ceiling of this game, or underestimating how fast people can 'cap out'
f i z i k wrote:
You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!Bassist Vinyl wrote:
So maybe the real limit for osu that the average person has is much higher than the level cookiezi was at.
Or maybe i'm vastly overestimating the skill ceiling of this game, or underestimating how fast people can 'cap out'
Can second.Liiraye wrote:
Sorry but that's complete BS and you know it. People say they've reached their limit when they have like 10k plays. Most people improve at osu when they have 3-5 times that amount, and some gradually get faster all the.time. Look at lewas last spurt before he went emo. WWWs great improvement after cookie got banned etc
I don't know the guy you're talking about but noRewben2 wrote:
Although slightly off-topic, was Cookiezi ever considered not being the best past 2010 or so? He's been number 1 in the top 20 osu! players videos since 2010 (besides 2013 for obvious reasons) so I assume he was considered #1 back then, has there been a time since then when he was considered worse than someone else? I know WWW passed him in the performance charts, but ppv1 rank obviously didn't equal skill.
Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~mcdoomfrag wrote:
I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).
If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.
This isn't even only about osu,yeah? Maybe someone researched for playing piano or stuff,who knows. And this is not also limited to each individual person,there has to be a maximum that has been achieved for one person and for what it's worth we just assume it's that for now. I guess you can't calculate how fast you will be able to move your fingers but I am pretty sure that you can do good estimations of what your muscles/nerves will allow you to do.GoldenWolf wrote:
And google will tell you it depends for each person and no scientific researches has been done about how fast you can move your finger for a circle-clicking game
Liiraye wrote:
f i z i k wrote:
You are. I am sure someone with information about biology and stuff could go around and tell us what are the physical capabilties of a human body. There is a certain limit to how fast you will be able to move your fingers and react,and I think Cookiezi was pretty close to that already. Do some googling and come back with facts,fool!
Sorry but that's complete BS and you know it. People say they've reached their limit when they have like 10k plays. Most people improve at osu when they have 3-5 times that amount, and some gradually get faster all the.time. Look at lewas last spurt before he went emo. WWWs great improvement after cookie got banned etc
Immensely so.Soarezi wrote:
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that BWoobowiz wrote:
Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~
While you are right, I am improving though and I think that's what's important right now.Soarezi wrote:
You got a B on it, a FC is FAAAAAAAAAAR from that BWoobowiz wrote:
Wahrheit cleared! FC coming in a few days/weeks~