CalignoBot wrote:

So basically you don't have any real reason. You're just going along the flow that Sakura started a page ago.

Excuse me, what. I had my suspicions on you since the end of D2 (asked Tanz about you here, at the beginning of D3, and that was way before Sakura started). I admit, at first in quite an OMGUSy manner, but later on things were making a lot of sense.

1. Calling RB obvtown because of some half-assed overreaction post
2. Forcing a case on DD
3. After reviewing RB's ISO, I noticed that he's avoiding CB's topic

I indeed have no real reason.

Gumica: If you were scum, who would you kill N1 in your situation? And why Nyquill?

If I were scum, it wouldn't matter who'd I pick in N1. I'd probbably go for a biggest threat, but at the same time preserving the one that suspects me, so that I wouldn't be more suspicious. In following days it would still be the same, but with more variables, it'd be a much more calculated pick (like how Zexion was picked then made me so much more suspicious,...) Nyquill in N1 would just be a random pick out of the PoE..

also, V/LA today. I'm going on a programming tournament, so I doubt I'll have any internet access through entire day.

zzz

hi

yawn

Been and gonna spend the weekend playing Zelda Classic sorry >_<

No but seriously, that case is forced.

Seriously, calling me scum because I said RB was town for his reaction to the fake hammer doesn't make any sense if you can't make any case for why me switching my read is scum motivated.

You focus a lot on that point in general. I have trouble seeing it as anything but a case based on me seeing town as scum and scum as town on a single reaction gambit, which is inherently null.

Switching to trying to wagon me is opportunistic as fuck too. He's playing to survive, not lynch scum.

CalignoBot wrote:

Switching to trying to wagon me is opportunistic as fuck too. He's playing to survive, not lynch scum.

Aren't you doing that too? The only case you've got on me is sheeping RB because I was a lazy-ass slacker, or am I wrong?

No, because being opportunistic would mean trying to find an excuse to go onto Gumica today since he was in the spotlight immediately when day started.

If you were town, why would you not go for Gumica?

Because...

CalignoBot wrote:

The game makes perfect sense with a rEdo+RB scumteam.

well, what are your reasons to believe that?

rEdo voted with RB when he could and RB tried to backpedal the buddying so that it wouldn't reveal his scumpartner.
He jumps on the Gumica bandwagon, but suddenly switches to me the moment a wagon starts becoming a possibility.
RB's end-of-day reads make a lot of sense with rEdo-scum. He tried to subtly implicate Gumica by putting him in his town reads (by going off the WIFOM that he'd be protecting his buddy) and subtly implicate me by throwing a weak, refuted reason on me, but left rEdo in his scumreads. RB tried to WIFOM lynches.

Plus there's this gem:

rEdo wrote:

I guess this is the best for the current moment.

Vote: Raging Bull

If he flips scum, there's a high probability of Gumica being scum as well. I'd love to have a cop investigation on this guy made by somebody, unless it's already been done.

Free brownies to the first person who sees why this is bad.

EBWOP:

rEdo wrote:

Also, another random thought that came to my head: the person from this game who would most likely kill Nyquill N1 is you and RB himself.

oh what the fuck did just happen, my whole previous post is gone WTF

Nevermind, here it is.

CalignoBot wrote:

rEdo voted with RB when he could and RB tried to backpedal the buddying so that it wouldn't reveal his scumpartner.

Like I said, this was mainly because I was lazy and wanted to see who notices this first.

CalignoBot wrote:

He jumps on the Gumica bandwagon, but suddenly switches to me the moment a wagon starts becoming a possibility.

The reason why I jumped on you is because this game is solved for me. I know either you or Gumica are scum, so I'm just playing around, testing how people react. I still hate how Gumica is lurking and not doing anything by himself, by the way. I also didn't like all of his responses to my questions, that's just not enough. The unavailability of gaining information from him is the main reason why I'm on you.

CalignoBot wrote:

RB's end-of-day reads make a lot of sense with rEdo-scum. He tried to subtly implicate Gumica by putting him in his town reads (by going off the WIFOM that he'd be protecting his buddy) and subtly implicate me by throwing a weak, refuted reason on me, but left rEdo in his scumreads. RB tried to WIFOM lynches.

You say that as if it wasn't like I had Gumica in my suspects since D1.

CalignoBot wrote:

Plus there's this gem:

rEdo wrote:

I guess this is the best for the current moment.

Vote: Raging Bull

If he flips scum, there's a high probability of Gumica being scum as well. I'd love to have a cop investigation on this guy made by somebody, unless it's already been done.

Free brownies to the first person who sees why this is bad.

Do you imply role fishing? Yeah, nice try. The bolded by you part of this post was just in case there actually was a Cop and he had investigated Gumica before-hand. Also, the person from this game who would most likely kill Nyquill N1 is you and RB himself. Here. Afraid of Nyquill drilling into this?

Why am I likely to kill Nyquill again?

p/2930392 In case you missed that in previous post.

Association with Gumica, a potential to get narrowed down. Just like I'm doing it to you now. He also was pretty blunt with saying that RB is scum.

So you cherry picked the only indication in Nyquill's entire ISO that indicates any kind of attention on me whatsoever, and one that's pretty much reads-irrelevant anyway.

I don't see how your point on his RB suspicion is at all relevant.

ftr i'd like to remind you that Nyquill was townreading CB on the Neighborhood.

To be fair, that's not really relevant to his point since there's no way an RB+me scumteam would have any way of knowing about it on N1.

i honestly don't see anything incriminating in the post redo quoted.

like, at all.

Well yeah =/ went through his ISO it's not like he shared many reads by the end of D1, it kind of reminds me of the time i got Night killed N1 on my first mafia game after making a whooping ammount of 2 posts and no reads.

Anyway there's 2 ways i wanna go about today, either kill the WIFOM role (rEdo) or kill my scumspect (Gumica)

that moment when in the middle of an argument you realize you're wrong but you still keep on forcing your ideas lol

after I posted the link to this, I realized it's actually taken completely out of context as well. I mean, read 2-3 pages before that occured.

oh well >_>"

Sakura, would you rather go with me or Gumica? If Gumica flips town, then you're free to lynch me the following day.

rEdo wrote:

Sakura, would you rather go with me or Gumica? If Gumica flips town, then you're free to lynch me the following day.

No, how about we lynch you today instead.

there's so much wrong with that sentence it's like a scum claim.

Yup, feel free to. Tanz, hammer please.

I realized I don't even deserve to win this game, so whatever >_>"

Like, read it over and tell me if it makes sense coming from someone with a town role PM.

ya, nice copying of my tactics, i like that. ===[]
Vote: rEdo

I hope you guys pick the right person next day. Cheers!

Like what in the fricken world if you're really town you dont offer yourself up to be lynched on XyLo.

Yup, I really am town, and I really am a 1-shot Bulletproof.

I just lost the motivation, since I realized I'm wrong in the middle of my argumentation. And there was no way to back it off, so scum like Gumica can happily hammer me.

At least you get rid of the WIFOM, that's the best thing I can do anyway.

Oh and btw, you said I was unavaliable to give you information, but all you had to do is ask... generaly, I reply to every question unless i'm pissed off @something. Just, for future reference rEdo

Giving up is literally the worst possible thing you can do as town.

I would get lynched anyway after I brought up the Gumica-CB association, so that wasn't really giving up ^_^

Yeah, let's stop posting now. Good luck, town.

I tought that was self-hammering (:
sry, had to say it

Bitches want me to stop walling

k

Vote: Gumica

hammering redo was basically a scumclaim

especially since redo obviously wanted me to post first. but ya couldn't wait on that now couldn't you?

also i agree. best flavour 10/10

This is me not hammering and waiting to see how Gumica reacts.

Also this is me getting paranoia on Tanz because why the fricken fuck would CB die over me or Tanz.

i have no clue.

the nightkills just don't make any sense.

not that they need to make sense, gumica is the last scum.

i also need to improve my reading drastically. i read all that scum bs of his as newb town bs.

I mean, we're both technically the most obvtown by play this game, why would Gumica condemn himself by killing CBot instead of either you or me and 1v1 with CBot.

There's 2 reasons i can think of IF you are scum it means you wanted to keep me alive because i'm townreading you and you need me to vote Gumica with you which I hinted i was willing to do so at D3.

Besides you hinted during most of the game to Gumica being town, if you thought Gumica was that town you'd have opened the day voting me instead.

But then this is LyLo and paranoia prevents me for rushing to vote either of you 2 =/

Also im conftown now coz if i was scum i'd have already hammered for the win.

well i would say that RB was the clear head of the organisation. if i can entrust one thing on gumica, then that there is not much sense behind his play.


i would argue that he thought with his hammer that he cleared himself as town.

i thought gumica was town.

then he claimed scum by hammering redo.

sorry but even the nicest village idiot wouldn't townread him anymore.

Hmm... i really need to rethink and reread.

it's 5 am.

i don't think we will hear too much from gumica until at least 6-8 hours from now. good nigt for now.

holy shit i literally lol'd at caligno's flip

consider this a bah post

Well here I am, 6h late from Tanz time-prediction.
Anyways, I only accelerated things a bit, since you were all just going in circles last day. It's usualy easier finding scum in lylo than mylo. Based on the provided informations and proofs on rEdo (and that "threat" he pulled over Sakura), I voted him. So, tell me, how does hammering make anyone 100% scum? Are you implying that hammering is always scum, when lynching the wrong person?

Now, I trust Sakura is town (if you're scum, then just end it), so i'm voting the only player left in the game;
Vote: Tanzklaue

would you kill someone who asks you to kill him irl?

no you wouldn't. unless you had the job to kill him. then you gladly would take that chance.

also: you just don't hammer before deadline in this situation, even if one guy says it is okay. you still have to state the intend of hammering and ask everyone if it is okay. that is if you're town at least.

especially since no scum would give up this easily when he is on his own.

I'd kill a friend irl if he was in a special situation, where it would be better to kill him than letting him suffer...

So what, now i have to wait for everybody's approval in 5p game? 2/4 players were inclined to vote rEdo (that being me and Sakura). The only ones left were you and Caligno. So you're implying i should never hammer until we get 100% unity. No, sorry, your logic is flawed. However it is true that I could've waited a bit longer.

both sakura and cb already had votes on him.

let's move away from focusing down the early hammer. what about general being unproductive? what about blackmailing the town? what about scumreading obv town sakura for most of the time?

right like I said, CB's vote was really irrelevant, but Sakura was inclined on his vote, but still that doesn't make any sense to have unity...

Being unproductive.. hmm, well that's how I am. Even now, you can see i'm online in about 6h timespan, in out evenings. Also, I'm a fast player, so I prefer fast paced games, so EM and ircMafia are perfect for me, unlike this, when I can quickly become tired of it. I do post when I'm provoked tho. But in all honesty, other players aren't really that much more active (at least some of them).

Blackmailing... ha, bad call. That was in the Upick game, not here.

I was scumreading Sakura because of her provocations. She basicly tunneled me through entire game, without any solid evidence. She just kept saying "this just proves my suspicions" and kept making some random ideasto get me lynched. You'd have to be stupid not to suspect anything wrong with that. And that's the reason why I kept scumreading her.

Ok so considering im conf town now and one of you 2 is scum then i want each of you to answer the next couple questions:

1. Assuming you are scum why would the night kills make sense coming from you.
2. Assuming you are town why would the night kills make sense coming from the opponent.

I want each of you 2's view on how you would handle the night kills as scum and why you think the night kills would make more sense as the other party.

1.
nyquill: i guess i would only kill him to continue the legacy?
zexion: obvious newbtown, so you can't let him live for too long as scum or else the pool in which scum can hide ggets really small really fast.
CB: the only reason for me to do this nightkill would be to abuse your strong associations with gumica, but even then no sane person would let you live.

2.
nyquill: maybe some kind of masterplan of RB which needed nyquill to be dead.
zexion: basically the above. with how RB pushed zexion it was clear that he wanted him dead.
CB: mindfuck. pure and complete wifom mindfucking.

in any case, the nyquill nightkill was pretty random. dunno if RB is asshole enough to conduct such a kill out of pure funny. i don't think i would be tbh.

zexion is a no brainer tbh. you wouldn't even care if he is a PR or not.

CB is the critical nightkill, and i think creating a whole bunch of wifom is exactly what gumica wanted and needed to do. he would've been dead by now if he had gone for one of the obv towns.

1. Assuming I am scum, such nightkills would be pretty much stupid. Why? I was pretty much scumreaded throughout the entire game by the majority of players. Nightkills that would make me even more suspicious by others, would just make other people more convinced I'm scum. Why anyone would do that is beyond my comprehension. Other than that, I really wouldn't think much about nightkills. It'd go down the PoE way, getting rid of the most threatening players to scumteam, or at least kill players in relation to make others look more guilty.

2. Assuming I'm town, nightkills like the ones presented in this game are pretty well planned. If we just take last 2 nights for example...Zexion was killed, but he was the most neutral player in the game. That made it look just a lot worse for me, as he was perfect target in midst of all "townplayers". Zexion was no threat to scum, but he was to me. And getting rid of me yesterday was a part of the scum's plan, i think. Well then again, he could've gone for more pro-town player, but he'd get less confirm kills. Umm... what else... Oh, Same thing with Caligno last night. He was the most neutral, in the group of the remaining "conftown's", just making it seem like i'm bigger scum today (which essentialy, Tanz is doing)

I agree with tanz about nyquill tho, was random

I still haven't liked Tanz entrance today tho, i'd think town him would be more shocked to find out that one of his townreads would have to be wrong, but he entered attacking Gumica.

erm

you were both townreads of mine and i stated day 3 that if redo isn't the scum then it has to be gumica by poe?

also you were the way more towny townread here.

also more than 24 hours are more than enough to deal with any kind of shock and plan your moves. it's not like one of my townreads was outed scum by a cop or shot by a dayvig. i would understand the shock/panic argument there, but not after a normal lynch/night/day cycle.

Whyy didnt scum kill me whyyyy i hate this paranoia

And also i hate LyLo

I mean there's this bugging feeling here that if Tanz scum ALL the night kills make sense. But then there's this bugging feeling that Gumica's the most scummy player in the history of Mafia.

Ugh, forgive me if i choose wrong, but i just can't shake the feeling that the night kills make more sense coming from Tanz than Gumica

Here goes...

*gulp*

*closes eyes*


Vote: Tanz

did i hit correctly?....

Scum almost had this game. Props to them.

Scum should have night killed me during the last night, they'd have a higher chance of winning that way, leaving me, Gumica + Tanz filled my paranoia that Tanz left me alive just to mislynch Gumica.

Oh btw the setup IS reviewed for balance and it is balanced.
Tracker guilty requires targetting a nightkilling scum, 1SBP is a limited protection, and neighborizer is non-alignment-indicative useless role.
Two goons with a daytalk could easily balance it.

[3/21/2014 2:50:33 AM] pieguy: I'm guessing sakura is scum in your mismatched flavor game
[3/21/2014 2:50:54 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Why
[3/21/2014 2:51:02 AM] pieguy: I'm testing my tell on her out
[3/21/2014 2:51:06 AM] pieguy: bc I haven't tested it yet
[3/21/2014 2:51:21 AM] pieguy: the problem with this is
[3/21/2014 2:51:35 AM] pieguy: I think she tries to emulate it and it's only a matter of time before she screws it up
[3/21/2014 2:51:52 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Shes town
[3/21/2014 2:51:55 AM] pieguy: aw shit
[3/21/2014 2:52:04 AM] pieguy: oh well I tried
[3/21/2014 2:52:21 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Guess the scumteam?
[3/21/2014 2:52:33 AM] pieguy: haven't read the whole thing I just wanted tosee if I could figure out her alignment
[3/21/2014 2:52:55 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer:
[3/21/2014 2:53:19 AM] pieguy: the thing with this tell is it's like really weird to actually apply it
[3/21/2014 2:53:26 AM] pieguy: bc she can sometimes fake it under certain conditions
[3/21/2014 2:53:37 AM] pieguy: oh well ~
[3/21/2014 2:53:49 AM] pieguy: fyi I wasn't at all confident in that call
[3/21/2014 2:53:50 AM] pieguy: pieguy runs
[3/21/2014 2:54:50 AM] pieguy: ok this is completely shooting out of my ass let's see if I can get this
[3/21/2014 2:55:01 AM] pieguy: gumica town (inb4 the first one i pick is wrong)
[3/21/2014 2:55:20 AM] pieguy: redo town?
[3/21/2014 2:56:05 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Keep going
[3/21/2014 2:56:10 AM] pieguy: btw this is entirely from ISOs so a lot of them are probably wrong
[3/21/2014 2:56:20 AM] pieguy: RB I'll sort him after everyone else
[3/21/2014 2:57:25 AM] pieguy: zexion town?
[3/21/2014 2:57:56 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Go on
[3/21/2014 2:58:08 AM] pieguy: hell I think I've townread all the scum already but ok
[3/21/2014 2:58:27 AM] pieguy: tanz is weird cause he's good but he's never rolled scum and idk what to expect from him
[3/21/2014 2:59:51 AM] pieguy: what the actual fuck is calingo doing
[3/21/2014 3:00:10 AM] pieguy: "I have the best role.

Discuss." <- INB4 JESTER
[3/21/2014 3:00:44 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: The setuo page explicitly says that the setup os normal
[3/21/2014 3:00:48 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Setup*
[3/21/2014 3:00:50 AM] pieguy: oh
[3/21/2014 3:01:25 AM] pieguy: I wanna call him town for that softclaim
[3/21/2014 3:01:38 AM] pieguy: but seriously wtf is going on
[3/21/2014 3:02:43 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: So your final scumpick?
[3/21/2014 3:03:11 AM] pieguy: either RB/tanz or RB/calingo
[3/21/2014 3:03:21 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Choose one
[3/21/2014 3:03:31 AM] pieguy: we all know I'm wrong anyway
[3/21/2014 3:03:34 AM] pieguy: let me sort caligno harder
[3/21/2014 3:04:05 AM] pieguy: RB/tanz
[3/21/2014 3:04:09 AM] pieguy: inb4 0/2
[3/21/2014 3:04:16 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: 2/2
[3/21/2014 3:04:20 AM] pieguy: LOL ARE YOU SRS
[3/21/2014 3:05:03 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Now if you were In that game, you wouldve lynched sakura d2 and eat a nightkill n2 right before you arrive at that read
[3/21/2014 3:05:08 AM] pieguy: like really are you actually serious LOL
[3/21/2014 3:05:08 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: Ocean Blue Freezer runs
[3/21/2014 3:05:10 AM] pieguy: oh god rofl
[3/21/2014 3:05:13 AM] pieguy: that's probably right
[3/21/2014 3:06:13 AM] pieguy: this is why I utilize twilight talk \o\
[3/21/2014 3:06:18 AM] pieguy: i did it in AA:MFA and I did it in sakura's newbie
[3/21/2014 3:06:58 AM] Ocean Blue Freezer: In sakura's newbie I lynched RB while townreading him lol
[3/21/2014 3:07:26 AM] pieguy: yeah lolol
[3/21/2014 3:07:34 AM] pieguy: I can't believe the one time I call both scum I'M NOT EVEN IN THE GAME
[3/21/2014 3:07:36 AM] pieguy: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[3/21/2014 3:09:24 AM] pieguy: I am so posting this postgame lmao

At least now we know something, your tell on me is wrong.

Oh nice. It's funny how you all started to suspect me on D1 but i survived till the end, lol

Eh i told tanz to kill the opposite of whoever died. Sakura and redoand cb and gumica.

On another note, I told you gumica and I arent scum buddies!

I wanna see the 600 page Scum QT that can rival Nacho x Muffin Scum QTs plz.

Sakura wrote:

Scum should have night killed me during the last night, they'd have a higher chance of winning that way, leaving me, Gumica + Tanz filled my paranoia that Tanz left me alive just to mislynch Gumica.

my only weakness was my hybris and thoughtlessness with the last nightkill.

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LExaxAaQqChTe

a lot of badmouthing and mafiaunrelated talk happened. also basically 150 posts of me monologing like a crazy person.

including multiple breakdowns out of sheer WTF-ness

I'm pretty bummed that i threw this game like an idiot :/

We still won. Nyquill did not make it past N1.

well yea.


fun fact: nyquill wasn't random. for once the prophecy, for the other he crumbed neighborizer so hard it hurt. and no one but me picked it up.

READ IT IN THE NEW MASTERPIECE "HEIGHTS AND LOWS OF A SCUM LIFE" FROM RB AND TK!

The only time you should trust me when I say someone's obvtown is if I fight tooth and nail to stop them from dying for the rest of the game. Saying it once probably means I'm saying it for dramatic effect.

"LIKE LITERALLY HE LOOKS INTO THE TOILETTE AND HIS SHIT SAYS "TANZKLAUE IS TOTES SCUM!" AND CB IS LIKE "REALLY?" AND THE SHIT IS LIKE "LOL YOU TALK WITH SHIT YOU PATHTIC WEENIE""

this guy