Do you feel like you have to concentrate on every single object? Because I don't think that's necessary and would be impossible to do at higher difficulties (and streams) anyway. Try to follow the flow of the song/map instead.

yoyomster wrote:

Do you feel like you have to concentrate on every single object? Because I don't think that's necessary and would be impossible to do at higher difficulties (and streams) anyway. Try to follow the flow of the song/map instead.

Actually, what makes you good is being able to concentrate on that many objects that fast. Also, when people ask for help with certain patters, most people give the advice to concentrate on each individual note.

To improve your concentration just try to play really hard maps. Pick a map that you can barely keep up with and then turn on no-fail. I do the same thing, and I feel like it's been helping me improve quite a bit.(In all areas)

Myke B wrote:

yoyomster wrote:

Do you feel like you have to concentrate on every single object? Because I don't think that's necessary and would be impossible to do at higher difficulties (and streams) anyway. Try to follow the flow of the song/map instead.

Actually, what makes you good is being able to concentrate on that many objects that fast. Also, when people ask for help with certain patters, most people give the advice to concentrate on each individual note.

Ok, I agree you have to concentrate on every object. But that doesn't mean you have to concentrate equally as hard on every one of them. I know that's different from what I said earlier, but that's what I meant.

winber1 wrote:

read your whole history textbook twice.

history is such a dumb subject

yoyomster wrote:

Ok, I agree you have to concentrate on every object. But that doesn't mean you have to concentrate equally as hard on every one of them.

If you don't want to make random misses, you have to.

FL+HD long maps

more coffee...

or less coffee.

Depends on the person.

Playing long maps sure helps, specially with HD.

GoldenWolf wrote:

yoyomster wrote:

Ok, I agree you have to concentrate on every object. But that doesn't mean you have to concentrate equally as hard on every one of them.

If you don't want to make random misses, you have to.

yuup

history is such a dumb subject

waat.

Play scarlet rose, the map screams concentration.

Thank you for being so kind as to reply! I'm touched and shall do my best to reply to everything.
I'm sorry if its a bit long.

Aqo wrote:

Play boring/repetitive maps that are also difficult.

Do such mystical maps exist? I can't seem to find any that fit both of those requirements. Then again, I am terrible at searching for things.
I will continue my quest to find boring maps!

Myke B wrote:

doesn't every single map require concentration??

That may be why I can only SS once every other blue moon.

winber1 wrote:

read your whole history textbook twice.

That's a pretty interesting idea... Unfortunately my history textbook is interesting and the only pain that comes from it is its extreme weight.

YayMii wrote:

have a staring contest with a .jpg

What if it turns out to be a .gif that blinks?

yoyomster wrote:

Do you feel like you have to concentrate on every single object? Because I don't think that's necessary and would be impossible to do at higher difficulties (and streams) anyway. Try to follow the flow of the song/map instead.

That's how I used to try and think, but when I do that I always miss random notes in the stream for no reason and then I lose the flow of the map and fail.

Kukuthemoogle wrote:

To improve your concentration just try to play really hard maps. Pick a map that you can barely keep up with and then turn on no-fail. I do the same thing, and I feel like it's been helping me improve quite a bit.(In all areas)

I have made a collection of all the insane maps I have and can't pass and will try to do that! Thank you~

NixXSkate wrote:

FL+HD long maps

When I play FL I tend to depend on the approach circles cluing me in on where the next hit circle is so playing with HD sounds... I'll try.

TeaDots wrote:

more coffee...

or less coffee.

Depends on the person.

Playing long maps sure helps, specially with HD.

Less coffee for me, drinking it makes me really tired or has no effect. Maybe its from drinking too much caffeinated soda over the years.
HD is pretty fun so I'll do my best with that.

[ Stellar ] wrote:

Play scarlet rose, the map screams concentration.

Okay!

One last thing: if you're above 5 digit rank then all you need to do is just play. The new PP system is a pretty nice estimate for skill, and you'll find that only 5-6 digit rank people make these types of posts. Anyone lower has already realized that practice is literally the only way to improve clicking circles.

Myke B wrote:

One last thing: if you're above 5 digit rank then all you need to do is just play. The new PP system is a pretty nice estimate for skill, and you'll find that only 5-6 digit rank people make these types of posts. Anyone lower has already realized that practice is literally the only way to improve clicking circles.

I'll try to keep that in mind. It's just that after being stuck in the same area for my rank so long got me a bit frustrated because it seemed just playing wasn't really working out...

I know it can be irritating, but you don't get good overnight. I, and many others have been playing this game for years.

Myke B wrote:

I know it can be irritating, but you don't get good overnight. I, and many others have been playing this game for years.

I'll do my best to keep practicing. I think this thread has helped me get over the irritation that's been plaguing me the last week and find out new ways to improve. Dissatisfaction can help pave a road for success? I've been hovering around the same rank for around four months now even though my amount of play has been on the rise lately, which as I said in the opening is probably related to my inability to stay focused. I think I've become too dependent on habit.

Though I do have to mention that playing for years is part of finally being irritated, since I'm nearing three years of osu.

Myke B wrote:

I know it can be irritating, but you don't get good overnight. I, and many others have been playing this game for years.

You don't get good overnight, but it doesn't take more than a year to get to a decent/average level at the 5~7k if you have a proper practice drill instead of playing wicked maps with no-fail on as I have seen people do.

I serve as example, I have this account for three years but didn't start playing till mar/29/2013, which is less than a year. Got to 700pp and now at the 1k ppv2.

Take a person months, if done right, but not years to become average as I'm.

Heinzen wrote:

Myke B wrote:

I know it can be irritating, but you don't get good overnight. I, and many others have been playing this game for years.

You don't get good overnight, but it doesn't take more than a year to get to a decent/average level at the 5~7k if you have a proper practice drill instead of playing wicked maps with no-fail on as I have seen people do.

I serve as example, I have this account for three years but didn't start playing till mar/29/2013, which is less than a year. Got to 700pp and now at the 1k ppv2.

Take a person months, if done right, but not years to become average as I'm.

Oh - it most certainly doesn't take years to get "decent", I was just saying that as a "don't expect to be as good as someone who has been playing longer than you right away".

"Though I do have to mention that playing for years is part of finally being irritated, since I'm nearing three years of osu. "

Yes, but you also didn't play consistently for 2 years, and neither did I. You have only 10k plays, which is nothing for 2 years. I mean - even I only have like 18k, and that's nothing for 2 years due to long breaks.

Heinzen wrote:

You don't get good overnight, but it doesn't take more than a year to get to a decent/average level at the 5~7k if you have a proper practice drill instead of playing wicked maps with no-fail on as I have seen people do.

Practice... drills??? How does one develop practice drills did you just go and play anything harder than what you could handle? Warm-ups??
I can't stand playing no-fail because it always ends up frustrating when I finally do well to pass a song and it still has the half score and when I try again I fail.

Myke B wrote:

Yes, but you also didn't play consistently for 2 years, and neither did I. You have only 10k plays, which is nothing for 2 years. I mean - even I only have like 18k, and that's nothing for 2 years due to long breaks.

My play is consistent! It consistently looks like a mountain range!
Though in all seriousness to me it is very consistent even if it's fairly low overall except for a break I took for a few months in 2013.
I guess my play count is rather sad...

Myke B wrote:

Yes, but you also didn't play consistently for 2 years, and neither did I. You have only 10k plays, which is nothing for 2 years. I mean - even I only have like 18k, and that's nothing for 2 years due to long breaks.

Not sure if you were refeering to me, but I have 40k plays in the timespan of - roughly - 11 months. Not that it matters cause I retry a lot/play a lot of unranked maps in order to practice, but still, I got your point. I was just stating that there is something wrong if it takes a person years to get decent

Heinzen wrote:

Myke B wrote:

Yes, but you also didn't play consistently for 2 years, and neither did I. You have only 10k plays, which is nothing for 2 years. I mean - even I only have like 18k, and that's nothing for 2 years due to long breaks.

Not sure if you were refeering to me, but I have 40k plays in the timespan of - roughly - 11 months. Not that it matters cause I retry a lot/play a lot of unranked maps in order to practice, but still, I got your point. I was just stating that there is something wrong if it takes a person years to get decent

na, I wasn't. 40k is definitely good for 11 months. I only average about 3-4k plays a month.

please don't look at your play count and feel sad. I feel like the play count thing is a bit "unlegit" to actually credibly use (my own opinion). I'm only saying that since I've racked up 700 plays on a song that's not even that hard to me anymore... To be honest, I don't even know why I have so many plays on it, actually. I've played 10.3k times with acceleration on, especially since I used to "farm" maps with perfect and sudden death mod. It only took about 1.7k plays with acceleration off to get 500pp post ppv2. <_<

So generally, I wouldn't take play count and time arrived too seriously. It's more about how effectively the play count is used.

since I've racked up 700 plays on a song

Holy shit. I don't understand how top players or players in general play one song so many times. Play count is not bad IMO (even though I know people don't agree) because it shows how much you've played. I use the example: if someone is asking "why can't I beat freedom dive, wtf??" and they have a 10k play count ~ people will laugh. Even if 700 of your plays are on one song ~ each of those plays has contributed to your skill in some way.

Play-count is dumb and not dumb at all at the same time.

It's dumb cause every retry and unranked play counts. Which means that playing a fun map (like those 2Bs), or retrying a map every 2 seconds because you keep scoring 100s in the first few notes will be added to your playcount.

It's smart cause it's a good metric to know how much you have played. For example, I have something around 500 retries in Pluto (was one of my favorite maps to practice when I was a baddie), but most of those were actual tries.

Playcount is something to be considered when talking about time spent in the game, but it's not the most precise information about the actual number of plays someone has

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying I wouldn't take it so seriously if someone's play count is high with lower pp. I wouldn't count it as reliable as an actual "time spent playing beatmaps" counter. I don't believe osu! has one of these, so play count is as close as it gets. (Perhaps level, as well, but that has its own issues).

Anyways, "effective play count use" is pretty subjective in itself, so it's whatever. I'm more at fault with how I used my 12k. ;-;

Heinzen wrote:

every unranked play counts.

except they don't

@heinzen funny thing is about retrying is when you don't actually realise how hard the rest of a map is
I guess I got a bit of practice out of it but I don't know how many times I retry'd this 1 map to complete the first set of jumps, I did later realise that the rest of the map was 10x harder :L and is in fact 1 of the harder maps in this game let me look.. Yousei teikoku - senketsu no chikai [insanity]
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/142954&m=0

GoldenWolf wrote:

Heinzen wrote:

every unranked play counts.

except they don't

I think he meant that relax and autopilot mods count towards your play count on ranked maps. Unranked maps obviously don't count.

If you get over 10k score, it counts as a play. That's usually within the first 20x combo. Retrying the first note on a map with HD, because there's no audio lead-in, does not count as a play.

On Topic:

I doubt your problem is concentration, but rather that the maps are slightly too difficult to read, either due to overlaps or timings that are different from the distance spacing. This is the major difference between lower and higher difficulties. You just need play a variety of difficult maps and you will get better.

Not so long after I started, I had this problem with some jumps on Senpuu no Mai [Niber's Insane] where I could not actually read the jumps properly, despite thinking that I could (Nope). If it were not for the spun-out mod being unranked back in the day, that would be my second most played map after Raver's Fantasy [Lisbeth's Fantasy] - exact same problem... thought I could read the jumps, but actually couldn't. It's akin to spacing out, where you aren't actively focusing as you are used to doing, mainly because you can't.

To build upon the "you don't get better overnight" analogy:
You can't actually gauge the linear progression of your reading abilities. One day you will come back to a map you had trouble with, S it, and say "wtf happened?" ... You don't feel the improvement in this regard, because it's not something linked with a numerical value, like your finger speed and BPM, or your reactions and the Approach Rate, or your accuracy and the Overall Difficulty. Reading is a very "out of the box" mechanic which can only be measured after completing patterns that originally gave you trouble.

RaneFire wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

except they don't

I think he meant that relax and autopilot mods count towards your play count on ranked maps. Unranked maps obviously don't count.

This.

Also, I kinda agree that having a map being way too hard to read or stay on rhythm has it's problems, but if he feels that he's not focused or paying attention, then there is no way he's going to be able to focus in playing the map at all. It's a vicious cycle.

Myke B wrote:

all you need to do is just play. The new PP system is a pretty nice estimate for skill,

also when u are good enough u can rank up with misses and low accuracy so dont worry xD

iderekmc wrote:

also when u are good enough u can rank up with misses and low accuracy so dont worry xD

you won't get far with bad aim and accuracy though