buny wrote:
[qq]i'm lower than the initial pp i started with[/qq]
Get your friend to make some new high-scores on any map. That should trigger an immediate re-calculation of his pp. If his rank doesn't go back up a while after that, then he will most likely stay at 804.Takuji wrote:
Is this still half fixed?
Because Yesterday I went from 560ish>615 and my friend went from 660ish>804, And now I'm back at 551 and my friend is still at 804?
Ah okay, thanks for the fast responser :3Tom94 wrote:
Get your friend to make some new high-scores on any map. That should trigger an immediate re-calculation of his pp. If his rank doesn't go back up a while after that, then he will most likely stay at 804.Takuji wrote:
Is this still half fixed?
Because Yesterday I went from 560ish>615 and my friend went from 660ish>804, And now I'm back at 551 and my friend is still at 804?
No I didn't hence the "not sure if it was already said" because who the fuck would want to read that deep into a giant QQ fest. her derAlmost wrote:
If you actually read before...
NoFail gives 10% less pp than without.ntaig wrote:
I saw this question some days ago, but don't remember it being answered.
Does the no-fail do anything to the pp you can gain? say you do 98% or something with nf, would there be any difference between the pp gained from that and a score without mod?
Before that change got reverted my best performances list looked way more accurate than how it was before/now. .-.pooptartsonas wrote:
When these most recent pp changes (the one that weights scores that excel in one category higher) kicked in and many people went up like 500pp, my top ranks changed and seemed to reflect these changes. Two of my scores in particular that are really high in one category moved way up. The pp reverted, as well as my top ranks, and I've gained pp since then through scores so I can't tell if I gained any after the revert due to the change.
So, Tom, did you accidentally weigh these scores that excel in one category much higher than you had intended at first and then fixed the number? Or are calculations still going on behind the scene? I'm confused.
JappyBabes wrote:
Before that change got reverted my best performances list looked way more accurate than how it was before/now. .-.
ppv2 is pretty much tp...Gray Pigeon wrote:
Why doesn't it make ppv2 into the same calculation method as tp?
Because pp of 3 section (aim, speed, acc) sum total of other musical scores is high although Legendre has the skill to take Acc99.76% of accuracy by HDHR of RedGoose [Another], the capability to take accuracy is not correctly reflected in ppv2ranking.
This is being able to say not only to him but to all the players.
I wish, ppv2 becomes the same calculation method as tp.
Because ppv2 of now cannot say it as the ranking which expresses the skill of a player correctly.
ppv2 is tp without the Rank 50 Limitation... and also Tom94 made itGray Pigeon wrote:
Why doesn't it make ppv2 into the same calculation method as tp?
Because pp of 3 section (aim, speed, acc) sum total of other musical scores is high although Legendre has the skill to take Acc99.76% of accuracy by HDHR of RedGoose [Another], the capability to take accuracy is not correctly reflected in ppv2ranking.
This is being able to say not only to him but to all the players.
I wish, ppv2 becomes the same calculation method as tp.
Because ppv2 of now cannot say it as the ranking which expresses the skill of a player correctly.
your acc was probably worst in the HD play there for you get a new score but takes off your pp because its HDThisabel wrote:
Today i beat my score on SENTIVE - Saigo ni Kimi ga Ita with HD. My rank increased from rank around 220 to 88. But at the same time I lost pp and therefore ranks.
Does anyone has an explanation for this?
Translation: Your second play, the one that was "better", was actually worse performance wise, so you lost points because you overwrote your other score.snosey wrote:
your acc was probably worst in the HD play there for you get a new score but takes off your pp because its HDThisabel wrote:
Today i beat my score on SENTIVE - Saigo ni Kimi ga Ita with HD. My rank increased from rank around 220 to 88. But at the same time I lost pp and therefore ranks.
Does anyone has an explanation for this?
I don't think many people realise this. But if this isn't true, then the system/my top ranks/other people's top ranks won't make sense. So I'll just agree with this.Gray Pigeon wrote:
ppv2 calculates PP which 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of musical scores totaled in high order.
tp calculates PP after making 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of a musical score into separately high order.
Therefore, although tp and ppv2 are alike, it is not completely the same.
Even if tp carries out rank in to the 10000th place and it will be reflected, a result differs from ppv2.
sorry, i'm just going to be out with this - your english is terrible and I can't understand what you're trying to point out.Gray Pigeon wrote:
ppv2 calculates PP which 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of musical scores totaled in high order.
tp calculates PP after making 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of a musical score into separately high order.
Therefore, although tp and ppv2 are alike, it is not completely the same.
Even if tp carries out rank in to the 10000th place and it will be reflected, a result differs from ppv2.
Apart from the fact, that in pp the 3 sections are not just totaled, this is true. The reason why it's not exactly like tp is, because I feel it's just as wrong to only look at single aspects of scores in isolation as it is to look at a totaled value only. Scores which demand skill in all 3 categories should also be rewarded.Gray Pigeon wrote:
ppv2 calculates PP which 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of musical scores totaled in high order.
tp calculates PP after making 3 sections (aim,speed,acc) of a musical score into separately high order.
Therefore, although tp and ppv2 are alike, it is not completely the same.
Even if tp carries out rank in to the 10000th place and it will be reflected, a result differs from ppv2.
Thank you for the answer, and I am sorry that I am poor at English.Tom94 wrote:
Apart from the fact, that in pp the 3 sections are not just totaled, this is true. The reason why it's not exactly like tp is, because I feel it's just as wrong to only look at single aspects of scores in isolation as it is to look at a totaled value only. Scores which demand skill in all 3 categories should also be rewarded.
Currently the pp a score is worth is computed by the following formula: (aim^X + speed^X + acc^X)^(1/X)
Where X at the moment is 1.1 and will likely rise a bit in the future.
Profile / ingame rank always have been behind by some time. Don't worry, they will eventually catch up.MosaicII wrote:
What's happening about rank sorting? Rank for perfomance toplist and rank for user's page have very strange relation.
Yes, they heavily reduce the amount of aim points you'd getTMoI wrote:
Does it take more away if you miss more notes?
No, It will not become, if all categories are not high maps.Defacer wrote:
So finally, if you have generally bad aim but pretty good speed&acc and you finally achieve a score that excels mostly in aim without much speed&acc , will the system treat that score's aim value separately and boost you even though the score overall in all categories isn't that high(maybe not even reaching top performance field)?
too big QAQSpyrunite wrote:
WOO we finally got the PP graphs again
It's likely because more people gain ranks faster than you, thus you drop in ranks (to prove that your pp shouldn't change much, if at all)Kukuthemoogle wrote:
Hey, I've been reading this thread to figure out why my rank keeps dropping when I beat old scores and songs, and I found the answer to that, but I've also been having another problem. Recently when I play new songs on hard or normal, and I fc it(without ever playing this map before) I'll lose a lot of ranks. Is it because I've been playing a lot of insane maps lately? I have no idea.
Also, I'm sorry if this question has been answered, I haven't been able to find the answer anywhere.
You don't earn too many points from hards or normals so others probably were overtaking your scores. The ranks are generally unstable due to some people being far more active then others.Kukuthemoogle wrote:
Recently when I play new songs on hard or normal, and I fc it(without ever playing this map before) I'll lose a lot of ranks. Is it because I've been playing a lot of insane maps lately? I have no idea.
others probably were overtaking your scoresNo, score doesn't even matter for ppv2.When you achieve a score on a map other players scores have no effect on your PP.
Recently when I play new songs on hard or normal, and I fc it(without ever playing this map before) I'll lose a lot of ranks. Is it because I've been playing a lot of insane maps lately? I have no idea.PPv2 updates everytime you set a score. What you are seeing is just other players passing you in pp during the time between scores.
This explains the 50% difference in my tp and pp rank then. Although tbh, I reckon maps which have a decent value in all sections is a lot easier than maps which excel in one area.Tom94 wrote:
Apart from the fact, that in pp the 3 sections are not just totaled, this is true. The reason why it's not exactly like tp is, because I feel it's just as wrong to only look at single aspects of scores in isolation as it is to look at a totaled value only. Scores which demand skill in all 3 categories should also be rewarded.
Currently the pp a score is worth is computed by the following formula: (aim^X + speed^X + acc^X)^(1/X)
Where X at the moment is 1.1 and will likely rise a bit in the future.
Don't fear, just keep improving. If you keep playing it safe, you take longer to improve. I still can't play HD properly either, but I just retry a few more times to make up for it, and eventually beat my non-HD accuracies after another 5 FC's or so with HD on.Myke B wrote:
I often find myself not wanting to try and beat my score on a high acc score. For example: if I have 100% on a song that I know I can beat with HD - I often won't do it, in fear that that I will lose PP :/
Ranking has nothing to do with pp gained.TMoI wrote:
To those who said that their highest scores were C's; check how many misses you got in them, percentage does not matter nearly as much as how many misses or 50s you got.
Also, I just want to make sure; does pp directly correlate with ranking? I feel like it doesn't, and I want to know what else factors into ranking.
pp is just a quantity rewarded for completing maps depending on their difficultyTMoI wrote:
To those who said that their highest scores were C's; check how many misses you got in them, percentage does not matter nearly as much as how many misses or 50s you got.
Also, I just want to make sure; does pp directly correlate with ranking? I feel like it doesn't, and I want to know what else factors into ranking.
only the highest rank is used for each beatmap.Myke B wrote:
So Tom said it takes into account all scores, not just top 50 - so does that mean if I get a 99% with HDDT and another score on the same map with 100% DT, does it count them both or just the HDDT one? if they don't, would it be a good idea to? Like what if you can beat a map with DT and you can also beat it with FL but not together, should that person get PP for both or would that be a bad idea.
what? that doesn't answer what I asked lol. whether the score is online or offline has nothing to do what I asked. I asked if multiple scores on the same map are considered, and if not, would it be a bad idea (which now I obviously would say yeah, because of farming the same map).buny wrote:
obviously when he said all scores, he meant all your online scores, regardless of rank...
depends on what combo you are holding at the time, and acc. Generally speaking, it doesn't matter where you miss the notes specifically.Novixion wrote:
Does missing 5 notes at the same time penalize you as much as missing 5 notes in 5 different places throughout the map? (Same acc)
you do realise that the only online scores are your best scores, right?Myke B wrote:
what? that doesn't answer what I asked lol. whether the score is online or offline has nothing to do what I asked. I asked if multiple scores on the same map are considered, and if not, would it be a bad idea (which now I obviously would say yeah, because of farming the same map).buny wrote:
obviously when he said all scores, he meant all your online scores, regardless of rank...
You lost pp because you replaced your records with worse ones. The score rank you get in each map doesn't matter.Nina_Winlan wrote:
After talking about it with a friend, he seems to think that its my 'leaderboard PP' being recalculated from people beating my scores all over the place, despite having very few scores under 1k on the leaderboard, and im online when this recalculation happens. This would explain it for the second one, because I got rank 44 on a new beatmap 2 days ago (im now 314), but it still doesn't do much to explain the first one.
So. Am I just playing accuracy weighted maps and suffering a huge drop for a small drop in accuracy %, or are the few high-ranking scores I do have just being beaten alot recently thus the (big for me) drop in PP
So it was as I thought, that's kinda annoying, but thanks for the clarification.Full Tablet wrote:
You lost pp because you replaced your records with worse ones. The score rank you get in each map doesn't matter.
Your maximum combo is the value that matters. One combo of 300 is worth more than 2 combos of 280.
As mentioned like a billion times already ([AirCoN] wrote:
@Tom: The system should only take into account your best performance on each map, not the best score.
) it's not possible to do this at the moment. I wish it was.Kreto wrote:
I just dont understand why my rank rose before the patch to 41k rank from 53k then after the patch my rank was risen to like 75k wat is this -_-
It was probably recalculating something. Judging by your Performance Graph you were actually at 75K the entire time.Kreto wrote:
I just dont understand why my rank rose before the patch to 41k rank from 53k then after the patch my rank was risen to like 75k wat is this -_-
i meant before patch V2 came outEkaru wrote:
It was probably recalculating something. Judging by your Performance Graph you were actually at 75K the entire time.Kreto wrote:
I just dont understand why my rank rose before the patch to 41k rank from 53k then after the patch my rank was risen to like 75k wat is this -_-
my play countUltrayano wrote:
Kreto wrote:
I just dont understand why my rank rose before the patch to 41k rank from 53k then after the patch my rank was risen to like 75k wat is this -_-Play Insanes then you understand ...
At your Playcount I was Rank 110k
And ye recalculating ...
yea i know but i was higher rank and stuff just watneed to know why thx for the reply Insanes i do play some but not all plus i only use mouse no keyboard no tablet. Well since ur really good ^-^ gL in your ranking nice uh signature is it ^-^Only Mouse ? o.o Good Luck in your osu! careerKreto wrote:
my play count
There are mouse only players better than you and I.Ultrayano wrote:
Only Mouse ? o.o Good Luck in your osu! careerKreto wrote:
my play count
And ~thanks~
I know (: Players like ChangEMyke B wrote:
There are mouse only players better than you and I.
Mouse is more fun.Ultrayano wrote:
Kreto wrote:
Only Mouse ? o.o Good Luck in your osu! career
And ~thanks~
"Fun" is subjective.rexcannon_iii wrote:
Mouse is more fun.
Tom94 wrote:
Stay on-topic, please. This thread is for pp feedback.
I can't answer all those "when" questions. Programming and especially coming up with ideas for an algorithm is not something that can be nailed down to Tuesday 14:00.rexcannon_iii wrote:
Tom94 wrote:
Stay on-topic, please. This thread is for pp feedback.
Ok then, I'll ask again.
When are you going to implement complex finger work into the pp calculation?
I believe I wrote quite a bit about that kind of stuff in the thread already. I hope I can get pattern difficulty inside, in addition to the obligatory tweaking of weightings of course.Myke B wrote:
What kind of modifications are you still looking to do with the ranking system? assuming there are any.
You might consider updating the first post with answers to commonly asked questions, to hopefully decrease the number of already-answered questions.Tom94 wrote:
I believe I wrote quite a bit about that kind of stuff in the thread already.
It'd be cool to do so, but the way the system works right now (calculating a single pp value per player) those can't be displayed seperately at the moment. It would be cool to have something like that, but the top priority is at least making the system functional for all modes first and integrating it into star difficulty.Doge wrote:
These probably have been answered before somewhere in the thread, but I don't think I would be able to find it in 40+ pages of "mouse is more fun" etc.
-Do you ever intend to display player attributes on profiles or the performance ranking, like the aim/speed/accuracy player ratings shown on the tp rankings?
I hope I can make star rating change with selected mods. Displaying stuff like aim/speed seperately is probably not going to happen sooo soon, if it happens at all.Doge wrote:
-What about the aim/speed difficulties of modded maps within the client? For example, I scroll through my maps and choose some map. Then I turn on DT EZ FL (or some obscure mod combination). From what I've heard, there are plans to display aim/speed difficulties of maps on their respective webpages, but covering all mod combinations on the webpage would require some significant modifications. What I'm getting at is a numerical value displayed somewhere in song select (most likely in the top left where the length/# of objects, etc are shown) that changes as you switch mods, much like the Global Ranking (Selected Mods) tab.
Yup, but that's in the far future.Doge wrote:
-Is there anything planned in the difficulty calculations regarding difficult patterns such as tornadoes?
You're welcome.Doge wrote:
Thanks again for delivering the justice of skill ranking.
