btw seriously guys, if someone has information that can bring us to a 1v1, that would be optimal for today's lynch mechanic
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I am sorry if I seemed to go just along with the flow, though I can assure you that wasn't my intention. I still think my reasons for voting farto were legit, I personally don't think the reasons were so weak o.o also I've already explained why I jumped in Jinxy's vagon.Raging Bull wrote:
FoS on Kevin
I feel like he's just going along with the flow from Jinxy wagon and to a lesser extend with him voting on fartownik. Even though the massclaim was controversial, it seemed like he just voted for him and see if fartownik would get lynched.
Anyways I won't vote for now, I want to see first what will happen this day before jumping into conclusions.
/me worst. Decision. Ever.
Btw:
Vote1: fartownik
Still have no idea for vote2.
Osu!arcade machine? Wow.Sephibro wrote:
oh look at what i found
Btw:
Vote1: fartownik
Still have no idea for vote2.
No, he just posted that because I'm in that video. but seriously
Raging Bull wrote:
wat the hell does that have to do with anything.
no they're frostmourne and raging bullCTs-Th wrote:
Osu!arcade machine? Wow.
btw, mind to post some content? you barely posted any so far
@kevincela and rEdo tooSephibro wrote:
btw, mind to post some content? you barely posted any so far
Gosh, I kept confusing about day1 topic.
I don't know why pieguy said jinxy+farto even he suspected farto,as fuck.
And, I voted farto because he said that pieguy is scum.
I'll need to read everything again before I vote the second one. Exam's coming up. (Right after new year
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I don't know why pieguy said jinxy+farto even he suspected farto,as fuck.
And, I voted farto because he said that pieguy is scum.
I'll need to read everything again before I vote the second one. Exam's coming up. (Right after new year
)Oh, one thing that I noticed is that some of you guys claimed CTs to be town thanks to "his reaction" at D1. But... are we really sure a scum couldn't act like that as well? It doesen't really seem a really good reason to claim he is actually a townie. Also, if my reasons and Irre's ones are "weak" on accusing fartownik, then also CTs' reasons don't seem to be that solid either, as he said in the post aboce "I voted farto because he said pieguy is scum". I'm starting to suspect him a bit there...
oh yeah, Caligno's vote on fartownik right in the end on D1 is quite suspicious, as he claimed various times he wasn't going to take part in the plan of "voting to make someone lynched by Jinxy", or am I wrong? What made you change idea and directly vote fartownik, Caligno?
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 2.1
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
rEdo (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
Not Voting (10) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-1|2, Raging Bull-2, Sephibro-2, fartownik-1|2, pieguy1372-1|2, rEdo-1|2
Add my ISO to the first post.
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
rEdo (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
Not Voting (10) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-1|2, Raging Bull-2, Sephibro-2, fartownik-1|2, pieguy1372-1|2, rEdo-1|2
Add my ISO to the first post.
add rEdo, he hasn't posted in 3 days on this topicSephibro wrote:
{farto, calignobot, pieguy, tanz} i think that 2 scum are among these
Because I was 100% sure that fartownik was by far the best kill target at that point in time.-kevincela- wrote:
oh yeah, Caligno's vote on fartownik right in the end on D1 is quite suspicious, as he claimed various times he wasn't going to take part in the plan of "voting to make someone lynched by Jinxy", or am I wrong? What made you change idea and directly vote fartownik, Caligno?
Okay, I have a few thoughts.
1. We should definitely lynch one of fartownik+rEdo, but NOT both. There's a significant amount of information in one that will be lost if we kill both.
2. If we ever want a lurker lynch, I don't think we'll get a better day to.
3. Does anyone have a list of who was on which wagon at the end of the day?
4. I'm not voting yet.
@mod: Asking for a replacement. In all honesity, I've lost the interest in this game at the half of D1. Just wanted to see if Nyquill flips scum 
:D:D:
:D:D:i don't see such a strong association between themCalignoBot wrote:
1. We should definitely lynch one of fartownik+rEdo, but NOT both. There's a significant amount of information in one that will be lost if we kill both.
I'm pretty damn sure that if one is scum, the other is by far the next most likely to be scum.
Just play it till the end rEdo, seems really bad enough to join and lose interest.
prod dodge
too tired to think about this game right now sry = =
too tired to think about this game right now sry = =
oh that "by far" confused me
but again, why that association? i want to understand it
but again, why that association? i want to understand it
vote2:pieguy
Well his reaction to me seemed very towny since he was rather confused on why people started claiming him as conf town, especially since Calingo and I voted for him and he's like wtf why me.-kevincela- wrote:
Oh, one thing that I noticed is that some of you guys claimed CTs to be town thanks to "his reaction" at D1. But... are we really sure a scum couldn't act like that as well? It doesen't really seem a really good reason to claim he is actually a townie. Also, if my reasons and Irre's ones are "weak" on accusing fartownik, then also CTs' reasons don't seem to be that solid either, as he said in the post aboce "I voted farto because he said pieguy is scum". I'm starting to suspect him a bit there...
It's my first time playing King Maker. 
That's why I just want to stay back and watch.
Btw, my reason for voting farto wasn't clear.
For his meta, he usually said "xxx is scum/my partner" before he really flipped scum. I just hope that it'll be the same in this game.
(In fact, I rather don't like his scumpaint method, it just make me wanna lynch him even he's town or not.)
Exam this week, hopefully I can post some content soon or later.
That's why I just want to stay back and watch.
Btw, my reason for voting farto wasn't clear.
For his meta, he usually said "xxx is scum/my partner" before he really flipped scum. I just hope that it'll be the same in this game.
(In fact, I rather don't like his scumpaint method, it just make me wanna lynch him even he's town or not.)
Exam this week, hopefully I can post some content soon or later.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 2.2
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
rEdo (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
pieguy1372 (1) - Raging Bull-2
Not Voting (9) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-1|2, Sephibro-2, fartownik-1|2, pieguy1372-1|2, rEdo-1|2
Sent prods
Looking for rEdo replacement
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
rEdo (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
pieguy1372 (1) - Raging Bull-2
Not Voting (9) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-1|2, Sephibro-2, fartownik-1|2, pieguy1372-1|2, rEdo-1|2
Sent prods
Looking for rEdo replacement
this whole post actually makes no sense at allCTs-Th wrote:
It's my first time playing King Maker.
That's why I just want to stay back and watch.
Btw, my reason for voting farto wasn't clear.
For his meta, he usually said "xxx is scum/my partner" before he really flipped scum. I just hope that it'll be the same in this game.
(In fact, I rather don't like his scumpaint method, it just make me wanna lynch him even he's town or not.)
Exam this week, hopefully I can post some content soon or later.
Hm i don^'t know really, but wtf reDo, you can't be serious.. I mean you could just Keep playing, but no. Too much Drama anyway in this game, probably it's better that you're gone.
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Ok, my Laptop sucks (he also causes These random capital letters)
Vote1: Tanzklaue
He was involved in the Nyquill "wagon", and now jumps off to reDo, who was involved there too, idk, just some thought at the Moment. As for my second vote, I'd like to wait until farto Posts something again.
Vote1: Tanzklaue
He was involved in the Nyquill "wagon", and now jumps off to reDo, who was involved there too, idk, just some thought at the Moment. As for my second vote, I'd like to wait until farto Posts something again.
Sephi:
CalignoBot wrote:
If this guy flips scum, we're lynching rEdo tomorrow. They had similar methods of trying to brute force their opinion across and rEdo's every mention of fartownik in this post is literally fluff.
Then my read on rEdo switches to being entirely on his own play. I do find both of them scummy in their own right, but it's less strong than their association.
why me? also, why tanz?Sephibro wrote:
{farto, calignobot, pieguy, tanz} i think that 2 scum are among these
farto is still scum. my read on jinxy was based off farto, but seems it was me being paranoid. the connection was they rushed a wagon on Jinxy and then Jinxy chose Nyquill over farto when it was even. Jinxy was null independently of farto. explain the farto + tanz association?Raging Bull wrote:
Hmm
@pieguy, jumping back on this post of yours https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2772259 Jinxy is town, so what now about farto? I'm not seeing much connection between farto and jinxy in the first place. If there was supposedly a connection, I would assume farto and tanz instead.
I thought they were both scum > <CTs-Th wrote:
Gosh, I kept confusing about day1 topic.
I don't know why pieguy said jinxy+farto even he suspected farto,as fuck.
And, I voted farto because he said that pieguy is scum.
I'll need to read everything again before I vote the second one. Exam's coming up. (Right after new year
I'm scared of this post. it seems like flow-going 0.0 first he disagreed with the idea that the reasons were weak, then when he changed his mind he redirected onto CTs. explain why you changed your mind plz?-kevincela- wrote:
Oh, one thing that I noticed is that some of you guys claimed CTs to be town thanks to "his reaction" at D1. But... are we really sure a scum couldn't act like that as well? It doesen't really seem a really good reason to claim he is actually a townie. Also, if my reasons and Irre's ones are "weak" on accusing fartownik, then also CTs' reasons don't seem to be that solid either, as he said in the post aboce "I voted farto because he said pieguy is scum". I'm starting to suspect him a bit there...
thisCalignoBot wrote:
2. If we ever want a lurker lynch, I don't think we'll get a better day to.
who do you thik is scum in the lurkers? also, what's your thoughts on kevin?
explain plzRaging Bull wrote:
vote2:pieguy
what exactly is your read on CTs?Sephibro wrote:
this whole post actually makes no sense at all
I'm very ok with either farto or rEdo (preferably farto), but not putting him at L-1 till we have the farto/rEdo worked out in case we don't wanna lynch both of them at once
I have townreads of varying degrees on CTs, RB, Tanz, and Caligno. getting paranoid of sephi bc my townread on him went stale and now it feels like he might be trying to lynch low hanging fruit. idk about anyone else. someone ask me a question
Uh, where did I say that I changed my mind? I haven't changed my mind at all, I started suspecting CTs because most of you were considering him town when he also jumped on the Jinxy wagon without explaining any reason and his reasons to vote fartownik where even weaker than mines and Irre's ones that you guys already consider weak. I really can't see how suspecting CTs is related to changing mind there tbh o.o I still disagree with the fact that my reasons were weak, but that doesen't necessarily mean that accusing another person is considered changing mind. Also, I have yet to understand why my post is flow-going there....
Yup, it's a prod dodge.Sephibro wrote:
this whole post actually makes no sense at all
Well, it's pretty boring.
Sorry, I didn't explain that.-kevincela- wrote:
I started suspecting CTs because most of you were considering him town when he also jumped on the Jinxy wagon without explaining any reason and his reasons to vote fartownik where even weaker than mines and Irre's ones that you guys already consider weak.?
Or I did?
No more that this. Lied. I voted him so that I don't have to be a leader too. Seriously, a newbie like me is a leader?CTs-Th wrote:
I almost forgot...
Vote: Jinxy
So we can take a vote seriously from now on.
@pieguy, I'm not sure why, but the interaction between Tanz and farto during massclaim struck me as odd. farto seemed rather convinced Tanz is town pretty easily. My scum read is currently one between both of them, but definitely not both.''
and the vote is because this kinda struck me odd. Seems like you were scum painting farto and Nyquill at the end of D1, but I'm sure Nyquill was the first to have more votes, which was the reason why he hammered Nyquill and not farto.
Currently my scum reads are pieguy, farto/tanz. Irre/kevin to a lesser extent (null scum)
and the vote is because this kinda struck me odd. Seems like you were scum painting farto and Nyquill at the end of D1, but I'm sure Nyquill was the first to have more votes, which was the reason why he hammered Nyquill and not farto.
Currently my scum reads are pieguy, farto/tanz. Irre/kevin to a lesser extent (null scum)
i should see him scum once, his playstyle has been similar through all the games he played so far, and since he's a newbie i think it would be very noticeable if he rolled scumpieguy1372 wrote:
what exactly is your read on CTs?
Caligno: would you show me exactly what made that association so strong to you?
I'm sorry, but I've got shitton of stuff to do at University right now + my main PC is broken. My activity will be minimal to none for one more day or two.
I will get into this game again with full power after this time.
I will get into this game again with full power after this time.
guys we need more activity, deadline is in ~4 days
@mod: prod proddables
@mod: prod proddables
Topic Starter
Prodded everyone who could be prodded.
The machine beeps, "If you all don't start being active again, I'm cutting the deadline to two days from now."
The machine beeps, "If you all don't start being active again, I'm cutting the deadline to two days from now."
why did i get prodded again? i just recently posted
At least post once every 24 hours. I feel like the game is waiting on fart or pieguy atm.
Inb4 Cutting down deadline doesn't make anybody be more active, I guess.
Anybody wanna start new topic?
Anybody wanna start new topic?
woop
I still want to think a bit about on who to vote, I'll probably express my opinions soon
I still want to think a bit about on who to vote, I'll probably express my opinions soon
I will probably reread this, since i am too involved with touhou mafia to really follow this game that much.
No more that this. Lied. I voted him so that I don't have to be a leader too. Seriously, a newbie like me is a leader?[/quote]CTs-Th wrote:
I almost forgot...
Vote: Jinxy
So we can take a vote seriously from now on.
Very weak. There was no danger of you being voted leader anytime soon at that point. Scumpoints.
1. Both tried to stifle discussion in the same way. If mafia formulated a plan, I could see more than one of them trying to make sure nothing interferes with that plan at any cost.Sephibro wrote:
i should see him scum once, his playstyle has been similar through all the games he played so far, and since he's a newbie i think it would be very noticeable if he rolled scumpieguy1372 wrote:
what exactly is your read on CTs?
Caligno: would you show me exactly what made that association so strong to you?
2. Look at rEdo's post, specifically the one I responded to in detail. Try to get any kind of read on fartownik from that post. It's literally impossible.
3. fartownik's only mention of rEdo thus far is a random null-town read when the latter had pretty much done fuck all in the game so far. It sticks out pretty hard when you consider he tried to attack my town read on CTs when he had posted a similar amount.
I'll have to answer this after reading again. I may or may not have been tunneling a bit. Only real read I can give you off-hand is that CTs is firmly in null territory now, maaaaaybe a small amount of scum in it. It's not enough to make me excited about lynching him, but it's enough if I can't get any solid reads on any of the other lurkers.pieguy1372 wrote:
thisCalignoBot wrote:
2. If we ever want a lurker lynch, I don't think we'll get a better day to.
who do you thik is scum in the lurkers? also, what's your thoughts on kevin?
The first quote has two CTs quotes inside each other if anyone is confused.
in the meantime, who would you guys use your 2 vote for and why?
I feel uncomfortable by the fact how much farto and pieguy buddy with me.
srsly, they gave me town passes pretty quickly for pretty much nothing, especially considering how often i misread things or forgot things (boh indicators for lack of motivation, which in turn is more likely for scum than for town).
also pieguy lurks the shit out of this game.
redo is really a mystery. he replaces out now, and i wouldn't be happy to replace into his situation.
irre also pings me, he just never makes sense in his mafia games (no offense) and his vote on me seems really lackluster.
RB is by now kinda null-town, not enough activity though for a solid townread.
cts and kevin are both kinda blank, both of them are null.
cb is pretty town and sephi leans town heavily. (though cb still living could be uber-osu!-mafia-meta read as he is scum since he survived a night ;P)
though i also could see cb and sephi as scum team which takes heavily advantage of an inactive town by directing the lynch to every person they seem fit.
my votes stay on redo and farto for the time being, and i hope that more activity will bring more clarity.
srsly, they gave me town passes pretty quickly for pretty much nothing, especially considering how often i misread things or forgot things (boh indicators for lack of motivation, which in turn is more likely for scum than for town).
also pieguy lurks the shit out of this game.
redo is really a mystery. he replaces out now, and i wouldn't be happy to replace into his situation.
irre also pings me, he just never makes sense in his mafia games (no offense) and his vote on me seems really lackluster.
RB is by now kinda null-town, not enough activity though for a solid townread.
cts and kevin are both kinda blank, both of them are null.
cb is pretty town and sephi leans town heavily. (though cb still living could be uber-osu!-mafia-meta read as he is scum since he survived a night ;P)
though i also could see cb and sephi as scum team which takes heavily advantage of an inactive town by directing the lynch to every person they seem fit.
my votes stay on redo and farto for the time being, and i hope that more activity will bring more clarity.
fuck this is ridiculous
I was v/la around when the game started bc finals and shit. plus I'm in a shitton of games over at MS =.=Tanzklaue wrote:
also pieguy lurks the shit out of this game.
no right before he executed Nyquill he said he thought Nyquill was scummier. but turns out it was just me being paranoid again. oh wellRaging Bull wrote:
and the vote is because this kinda struck me odd. Seems like you were scum painting farto and Nyquill at the end of D1, but I'm sure Nyquill was the first to have more votes, which was the reason why he hammered Nyquill and not farto.
Raging Bull wrote:
in the meantime, who would you guys use your 2 vote for and why?
farto
and idk who else. prob kevin? I'd also be fine with farto/rEdo
and idk who else. prob kevin? I'd also be fine with farto/rEdo
Re-reading all the game right now. Back in some time.
After 11 pages of reading I'm pretty sure Caligno is scum.
Will be leaving these notes after certain points of time in the game, it's pretty handy.
Will be leaving these notes after certain points of time in the game, it's pretty handy.
Caligno seriously spammed over 5 or more pages about the Leader voting in D1, making the game slow as shit.
It's pretty damn hard to analyze what's going on when 11 out of 12 players called you scum for all the reasons possible (D1).
One scum is in Caligno FOR SURE. Both his scumreads for D1 were Town (me and Nyquill), and they were not even strong. The Nyquill case started off from Caligno's pushing him in the beginning of the game, it was pretty unnatural. Also he has slowed down the game with a completely irrelevant discussion about the Leader voting (a fake try to gain some towncred from it). Seriously, IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL yet you made it so huge that the whole D1 became concerned about it, people eventually losing interest in the game and their judgment being not fresh resulting in a mislynch on Nyquill.
Literally all non-setup-speculation points of Caligno are flawed and stink.
Second scum is most likely in pieguy, though RB is also kinda possible. I'd stick to pieguy though. Damn, he seriously picks up to me and Nyquill for even shittier reasons than Caligno. He's so sure of his very-early-game read on CTs that he calls us both scum for calling otherwise. Indirectly supports Caligno as well since his read was the same.
Third will be in either CTs, kevincela or Irre. I wouldn't want to risk another Irre mislynch though since he always plays like this. Purely anti-town and not helpful, still possible to be scum.
p/2768839
CTs-Th does something he's never done before - an analyzing wall of text! It's even better that the wall of text doesn't contain anything useful. This guy's playstyle feels kinda different from what he showed in previous games, and I don't quite like it.
Though CTs still might be just a victim of pieguy's/Caligno's play. Both have readed him as scum very early and STRONGLY for barely a reason. This might've affected my judgment on him so I guess a safer option for third scum would be Kevincela, maybe rEdo but he's a lurker. Seriously, replace him.
Also I just noticed how lucky was I when JInxy executed Nyquill 2 minutes before Caligno's pvote on me. This game might've turned out completely different.
Vote1: Caligno
Vote2: pieguy
Sheep please.
One scum is in Caligno FOR SURE. Both his scumreads for D1 were Town (me and Nyquill), and they were not even strong. The Nyquill case started off from Caligno's pushing him in the beginning of the game, it was pretty unnatural. Also he has slowed down the game with a completely irrelevant discussion about the Leader voting (a fake try to gain some towncred from it). Seriously, IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL yet you made it so huge that the whole D1 became concerned about it, people eventually losing interest in the game and their judgment being not fresh resulting in a mislynch on Nyquill.
Literally all non-setup-speculation points of Caligno are flawed and stink.
Second scum is most likely in pieguy, though RB is also kinda possible. I'd stick to pieguy though. Damn, he seriously picks up to me and Nyquill for even shittier reasons than Caligno. He's so sure of his very-early-game read on CTs that he calls us both scum for calling otherwise. Indirectly supports Caligno as well since his read was the same.
Third will be in either CTs, kevincela or Irre. I wouldn't want to risk another Irre mislynch though since he always plays like this. Purely anti-town and not helpful, still possible to be scum.
p/2768839
CTs-Th does something he's never done before - an analyzing wall of text! It's even better that the wall of text doesn't contain anything useful. This guy's playstyle feels kinda different from what he showed in previous games, and I don't quite like it.
Though CTs still might be just a victim of pieguy's/Caligno's play. Both have readed him as scum very early and STRONGLY for barely a reason. This might've affected my judgment on him so I guess a safer option for third scum would be Kevincela, maybe rEdo but he's a lurker. Seriously, replace him.
Also I just noticed how lucky was I when JInxy executed Nyquill 2 minutes before Caligno's pvote on me. This game might've turned out completely different.
Vote1: Caligno
Vote2: pieguy
Sheep please.
I think i'm going to rethink my reads while i sleep. thinking about it some things aren't as sure as i thought them to be.
lalala
1. There was nothing unnatural about me pushing Nyquill. Both he and you completely went overboard on something I said and I didn't let that fly. It was essentially dropped when the misunderstanding was cleared up.
2. The leader voting issue was me attempting to make the best possible use of the mechanics, and virtually nobody listened to me. I've commented on this countless times, yet you're completely ignoring that again to try to spin it against me. If anything, simply brushing it off like you tried to do instead of trying to disprove my case shows a lot more. Also, guess what; it makes a lot more sense to do this as scum than town.
3. You're just spinning shit out of nothing. The whole D1 became concerned about it? No one addressed it. People lost interest in the game? Good luck proving that I'm the reason for that, since a lot of people were sheeping since before I started parading about why it was a bad idea.
4. "judgment being not fresh resulting in a mislynch on Nyquill" <- You do realize that the only person this literally would ever apply to is Jinxy, right? Think whatever you want about how the day worked, but Jinxy is the only voice with a vote when it comes down to it. Literally no one else's voice meant jack shit.
So, let me ask you a question. If my posts (or at least some of them) about setup speculation aren't 'flawed and stink', then why did you try to dismiss them so handily yesterday?
Really? I find it easiest to read people when they're attacking me.fartownik wrote:
It's pretty damn hard to analyze what's going on when 11 out of 12 players called you scum for all the reasons possible (D1).
This is disgustingly wrong.fartownik wrote:
One scum is in Caligno FOR SURE. Both his scumreads for D1 were Town (me and Nyquill), and they were not even strong. The Nyquill case started off from Caligno's pushing him in the beginning of the game, it was pretty unnatural. Also he has slowed down the game with a completely irrelevant discussion about the Leader voting (a fake try to gain some towncred from it). Seriously, IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL yet you made it so huge that the whole D1 became concerned about it, people eventually losing interest in the game and their judgment being not fresh resulting in a mislynch on Nyquill.
1. There was nothing unnatural about me pushing Nyquill. Both he and you completely went overboard on something I said and I didn't let that fly. It was essentially dropped when the misunderstanding was cleared up.
2. The leader voting issue was me attempting to make the best possible use of the mechanics, and virtually nobody listened to me. I've commented on this countless times, yet you're completely ignoring that again to try to spin it against me. If anything, simply brushing it off like you tried to do instead of trying to disprove my case shows a lot more. Also, guess what; it makes a lot more sense to do this as scum than town.
3. You're just spinning shit out of nothing. The whole D1 became concerned about it? No one addressed it. People lost interest in the game? Good luck proving that I'm the reason for that, since a lot of people were sheeping since before I started parading about why it was a bad idea.
4. "judgment being not fresh resulting in a mislynch on Nyquill" <- You do realize that the only person this literally would ever apply to is Jinxy, right? Think whatever you want about how the day worked, but Jinxy is the only voice with a vote when it comes down to it. Literally no one else's voice meant jack shit.
Very interesting statement. Not only do you not elaborate on any of this, but you also specifically exclude the posts that you were attacking just a minute ago.fartownik wrote:
Literally all non-setup-speculation points of Caligno are flawed and stink.
So, let me ask you a question. If my posts (or at least some of them) about setup speculation aren't 'flawed and stink', then why did you try to dismiss them so handily yesterday?
I'm not going into any 1v1 fights here. I will only answer you generally since you're defending with walls of text and generally use them to lazy up the game.
I've just browsed the entire game from the scratch, the feeling that you're scum has accompanied me from the beginning. I'm not going to change my mind off of any discussion with you, sorry. The people will decide whether they listen to me or not.
The only point I'd like to address is the setup speculation thing. I didn't agree with your points from yesterday, and that's about it. Your points weren't alignment-indicative because even if scum got the Leader position themselves, it wouldn't really matter. It was simply null and I didn't take your opinion into consideration while writing my previous post and establishing my read on you. I only counted your intentions and what you caused with your insisting on that discussion, which in the end was absolutely irrelevant.
Also I feel like I just put a cat among the pigeons.
I've just browsed the entire game from the scratch, the feeling that you're scum has accompanied me from the beginning. I'm not going to change my mind off of any discussion with you, sorry. The people will decide whether they listen to me or not.
The only point I'd like to address is the setup speculation thing. I didn't agree with your points from yesterday, and that's about it. Your points weren't alignment-indicative because even if scum got the Leader position themselves, it wouldn't really matter. It was simply null and I didn't take your opinion into consideration while writing my previous post and establishing my read on you. I only counted your intentions and what you caused with your insisting on that discussion, which in the end was absolutely irrelevant.
Also I feel like I just put a cat among the pigeons.
Posting now because fuck firefox for not posting this an hour ago when I wanted to.
RE: Lurker reads
I started writing the post and had to leave halfway for urgent business, so I'll just post the reads themselves right now and go into more detail late since my mind has decided to shut off for the night.
Town
-kevincela-
Irreversible
Raging Bull
CTs-Th
Tanzklaue
pieguy1372
Scum
These are relative only to each other. I'll explain what the reads themselves are when I get around to it.
RE: Lurker reads
I started writing the post and had to leave halfway for urgent business, so I'll just post the reads themselves right now and go into more detail late since my mind has decided to shut off for the night.
Town
-kevincela-
Irreversible
Raging Bull
CTs-Th
Tanzklaue
pieguy1372
Scum
These are relative only to each other. I'll explain what the reads themselves are when I get around to it.
Actually I did once in Multiball, but I didn't analyse everyone like this time. (It's gonna be useless for a while, I need more practising. ;_;)fartownik wrote:
CTs-Th does something he's never done before - an analyzing wall of text! It's even better that the wall of text doesn't contain anything useful.
Eh, really? I didn't notice that.fartownik wrote:
This guy's playstyle feels kinda different from what he showed in previous games, and I don't quite like it.
But that's good, for you guys can't meta me.
For the second vote, I think I'll vote CB. But later.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 2.3
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
Tsukasa (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
pieguy1372 (1) - Raging Bull-2, fartownik-2
Tanzklaue (1) - Irreversible-1
CalignoBot (1) - fartownik-1
Not Voting (11) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-2, Sephibro-2, pieguy1372-1|2, Tsukasa-1|2
Tsukasa is replacing rEdo!
Edit: Fixed Irreversible's vote.
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, Sephibro-1, CTs-Th-1
Tsukasa (2) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1
pieguy1372 (1) - Raging Bull-2, fartownik-2
Tanzklaue (1) - Irreversible-1
CalignoBot (1) - fartownik-1
Not Voting (11) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, CalignoBot-1|2, Irreversible-2, Sephibro-2, pieguy1372-1|2, Tsukasa-1|2
Tsukasa is replacing rEdo!
Edit: Fixed Irreversible's vote.
Hiya guys.
I'll be reading the whole game probably tomorrow, since it's about 10pm here and I have school.
A short summary of things should be nice.
Just to fill things up for me and I will know what to look for
I'll be reading the whole game probably tomorrow, since it's about 10pm here and I have school.
A short summary of things should be nice.
Just to fill things up for me and I will know what to look for
oh and if someone says
"This guy scum, vote him pl0x"
A short summary on why he is is much appreciated.
Unless I have already read and caught up
"This guy scum, vote him pl0x"
A short summary on why he is is much appreciated.
Unless I have already read and caught up
I voted Tanzklaue, didn't I?
farto, could you exactly explain why I'm third on the possible scum list? I'm just wondering
also hi there Tsukasa
also hi there Tsukasa
unvote1
vote1: CalignoBot
farto: why wasn't your pvote on anyone at the end of d1?
vote1: CalignoBot
farto: why wasn't your pvote on anyone at the end of d1?
Kevincela: I don't get any real scum vibe from this slot at all, actually. I'm not really sure why this guy's getting flak since I see a genuine town feel from his posts.CalignoBot wrote:
Posting now because fuck firefox for not posting this an hour ago when I wanted to.
RE: Lurker reads
I started writing the post and had to leave halfway for urgent business, so I'll just post the reads themselves right now and go into more detail late since my mind has decided to shut off for the night.
Town
-kevincela-
Irreversible
Raging Bull
CTs-Th
Tanzklaue
pieguy1372
Scum
These are relative only to each other. I'll explain what the reads themselves are when I get around to it.
Irreversible: Shrug. Mostly gut-town here. Irreversible in general is difficult to read for me.
Raging Bull: Light town read. He's avoided pretty much everything that I'm getting particular scumreads off of, but the way he's playing is too careful for me to be all that reassured by it.
CTs-Th: Town read was stale for a while, and a couple of his latest posts started pinging me a bit. Overall fairly null, but a small amount of scum on it.
Tanzklaue: Basically a nullish-scum read. I'm really irked at the farto+redo vote and some of the D1 things don't sound entirely genuine to me, but I don't get a significant scum vibe from his posts compared to a few other people.
pieguy1372: This guy is not playing anything like he usually does. Not only is he not trying to break the game apart like he usually does, but he's been much more passive with his reads than I remember him ever being. If there's a scum in this list, it's most likely him.
Vote1: fartownik
Vote2: pieguy1372
This game is getting very tiring very fast.
Unvote
Vote1:Sephibro
Vote2:reDo
Sephibro: Keeps asking for prods, actually does nothing. My thoughts are that he wanted to somehow protect reDo, since his votecount is pretty high already, so if more People get suspciion on him (because he's not posting), one of his Partners would be dead.
That also explains my scumread on reDo.
Vote1:Sephibro
Vote2:reDo
Sephibro: Keeps asking for prods, actually does nothing. My thoughts are that he wanted to somehow protect reDo, since his votecount is pretty high already, so if more People get suspciion on him (because he's not posting), one of his Partners would be dead.
That also explains my scumread on reDo.
@irre: i ask for prods becase most people in this game have been lurking too much, there's nobody to talk with and this is becoming really boring
btw with the lynch mechanic we got today would be perfect if we can get an 1v1, and there's one way that could help us achieve that
that's not perfect but if it works we can get one scum lynched
i will propose this as tsukasa catches up and makes a post
btw with the lynch mechanic we got today would be perfect if we can get an 1v1, and there's one way that could help us achieve that
that's not perfect but if it works we can get one scum lynched
i will propose this as tsukasa catches up and makes a post
Because I was inactive?Sephibro wrote:
unvote1
vote1: CalignoBot
farto: why wasn't your pvote on anyone at the end of d1?
Also I wish Tsukasa compares his thoughts with mine after catching up.
Btw I'm heavily against both a rEdo+farto lynch today because it's completely unnecessary. One scumflip on either is enough to make tomorrow's lynch a fairly easy one, and we aren't as fucked if both of them for some reason are town. It's much more prudent to try finding the third scum.
I'm getting a townread on Irreversible now, more because of his vote than his reasoning behind it. This reverses with a fartownik scumflip.
Oh hey, suddenly my reads come into even more focus with fartownik flipping.
I'm getting a townread on Irreversible now, more because of his vote than his reasoning behind it. This reverses with a fartownik scumflip.
Oh hey, suddenly my reads come into even more focus with fartownik flipping.
Replace all rEdo references with Tsukasa.
Speaking of Tsukasa, I would really like your thoughts ASAP when you are available to give them. I'm very interested in what you have to say right now.
Speaking of Tsukasa, I would really like your thoughts ASAP when you are available to give them. I'm very interested in what you have to say right now.
Caligno, do you mind stating the reason of your vote on me? Besides 'cool info from the flip'.
Also, I forgot to mention this post of Caligno from D1. There was no way he could actually judge alignment from what I did there, yet HE DID and he tried to discredit me. A townie wouldn't consider the Leader discussion when judging the alignment.
Caligno, you're pushing townies for the lynch the entire game. I'm sorry, but you're usually better than that when you're Town.
Also, I forgot to mention this post of Caligno from D1. There was no way he could actually judge alignment from what I did there, yet HE DID and he tried to discredit me. A townie wouldn't consider the Leader discussion when judging the alignment.
Caligno, you're pushing townies for the lynch the entire game. I'm sorry, but you're usually better than that when you're Town.
Well, you're technically not third. I judged that by PoE + gut feeling, but it's nowhere close to my scumread on Caligno and pieguy. I added my third scumread but it's irrelevant for today, only two first matter since we've got two lynches today. My third choice might change until tomorrow.-kevincela- wrote:
farto, could you exactly explain why I'm third on the possible scum list? I'm just wondering
also hi there Tsukasa
A lot of it is your demeanor on day one when it came to my idea on how to play Day 1. Ironically, what you quoted is a big part of that.fartownik wrote:
Caligno, do you mind stating the reason of your vote on me? Besides 'cool info from the flip'.
This is exactly the type of post that makes you so obvscum. I did judge alignment from your response because it was scummy as shit. I explained why I felt my idea was better when Sephibro poked at it (which is a town way of thinking in of itself; the content itself erodes a little, but still town sided), and you immediately responded to my entire case and reasoning on why it's better than yours with "NO WE'RE DOING IT MY WAY AND THAT'S THAT NYEHHHHHHH".fartownik wrote:
Also, I forgot to mention this post of Caligno from D1. There was no way he could actually judge alignment from what I did there, yet HE DID and he tried to discredit me. A townie wouldn't consider the Leader discussion when judging the alignment.
Basically, you didn't even try to address my case. You tried to shove it under a rug and brute force your case across. That's what I find so slimy and scum-motivated about it.
You should see some of my mafiascum games. I have far more games where I have shit reads than I have good reads as town.fartownik wrote:
Caligno, you're pushing townies for the lynch the entire game. I'm sorry, but you're usually better than that when you're Town.
Besides, this is a completely fluff point unless you can prove it.
BTW seeing some of Tanzklaue's posts D1 while rereading that general part of the day makes me now willing to lynch him as well.
Thank you for clarifying that. I knew you considered it a scumread.
I mentioned that post because I KNEW it was one of the main factors of your read on me, while for me it's just a silly point. You just confirmed exactly what I was thinking.
So you're going to just state that it's silly instead of trying to explain why.
Got it.
Got it.
Yeah I'm done interacting with you for a while.
It's pretty obvious that the only thing that will ever come of it is a two-step circle.
It's pretty obvious that the only thing that will ever come of it is a two-step circle.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 2.4
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, CTs-Th-1, CalignoBot-1
pieguy1372 (3) - Raging Bull-2, fartownik-2, CalignoBot-2
Tsukasa (3) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1, Irreversible-2
CalignoBot (2) - fartownik-1, Sephibro-1
Sephibro (1) - Irreversible-1
Not Voting (9) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, Irreversible-2, Sephibro-2, pieguy1372-1|2, Tsukasa-1|2
DEADLINE IN ROUGHLY 48 HOURS!
fartownik (3) - Tanzklaue-1, CTs-Th-1, CalignoBot-1
pieguy1372 (3) - Raging Bull-2, fartownik-2, CalignoBot-2
Tsukasa (3) - Tanzklaue-2, Raging Bull-1, Irreversible-2
CalignoBot (2) - fartownik-1, Sephibro-1
Sephibro (1) - Irreversible-1
Not Voting (9) - -kevincela--1|2, CTs-Th-2, Irreversible-2, Sephibro-2, pieguy1372-1|2, Tsukasa-1|2
DEADLINE IN ROUGHLY 48 HOURS!
Make up your mind guys.
Also where's Tsukasa, argh.
Also where's Tsukasa, argh.
nope. I was worried bc it felt like you two were trying to go for an easy lynch. and then I eventually townread Nyquill. nice misrepfartownik wrote:
Second scum is most likely in pieguy, though RB is also kinda possible. I'd stick to pieguy though. Damn, he seriously picks up to me and Nyquill for even shittier reasons than Caligno. He's so sure of his very-early-game read on CTs that he calls us both scum for calling otherwise. Indirectly supports Caligno as well since his read was the same.
whySephibro wrote:
unvote1
vote1: CalignoBot
explain plzCalignoBot wrote:
CTs-Th: Town read was stale for a while, and a couple of his latest posts started pinging me a bit. Overall fairly null, but a small amount of scum on it.
these are all valid observations. I've been lazy as fk this game. finals hit near the start of the game and I've been busy (vacation) after that. plus I'm in like 4 games over at MS > <CalignoBot wrote:
pieguy1372: This guy is not playing anything like he usually does. Not only is he not trying to break the game apart like he usually does, but he's been much more passive with his reads than I remember him ever being. If there's a scum in this list, it's most likely him.
Reason?CTs-Th wrote:
For the second vote, I think I'll vote CB. But later.
1v1 isn't always scum vs town, idk why you would assume that.Sephibro wrote:
btw with the lynch mechanic we got today would be perfect if we can get an 1v1, and there's one way that could help us achieve that
that's not perfect but if it works we can get one scum lynched
and actually pieguy play is unusually passive than usual. He would tend to push random or his gut feeling more often but in this game it is rather inconsistent.
oh yeah
unvote:1/Tsukasa
Anyone keeping a vote on Tsukasa is scummy.
Also @Irre, why the hell do you vote for rEdo and he got replaced? In the end you really just voted for Tsukasa.
unvote:1/Tsukasa
Anyone keeping a vote on Tsukasa is scummy.
Also @Irre, why the hell do you vote for rEdo and he got replaced? In the end you really just voted for Tsukasa.
If someone actually gave me a summary on stuff so I can give better feedback,fartownik wrote:
Make up your mind guys.
Also where's Tsukasa, argh.
But noooooooooooooooooooooo
Just ignore Tsukasa and leave him to corner
So yeah
I have to read a tonne of posts and stuff
Either cooperate, or wait patiently
1 or 6
You won't get a summary since this game is a little mess. I'd advise to read all the pages and THEN read my long post from page before since I've done the same thing. I want to correlate our feedback.
i don't mean a 1v1 like me vs fartoRaging Bull wrote:
1v1 isn't always scum vs town, idk why you would assume that.
this acception of 1v1 was town vs scum
it is easy for scum to townread the right peoplepieguy1372 wrote:
nope. I was worried bc it felt like you two were trying to go for an easy lynch. and then I eventually townread Nyquill. nice misrep
why notpieguy1372 wrote:
whySephibro wrote:
unvote1
vote1: CalignoBot
oh btw tsukasa, this reminds me of information mafia, where i replaced you, read 42 pages and fartscumik killed me right after
Unvote2: Tsukasa
Vote2: pieguy
i think pieguy being really scummy is the one thing everyone agrees with.
Vote2: pieguy
i think pieguy being really scummy is the one thing everyone agrees with.
Hmm, I hate summarizing.
D1, farto made massclaim suggestion p/2764600
Lots of people did not want to follow through.
Tanz was the only one who made improvements to mass claim strategy and farto read him as town.
farto and CB discuss about CB's town read on CTs.
Nyquill confused. p/2765662
Short discussion about picking a good lyncher to lead p/2766360
Jinxy wagon begins and grows rather fast. p/2766767
farto and CB p/2766979
rEdo (Tsukasa) vote. imo seemed scummy p/2767069
Here and onwards a bit is where Nyquill starts posting to give information and to prevent his lynch p/2768644
Nyquilled hammered p/2777808
Good info imo p/2777971 oh crap thats you
CB post about posts about potential information of flip if one of these guys flip p/2784705
current p/2791433
Well I'm not good at summarizing but sure is good practice. Sorry if I miss any info. Some topic tends to overlap and so I didn't really post it since you should probably read over it eventually.
D1, farto made massclaim suggestion p/2764600
Lots of people did not want to follow through.
Tanz was the only one who made improvements to mass claim strategy and farto read him as town.
farto and CB discuss about CB's town read on CTs.
Nyquill confused. p/2765662
Short discussion about picking a good lyncher to lead p/2766360
Jinxy wagon begins and grows rather fast. p/2766767
farto and CB p/2766979
rEdo (Tsukasa) vote. imo seemed scummy p/2767069
Here and onwards a bit is where Nyquill starts posting to give information and to prevent his lynch p/2768644
Nyquilled hammered p/2777808
CB post about posts about potential information of flip if one of these guys flip p/2784705
current p/2791433
Well I'm not good at summarizing but sure is good practice. Sorry if I miss any info. Some topic tends to overlap and so I didn't really post it since you should probably read over it eventually.
Sephibro wrote:
i don't mean a 1v1 like me vs fartoRaging Bull wrote:
1v1 isn't always scum vs town, idk why you would assume that.
this acception of 1v1 was town vs scum
?? 1v1 isn't when one person goes against another person?
also bolded part is because i was confused. explain that.
Then you have to wait patiently thenfartownik wrote:
You won't get a summary since this game is a little mess. I'd advise to read all the pages and THEN read my long post from page before since I've done the same thing. I want to correlate our feedback.
If someone actually helps me in breaking things down, not only will it help me, it could help everyone.Sephibro wrote:
oh btw tsukasa, this reminds me of information mafia, where i replaced you, read 42 pages and fartscumik killed me right after
I just need the basics
Like "Who's scum/town" and why.
I REALLY don't need a huge ass wall or some shit like that.
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Or maybe...
You guys would be good enough if you answer this.
@Everyone: Who do you think is scum and why?
Maybe the whole "I need a breakdown" thing may turn you guys off, but maybe a reads list would lighten you up