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Somehow I'm reading that vote as "Sephibro is just offending everyone and mod threatened to replace him, so I'm going to vote him"
and now comes the bitter moment of truth.Sephibro wrote:
actually i have another case about Tanz
if you're really hider, why didn't you tell us behind who you hid tonight?
I am no hider. I never actually meant to say that i was. i tried to reference the fact that we had an mafia commuter in touhou pyp IV on this very forum (i always mix up commuter and hider). that whole "tanz soft/hard claimed hider 100% conf town" wasn't at all what i wanted.
gif said "don't say whether i am right or wrong", and i thought "i will 'hide' behind the claim of hider until my role actually gives me any information".
which it didn't. which surprises me, because i thought that the existence of my role would indicate the existence of a specific mafia role.
Nope, I have a difference case on him, concerning the Oni wagon. and GIF vote, like I have stated beforeRaging Bull wrote:
Somehow I'm reading that vote as "Sephibro is just offending everyone and mod threatened to replace him, so I'm going to vote him"
it's hard to play with so many people disrupting my conversation with myself
explain your own vote for the oni wagon then. You just somehow got easily convinced by GIF with him saying how sc2 mafia-ers play.
Getting scummy vibes on rEdo and null scum from GIF especially from the non shooting at night.
Getting scummy vibes on rEdo and null scum from GIF especially from the non shooting at night.
concerning the oni wagon: since nobody was willing to go for the clever way, i jumped there to put him at L-1 and let dake hammer himrEdo wrote:
Nope, I have a difference case on him, concerning the Oni wagon. and GIF vote, like I have stated before
i could have understood this case if he flipped scum
Unvote
let's stop this wagon before it even starts.
I calmed down a bit regarding sephi, my actual read on him is rather null. same for gif. if gif doesn't shoot this night, then he will be lynched day 3.
let's stop this wagon before it even starts.
I calmed down a bit regarding sephi, my actual read on him is rather null. same for gif. if gif doesn't shoot this night, then he will be lynched day 3.
In day 1, I have said that I'm getting scumvibes from Oni's and Sephibro's posts. Pretty much everyone else remained null to me, that's why I focused on these two people. Since I wanted this guy to talk, I placed my vote on him. At first I indeed was reluctant to vote, but the "gif might be scum he claimed vig" sounded like a completely stupid way to redirect the attention from his person, hence my vote. Also, most oftenly votes are a good way to force people to talk. Too bad it didn't work out too well this time :'(
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaaneAnyway here's what I had on the ppl here.
GIF- town
Pieguy - he's dead town so no need to explain myself
NH - what I felt about him in several past games are that he got really tired with playing scum. Psychologically speaking, I think if he rolled scum, he would've been more lurky and whiny than his play right now, so town.
Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
Sephi - I seriously considered shooting him last night for
- - - - - - - - -
This leaves two people who was on ONI wagon. I don't have a townread strong as the others above, but I could see them being town.
rEdo - iirc, his reason to join a ONI wagon was "fuck it." That's usually a town attitude IMO but he was being useless.
DD - I have a "DD lurks hard as scum" bias so that's kinda keeping me from putting him to scum pile but I don't remember any significant thing he did yesterday. Considered shooting him too.
this post of tanz seems genuine, but
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too
would you please explain me this one, then?Tanzklaue wrote:
like hider?GuyInFreezer wrote:
Of course, excluding the PRs that are provable and just can't be scum for balance reason and such (such as IC, 1SV)
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too
Also here's a reminder for y'all that sephi did stated his scumread on ONI.
ehm i said it not nyquillGuyInFreezer wrote:
Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
would you please explain me this one, then?Sephibro wrote:
this post of tanz seems genuine, but
like hider?
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too[/quote]
like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).
No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.rEdo wrote:
In day 1, I have said that I'm getting scumvibes from Oni's and Sephibro's posts. Pretty much everyone else remained null to me, that's why I focused on these two people. Since I wanted this guy to talk, I placed my vote on him. At first I indeed was reluctant to vote, but the "gif might be scum he claimed vig" sounded like a completely stupid way to redirect the attention from his person, hence my vote. Also, most oftenly votes are a good way to force people to talk. Too bad it didn't work out too well this time :'(
vote:rEdo
oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
of course i didGuyInFreezer wrote:
Also here's a reminder for y'all that sephi did stated his scumread on ONI.
it's page 4's last post!
Didn't he said that before you did?
like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).[/quote]Tanzklaue wrote:
would you please explain me this one, then?Sephibro wrote:
this post of tanz seems genuine, but
like hider?
it looked as a claim (not even a soft one) to me too
The previous touhou?
oh cool. My first broken quote.
yes the previous oneRaging Bull wrote:
The previous touhou?Tanzklaue wrote:
like i said, a messed up reference to touhou pyp IV, where we had an mafia commuter (commuter are normally also one of these roles that are just always town).
Hider != commuter
@tanz: and why didn't you explain that immediately or at least right at the beginning of d2?
you just hid behind hider fakeclaim for getting towncred
that confession seems genuine but still you understand it's a delicate situation
you just hid behind hider fakeclaim for getting towncred
that confession seems genuine but still you understand it's a delicate situation
lol i use that expression a lot too in my languageTanzklaue wrote:
oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
I always mess them up.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Hider != commuter
Yes, I indeed have, but take a look at this:Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.
vote:rEdo
rEdo wrote:
By the way, if Oni won't speak until the last hours of deadline, I'm willing to hammer/place one more vote that won't do shit so the day ends with a NL because people can't establish their reads.
Also, I have reread his ISO (there wasn't much to read anyway) after the first post you're talking about, and that combined with GIF's telling me of that L-1 thingie resulted in a vote.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Jsyk sc2mafia players know to claim upon L-1.
Also, Sephibro once again have ignored my question why he thinks of GIF as scum.
He hates me that's why.
I do understand that.Sephibro wrote:
@tanz: and why didn't you explain that immediately or at least right at the beginning of d2?
you just hid behind hider fakeclaim for getting towncred
that confession seems genuine but still you understand it's a delicate situationlol i use that expression a lot too in my languageTanzklaue wrote:
oh god i messed that quote up like there is no tomorrow
normally i would have, because i really expected my role to ping this morning. but it didn't. now i am confused as to where my role even places.
so i decided to hide behind the fake roll a little longer, so mafia wouldn't think of axing me of. which is irrelevant now, because i am apparently not here to counter a mafia role.
in retrospect, i should've explained the missunderstanding from the beginning on. I am sorry for the confusion.
Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
can i hug you?Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
Seems like you didn't need much convincing to vote is all im reading.rEdo wrote:
Yes, I indeed have, but take a look at this:Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard. You voted for Oni right after GIF said how sc2 mafia plays p/2779715 within 10 minutes of your first post of not going to vote him and then voting him.
vote:rEdorEdo wrote:
By the way, if Oni won't speak until the last hours of deadline, I'm willing to hammer/place one more vote that won't do shit so the day ends with a NL because people can't establish their reads.Also, I have reread his ISO (there wasn't much to read anyway) after the first post you're talking about, and that combined with GIF's telling me of that L-1 thingie resulted in a vote.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Jsyk sc2mafia players know to claim upon L-1.
Sephibro wrote:
can i hug you?
Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
A way to make him talk was more than enough for me. Too bad that he wasn't really interested in the game at all.Raging Bull wrote:
Seems like you didn't need much convincing to vote is all im reading.
nah i don't hate you at all gif, i also used to respect you as a player
but you made me change my mind after what you showed on dethy mafia and here
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btw i think i've explained already every case i have on gif, didn't i?
but you made me change my mind after what you showed on dethy mafia and here
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btw i think i've explained already every case i have on gif, didn't i?
After taking a quick look over your ISO, I'm afraid not. You were fighting with him at a certain point, but nothing more than that.Sephibro wrote:
btw i think i've explained already every case i have on gif, didn't i?
ok then
pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
claiming vig d1 to get towncred
not vigging anyone n1
bringing cheap excuses
pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
claiming vig d1 to get towncred
not vigging anyone n1
bringing cheap excuses
Raging Bull wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
can i hug you?Raging Bull wrote:
No you rEtard
wat the hell does that have to do with anything.
Hey still my townreads were good in that game (And didn't vote you)
I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
were you?GuyInFreezer wrote:
I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
But then you didn't shoot so it seems so....non existant.
I think in any case gif isn't the best day2 lynch, at least with our information at the moment.
in fact, i am interested in what farto says, as i think that farto and redo are atm the scummiest people.
in fact, i am interested in what farto says, as i think that farto and redo are atm the scummiest people.
Yes. I think you were the only one who was scumreading me at that pointSephibro wrote:
were you?GuyInFreezer wrote:
I was already being townread when I claimed vig so
I null read you, and so were most i think.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Yes. I think you were the only one who was scumreading me at that pointSephibro wrote:
were you?
in each case, we're 10pTanzklaue wrote:
I think in any case gif isn't the best day2 lynch, at least with our information at the moment.
it means 2 mislynches = lose
a vig killing one more person is not optimal
look at what d1 lynch brought us to
Nice new signature Sephi.
oh i forgot to make this other question to you tanz
you told that no lynch with the motivation i brought for suppoting it made sense, so why you never voted for it?
you told that no lynch with the motivation i brought for suppoting it made sense, so why you never voted for it?
Hey ppl
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
At least two.
are you asking how many people voted for oni or how many people didn't vote for oni?
Didn't vote for oni
Sephibro wrote:
0 or 1 imo
nobody else pushed it, and also the discussion about NL arose, so I decided to hear both sides out.Sephibro wrote:
oh i forgot to make this other question to you tanz
you told that no lynch with the motivation i brought for suppoting it made sense, so why you never voted for it?
to gif: 2 on the wagon, 1 off.
guy off the wagon is either farto or bmin
of course if no one starts pushing it everybody can use your excuse
Sephi: bullet case on DD?
Also I agree with scum in farto/bmin
Also I agree with scum in farto/bmin
I am very careful with my votes for the most part, so i really wanted to see if there is any lobby for NL. there wasn't really a lobby for it.
0/1 because of the point on plurality being pushed to maximum heights.
This is just for the records, but gut feeling tells me nh is scum.
This is just for the records, but gut feeling tells me nh is scum.
Fuuuu I think pieguy got information for us last night and he died.
if nh's scum im very sorry for him - he was scum in higurashi, multiball and vgc
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him
about Dake, his first posts pinged me for scum, and nothing in his posts made me think of him as town
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him
about Dake, his first posts pinged me for scum, and nothing in his posts made me think of him as town
NoHitter wrote:
Vote: bmin
His "I don't want to interrupt discussions" and that pointless question struck me odd as I was skimming through the thread.
As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.bmin11 wrote:
Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.
My question was for my Oni's case. I guess it may have not helped getting rid of the WIFOM, but I wanted to see if there was a possible explanation on his lack of defense (or lack of panic posts).
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
Unfortunately, I don't have any night information to provide for this night.
Friday is always a busy day for me.
Why would you ask a hider where he hide?Sephibro wrote:
actually i have another case about Tanz
if you're really hider, why didn't you tell us behind who you hid tonight?
oh i forgot to mention the plurality lynch partSephibro wrote:
ok then
pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
claiming vig d1 to get towncred
not vigging anyone n1
bringing cheap excuses
also rEdo suddenly stopped answering after this answer
because if a hider hides behind scum he passively diesDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you ask a hider where he hide?
I could explain the situational difference between that vengeful game and here, but I'll let your brain handle that.
I forgot that fact about the hider, but the way you asked it looked like fishing in muddy waters :v
a) The 30% comes from assuming that some people are confirmed town.Sephibro wrote:
a) pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
b) claiming vig d1 to get towncred; not vigging anyone n1
c) bringing cheap excuses
d) oh i forgot to mention the plurality lynch part
also rEdo suddenly stopped answering after this answer
b) He said that to improve the chance of lynching correctly the day before. That aside, I thought it's a regular vigilante play to claim early (D1/D2).
c) I've been finding his reasoning a lot more valuable than yours so far, as least he's responding to questions without the need of a mod to react ._."
d) This actually is something I must say you're right about, however that lynch was required to get information. This is something we're working on right now, aren't we?
About my inactivity for the past 5 hours, I was playing CS:GO
According to my somewhat reliable source of information, his PC is broken right now, but he'll a back-up one in no time. also why do people always associate me with fanderwik, fucenTanzklaue wrote:
in fact, i am interested in what farto says, as i think that farto and redo are atm the scummiest people.
Zero to one, that lynch was pretty much forced in the end.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Hey ppl
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
Why the indirectly dependent stance?bmin11 wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
Okay, managed to read through the pages you've spammed during D2.
I'm up to believe in what GiF says for now. His playstyle doesn't look scummy anyhow, I also doubt he would've lied so blatantly about forgetting to do the night action. We'll see whether he shoots N2 or not. BUT WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME.
Seriously, your chances would've been higher if you decided to shoot inside the wagon because scum is in there for sure. The whole wagon sucked ass, many people have jumped on it in a weird manner, many were pushing it with a shitty reason. I knew I was right about this.
Scum could've blended in it easily because it was either a No Lynch or an Oni lynch for people, I still don't get why. Most were against no-lynching so they were kinda free to join the Oni wagon for no punishment at all. I don't think all scum are in the wagon though because that'd be reckless and rather improbable, but two are definitely possible. The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
I'm up to believe in what GiF says for now. His playstyle doesn't look scummy anyhow, I also doubt he would've lied so blatantly about forgetting to do the night action. We'll see whether he shoots N2 or not. BUT WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME.
Seriously, your chances would've been higher if you decided to shoot inside the wagon because scum is in there for sure. The whole wagon sucked ass, many people have jumped on it in a weird manner, many were pushing it with a shitty reason. I knew I was right about this.
Scum could've blended in it easily because it was either a No Lynch or an Oni lynch for people, I still don't get why. Most were against no-lynching so they were kinda free to join the Oni wagon for no punishment at all. I don't think all scum are in the wagon though because that'd be reckless and rather improbable, but two are definitely possible. The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
So you're voting me only because of pieguy? I still didn't see your reason for the vote on me.GuyInFreezer wrote:
I was.
But then I saw townflip and thought shooting inside of the wagon would be better (bc usually 2 scums on a wagon in a case like this)
But then so many ppl there looked town in various degrees so I got scared and went back to the outside of wagon.
Also good point to note that pie hated farto's posts before he died.
And why does it sound scummy? I had a brief thought in my mind that Oni was playing a troll-game that time and was fishing for someone to hammer him because he was SS. I didn't notice he got hammered already though.Sephibro wrote:
this post by farto sounds scummyfartownik wrote:
Oh, right. Never mind then. I smelled super saint/vengeful for a moment there.
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
Can you elaborate? Otherwise you have my vote on you.
Guts.
Wasn't I screaming scum the whole game?
Vote: fartownik
Vote: fartownik
Because I don't know your lifeGuyInFreezer wrote:
Why the indirectly dependent stance?bmin11 wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
brb let me read that long post farto made
Yes, you are screaming scum.DakeDekaane wrote:
Wasn't I screaming scum the whole game?
Vote: fartownik
The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.That's eventually what I reached at one time but then I realized that Sephi actually had a scumread on ONI.
SCUUUUUUUUUUUM
Vote: DD
lol, can you elaborate or you'll do the same as farscumik?
I'll be more comfortable lynching rEdo for this day. His reason seems like an excuse on jumping on the wagon since being close to hammer or not didn't matter. Oni had the most vote and the end of the day was coming very close. It was already a good enough pressure on him to take any defense.
You'll be having my vote close to the end of the day if there isn't any progress from this. HoS: rEdo
You'll be having my vote close to the end of the day if there isn't any progress from this. HoS: rEdo
Sure.
This looked awfully self-centered.DakeDekaane wrote:
Can you elaborate? Otherwise you have my vote on you.
If you look at farto's post:
fartownik wrote:
The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
He didn't even make/have a case on me, that's why his vote on me it's bad and made me cry.fartownik wrote:
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
Cases are scummy.
vote redooo
I feel like sheeping best buddy but I have a stronger scumread on farto.
nope.jpgrEdo wrote:
a) The 30% comes from assuming that some people areconfirmedleaning town.
it makes probability jump from 10% to 12~15%
you guys are forgetting that scum have 3 votes on their side and they can pretty easily create a wagon on whoever they want to
which is what happened d1
GiF put his vote on Oni at the very beginning of d1 and he didn't move it from there over the whole day
is it scumhunting?
no, that's exactly like my shitty play in multiball, where guess what - i was scum
It's only not scumhunting if my vote was parked for no reason at all.
Was it parked for no reason at all?
Was it parked for no reason at all?
OMGUS onlyDakeDekaane wrote:
I feel like sheeping best buddy but I have a stronger scumread on farto.
idk. I wanted to lynch that dude and only that dude since page 1. I guess that doesn't count.Sephibro wrote:
yeah it was
omg
scum sephi actually plays good.
my townread on sephi is now confirmed.
scum sephi actually plays good.
my townread on sephi is now confirmed.
Fun fact: I thought Sephi's flag was Mexico flag until now, when I realized that the middle part was empty (hence Italy)
and why keeping your vote on a guy who had 2 active posts only until he got lynched?
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
That is because I can't vote him after he's lynched.Sephibro wrote:
and why keeping your vote on a guy who had 2 active posts only until he got lynched?
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
Also he didn't need more pressure other than the wagon when he chose to be useless.
uhm now i have in mind a scenario where you are scum and one among NH and Nyquill is a scumpartner of yours
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.1
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
GuyInFreezer (1) - Sephibro
bmin11 (1) - NoHitter
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 4 days.
Why doesn't ctrl-b bold stuff
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
GuyInFreezer (1) - Sephibro
bmin11 (1) - NoHitter
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 4 days.
Why doesn't ctrl-b bold stuff