Hey ppl
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
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At least two.
are you asking how many people voted for oni or how many people didn't vote for oni?
Didn't vote for oni
Sephibro wrote:
0 or 1 imo
nobody else pushed it, and also the discussion about NL arose, so I decided to hear both sides out.Sephibro wrote:
oh i forgot to make this other question to you tanz
you told that no lynch with the motivation i brought for suppoting it made sense, so why you never voted for it?
to gif: 2 on the wagon, 1 off.
guy off the wagon is either farto or bmin
of course if no one starts pushing it everybody can use your excuse
Sephi: bullet case on DD?
Also I agree with scum in farto/bmin
Also I agree with scum in farto/bmin
I am very careful with my votes for the most part, so i really wanted to see if there is any lobby for NL. there wasn't really a lobby for it.
0/1 because of the point on plurality being pushed to maximum heights.
This is just for the records, but gut feeling tells me nh is scum.
This is just for the records, but gut feeling tells me nh is scum.
Fuuuu I think pieguy got information for us last night and he died.
if nh's scum im very sorry for him - he was scum in higurashi, multiball and vgc
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him
about Dake, his first posts pinged me for scum, and nothing in his posts made me think of him as town
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him
about Dake, his first posts pinged me for scum, and nothing in his posts made me think of him as town
NoHitter wrote:
Vote: bmin
His "I don't want to interrupt discussions" and that pointless question struck me odd as I was skimming through the thread.
As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.bmin11 wrote:
Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.
My question was for my Oni's case. I guess it may have not helped getting rid of the WIFOM, but I wanted to see if there was a possible explanation on his lack of defense (or lack of panic posts).
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
Unfortunately, I don't have any night information to provide for this night.
Friday is always a busy day for me.
Why would you ask a hider where he hide?Sephibro wrote:
actually i have another case about Tanz
if you're really hider, why didn't you tell us behind who you hid tonight?
oh i forgot to mention the plurality lynch partSephibro wrote:
ok then
pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
claiming vig d1 to get towncred
not vigging anyone n1
bringing cheap excuses
also rEdo suddenly stopped answering after this answer
because if a hider hides behind scum he passively diesDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you ask a hider where he hide?
I could explain the situational difference between that vengeful game and here, but I'll let your brain handle that.
I forgot that fact about the hider, but the way you asked it looked like fishing in muddy waters :v
a) The 30% comes from assuming that some people are confirmed town.Sephibro wrote:
a) pushing a lynch instead of no lynch giving fake success percentages (30% instead of 12~15%)
b) claiming vig d1 to get towncred; not vigging anyone n1
c) bringing cheap excuses
d) oh i forgot to mention the plurality lynch part
also rEdo suddenly stopped answering after this answer
b) He said that to improve the chance of lynching correctly the day before. That aside, I thought it's a regular vigilante play to claim early (D1/D2).
c) I've been finding his reasoning a lot more valuable than yours so far, as least he's responding to questions without the need of a mod to react ._."
d) This actually is something I must say you're right about, however that lynch was required to get information. This is something we're working on right now, aren't we?
About my inactivity for the past 5 hours, I was playing CS:GO
According to my somewhat reliable source of information, his PC is broken right now, but he'll a back-up one in no time. also why do people always associate me with fanderwik, fucenTanzklaue wrote:
in fact, i am interested in what farto says, as i think that farto and redo are atm the scummiest people.
Zero to one, that lynch was pretty much forced in the end.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Hey ppl
Gun to your head, how many scum off the wagon?
Why the indirectly dependent stance?bmin11 wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
Okay, managed to read through the pages you've spammed during D2.
I'm up to believe in what GiF says for now. His playstyle doesn't look scummy anyhow, I also doubt he would've lied so blatantly about forgetting to do the night action. We'll see whether he shoots N2 or not. BUT WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME.
Seriously, your chances would've been higher if you decided to shoot inside the wagon because scum is in there for sure. The whole wagon sucked ass, many people have jumped on it in a weird manner, many were pushing it with a shitty reason. I knew I was right about this.
Scum could've blended in it easily because it was either a No Lynch or an Oni lynch for people, I still don't get why. Most were against no-lynching so they were kinda free to join the Oni wagon for no punishment at all. I don't think all scum are in the wagon though because that'd be reckless and rather improbable, but two are definitely possible. The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
I'm up to believe in what GiF says for now. His playstyle doesn't look scummy anyhow, I also doubt he would've lied so blatantly about forgetting to do the night action. We'll see whether he shoots N2 or not. BUT WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME.
Seriously, your chances would've been higher if you decided to shoot inside the wagon because scum is in there for sure. The whole wagon sucked ass, many people have jumped on it in a weird manner, many were pushing it with a shitty reason. I knew I was right about this.
Scum could've blended in it easily because it was either a No Lynch or an Oni lynch for people, I still don't get why. Most were against no-lynching so they were kinda free to join the Oni wagon for no punishment at all. I don't think all scum are in the wagon though because that'd be reckless and rather improbable, but two are definitely possible. The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
So you're voting me only because of pieguy? I still didn't see your reason for the vote on me.GuyInFreezer wrote:
I was.
But then I saw townflip and thought shooting inside of the wagon would be better (bc usually 2 scums on a wagon in a case like this)
But then so many ppl there looked town in various degrees so I got scared and went back to the outside of wagon.
Also good point to note that pie hated farto's posts before he died.
And why does it sound scummy? I had a brief thought in my mind that Oni was playing a troll-game that time and was fishing for someone to hammer him because he was SS. I didn't notice he got hammered already though.Sephibro wrote:
this post by farto sounds scummyfartownik wrote:
Oh, right. Never mind then. I smelled super saint/vengeful for a moment there.
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
Can you elaborate? Otherwise you have my vote on you.
Guts.
Wasn't I screaming scum the whole game?
Vote: fartownik
Vote: fartownik
Because I don't know your lifeGuyInFreezer wrote:
Why the indirectly dependent stance?bmin11 wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to buy on GIF's night action. You were quite active honestly, but you just couldn't make it for the night? That's pretty hard to swallow.
brb let me read that long post farto made
Yes, you are screaming scum.DakeDekaane wrote:
Wasn't I screaming scum the whole game?
Vote: fartownik
The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.That's eventually what I reached at one time but then I realized that Sephi actually had a scumread on ONI.
SCUUUUUUUUUUUM
Vote: DD
lol, can you elaborate or you'll do the same as farscumik?
I'll be more comfortable lynching rEdo for this day. His reason seems like an excuse on jumping on the wagon since being close to hammer or not didn't matter. Oni had the most vote and the end of the day was coming very close. It was already a good enough pressure on him to take any defense.
You'll be having my vote close to the end of the day if there isn't any progress from this. HoS: rEdo
You'll be having my vote close to the end of the day if there isn't any progress from this. HoS: rEdo
Sure.
This looked awfully self-centered.DakeDekaane wrote:
Can you elaborate? Otherwise you have my vote on you.
If you look at farto's post:
fartownik wrote:
The most scummy votes in the wagon, as you even said yourself, were Sephibro's, rEdo's and Dake's.
Sephi is trying so damn badly to insult everyone that I've began thinking it's artificial, trying to fit the meta of his usual self and cover up that random jump on the Oni wagon (justified as 'fuck it'). He's nowhere close to be helping Town as well, nowhere close to making good notices.
rEdo jumped on the wagon with "Okay then, if that's going to help, then why not." Seriously, wtf. I pointed this out yesterday already, he only voted Oni because of the circumstances and because it was the easiest thing to do. Even if he wanted to avoid a no lynch, that's not the way to go and it doesn't make it a non-plurality lynch. It's a fake one.
Dake screams scum the whole game. Can we lynch that please?
He didn't even make/have a case on me, that's why his vote on me it's bad and made me cry.fartownik wrote:
Vote: Dake
I'm voting Dake because yolo. I feel like he's scum.
Cases are scummy.
vote redooo
I feel like sheeping best buddy but I have a stronger scumread on farto.
nope.jpgrEdo wrote:
a) The 30% comes from assuming that some people areconfirmedleaning town.
it makes probability jump from 10% to 12~15%
you guys are forgetting that scum have 3 votes on their side and they can pretty easily create a wagon on whoever they want to
which is what happened d1
GiF put his vote on Oni at the very beginning of d1 and he didn't move it from there over the whole day
is it scumhunting?
no, that's exactly like my shitty play in multiball, where guess what - i was scum
It's only not scumhunting if my vote was parked for no reason at all.
Was it parked for no reason at all?
Was it parked for no reason at all?
OMGUS onlyDakeDekaane wrote:
I feel like sheeping best buddy but I have a stronger scumread on farto.
idk. I wanted to lynch that dude and only that dude since page 1. I guess that doesn't count.Sephibro wrote:
yeah it was
omg
scum sephi actually plays good.
my townread on sephi is now confirmed.
scum sephi actually plays good.
my townread on sephi is now confirmed.
Fun fact: I thought Sephi's flag was Mexico flag until now, when I realized that the middle part was empty (hence Italy)
and why keeping your vote on a guy who had 2 active posts only until he got lynched?
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
That is because I can't vote him after he's lynched.Sephibro wrote:
and why keeping your vote on a guy who had 2 active posts only until he got lynched?
you didn't even pressure him for more post nor asked the mod to prod him
Also he didn't need more pressure other than the wagon when he chose to be useless.
uhm now i have in mind a scenario where you are scum and one among NH and Nyquill is a scumpartner of yours
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.1
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
GuyInFreezer (1) - Sephibro
bmin11 (1) - NoHitter
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 4 days.
Why doesn't ctrl-b bold stuff
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
GuyInFreezer (1) - Sephibro
bmin11 (1) - NoHitter
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 4 days.
Why doesn't ctrl-b bold stuff
What exactly is my scum meta? No seriously, I have no idea.Sephibro wrote:
if nh's scum im very sorry for him - he was scum in higurashi, multiball and vgc
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him
Well the problem is that as is, you're using that excuse NOT to participate in most discussion. Using an excuse like that is pretty scummy IMO. If you have an input in any discussion, you should say it, not keep quiet in hopes of not "interfering". Any info/discussion not said is useless.bmin11 wrote:
As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.bmin11 wrote:
Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.
Also, I'm not getting the case on Dake, can someone summarize?
Interfering =/= participating
My interfering is going to be like "both of you guys stfu", which I won't do that. Ofcourse I would join the discussion if I had anything to add on to the topic. Hell, I made a comment on most stuff even with a single post at least.
My interfering is going to be like "both of you guys stfu", which I won't do that. Ofcourse I would join the discussion if I had anything to add on to the topic. Hell, I made a comment on most stuff even with a single post at least.
ok let's make you partecipate to the discussion
vote: bmin11
vote: bmin11
OiSephibro wrote:
uhm now i have in mind a scenario where you are scum and one among NH and Nyquill is a scumpartner of yours
For a minute, put yourself in a situation where I got nightkilled and flipped town.
If then, who are the scums?
@NH: its more of a PoE off of the ONI wagon for me.
It's most likely that there are at least two scums in there, and I townread the first 4 voters of that wagon + sephi.
It's most likely that there are at least two scums in there, and I townread the first 4 voters of that wagon + sephi.
this one is an interesting questionGuyInFreezer wrote:
For a minute, put yourself in a situation where I got nightkilled and flipped town.
If then, who are the scums?
it'll take a while to answer it tho
tbh I don't understand how did you give this a townread.GIF wrote:
Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
prod dodge. Will be at work today.
prod dodge, i'll be honest, I don't have the brain capacity to work on this right now.
Why?
he never joined a wagon for the whole d1
he said that my idea of no lynch made sense, but also didn't vote for it
he didn't do much more than just complaining about my trashtalk and trying to instil the idea of a modkill on me
he comfortably hid behind the hider fakeclaim (lesser)
bmin11 what do you think about that?
he said that my idea of no lynch made sense, but also didn't vote for it
he didn't do much more than just complaining about my trashtalk and trying to instil the idea of a modkill on me
he comfortably hid behind the hider fakeclaim (lesser)
bmin11 what do you think about that?
It could go either way: town wanting the most info-gain from the wagon as possible or scum telling his buddy to hop in.DakeDekaane wrote:
tbh I don't understand how did you give this a townread.GIF wrote:
Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.
I think it's more likely former.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.2
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
bmin11 (2) - NoHitter, Sephibro
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 3 days.
DakeDekaane (2) - fartownik, GuyInFreezer
bmin11 (2) - NoHitter, Sephibro
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 3 days.
Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.
For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?
it would have given false (or unsecure) information to town, especially if i had died and then everyone found out that i'm not a hider. staying behind fakeclaims for any amount of time is pretty scummy, though in my case if all had worked out perfectly for me it would've been perfect to live through night 1 and give some real information on day 2.bmin11 wrote:
Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.
yes it was meNoHitter wrote:
For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?
Ya I was saying that on the assumption of "if Tanz is scum"Tanzklaue wrote:
it would have given false (or unsecure) information to town, especially if i had died and then everyone found out that i'm not a hider. staying behind fakeclaims for any amount of time is pretty scummy, though in my case if all had worked out perfectly for me it would've been perfect to live through night 1 and give some real information on day 2.bmin11 wrote:
Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.
why should i tell you?Sephibro wrote:
so what's your actual role?
I probably need to reread aren't I <_<NoHitter wrote:
For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?
I think it's because Oni wasn't even a good reason to vote in the first place. But hey, that's just me.
@tanz, did you even get anything then for d2?
@tanz, did you even get anything then for d2?
the wagon against oni wasn't in my taste at all, and i didn't have any solid scumreads on anyone else aswell.Sephibro wrote:
Tanz: why didn't you vote anyone for the whole d1?
@RB no, which is why i didn't get out with the "fake "claim" directly at the beginning of day 2.
@mod: Limited access til Friday
also gif are you going v/la without posting any content before?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
Si.Sephibro wrote:
also gif are you going v/la without posting any content before?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
Also I saw you wanting to talk to bmin about it, so I'm not responding to it for now.
Also I need to reread at some point, because I feel like my memory on d1 stuff is fading.
i'm just trying to involve him too, looks like he needs to be asked to post for actually postingGuyInFreezer wrote:
Also I saw you wanting to talk to bmin about it, so I'm not responding to it for now.
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
I read few of his games and it looks more like his town meta to me.
I read few of his games and it looks more like his town meta to me.
it was meGuyInFreezer wrote:
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
but i also said "meta" is a very volatile and unreliable thing
btw i noticed that in his games as scum, NH plays lurking a lot and trying to draw as little attention as he can
i've never played with him town i guess, but from what i saw in stacking the deck, his townplay is much more proactive towards scumhunting and also more reckless
bmin wrote:
I would like to take the chance to lynch, despite reasons you have explained (which are valid). My reasons would be 1) It's one of our limited ways to actually kill a mafia and our opportunity to lynch shouldn't be wasted (we are being chased by time after all). 2) Lynch is arguably an uncontrollable factor for mafia. Yes, they can vote, but we have the majority. We shouldn't be playing scared. 3) We can't fully rely on night actions even though it's early in the game. It is highly speculated that the game is power madness, but at the same time, it is pretty clear that Jinxy tried his best to make a balance set up. Normally, a power madness results in townies getting too much info from night actions (hosts were slightly biased towards town most cases), so I'm afraid Jinxy may have done something about it and that makes me worried. Other reasons are solely based on possibility (mostly set up speculation), so I wouldn't put it as my reason, but I would be a lot more comfortable with taking the lynch opportunity rather then NL.
End of Day 1 Votecountvote: bmin
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - - O n i -
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
bmin11 (1) - Raging Bull
Choo choo
What I saw in his meta was something different.Sephibro wrote:
it was meGuyInFreezer wrote:
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
but i also said "meta" is a very volatile and unreliable thing
btw i noticed that in his games as scum, NH plays lurking a lot and trying to draw as little attention as he can
i've never played with him town i guess, but from what i saw in stacking the deck, his townplay is much more proactive towards scumhunting and also more reckless
As town, his reads are usually voluntary while as scum, he focuses more on asking about other's reads while giving almost none by himself.
Well what I explained latter is more like a universal scumtell than scum meta but oh well
L-3GuyInFreezer wrote:
vote: bmin
Choo choo
i hope he'll feel more involved in the discussion
Oh also while I was rereading, I think someone said that this is not tanz's first game.
Anyone link to his other games?
Anyone link to his other games?
I'm sorry, but I've got shitton of stuff to do at University right now + my main PC is broken. My activity will be minimal to none for one more day or two.
Note just to clear my head
Town: sephi, NH, farto, RB
Scum: bmin
Leaning scum: rEdo
Reset & pending reread/meta: DD, Tanz, nyquill
I'm missing someone
Who am I missing
Town: sephi, NH, farto, RB
Scum: bmin
Leaning scum: rEdo
Reset & pending reread/meta: DD, Tanz, nyquill
I'm missing someone
Who am I missing
Oh duh
I'm missing me >.<
I'm missing me >.<
i dont remember anyone saying that
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
I also played in touhou pyp IV, mystery mafia (ignore that one, i don't even know how i screwed myself this badly), Lucid Dreamers (don't remember much from that game) and information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).Sephibro wrote:
i dont remember anyone saying that
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
Oh great
I've been reading him as if he was a newbie
I've been reading him as if he was a newbie
my first forum mafia gameTanzklaue wrote:
information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him
not a total newb.
still pretty newbie/bad though.
still pretty newbie/bad though.