increasing dpi makes the spinradius wider, but the physical speed (and thus the SPM-count ingame) is the same.buny wrote:
increasing dpi does not increase spin speed
if you think for 2 seconds you'd find the reason why.
No it doesn't. There is no perfect sensor on the planet that can produce perfect 1:1 response, the errors are in the region of ~0.5% for both angles and distances at those angles. There is always error, which is the nature of optical tracking. Mouse engineers try their best to fix the random deviation, and give you a slightly different, but consistent deviation instead.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
I've never really bought into the whole relative/absolute tracking thing; a mouse approximates absolute tracking if you never lift it anyways.
I can see the argument there. I don't really care that much if I'm at a disadvantage because I'll never be or at least it'll be a very long time before I reach the highest level of play. If I wanted to be competitive I'd invest in a good tablet but I can't be bothered to get one for a single game, especially when I'm not playing it competitively. Even still, there's not really much of a disadvantage when you have mouse players at the top level. Compare that to say a gamepad vs a mouse (and yet there's this one guy who actually plays Osu! with a gamepad and doesn't totally suck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0TQ4_9QVzE) which are in entirely different leagues. The mouse might be still at a disadvantage but it's still a very viable tool.silmarilen wrote:
[quote="https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/71895":1337] The biggest difference that a tablet has over a mouse is that it features absolute tracking. This means that every point on the tablet corresponds to a particular point on the screen. If you lift the pen outside of the sensitive range, then put it down on another part of the tablet, the cursor will "jump" to that location. This is opposed to mice, which rely on relative tracking.
But there really aren't that many.Soarezi wrote:
If mouse was at at disadvantage it wouldn't be too huge because there are MANY top ranked players that use mouse.
Hence, approximates. The tracking for a quality optical sensor is still very precise, and if you're lifting either your mouse or your tablet pen as a means of movement, you're doing it wrong. You could get rid of the absolute tracking and a tablet would still be preferable to a mouse.RaneFire wrote:
All I am saying is... it's far from absolute.
I think Full_Tablet mentioned the ability to physically accelerate the pen is much "higher" - 3m/s+ acceleration over a few cm, as opposed to mice which require 20+cm of movement to reach the same physical values... and I agree with him. So yeah, it is lighter and easier to move.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
Hence, approximates. The tracking for a quality optical sensor is still very precise, and if you're lifting either your mouse or your tablet pen as a means of movement, you're doing it wrong. You could get rid of the absolute tracking and a tablet would still be preferable to a mouse.RaneFire wrote:
All I am saying is... it's far from absolute.
If mouse was at at disadvantage it wouldn't be too huge because there are MANY top ranked players that use mouse.PP yes, but we all know how does it work.
Mouse has insane potential but it's ultimately governed by your reading skills. Cookiezi's perception of osu! makes his mouse skill skyrocket to really high levels at a fast rate. That was the case with niko as well.Wishy wrote:
I don't know but Cookiezi random played ha-tenya DT on mouse and got x1 random miss 0x100 so I'd say you can get pretty far.
I feel like every mouse player posting in this thread saying it can't compete at a pro level just wants more recognition to their own playsI feel like most of mouse players posting in this thread know the best how it is hard to compete with mouse at pro level.
If they knew how hard it was to compete then mouse would still be viable at a high level of competition which many of them are trying to deny.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I feel like every mouse player posting in this thread saying it can't compete at a pro level just wants more recognition to their own playsI feel like most of mouse players posting in this thread know the best how it is hard to compete with mouse at pro level.
Though I've never said that mouse sucks compared to pen.
JAKACHAN wrote:
I feel like every mouse player posting in this thread saying it can't compete at a pro level just wants more recognition to their own plays
I think many new players expect mouse only to be viable at the time they start playing. However, IMO they give up this expectation around the point where streams are introduced and switch to mouse + kb or tablet (+ kb) as a result.JAKACHAN wrote:
If they knew how hard it was to compete then mouse would still be viable at a high level of competition which many of them are trying to deny.
The point is trying to argue the difference between mouse and tablet can only be answered in 1 way which silm already posted. Mouse is still viable and can be just as good as tablet if you are willing to practice just like anyone else. The only reason so few mouse players exist is because people make it seem like mouse is not even viable so new players end up getting tablets instead of trying to even learn mouse.
Wrong. It's different player to player.yoyomster wrote:
I'm not sure about the difference in difficulty between mouse only and tablet only because I've never played osu! with tablet, although I think it's a bit easier because playing with tablet only involves the wrist. Playing with mouse however not only involves the wrist but the fingers as well because you need to move the mouse and click at the same time.
Saying you think it's harder doesn't mean it actually is.yoyomster wrote:
IMO mouse/tablet is definitely more difficult than mouse + kb/tablet + kb because learning to play using one hand instead seems a lot harder, especially when it comes down to learning how to stream.
PP rank means nothing in terms of actual skill. Hard farmers can't be deemed "pro" because the difficulty of the maps they play aren't very high.yoyomster wrote:
Learning how to stream is necessary to reach a pro level IMO. Yes, you could try farming hard's but I doubt you would get much recognition doing that. I also think the whole idea of "pro level" is actually pretty relative, but I get the feeling many players don't consider someone ranked higher than 1000 a pro player anymore. To me even rank 3000 still seems quite a feat however, considering how many players there actually are.
Just because a "professional" sports player isn't playing for the best team doesn't stop making them pro.Almost wrote:
PP rank means nothing in terms of actual skill. Hard farmers can't be deemed "pro" because the difficulty of the maps they play aren't very high.
I know that there are some really good players that do farm hards because they might find it fun or for some other reason, but in general, getting a high rank through hards doesn't mean you can play difficult songs since hards are mapped in a way that they lack difficult patterns and don't require very good accuracy and aim to play.Lust wrote:
Just because a "professional" sports player isn't playing for the best team doesn't stop making them pro.Almost wrote:
PP rank means nothing in terms of actual skill. Hard farmers can't be deemed "pro" because the difficulty of the maps they play aren't very high.
That was a terrible analogy.Lust wrote:
Just because a "professional" sports player isn't playing for the best team doesn't stop making them pro.Almost wrote:
PP rank means nothing in terms of actual skill. Hard farmers can't be deemed "pro" because the difficulty of the maps they play aren't very high.
im gladJappyBabes wrote:
That was a terrible analogy.Lust wrote:
Just because a "professional" sports player isn't playing for the best team doesn't stop making them pro.
You missed the point here by assuming I was talking about PP ranking even though I didn't mention that at all because I know it means not much (yet) in terms of actual skill.Almost wrote:
PP rank means nothing in terms of actual skill. Hard farmers can't be deemed "pro" because the difficulty of the maps they play aren't very high.yoyomster wrote:
Learning how to stream is necessary to reach a pro level IMO. Yes, you could try farming hard's but I doubt you would get much recognition doing that. I also think the whole idea of "pro level" is actually pretty relative, but I get the feeling many players don't consider someone ranked higher than 1000 a pro player anymore. To me even rank 3000 still seems quite a feat however, considering how many players there actually are.
You explicitly referenced rank 3000, a rank derived from pp.yoyomster wrote:
You missed the point here by assuming I was talking about PP ranking even though I didn't mention that at all because I know it means not much (yet) in terms of actual skill.
What should I've said then? Should I've said "the 3000th position in a hierarchy of players"? Perhaps I could've made it a bit more obvious what I meant and I'm sorry for that. But please do not put words in someone's mouth. Suppose someone's talking about a "tower in Paris". That doesn't necessarily mean that he/she's talking about the Eiffel Tower.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
You explicitly referenced rank 3000, a rank derived from pp.
yoyomster wrote:
What should I've said then? Should I've said "the 3000th position in a hierarchy of players"? Perhaps I could've made it a bit more obvious what I meant and I'm sorry for that. But please do not put words in someone's mouth. Suppose someone's talking about a "tower in Paris". That doesn't necessarily mean that he/she's talking about the Eiffel Tower.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
You explicitly referenced rank 3000, a rank derived from pp.
It's not possible to reach pro level just by farming hards.yoyomster wrote:
Learning how to stream is necessary to reach a pro level IMO. Yes, you could try farming hard's
yesSoulg wrote:
it is possible to use DTHD hards to improve if you're at a place where they are difficult.
just don't want new players to think it's never helpful or anything. if the song is a hard and you find it challenging to DT it, let alone HDDT, then there's nothing wrong with trying to fc it
so many people just go "oh its a hard no i dont care about those and you suck for playing it"buny wrote:
yesSoulg wrote:
it is possible to use DTHD hards to improve if you're at a place where they are difficult.
just don't want new players to think it's never helpful or anything. if the song is a hard and you find it challenging to DT it, let alone HDDT, then there's nothing wrong with trying to fc it
that's like asking if noobie players are allowed to play easy; if it's hard for you, you'll improve
The point is that the hierarchy you referenced is organized according to pp. It's an implicit reference to the pp system.yoyomster wrote:
Should I've said "the 3000th position in a hierarchy of players"?
aqosilmarilen wrote:
i dont understand where that thought comes from, ive never seen someone be serious when saying playing hards with dt is bad. it all came from the fact that people who mostly hd dt'd hard got higher pp than people who did the same on insanes, it has nothing to do with the actual skill of the person playing.