merchat7 wrote:

hi alacat, random mod hi merchat :3

[General]

- Put Meis Clauson in tags :/ ok :3
- I notice you are using the English title for source, but I think you should put the romaji as well. Mirai Sekai no Planeta this is from web site
- Widescreen background (16:9) are rankable, maybe you want to use one? I think the CGs in this game are in widescreen format and not too fond of the trimming of 4:3 when playing osu! in widescreen. ok! I will add new video =w="
- [All mappers] Currently, Easy & Normal, Hard & Insane are very close in term of difficulty setting. This means there is a big difficulty setting jump from Normal > Hard. I recommend trying to discuss with the guest mapper and find a better balance. ok,will talk with guest mapper :3
- [All mappers] Tick rate 2 fits better I dont use to change slider speed. so I dont need it ><

[Easy]

00:21:938 (1,2) - I find this rhythm sound better http://puu.sh/2mwjw.
00:25:938 (3) - I see that you are putting whistle on 1st and 3rd white tick, but maybe put on repeat to show that piano rhythm is changed? Fine if not through.
00:40:338 (2) - 00:40:338 (2,3,4) - Hmm, I'm leading a bit more to this rhythm
00:54:538 (4) - I feel this placement goes against the flow, I think if you place like this, it'll flow better http://puu.sh/2mwvV keep on now maybe ,I will fix :3
00:42:738 - 00:53:138 - I notice you are putting whistle every 1st and 3rd white tick, but I don't really think this sound good with the music or the most optimal hitsound pattern. My suggestion instead is this. Remove whistle from 1st and 2nd white tick. So only whistles on every 3rd and 4th white tick. For example 00:45:938 (1,3,5) - Remove whistle from (1) and begin of (3), keep at end of (3) and on (5). I thought of leaving the whistle on the first white tick for the piano, but I think it ruins the emphasis on those notes, so that's why I didn't put it.
*00:56:338 - 01:05:938 - For this part, i will free style a bit. emm, I want to put sound with constant rhythm for Easy diff. But your suggestion is very nice. some fix about it :3
00:56:338 (2) - Remove whistle from begin. Red tick is accented here and not white, so it's best to not put whistle. follow back sound here.
00:57:138 (3,4) - Do this rhythm, whistle at begin and end of (3). http://puu.sh/2mwRO
01:00:338 (3) - Remove whistle, emphasize the bell sound same as above.
01:01:138 (5) - May want to add whistle at end with the bell in music
01:02:738 (2) - Remove whistle from begin, I suggest this to emphasize the finish more. I feel this part has a focus on the 1st & 3rd white tick and whistle ruins this feeling. but if you wish to keep, this is fine
01:03:538 (3,4) - Whistle at end of (3), on (4) if you follow 01:01:138.
01:05:938 (2) - Same as 01:02:738**
01:19:738 (3) - Repeating slider instead?
01:32:338 (3,4) - At end of (3) and (4), try normal samplet, soft addition. This sounds better to me.
I notice at the end, you follow the piano perfectly, so at begin, do this as well? no change here >~<
00:17:138 (1,2) - Whistle at end
00:24:338 (1) - Whistle here and what I said for 00:25:938 as well.

00:42:738 - 01:05:938 - I don't think whistle every 1st/3rd white ticks fits well here, I hope you consider my hitsound pattern.

[Insane]

00:17:938 (2,4) - If you change in Easy, add whistle.
00:22:338 (3) - I suggest to add whistle here, as you can by my whistle suggestion in Easy, song has a focus on 1st,3rd,4th note, so I think there should be whistle on this note to help show this theme in them music.
00:21:938 (1,2,3,4) - Hmm, I don't find the jump here too intuitive, a box shape with all note distant snapped seems better to me. http://puu.sh/2myKX emm. (3) is strong imo. so I put jump here ><
00:24:338 (2,2) - If you put whistle in Easy, put here as well.
00:59:338 (3) - Whistle at begin for emphasis on vocal?
01:26:938 (6) - Nothing to back up with in music, but I feel putting whistle here sound nice.I feel these consecutive whistle does not match ,take a little
01:36:338 (3) - I think changing to two hit circles and like this feel better. http://puu.sh/2myRU. I can't seem to catch the 1/4s properly when the rhythm is like this. I made another pattern
01:39:738 (1,2,3) - I recommend reducing spacing here and not increasing spacing because with this increased spacing, the spacing on 01:40:538 (2) - feel really anti jumpy and flow breaking to me, so basically this http://puu.sh/2myU5 and move 01:40:338 (1,2) - etc. more up.
01:41:138 (4,5) - Same as 01:36:338.
01:44:738 (2) - I think up is better (x:256 y:156), but this is my interpretation of the music, if you prefer the current way, then that's fine
01:42:738 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - This rhythm instead? 01:42:738 (4) - is a slider to help you get back into rhythm after playing the double streams and (9) is overmapped. http://puu.sh/2mz0l

others fix \^^/

Good flow and I don't have a problem with how you did the hitsounding.

I mod the hitsound differently for all diffs, so don't go thinking why I mention something for one diff and not on the other. Good mapset, should be ready with a couple more mods.

- Star for song
- Star for good map
- Reserve for after seeing what's changed.

Thanks a lot ;w;

I haven't mod in ages so it took me longer than usual to mod, but I'll always put in the effort for mutual friend mapset But maybe there are some inconsistency errors here and there, and more grammar mistakes then usual, sorry about this.

Good luck! Hope to see this rank soon.

merchat7 wrote:

[Hard]

00:17:138 (1,2,3,4,5) - I really prefer a more equal spacing here, I thought the time distant between 00:17:938 (2,3) was 3-4 white ticks at first so e.g. place 00:17:938 (2) - at x:308 y:72 00:19:538 (4) - x:204 y:312. im not sure about any kind of readability problems here, time distance between notes is big, it doesnt even matter where to place them, since you can easily read it by looking at approach circle, and by listening to music i hear 2 parts (00:17:138 (1,2) - ) and ( 00:18:738 (3,4,5) - ) thats why they dont have equal spacing between them, just dont feel that they should be combined
00:22:338 (3,3) - The music has a focus on 1st, 3rd and 4th white tick, so I think there should be whistle, on 1st, 3rd and 4th note. So add whistle to these two places? i dont like how 2 whistles in a row sounds here >_<
00:34:338 (3,4) - I'm fine with the previous one and the one after this, but here, I really prefer, no whistle at end of (3) and whistle at begin and end of (4) with the piano in music (soft:addition). maybe its a strange way to map like that but i mapped first part by following beat 00:29:938 - 00:36:338, while second part 00:36:338 - 00:39:538 were following only vocal, thats why i decided to put hitsounds in different ways, just because......why not haha
00:40:938 (1,2,3,4) - This parts give off an anti jump feel to me, so I don't find the increase in spacingreally nice, I suggest to keep distant snap to 1.2x here or have jump on (1,3), keep distant snap to (2,4) http://puu.sh/2my5ao or this http://puu.sh/2my7Z. Etc. basically I think there's a better way to place the notes here, so experiment a bit. idk but music change from calm part to something more energetic and i think those jumps give me better expression
00:42:738 (1) - I think soft-finish fits better. i think combine both finishes would be best, but I was lazy to search samples only for 1 note and decided to leave only 1 finish, and i still prefer normal one
00:43:538 (3) - I think having a jump on (4) would be nice here. Rotate this slider a bit till you have a 1.8x jump to (4)? http://puu.sh/2mxYn i tried, but this small changing in spacing absolutely unnoticeable during the play, so i will keep mine just because it looks better for me
00:44:238 (1,2) - I either prefer 1.2x distant snap, or stack it at end of previous slider, current spacing, it feel too in between giving off a weird feeling when playing to me. I already recieved few complains before about this kind of stacks, but lol they plays much easier then ordinary stacks for me, idk y people hate them xD
00:45:938 (1) - Whistle at begin
00:48:338 (4) - ^
00:51:538 (6) - ^ no i want to avoid this 3 whistles because i dont like how N hit and soft whistle sounds together here
00:52:338 (1) - ^, listening to music, these are the parts where I feel a whistle was missing to complete the hitsound pattern. dont have this feeling (◎_◎;)
01:07:338 (3) - I think two hit circles give a cooler effect and nicer to read for me. I thought 01:08:138 (1) - was 1/2 not 1/1 away at first. Hit circles force you to be more in rhythm with music, so it should help with reading this pause, if it's not clear, (3) is place at the begin of where slider was, (4) - is stacked with 01:08:138 (1) - might be a bit confusing but only because this kind of patterns are very rare (placing note under slider with 1/2 pause) but doing everything like we always do is so boring ( and i hear *no Mirai* as 2 notes+slider, no(note) mi(note) rai(slider)
01:13:738 (5) - Really think you should have normal whistle at begin here. soft one sounds more interesting for ne ._.
01:18:538 (5) - ^ N whistle too heavy here
01:20:538 (4,5,1) - When listening to the piano here, I feel here and 01:19:738 (1,2,3) - are mirror rhythm of each other. So I find it weird that one is stack and one isn't. I recommend to space out (4,5) to 1.6x distant snap (so all notes here are 1.6x spacing apart). After, some testing, I recommend stacking (4) at end of the slider. http://puu.sh/2myw7 hmm i hear that this 2 notes 01:19:738 (1,2) - have different tonality, while this 2 notes 01:20:538 (4,5) - are similar, so current one fits best for me ( about stacking, i just dont see/hear any reasons why it should be stacked o_o)
01:21:738 (5,5) - Prefer normal whistle like previous part yeah its not the same as first part, but still sounds fine for me
01:26:538 (5) - Prefer normal whistle at begin same, dont feel that hitsounds need any consistency here, because current one sounds fine
01:45:538 (4) - A couple gird up so that spacing from end of (3) and slider body of (4) is more equal (aesthetic reason) http://puu.sh/2myDm dont feel like they should have equal spacing, wanted to make jump from 1 note+slider 01:44:738 (2,3) - to another 01:45:538 (4,5) -

Notice a couple patterns can be better, but still good as per usual. Thanks!

Natsu wrote:

cRyo Hard:

• 01:06:138 remove this whistle no sense here for me all whistles placed on red ticks on whole part, idk y this one doesnt make sense to you ._.
  01:08:338 remove whistle just keep finish is enought want to emphasis it with both w+f
  01:19:338 ^
  01:44:938 remove whistle from slider body no sense for me o3o fits with guitar
  01:45:738 ^
  01:46:838 spinner should start here (like the other diffs) no....actually its the same, the only difference is that leaving empty 1/4 tick between spinner and note gives you somekind of visuall pause for spinner, i like it more then if spinner starts instantly after note

xxheroxx wrote:

cRyo's Hard

• • 00:55:938 (2 and all next circles/sliders) - Why normal clap here? Keep using custom soft claps, they fit the song a lot better. i forgot to give custom clap to alacat
  • 01:38:338 (3) - Hmm maybe it's better to flip this slider vertically and to rotate it 20° anticlockwise to make a better flow. dont feel anything wrong in current placement
  • 01:39:338 (4) - Remove the repeat and add a circle at 01:39:938 and another one at 01:40:138. repeat slider perfectly follow piano

merchat7 wrote:

@cRyo
00:17:138 (1,2,3,4,5) - While it's true, you can use music and approach circle to read, it feel much more intuitive in my opinion if you don't break spacing too much, I don't mind a slight jump at all, but 2.5x spacing increase (0.4x>1.0x) just seems too drastic for me. This is a Hard so please consider this as well and as this is a Hard, I'm sure more people will try to play this with hidden. While you don't really need to change something because of a mod, I think it's a nice thing when people do small stuff to help make it easier for people playing with mods. Lastly, you won't consider even moving (2) just a bit more to the right, and (4) just a bit more to the left? Even if you move just a bit, I feel there is a vast difference, right now, it just feel too close for me and feel counter intuitive to play.
I made this jump because piano sound is louder here, and current pattern sounds like 1,2 ----- 1,2,3 for me, about jump i already said with such big pause between notes in doesnt plays as jump, even with DT this spacing cant be called as jump, about mods i think first people playing map without mods to check patterns and stuff, and they will recognise this rhytm easily without aproach circles (its begining of the song lol xD)
00:34:738 (4) - This really bothers me too be honest, can't you do a different rhythm then :/ The begin and end follows the piano perfectly and is just
screaming for soft-whistle to be put on E.g., try this rhythm http://puu.sh/2pzwU Two 1/2 sliders instead of a 1/1 repeating slider.
All previous whistles following vocal, and this one dont, it will simpy break consistency between whistles, thats why i used specific rhytm with 2drum hits (like in the begining) i think it sounds interesting
00:40:938 (1,2,3,4) -I didn't exactly ask you not do jumps through, I find that if you want to keep spacing consistent, not doing increased spacing seems better. If not, then I prefer if you do jumps only on (1) and (3) and keep distant snap for (2) and (4). I feel this way, as music is accented on (1) and (3). When you do the increased spacing, I feel you put too much accent on (2) and (4) which feel really off to me. Like just move (1,2) more left is a easy suggestion http://puu.sh/2pzr7 and other patterns work too.
Finishes in bgm brings some energy to music, thats why i think there should be +++ spacing there, about (moving 2,4 closer to slider) i really think that equal spacing plays much better here and fits with music aswell
00:43:538 (3) - It's so noticeable for me which is why I mention it , but it's fine, if other mention ,please reconsider. After testing a bit, I mention this because you had 1.5x spacing for 00:42:738 (1,2,3) - . The 20% spacing reduction just seems out of the blue and rather noticeable for me.
Yeah i want only first jump between sliders and then smooth reduce spacing to regular, thats why i dont want to make jumps for all sliders
00:44:238 (1,2) - If you already received several complains about this, then I really think you should change this, people don't mention the same stuff for no reason I try my best to explain why I want you to change, but honestly, the only thing I can say is that it doesn't feel right. Which this pattern really be ruined, if you increase spacing a bit/or stack it? While randomly looking at the beatmap, I notice this 01:05:038 (1,2) -
Its just one of the several variations of placing this kind of patterns, people complain about it not because it plays bad (as i already said, this kind of stack easiest for me), they complain because they probably didnt saw this type of stack in hard diffs because its rare
01:08:138 (1) - Don't stack at end of the slider then? Make it much more easier to read the approach circles. Here's my preposition http://puu.sh/2pzNC (1) is stacked with 01:09:338 (1) -
No your pattern is little bit different from what i want (note+slider on regular spacing ----- then jump on the same note+slider with regular spacing), i agree that it will be easier to read if i move this note away from slider, but i like the way it looks and its not that (omg idk how to play that vote1 ヽ(ﾟДﾟ)ﾉ) difficult, im sure players wont even mention this stack on the 2,3,4 play (+ its hard diff, making some things little bit difficult is fine)
01:13:738 (5) - Well changing from normal-whistle on previous part to soft-whistle is a pretty drastic change, I would understand if you reduce the volume of the normal whistle instead (which in this case, I recommend) or just do all soft-whistle and use higher volume for the one you want to emphasize. I sort of see why for here and the same rhythm at second part of kiai, you feel normal-whistle doesn't fit as well, but going from normal-whistle to soft-whistle is like going from a elephant to a rat in my ears.
Well maybe i have weird tastes but i think it sounds nice
01:21:738 (5,5) - Same reason as above (going from normal>soft-whistle is a drastic change), this is also why I notice this inconsistency problem immediately. Personally, I find soft-whistle is too soft and feel like it needs to be higher volume if you wish to use it at kiai here, but normal-whistle sounds awesome and it's the easiest way to fix here, which is why I suggest this, so I'm a bit surprise to see this unchanged honestly.
01:45:538 (4) -I'm surprised to see you say this when you say you can't notice 00:43:538 (3) - -_- I can't notice this 0.1x spacing different at all :S
Dont understand this = =", but as i said i dont want to make equal spacing, maybe its personal feeling but current one fits better for me right now
Normally, I would say to reconsider some of the stuff if others mention as there are still few mods on this and this is my opinion, but I tried at least 3 different method of modding (free styling, consistency reason, naziing) and not a single change is very surprising. So because of this, I'm a bit clueless on how to mod your beatmaps in the future, I doubt you want me to nazi and I rarely say a beatmap is perfect even when one is close to perfect as I'll always try to nitpick points to improve/give my honest opnion unless I'm lazy.

I appreciate your reply. I see that you put the effort, but is there anything you want to tell me on how to improve mods on your beatmap in the future? What sort of suggestion do you like? What do you normally change in a mod? This will greatly help me when I mod your beatmap in the future. As for the above suggestions, these are all stuff I notice on first play through and which is why I say some patterns can still be improved, I do not say this when I feel beatmap is really good and I'm just naziing/giving some friendly suggestions.
I dont mind to make changes when i think they bring something that looks/plays/sounds better then mine, even grid up/down stuff, i think we just have different feeling about patterns/hitsounds for this song, and i dont think its bad, 10 different mappers = 10 different views
How to mod my map ? Just do what you always do, i dont think i need any specific way
I could probably give better explanation about all this stuff, but my english have limits
Again, I don't normally put all this reasons in my mod or reply to mod as I don't want to make this like an essay, but I'm really clueless on how to mod your beatmaps in the future so this is why I do this, I hope you can reply to the questions I underline and I hope you reconsider my suggestions.