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DAISUKE ASAKURA ex.TERRA - switch

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whymeman
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Time for a recheck...

[Normal]

00:44:77 (3,4) - Intentionally not lined up?
00:58:39 (1) - A finish can work here...

[Hard]

00:38:65 (5,6) - Intentionally not lined up?
00:49:90 (7,8) - Not lined up.
00:58:39 (1) - A finish can work here...
01:03:13 (7) - Just thought about it 3 times. Shouldn't the new combo start here?

[Insane]

00:04:70 (5,6,7) - Intentionally not lined up?
00:59:77 (13,1) - Sounds kinda odd with the beat like where the spinner is, it fels like there should have been a note there or something, but just letting you know.
01:04:70 - The kiai fountains by itself here wouldn't make much sense with the fact you're going to use it about 2 seconds later. Plus, it would look more like kiai spam here as well.

One more thing..... why is "Shulin Xgor *for skin*" in the Source? You could put "Shulin Xgor" in the Tags instead and add "Thanks to Xgor for the skin" on the main post. Also, why is the Preffered Skin not set to default for the difficulties? Make sure to check into that as well and then forum PM me to do a recheck for a bubble.
DJPop
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Shulin
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~Shulin's Sane~
00:08:085 (2,3,4,5,6) - move by put 4 on the center This would mess up the pattern so I don't see any need to put in the center.
00:34:070 (1,2,3) - spacings The mild jump is intentional
01:07:047 (4) - start on blue tick Imo this sounds worse.
It's up to ouran if he sees the need to change though, :D
ouranhshc
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DJPop wrote:

~Shulin's Sane~
00:08:085 (2,3,4,5,6) - move by put 4 on the center done
00:34:070 (1,2,3) - spacings nah
01:07:047 (4) - start on blue tick nah
Kytoxid
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[Easy]

Fine. One suggestion:

01:22:007 (1,2,3,4,1) - Move it up a bit to line the 4 up with the combo before it?

[Normal]

Same thing as before.

00:31:094 (2) - Maybe line this up with the endpoint of 1 a little better.

[Hard]

00:19:070 (4,5,6,7,8) - These looked too spaced out for 1/4s. (either that, or I just sucked there)
01:05:079 (5) - Looked a bit weird, since you didn't have anything at slight angles before.

[Shulin's-Sane]
00:34:070 (1,2,3) - Weird-looking, although spacially correct. Maybe put the 2 right in the middle, vertically?

[Insane]

Fine.

Star!
eee
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eee
All maps are perfect for me ;D
whymeman
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Hmm... looking good now from the recheck. Bubble for you then.
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ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
i like everything the way it is
ztrot
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:U
Sleep Powder
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ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
how close were you
Alace
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YERRA cry
and i cry
so i make a diff for fun

Download: DAISUKE ASAKURA ex.TERRA - switch (ouranhshc) [Alazy].osu
Mystearica
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Terrible, terrible damage.
Takuma
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ouranhshc
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ouranhshc

Mystearica wrote:

Terrible, terrible damage.
whats that supposed to mean

looks like i won't be maapping anytime soon... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu

Alace wrote:

YERRA cry
and i cry
so i make a diff for fun
thank you :D
Shulin
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Shulin

Mystearica wrote:

Terrible, terrible damage.
Mod maps and stop complaining about them.

Alace wrote:

YERRA cry
and i cry
so i make a diff for fun
Pretty fun :D
ignorethis
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kk I think it's pointless to give a map that many 1s, however bad the map may seem like.

You'd better learn to think of problems in others' situations. >:(
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@Shulin

I wasn't complaining? I'm not playing this anyway.

I gave a comment? You got a problem with that? Explain to me why I shouldn't say what I said about this map and I'll give a proper apology. Until then, I standby my statement.

By the way if you're going to tell me to mod, that's fine but you really should check again.
Shulin
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I actually interpreted your statement to mean beatmap quality in general, to which my response would be try to mod more.

If you comment was directed against the beatmap itself I have no problem with that, but it would be more constructive if you explained your statement. That way quality can improve and future “damage” can be avoided.
ouranhshc
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ignorethis wrote:

kk I think it's pointless to give a map that many 1s, however bad the map may seem like.

You'd better learn to think of problems in others' situations. >:(
IMO opinion, all because this map actually makes you move the mouse doesn't necessarily make it a bad map. I mean its ok to put crazy streams, for example, Kanbu, Marisa Kanbu, and that hatsune miku map.

So is it a bad thing to be original?

Shulin wrote:

I actually interpreted your statement to mean beatmap quality in general, to which my response would be try to mod more.

If you comment was directed against the beatmap itself I have no problem with that, but it would be more constructive if you explained your statement. That way quality can improve and future “damage” can be avoided.
I agree with Shulin's statement. I mean 5 BATs said it was fine, and other people had plenty of time to look at it so i do not feel any sympathy for them. Plus how does it help me in the future if you don't say whats wrong. If you say "terrible, terrible damage" well what the hell does that mean, because apparrently its ok to have deathstream's "galore"
Nachy
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ouranhshc wrote:

ignorethis wrote:

kk I think it's pointless to give a map that many 1s, however bad the map may seem like.

You'd better learn to think of problems in others' situations. >:(
IMO opinion, all because this map actually makes you move the mouse doesn't necessarily make it a bad map. I mean its ok to put crazy streams, for example, Kanbu, Marisa Kanbu, and that hatsune miku map.

So is it a bad thing to be original?

Shulin wrote:

I actually interpreted your statement to mean beatmap quality in general, to which my response would be try to mod more.

If you comment was directed against the beatmap itself I have no problem with that, but it would be more constructive if you explained your statement. That way quality can improve and future “damage” can be avoided.
I agree with Shulin's statement. I mean 5 BATs said it was fine, and other people had plenty of time to look at it so i do not feel any sympathy for them. Plus how does it help me in the future if you don't say whats wrong. If you say "terrible, terrible damage" well what the hell does that mean, because apparrently its ok to have deathstream's "galore"

It's not that it's a bad thing to be original, those streams are really plainly ridiculous, it's hard without being fun, it's Nintendo Hard, it's unnecessary difficulty, it's possible but it's too frustrating that it really it isn't really worth much of the trouble to go around it, there are a ton of ways to make something difficult at the same time not to become a nuisance. I'm just throwing my opinion here and I'm not saying I'm Mr. Right here either, just speaking out. Aside from those streams, I found the map pretty okay though.
ouranhshc
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I know that the map is hard, but i don't why people don't complain about 20 seconds deathstreams at bpms over 170 and aren't there maps harder to mine too.
ignorethis
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After I went through the whole map I came to realise that you need to build your sense of mapping up. Although marisa and kanbu both have deathstreams, their existance make sense, but I can hardly see the relation between the song and your map. No matter how hard the map may seem like, they MUST be based on the song itself.

Next time when you begin a map, you may listen to the song a few more times before you begin to put objects down.
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10614 <------- is that better for you.







will it make you feel better if i FIX IT and remove the "IDIOTIC" streams

Edit: you had the opportunity to mod it, but you didn't so i don't want to hear it.
MaxwellDemon
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He is just giving some advices, he might not had managed to mod your map while it is at pending, but it an advice is still an advice in the end. It might help you better in your next map, who knows.
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
right now im just perturb about all the crap about my map, i just happen to like the way my map was.
MaxwellDemon
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Understandable, but just kickback and relax, it's already done. :P
I haven't seen the map personally to understand WHY it was given such a low rating, but at least people are willing to make note of what they didn't like. I think that's better than going, "why low rating?!?!?!! D':" and no reason at all.
ouranhshc
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true, but I know now that people despise "back and forth" streams.

Edit: maybe i should have said earlier was that. People, in general, had the opportunity to look at, and how do i know whats defined as too hard or too difficult for this song. Sometimes i think what would happen if some "popular" mapper mapped this song.

Ill guess just stick to the style that i mapped rei zero and heatstroke in
MaxwellDemon
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ouranhshc wrote:

Sometimes i think what would happen if some "popular" mapper mapped this song.

If you are trying to say that you think your style is not accepted because the lack of your popularity, I can easily tell you that's usually not relevant. XD XD

Or at least, in my perspective, I wouldn't find it relevant.
ouranhshc
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im not relating mapping style to popularity, i was experimenting with spacing on switch.
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MegaManEXE
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People with low play counts probably really haven't seen a majority of the insane maps out there so they don't know what's good and what's not good to put in an insane difficulty. And because of that they usually end up being way too hard, not hard enough, or just an unintuitive mess of shit.

I'd like to say trial and error is a good answer for this since once you get negative feedback on something you'll know what you did wrong and can correct/avoid that in the future. But honestly there's what, 30 SP or so invested into this map? And not one modder said anything about the pointlessly large spacing and unnecessary streams? They don't fit the song at all to be honest - all you're doing is making it hard for the sake of being hard and not for the sake of a balance between fun and hard.
MaxwellDemon
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MegaManEXE wrote:

And not one modder said anything about the pointlessly large spacing and unnecessary streams?

Nharox wrote:

Yea, this is really insane. To be honest, I don't like it. The streams are mindfuck (00:22:077 for example), the overall difficulty is too high and the spacing is really jumpy. But it's alright I guess.
And there were some mods that talked about strange beat placements. Not that I'd know what they were exactly pointing at though. :P
ouranhshc
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Thats why i ask a variety of people for their opinion, i asked BATs for their opinion on that difficulty.

Edit: i turned down, the difficulty and thats only 1 person out of how many that didn't like the streams and i thought they fit with the song. by the way have you listened to that part of the music by itself, It does the same thing that i mapped. so apparently 6 BATs aren't enough

so would this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9003 be considered an acceptable insane
Shulin
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ouranhshc wrote:

Thats why i ask a variety of people for their opinion, i asked BATs for their opinion on that difficulty
This exactly, the insane is rankable (hence why it was ranked), yes the streams were OTT and the difficulty was spiked but so what, people are forgetting there are four other difficulties on this map. Are every single one of those difficulties that bad that they deserve that many 1 stars? (On an unrelated note what ranked map deserves a 1 star anyway?)

The streams did fit the music, I had them in my difficulty although not as intense, if a lesson has been learned it is that people don't like super insane?
Teara
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MegaManEXE wrote:

30 SP or so invested into this map? And not one modder said anything about the pointlessly large spacing and unnecessary streams?
For the record, when I modded this, those back and forth deathstreams didn't exist~

and

@Ouran~ I honestly preferred the older insane then the one with back and forth ~deathstreams~ :)

Shulin wrote:

if a lesson has been learned it is that people don't like super insane?
No, people like super insanes~ but only if someone who is popular maps it I guess
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MaxwellDemon
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I don't think you should blame it all on the BATs about bad streams and all that, considering quite a few of them showed their opinion by saying it is a mediocre map (alright, they weren't exactly DIRECT about it... but I could tell they weren't exactly thrilled). whymeman had made note in his notes that there were some pretty bad spacings and your map wasn't exactly fun.

Nharox was not the only one that made note of the maps' qualities when it was still in pending. Daru has done so as well... and it seems like alvisto had something about the streams as well. strager seems to have made a few interesting comment.

And then there was...

ouranhshc wrote:

i like everything the way it is
If I were one of the BATs, I'd just sigh at this point and go, "Alright, just rank this. It isn't going to get any better at this rate."

I'll admit that the modding process was not as thorough as the criticisms given now. Since now that it is actually ranked, the real players finally reveal themselves to criticize a map that they had previously thought did not exist (there are a lot of maps to go through in the pending).

And @Shulin, I'll agree with you here and say that I think of most the people here tend to rate judging by the hardest difficulty. :P
ouranhshc
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MaxwellDemon
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Hahaha, alright, let me put it to you this way. I had a map that I felt exactly the same way as you do right now... and guess what, it is still ranked. :P

You are just going to have to think whether the criticism is worth taking to your next map, this map is done and over with and it'll be there unfortunately.

And hey, ratings aren't exactly everything... there are... uh... you know... maps with lower ratings than your's.
ouranhshc
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i know.... I just hate it when the real players decide to voice their opinions after a map is ranked
MaxwellDemon
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Well, you are just only on your 2nd ranked maps. People makes mistakes here and there. :)

And truth to be told, most mappers don't learn their mistakes AFTER ranking anyway, regardless of the players. It is because when you first make that map, you can't help but to think that it is the best map you had made ever or something along the lines of that... it takes a few days or weeks until that veil goes away.

I can tell you that I think most mappers have a map that they wished they had done better on, so, don't fret, you are not the first one. Just keep mapping and improving on your techniques. :)
ouranhshc
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Gabi
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you can't expect everyone to mod your map and you can't expect everyone to check your map before it is ranked. it's not possible.

MaxwellDemon wrote:

Well, you are just only on your 2nd ranked maps. People makes mistakes here and there. :)

And truth to be told, most mappers don't learn their mistakes AFTER ranking anyway, regardless of the players. It is because when you first make that map, you can't help but to think that it is the best map you had made ever or something along the lines of that... it takes a few days or weeks until that veil goes away.

I can tell you that I think most mappers have a map that they wished they had done better on, so, don't fret, you are not the first one. Just keep mapping and improving on your techniques. :)

^ this guy knows what he is talking about.
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
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Gabi
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ouranhshc
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Alace
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lol It is a long thread now

To ask yourself (Is my map fun to play)
I guess the answer is YES for most people
I thought http://osu.ppy.sh/s/3661 is fun to playone year ago (I think it`s a crap now)
I thought http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4155 sounds good one year ago (come on my diff is a holy crap)
I realized that my maps are not good enough because of low rating (7.9~8.1)
Why can darri and Al make so high rating maps (i start to learn/copy their style)

After few months mapping i realize one thing
I am not a fucking native mapper

It is the 10000% true my old maps are really really bad (but i still love them so much because they are parts of me)
I got some ways to improve my mapping skills

1.play more
you may say wat!!! but it is really useful,i don`t mean to play one song 65535 times lol
there are over 2000 ranked maps,come on just play those maps,you may find some good stuffs
you can also improve your playing skill,it is a very important factor to make a good insane map

2.copy
James told me that he is a copy king,he copies things he loving and uses in his maps
copy is not that easy, if you use an idea in a wrong song,people may loooooooool
to understand WHY they do that in their maps is the basic thing of copy
in other words: USE YOUR BRAIN

3.Find test players
pick some people to play your maps(not pick some people to mod your maps)
some people just use edit mode to mod maps,this is the worst modding way
maps are for play not for mod(We mod
when i make an insane map i will pick 10~15 people to play it (#10~#1000)
when i make an normal map i will pick 3~5 people to play it (#100~#5000)
I will spec and ask what they are thinking

4.Work with other mappers
I learned a lot when i work with kiou2+Al-Azif,we share our mapping ideas

5.Think about mod posts
Don`t just change things what people say,pick the really useful modding

well i already typed a long ass post
you are really a lucky guy because you have a kow rating map
you have a chance to improve yourself
some new mappers had a high rating first map (8.8~9.1),so they start to think that they are pro mappers
but if they really think things like that,they will stop improving

I will mod your another TERRA map anyway
Xgor
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Xgor
The user rating isn't that bad.... (At least not that bad compared to Dicks are for my friend :( )
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc
Thats the advice i like. It doesn't sound like you chewing me out either. XD. its more constructive than negative.

thank you alace.
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc

Xgor wrote:

The user rating isn't that bad.... (At least not that bad compared to Dicks are for my friend :( )
its gone from 5.2 to 7.1 XD
James
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dont worry dood, people usually complain AFTER a map has been ranked. it happens all the time...
ouranhshc
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i just don't want people to take the experience with this map and apply it to my other maps in which has already happened.
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