This is ridiculous.
Shoot Lilac with bullets of fried tofu and fried dumplings.
Shoot Lilac with bullets of fried tofu and fried dumplings.
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Yes but they cannot have a killing dream at the same time.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: Does the player who is doing the factional kill get to dream up an action as well?
It seems Lilac ate too much fried food that he choked to death.
Lilac has died from choking to death by fried food.
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Vote Count 2.08
Not Voting (9) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, Nyquill, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Not Voting (9) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, Nyquill, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
ok what
I'm a pink marshmallow~
I'm a pink marshmallow~
As Tanzklaue most likely guessed, CalignoBot had a genuine dayvig.
He had a feeling that we might get too bogged down in speculation about night actions and wouldn't get a whole lot done, so he took measures to ensure that he could still maintain influence in this situation.
Buuuuuuuut... this latest string of fake dayvigs was too much. There was so much anti-town sentiment in it that he couldn't justify allowing ALL of them to live.
He had a feeling that we might get too bogged down in speculation about night actions and wouldn't get a whole lot done, so he took measures to ensure that he could still maintain influence in this situation.
Buuuuuuuut... this latest string of fake dayvigs was too much. There was so much anti-town sentiment in it that he couldn't justify allowing ALL of them to live.
and what aexactly was your reasoning to shoot lilac?
I'm a pink marshmallow~
I'm a pink marshmallow~
is that really the only reason you have for shooting?
I'm a pink marshmallow~
I'm a pink marshmallow~
1) I would really not care if nyquill died because he's no where to be seen.Raging Bull wrote:
Also little suspicious of Tsukasa for shooting Nyquill then claiming its reaction test. If I were to give a real dayvig to you, then you really just killed someone without thinking.
2) I just really don't care if nyquill died because WHERE IS HE?!
Caligno:
Why not lady subaru? It would have been way better
Why not lady subaru? It would have been way better
I think V/LA? Whatever the hell that is.Tsukasa wrote:
1) I would really not care if nyquill died because he's no where to be seen.Raging Bull wrote:
Also little suspicious of Tsukasa for shooting Nyquill then claiming its reaction test. If I were to give a real dayvig to you, then you really just killed someone without thinking.
2) I just really don't care if nyquill died because WHERE IS HE?!
Topic Starter
V/LA = Vacation / Limited Access.Raging Bull wrote:
V/LA? Whatever the hell that is.
Wasn't his V/LA over like... a week ago? 1 day AFTER you guys NL'd :/Raging Bull wrote:
I think V/LA? Whatever the hell that is.
I don't know, but we can't really do anything about Nyquill yet. He's really just gone.
What was your dream?
What was your dream?
Lilac's posts were more fluffy than productive, even when the post restriction is taken out of the equation.Tsukasa wrote:
Caligno:
Why not lady subaru? It would have been way better
Plus LadySubaru didn't take part in that mess of fake dayvigs.
Lilac didn't even have a post restriction.
Sakura wrote:
Yes but they cannot have a killing dream at the same time.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: Does the player who is doing the factional kill get to dream up an action as well?
Actually
@Mod, can scum dream anything that relates to killing at all?
Topic Starter
@Mod, can scum dream anything that relates to killing at all?Yes, as long as they didnt perform the mafiakill.
Everyone dream they are a day vig tomorrow and do texas justice mafia style?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... tice_Mafia
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... tice_Mafia
Nyquill pops in briefly.
"Posting to say I'm away until tomorrow so please don't do anything crazy until then."
*poof*
"Posting to say I'm away until tomorrow so please don't do anything crazy until then."
*poof*
Tsukasa wrote:
GOD RB NO
@Caligno
Does this still warrent a vote?
1. It's not productive at all, and I wouldn't find fake-shooting fun.
2. I redirected all actions from me to BRBP, as I said. I didn't recieve a fake dayvig.
@Tsukasa: Mind telling me why you're also on the "Let's get rid of LS" wagon?
Vote: LadySubaruI explained the first point, and the second point is pretty much how I always operate every game, regardless of alignment.
That post reeks.
1. That FoS list doesn't make any sense. The reasoning in that post looks alignment-neutral to CalignoBot.
2. Testing the waters.
Does this still warrent a vote?
His shooting post was the scummiest of all of the.mThis about Lilac's shooting post. Which was posted after it was already known everyone had a fake dayvig. Your second posted reason at least makes a little sense, but come on. These shots don't benefit town at all, since we don't get a reliable alignment confirmation out of them and we're just weeding down the number of players. There's also a much higher chance we're hitting town than scum, but we don't even know. Besides, if a scum member is lost they'll likely be revived, unless we make it a point to not revive players. Even that plan has flaws, as scum could revive town to try to make us waste a lynch. I don't think vigshots are useful in this setup, due to lack of reveal. (excluding special cases.)
Plus LadySubaru didn't take part in that mess of fake dayvigs.I wouldn't have even if I could have.
1. It's not productive at all, and I wouldn't find fake-shooting fun.
2. I redirected all actions from me to BRBP, as I said. I didn't recieve a fake dayvig.
@Tsukasa: Mind telling me why you're also on the "Let's get rid of LS" wagon?
Mod: Lilac isn't crossed out in the opening post.
Anyway, I honestly have no idea what's the best direction we should go today. Did no one really opt for an investigative action?
I can think of three ways:
A) NL today and hope that the night actions end in our favor.
B) We lynch based on PoE and our suspicions based on the claimed actions - particularly the "trap". I don't believe that it's in town's best interest to lay a trap like that. If I'm mistaken then whoever did it, please come out.
C) We lynch based on our suspicions independent of the "trap".
Anyway, I honestly have no idea what's the best direction we should go today. Did no one really opt for an investigative action?
I can think of three ways:
A) NL today and hope that the night actions end in our favor.
B) We lynch based on PoE and our suspicions based on the claimed actions - particularly the "trap". I don't believe that it's in town's best interest to lay a trap like that. If I'm mistaken then whoever did it, please come out.
C) We lynch based on our suspicions independent of the "trap".
I don't think NL helps us. in all the games I played we almost always NL'd day 1, and it was always terribad.
I'm interested why RB would give everyone fake day vig with restrictions to it that could possibly kill us. I really don't see that much townmotivation behind it.
I am a pink marshmallow~
I'm interested why RB would give everyone fake day vig with restrictions to it that could possibly kill us. I really don't see that much townmotivation behind it.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Tanzklaue wrote:
I'm interested why RB would give everyone fake day vig with restrictions to it that could possibly kill us. I really don't see that much townmotivation behind it.
I am a pink marshmallow~
I did not set a damn trap or anything.Raging Bull wrote:
The only restriction I made was they cannot say they are a day vig. Fart never said he was. He mentioned the words day vig. I also did not set a penalty. Unless the mod somehow read me saying as "they cannot mention they are a day vig until they shoot" as "If they mention day vig, they will die" then it seems like somebody set us up the trap and fart triggered it.
And if you think I'm scum, why the hell would I just reveal what I did when only one person shot? I would have most likely let other people have fun arguing who was the real dayvig or not.
do you imply that you knew of the existence of a real dayvig?
also, this isn't about the trap, but about the regulation that you aren't able to speak about you having it unless you used it (btw. everyone shoot me so you can safely get rid of that shit). we didn't know about the trap that was set, but we knew of the restriction. do you deny to have set the restriction?
I am a pink marshmallow~
also, this isn't about the trap, but about the regulation that you aren't able to speak about you having it unless you used it (btw. everyone shoot me so you can safely get rid of that shit). we didn't know about the trap that was set, but we knew of the restriction. do you deny to have set the restriction?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I don't know any existence of a real dayvig. I just said in my dream except for a real day vig so there won't be conflict if mod wants player x to be a real dayvig or fake.
No I do not deny about restriction. I did set it to where they cannot speak of it unless they shoot.
No I do not deny about restriction. I did set it to where they cannot speak of it unless they shoot.
point still stands, why would you as a town player set a deadly restriction on the day vig?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I am a pink marshmallow~
it's not deadly. I never set a penalty if they revealed it. I think the mod just decided to kill because of misinterpretation. If you think about it, why did Tsukasa not die? He would have died too because he revealed he was a vig before he shot. Nothing in my dream mentioned a trap. So he would have died too, but he didn't. So the trap was set by someone else.
but how can a trap be set without knowledge of the trigger if you know what I mean?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I am a pink marshmallow~
I don't know what you mean. You mean how would I know if I set a trap because of my restriction? I don't know. All I did was have fun with my dream. I didn't plan on dreaming stuff that kills people. Hell my second option for my dream was for everyone to post with images.
well, then why did farto explode?
what kind of trap could've been set by scum that would be activated by fart?
does anyone who didn't shoot have the balls to test what RB just claimed? that it isn't deadly to claim day vig without shooting?
also please everyone, claim your actions. it would be most helpful if you did. no secrets anymore, we need information now. we are already down by 3, and the way this game swings, we could go down to only 8 at any moment. we also need to configure a plan on how to catch scum. let's assume the worst case scenario of alll three scum still living (assuming that we fight 3 scum). then we are basically at semi-MyLo just now. it may be smart to at least protect some of us with BP or doctors. or better yet, jailkeeping a bunch. we could reduce the number of kills to 0 (from 3) if we get the right countermeasures.
do I need to add that please no townie shoots from this point on except for getting rid of the joke day vig now? we can't risk any more towndeaths at this point.
I am done for today, I hope that i will see a bunch of useful stuff tomorrow.
I am a pink marshmallow~
what kind of trap could've been set by scum that would be activated by fart?
does anyone who didn't shoot have the balls to test what RB just claimed? that it isn't deadly to claim day vig without shooting?
also please everyone, claim your actions. it would be most helpful if you did. no secrets anymore, we need information now. we are already down by 3, and the way this game swings, we could go down to only 8 at any moment. we also need to configure a plan on how to catch scum. let's assume the worst case scenario of alll three scum still living (assuming that we fight 3 scum). then we are basically at semi-MyLo just now. it may be smart to at least protect some of us with BP or doctors. or better yet, jailkeeping a bunch. we could reduce the number of kills to 0 (from 3) if we get the right countermeasures.
do I need to add that please no townie shoots from this point on except for getting rid of the joke day vig now? we can't risk any more towndeaths at this point.
I am done for today, I hope that i will see a bunch of useful stuff tomorrow.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Tsukasa mentioned dayvig and he didnt die
After you said it
Vote: CalignoBot
A response would be nice.
Also, we're approaching deadline everyone.
A response would be nice.
Also, we're approaching deadline everyone.
Nyquill rejoins the town after reading through the past few pages.
Nyquill was about to say something, but just before he did, he realized something else.
"right.. shoot: tanz"
Nyquill goes back to the ISOs and sighs heavily.
"he still hasn't claimed yet...."
Nyquill was about to say something, but just before he did, he realized something else.
"right.. shoot: tanz"
"He did actually mention 'vig' but not specifically day vig before shooting me. Also, the trap may very well have been one-use, so fartownik would have been the only victim... though to be safe I shot just in case".Raging Bull wrote:
After you said it
Nyquill goes back to the ISOs and sighs heavily.
"he still hasn't claimed yet...."
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.08
Not Voting (9) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, Nyquill, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Not Voting (9) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, Nyquill, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Moderator's Notes: Slightly less than 24 hours remaing until deadline.
This has been bugging me for a bit, but pieguy's contradiction (plus light flip-flopping and consistent "lapse in reading") are compounding and ringing a couple of bells.
Because I don't quite have the time - I am referring to his vote on NH (then me and back) as he states that NH seems a bit off due to a lack of posting but reverses that opinion stating everyone seems normal a couple of posts later. Then he goes back to NH with the same reason, reversing again.and he hasn't mentioned gut feelings once
@Tanz - RB makes a good point in the fact that if he was scum and intentionally set a trap, why would he reveal himself as such? Seems like a really dumb move to me. (and before we meta back to dota where he did a similar thing, there were 2 scum factions). As such I'm satisfied with his side of the story for now.
You can find what I did last night if you dig back.
Because I don't quite have the time - I am referring to his vote on NH (then me and back) as he states that NH seems a bit off due to a lack of posting but reverses that opinion stating everyone seems normal a couple of posts later. Then he goes back to NH with the same reason, reversing again.
@Tanz - RB makes a good point in the fact that if he was scum and intentionally set a trap, why would he reveal himself as such? Seems like a really dumb move to me. (and before we meta back to dota where he did a similar thing, there were 2 scum factions). As such I'm satisfied with his side of the story for now.
You can find what I did last night if you dig back.
Remilia seemed annoyed
"24 hours before lynch and we haven't thought of anything... oh well, it's not like it mattered cause my role was fake anyway"
Shoot: LadySuburu
"i wanted to give town an extra lynch, but that didn't work.." she said, feeling sad
"srsly, I find it weird I really have no power here. under normal circumstances, I can kill people and even alter fate ~ "
"I blame the sunlight, like I did for just about everything already"
"24 hours before lynch and we haven't thought of anything... oh well, it's not like it mattered cause my role was fake anyway"
Shoot: LadySuburu
"i wanted to give town an extra lynch, but that didn't work.." she said, feeling sad
"srsly, I find it weird I really have no power here. under normal circumstances, I can kill people and even alter fate ~ "
"I blame the sunlight, like I did for just about everything already"
Self-meta is even less convincing than regular meta. If someone acts like they're testing the waters, I'm not going to give them a pass on it if I do not have enough personal experience with it.LadySuburu wrote:
@CalignoVote: LadySubaruI explained the first point, and the second point is pretty much how I always operate every game, regardless of alignment.
That post reeks.
1. That FoS list doesn't make any sense. The reasoning in that post looks alignment-neutral to CalignoBot.
2. Testing the waters.
Does this still warrent a vote?
As for the first point, I responded to your response and don't remember seeing a continuation. If I somehow missed it, point me towards it.
That entire mess (which is still going on?) was heavily anti-town. That shot was partially used as a way of saying stop, since it's pretty clear words weren't enough. Now it's clear actions weren't enough, either.LadySuburu wrote:
His shooting post was the scummiest of all of the.mThis about Lilac's shooting post. Which was posted after it was already known everyone had a fake dayvig. Your second posted reason at least makes a little sense, but come on. These shots don't benefit town at all, since we don't get a reliable alignment confirmation out of them and we're just weeding down the number of players. There's also a much higher chance we're hitting town than scum, but we don't even know. Besides, if a scum member is lost they'll likely be revived, unless we make it a point to not revive players. Even that plan has flaws, as scum could revive town to try to make us waste a lynch. I don't think vigshots are useful in this setup, due to lack of reveal. (excluding special cases.)
You're taking this out of context.LadySuburu wrote:
Plus LadySubaru didn't take part in that mess of fake dayvigs.I wouldn't have even if I could have.
1. It's not productive at all, and I wouldn't find fake-shooting fun.
2. I redirected all actions from me to BRBP, as I said. I didn't recieve a fake dayvig.
Scumslip.Tanzklaue wrote:
well, then why did farto explode?
what kind of trap could've been set by scum that would be activated by fart?
does anyone who didn't shoot have the balls to test what RB just claimed? that it isn't deadly to claim day vig without shooting?
also please everyone, claim your actions. it would be most helpful if you did. no secrets anymore, we need information now. we are already down by 3, and the way this game swings, we could go down to only 8 at any moment. we also need to configure a plan on how to catch scum. let's assume the worst case scenario of alll three scum still living (assuming that we fight 3 scum). then we are basically at semi-MyLo just now. it may be smart to at least protect some of us with BP or doctors. or better yet, jailkeeping a bunch. we could reduce the number of kills to 0 (from 3) if we get the right countermeasures.
do I need to add that please no townie shoots from this point on except for getting rid of the joke day vig now? we can't risk any more towndeaths at this point.
I am done for today, I hope that i will see a bunch of useful stuff tomorrow.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Unvote: LadySubaru
Vote: Tanzklaue
Remilia started laughing at what Tanz said
"ahahahaha ~"
"If that's real, ggs. but I think if you're cautious enough, it's possible for town to viably say that, especially if you're not familiar with no reveal (like me..)"
"ahahahaha ~"
"If that's real, ggs. but I think if you're cautious enough, it's possible for town to viably say that, especially if you're not familiar with no reveal (like me..)"
Not really. That would be overly paranoid town, and that doesn't mesh well with the paragraph before that.
No more third person ?
Caligno: Why fake a post restriction? I do not see any town points for doing so (I've tried doing that as town before and when I did so I realized it was pretty worthless to do so.
Caligno brings an interesting "slip" though with Tanz saying "towndeath" when we don't know if they're town.
Next, I do not think RB set the trap like that. If that is so, then I wonder what exactly did farto do to trigger the death, but I don't think we have the time to discuss it anyway with the deadline closing.
Vote: Tanz
Caligno brings an interesting "slip" though with Tanz saying "towndeath" when we don't know if they're town.
Next, I do not think RB set the trap like that. If that is so, then I wonder what exactly did farto do to trigger the death, but I don't think we have the time to discuss it anyway with the deadline closing.
Vote: Tanz
I never once faked a post restriction. On the contrary, I specifically stated it wasn't one the first time it was brought up.
it's funny how you mention the previous paragraph, but fail to make the connection that I talked about towndeaths under the assumption of the worst case. for all that I know, there might be scum under the dead. but I think that the worst case is not only really shitty, but also the most likely.CalignoBot wrote:
Scumslip.Tanzklaue wrote:
well, then why did farto explode?
what kind of trap could've been set by scum that would be activated by fart?
does anyone who didn't shoot have the balls to test what RB just claimed? that it isn't deadly to claim day vig without shooting?
also please everyone, claim your actions. it would be most helpful if you did. no secrets anymore, we need information now. we are already down by 3, and the way this game swings, we could go down to only 8 at any moment. we also need to configure a plan on how to catch scum. let's assume the worst case scenario of alll three scum still living (assuming that we fight 3 scum). then we are basically at semi-MyLo just now. it may be smart to at least protect some of us with BP or doctors. or better yet, jailkeeping a bunch. we could reduce the number of kills to 0 (from 3) if we get the right countermeasures.
do I need to add that please no townie shoots from this point on except for getting rid of the joke day vig now? we can't risk any more towndeaths at this point.
I am done for today, I hope that i will see a bunch of useful stuff tomorrow.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Unvote: LadySubaru
Vote: Tanzklaue
it also takes a paranoid person to read a scumslip out of that. if it was something like "we don't need anymore towndeaths at this point", that would be a slip. as it stands, I think it's a pretty weak accusation, and by far not strong enough to vote for me instead of some other candidates.
you also still need to bring up a good reason why you shot your dayvig without townconsensus. just to stop discussions? really?
I am a pink marshmallow~
The wording is pretty much irrelevant. What you did was go on about the assumption that town died, then essentially confirmed it.Tanzklaue wrote:
it's funny how you mention the previous paragraph, but fail to make the connection that I talked about towndeaths under the assumption of the worst case. for all that I know, there might be scum under the dead. but I think that the worst case is not only really shitty, but also the most likely.
it also takes a paranoid person to read a scumslip out of that. if it was something like "we don't need anymore towndeaths at this point", that would be a slip. as it stands, I think it's a pretty weak accusation, and by far not strong enough to vote for me instead of some other candidates.
you also still need to bring up a good reason why you shot your dayvig without townconsensus. just to stop discussions? really?
I am a pink marshmallow~
Saying I shot just to stop discussion is a misrep. I already went into why I shot, but I wanted to steer town towards talking about productive things instead of the wild dead end that is the fake dayvig business.
Plus, Tsukasa is living proof that everyone shooting their dayvig is basically pointless.
everyone shooting their day vig was a precaution, because what if tsukasa didn't die for other reasons?
also, where did I confirm that town died? I didn't do that. you are laying words in my mouth. as I said, the wording isn't irrelevant, as the way I worded it originally related to what I said previously. which basically means that your accusaton of me confirming anything is wrong.
you also didn't try to stir up any discussion yourself after you shot, so why are you surprised to see people still talking about the day vig thing?
deadline is approaching, so I will throw out my vote for now.
Vote: NH
while caligno has at least foundations in his accusations (even if they are really weak and straw graspy), you just hopped on the bandwagon.
I am a pink marshmallow~
also, where did I confirm that town died? I didn't do that. you are laying words in my mouth. as I said, the wording isn't irrelevant, as the way I worded it originally related to what I said previously. which basically means that your accusaton of me confirming anything is wrong.
you also didn't try to stir up any discussion yourself after you shot, so why are you surprised to see people still talking about the day vig thing?
deadline is approaching, so I will throw out my vote for now.
Vote: NH
while caligno has at least foundations in his accusations (even if they are really weak and straw graspy), you just hopped on the bandwagon.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Since when is BW-ing when agreeing on a reason necessarily scummy?
And I think that you can say that we're all grasping for straws here since we have practically no leads. Unless someone makes a better case against someone or I find someone acting more suspicious, I'm sticking with my vote.
(and I swear if I die Day 1/Night 1 again... *sigh*)
And I think that you can say that we're all grasping for straws here since we have practically no leads. Unless someone makes a better case against someone or I find someone acting more suspicious, I'm sticking with my vote.
(and I swear if I die Day 1/Night 1 again... *sigh*)
The only reason I can think of for Tsukasa not dying is if the trap can only be triggered once.
The way you posted that is why it's a scumslip. You're going on and on about what happens if only town has died, but then suddenly you switch to saying that town shouldn't shoot anymore because we can't risk any more towndeaths. That is direct evidence that you know the people who were killed today were town.
The way you posted that is why it's a scumslip. You're going on and on about what happens if only town has died, but then suddenly you switch to saying that town shouldn't shoot anymore because we can't risk any more towndeaths. That is direct evidence that you know the people who were killed today were town.
well, I don't know. it also doesn't imply that, how often should i repeat myself?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I am a pink marshmallow~
also, just think about it.
the curse I have is most likely from scum, since it's easy to forget it. why should scum curse themselves with a potential kill?
and yes, there is the chance of town doing this, but it is rather small aai blieve inb4 fucking BRBP going full anti town from the start on us.
I am a pink marshmallow~
the curse I have is most likely from scum, since it's easy to forget it. why should scum curse themselves with a potential kill?
and yes, there is the chance of town doing this, but it is rather small aai blieve inb4 fucking BRBP going full anti town from the start on us.
I am a pink marshmallow~
That could just as easily be the balance of a strong role.
what do you mean with that?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I am a pink marshmallow~
From what I can tell, you're more likely to be given a strong role if you handicap yourself in some way in order to be able to use it.
a) I would just give myself a strong role, without handicap.
b) if I was scum and my scumbuddies were to give me a strong role, they wouldn't penalize it aswell.
c) town would probably not hand out super strong roles to others if they are unsure of their alignment, handicap or not.
basically, you say I am more likely to be blessed with handicap by town than to be cursed by scum? you really just grasp straws now.
I am a pink marshmallow~
b) if I was scum and my scumbuddies were to give me a strong role, they wouldn't penalize it aswell.
c) town would probably not hand out super strong roles to others if they are unsure of their alignment, handicap or not.
basically, you say I am more likely to be blessed with handicap by town than to be cursed by scum? you really just grasp straws now.
I am a pink marshmallow~
...no.
I'm trying to say that you would've given yourself one.
I'm trying to say that you would've given yourself one.
okay, why would I give myself silly restrictions then?CalignoBot wrote:
...no.
I'm trying to say that you would've given yourself one.
I am a pink marshmallow~
CalignoBot wrote:
From what I can tell, you're more likely to be given a strong role if you handicap yourself in some way in order to be able to use it.
still, why would anyone attach a handicap to a role if they are town?
why would scum attach any role at all?
you also seem awfully sure of me being scum. that makes you yourself not looking any better. but since everyone here does such a great job at being active, I will die tonight. unless people decide to actually vote in the next 4 hours.
I am a pink marshmallow~
why would scum attach any role at all?
you also seem awfully sure of me being scum. that makes you yourself not looking any better. but since everyone here does such a great job at being active, I will die tonight. unless people decide to actually vote in the next 4 hours.
I am a pink marshmallow~
This is getting tiring. You're really not providing any kind of argument or counter; you're either arguing things that have already been answered or small semantics.
Dreams are rewarded for creativity. Making a dream that has significant pros and significant cons to balance it out is creative.
Really strong roles are almost certainly going to require some drawback to be able to use it.
Dreams are rewarded for creativity. Making a dream that has significant pros and significant cons to balance it out is creative.
Really strong roles are almost certainly going to require some drawback to be able to use it.
I said what I dreamed of. being Bulletproof. I didn't need a drawback for that, just a heavy weapons guy.
I also find it quite tiring, you keep pressuring despite your only point being a slip that is null-ish if we are completely honest here. you ping all sorts of bells in my head right now.
focussing down on one player, especially if you have almost no evidence, is almost never good for the town. you also complained about me always saying the same things. you didnb't provide anything new either, so what am I supposed to say?
I am a pink marshmallow~
I also find it quite tiring, you keep pressuring despite your only point being a slip that is null-ish if we are completely honest here. you ping all sorts of bells in my head right now.
focussing down on one player, especially if you have almost no evidence, is almost never good for the town. you also complained about me always saying the same things. you didnb't provide anything new either, so what am I supposed to say?
I am a pink marshmallow~
Bulletproof is not really provable and it's one of the more safe claims. I'm not inclined to believe it's genuine right now, either. You claimed bulletproof right after the fartownik death, which would normally point towards it being genuine, but you completely stayed away from NoHitter's assertion that he was willing to test it; you only went back and responded to it directly after Tsukasa's shot failed. This is pretty telling.
You didn't respond adequately to my claim that what you said is a scumslip. Pretty much all you said in response to my explanation is that it's not implied with no detail whatsoever added on (and to be honest, I'm not even sure if that was responding to this or not; I'm assuming it was since it's the only one that makes sense and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt with this). This is hardly compelling.
You said that you most likely got the restriction from scum because it's a risk of a potential kill, but then you respond to my assertion that 'mafia can easily give themselves or each other the restriction in order to be more sure that they will get a really strong role they want' by saying they wouldn't at all, which is completely missing the point. You're deflecting the issue every single time I bring it up. I stated from the beginning why mafia would give themselves a post restriction like that, it's so that whatever they dream for is more likely to become reality.
Not only this, but you're also trying to use this same logic train to try to push the blame back on me. If you want to make a legitimate case on me, lay out why I'm scum from what I said.
You didn't respond adequately to my claim that what you said is a scumslip. Pretty much all you said in response to my explanation is that it's not implied with no detail whatsoever added on (and to be honest, I'm not even sure if that was responding to this or not; I'm assuming it was since it's the only one that makes sense and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt with this). This is hardly compelling.
You said that you most likely got the restriction from scum because it's a risk of a potential kill, but then you respond to my assertion that 'mafia can easily give themselves or each other the restriction in order to be more sure that they will get a really strong role they want' by saying they wouldn't at all, which is completely missing the point. You're deflecting the issue every single time I bring it up. I stated from the beginning why mafia would give themselves a post restriction like that, it's so that whatever they dream for is more likely to become reality.
Not only this, but you're also trying to use this same logic train to try to push the blame back on me. If you want to make a legitimate case on me, lay out why I'm scum from what I said.
you can only send in one dream and it will come true as far as I understood. there is no need for negative sideeffects.
while not necessarily being helpful to town, the day vig discussion was at least a discussion. it was better than what normally happens at day 1, which is RVS and then a whole lot of nothing at all.
you shot lilac without any townconsensus, which no day vig should ever do, especially if the person doesn't flip from your kill. killing lilac to stop the day vig discussion was, from my point of view, something really scummy, as it both stopped discussion and killed potential town. let's be honest, lilac was basically null leaning minimal scum for most of us I guess.
adding to that, your play seems rather odd in this one. except this very last post, your posts overall where more like little tid bits, and less the normal analytical playstyle that I've seen from you. your whole behaviour is odd to me. I can't exactly say why by pointing things out of your posts, I'm no good at it, but just the whole thing seems like you are not 100% confident in what you say. if you really thought or knew that I was scum, you would've probably nailed me down lot more and had more valid points than just a nullslip and the accusation of me lying about my nightactions.also you didn't die N1 
question: do you believe that RB is scum?
I am a pink amrshmallow~
while not necessarily being helpful to town, the day vig discussion was at least a discussion. it was better than what normally happens at day 1, which is RVS and then a whole lot of nothing at all.
you shot lilac without any townconsensus, which no day vig should ever do, especially if the person doesn't flip from your kill. killing lilac to stop the day vig discussion was, from my point of view, something really scummy, as it both stopped discussion and killed potential town. let's be honest, lilac was basically null leaning minimal scum for most of us I guess.
adding to that, your play seems rather odd in this one. except this very last post, your posts overall where more like little tid bits, and less the normal analytical playstyle that I've seen from you. your whole behaviour is odd to me. I can't exactly say why by pointing things out of your posts, I'm no good at it, but just the whole thing seems like you are not 100% confident in what you say. if you really thought or knew that I was scum, you would've probably nailed me down lot more and had more valid points than just a nullslip and the accusation of me lying about my nightactions.
question: do you believe that RB is scum?
I am a pink amrshmallow~
well shit...
I am dead I guess...
I am a pink marshmallow~
I am dead I guess...
I am a pink marshmallow~
well, as long as I am still alive, might aswell tell you what I meant with the RB thing:
if I was lying about BP, then i would have to be completely confident in nobody being able to kill me, which would mean that I and RB had to be scum partners. on the other hand, you were a real day vig (which means that there was the possiility of real dayvigs existing), but you decided to shoot potential town instead of testing my claim. your whole case could've been tested b you, but you decided to fire at lilac. which makes no sense.
I advise all people to take care of caligno, in one way or another. aybe god has mercy on me and let's my typo slip.
I am a pink marshmallow~
if I was lying about BP, then i would have to be completely confident in nobody being able to kill me, which would mean that I and RB had to be scum partners. on the other hand, you were a real day vig (which means that there was the possiility of real dayvigs existing), but you decided to shoot potential town instead of testing my claim. your whole case could've been tested b you, but you decided to fire at lilac. which makes no sense.
I advise all people to take care of caligno, in one way or another. aybe god has mercy on me and let's my typo slip.
I am a pink marshmallow~
Nyquill furrows her brow.
"tanz and caligno are likely both town."
vote: pieguy
"I have good reason to believe someone is lying about their dream, and I really think pieguy's dream is the least likely"
"tanz and caligno are likely both town."
vote: pieguy
"I have good reason to believe someone is lying about their dream, and I really think pieguy's dream is the least likely"
I explained why I shot several times already.Tanzklaue wrote:
while not necessarily being helpful to town, the day vig discussion was at least a discussion. it was better than what normally happens at day 1, which is RVS and then a whole lot of nothing at all.
you shot lilac without any townconsensus, which no day vig should ever do, especially if the person doesn't flip from your kill. killing lilac to stop the day vig discussion was, from my point of view, something really scummy, as it both stopped discussion and killed potential town. let's be honest, lilac was basically null leaning minimal scum for most of us I guess.
The dayvig discussion was a blanket nullscum vibe. It was basically useless discussion and the amount of stuff we ended up getting out of it was basically just fartownik dying, which only revealed that this fake dayvig business was not a viable course for the town to steer towards.
Lilac made the scummiest post regarding that discussion, which is why I shot him in particular. His post had a lot of fluff in it, not counting the roleplay elements. It was after I said we should stop talking about the dayvig and move on to scumhunting, and the fluff that was in the post read as more scum than any other post in that discussion.
So yes, I was stifling discussion. However, I was not stifling useful discussion; I was stifling useless discussion.
Yes, I am aware this is self-meta.Tanzklaue wrote:
adding to that, your play seems rather odd in this one. except this very last post, your posts overall where more like little tid bits, and less the normal analytical playstyle that I've seen from you. your whole behaviour is odd to me. I can't exactly say why by pointing things out of your posts, I'm no good at it, but just the whole thing seems like you are not 100% confident in what you say. if you really thought or knew that I was scum, you would've probably nailed me down lot more and had more valid points than just a nullslip and the accusation of me lying about my nightactions.also you didn't die N1
Day 1 is very difficult to get solid reads on for me, especially when 3/4 of the thread is centered around night action information that is pretty much inherently unhelpful. Latching on hard to small things is actually how I start getting reads; the only reason it took this long is because my first attempt ended up getting cut short (fartownik) and my second attempt ended up equalizing towards a more nullish read than anything else (LS).
I didn't really get solid reads of any kind from that either, so here I am pressuring someone again.
No, not really. I see his dream as a null tell.Tanzklaue wrote:
question: do you believe that RB is scum?
That can easily be a gambit. I've already went into why I don't fully believe the claim; your actions regarding getting shot to test your claim were entirely absent until immediately after the dayvigs were all shown to be fake.Tanzklaue wrote:
well, as long as I am still alive, might aswell tell you what I meant with the RB thing:
if I was lying about BP, then i would have to be completely confident in nobody being able to kill me, which would mean that I and RB had to be scum partners. on the other hand, you were a real day vig (which means that there was the possiility of real dayvigs existing), but you decided to shoot potential town instead of testing my claim. your whole case could've been tested b you, but you decided to fire at lilac. which makes no sense.
I advise all people to take care of caligno, in one way or another. aybe god has mercy on me and let's my typo slip.
I am a pink marshmallow~
It's relatively low risk as well, since your alignment would not be flipped upon your death; it raises so much WIFOM that it doesn't actually help town all that much at all. Your scumbuddies would just muddy the waters further by saying that the bulletproof part was turned off somehow or something similar.
It really isn't all that risky a gambit, and you don't need to be on a scumteam with Raging Bull in order to make it work.
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Vote Count 2.09
Tanzklaue (2) - CalignoBot, NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Tanzklaue
pieguy1372 (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Tanzklaue (2) - CalignoBot, NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Tanzklaue
pieguy1372 (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, pieguy1372
With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline has been extended until i get to my workplace tomorrow since i won't be here by deadline, should be about 7 hours or so longer.
Remilia looked surprised at thisNyquill wrote:
Nyquill furrows her brow.
"tanz and caligno are likely both town."
vote: pieguy
"I have good reason to believe someone is lying about their dream, and I really think pieguy's dream is the least likely"
"ask anyone here, you must not know him", she said, with a playful look on her face
Nyquill seemed genuinely annoyed at this.pieguy1372 wrote:
Remilia looked surprised at thisNyquill wrote:
Nyquill furrows her brow.
"tanz and caligno are likely both town."
vote: pieguy
"I have good reason to believe someone is lying about their dream, and I really think pieguy's dream is the least likely"
"ask anyone here, you must not know him", she said, with a playful look on her face
"okay then, out of all known dreams so far, which one do you think is the least likely?"
Remilia hadn't been paying attention so she had to think for a minute
"LS's dream seems exactly like something LS would do, so I could believe it"
"RB's dream seems fine for me, but it still doesn't really help us"
"Lilac seems to have given a post restriction to someone, which doesn't seem like something that could benefit town. but given a lot of people (like me) just did something for fun seems legitimate to me. but he's dead now, so.." > <
"Tanz giving bulletproof seems fine, although seems something like mafia could possibly do to benefit themselves"
"Rantai dreaming nothing seems kind of weird, but it makes sense if he just missed deadline"
"I don't know what you, Tsukasa, or NH dreamed"
"however... I'm wondering why Caligno started talking in the 3rd person for no reason, if it wasn't part of his dream. Clearly it's not a real restriction and I can see no reason for him doing it otherwise."
"LS's dream seems exactly like something LS would do, so I could believe it"
"RB's dream seems fine for me, but it still doesn't really help us"
"Lilac seems to have given a post restriction to someone, which doesn't seem like something that could benefit town. but given a lot of people (like me) just did something for fun seems legitimate to me. but he's dead now, so.." > <
"Tanz giving bulletproof seems fine, although seems something like mafia could possibly do to benefit themselves"
"Rantai dreaming nothing seems kind of weird, but it makes sense if he just missed deadline"
"I don't know what you, Tsukasa, or NH dreamed"
"however... I'm wondering why Caligno started talking in the 3rd person for no reason, if it wasn't part of his dream. Clearly it's not a real restriction and I can see no reason for him doing it otherwise."
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The lord of the manor Sakura steps out of her room: "So, did you find the person responsible for the curse?" you decide to choose Tanzklaue as a possible criminal, then Sakura works her magic to bind his soul and send it to Nightmare Land
Tanzklaue (2) - CalignoBot, NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Tanzklaue
pieguy1372 (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, pieguy1372
Tanzklaue - Bulletproof Pink Marshmallow Dreamer soul has been bound and sent to Nightmare land
All Post restrictions are over, all role changes are reverted back to Dreamer, Any lingering traps stay.
Deadline for Night actions is 21st August 6:30 GMT-5
NoHitter (1) - Tanzklaue
pieguy1372 (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, Rantai, Tsukasa, LadySuburu, pieguy1372
Tanzklaue - Bulletproof Pink Marshmallow Dreamer soul has been bound and sent to Nightmare land
All Post restrictions are over, all role changes are reverted back to Dreamer, Any lingering traps stay.
Deadline for Night actions is 21st August 6:30 GMT-5
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Anyone that hasn't sent in Night actions have 30 minutes (until I get to work) to send them
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Resolving all Night actions and sending PMs
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When you wake up you norice that Tsukasa has mysteriously vanished, his room also appears as if it had never been used... it's as... if Tsukasa never was here!
Tsukasa - Dreamer has mysteriously vanished N2
fartownik has returned to life!
Day 3 ends on 28th August 2013 7:45 GMT-5
Tsukasa - Dreamer has mysteriously vanished N2
fartownik has returned to life!
Vote Count 3.0
Not Voting (8) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, CalignoBot, pieguy1372, LadySuburu, fartownik, Nyquill
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Not Voting (8) - Raging Bull, NoHitter, Rantai, CalignoBot, pieguy1372, LadySuburu, fartownik, Nyquill
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Day 3 ends on 28th August 2013 7:45 GMT-5
O hai. Haven't been following the game that much, give me some time to re-read the pages after I died.
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Well that's boring, nothing happened to me.
Okay, I re-read the past pages, gonna post up my reads.
LS seems like the strongest Townread for me, especially for mentioning the uselessness of the kills during the day.
About RB's action from the previous night - I ask how?
Caligno's kill on Lilac is totally scummy, especially that he was a real killing role (still avoiding the certain word, better safe than sorry). If he was a real role then he had to dream about it, which means he knew he was legit. I doubt someone would be so generous and gave away his dream so Caligno could kill during the day.
Before you pick this up and say you already explained why you killed - it doesn't matter, the deed itself matters and the circumstances of it.
NH is about to be my top scumspect for now. He posts slightly more than nothing, most of his posts contain IIoA only, my guts scream "scum" to me.
I'm also wondering why the unsuccessful attempts of killing from the previous day from Nyquill and pieguy weren't flavored same as Tsukasa's fail. It just bothers me a little.
LS seems like the strongest Townread for me, especially for mentioning the uselessness of the kills during the day.
About RB's action from the previous night - I ask how?
How could you give EVERYONE a fake message if you can't target multiple people with your action? Please explain the exact process of giving away the fake message.mod wrote:
3. Targetting multiple people with a single night action is banned at the mod's discretion, however you can target multiple people if you cant control who you'll target (example: PGO), Bus driver is an exception. I may allow some actions to target everyone as it will also affect the person sending it.
Caligno's kill on Lilac is totally scummy, especially that he was a real killing role (still avoiding the certain word, better safe than sorry). If he was a real role then he had to dream about it, which means he knew he was legit. I doubt someone would be so generous and gave away his dream so Caligno could kill during the day.
Before you pick this up and say you already explained why you killed - it doesn't matter, the deed itself matters and the circumstances of it.
NH is about to be my top scumspect for now. He posts slightly more than nothing, most of his posts contain IIoA only, my guts scream "scum" to me.
I'm also wondering why the unsuccessful attempts of killing from the previous day from Nyquill and pieguy weren't flavored same as Tsukasa's fail. It just bothers me a little.
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I didn't want to clutter the thread flavoring every single shot, just assume all shots were flavored with a water gun.fartownik wrote:
I'm also wondering why the unsuccessful attempts of killing from the previous day from Nyquill and pieguy weren't flavored same as Tsukasa's fail. It just bothers me a little.
Ah
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yay I don't have a post restriction
fartownik:
fartownik:
at the mod's discretionoh my god NH how the hell did you even get that kind of restriction. 0.0
Going to be V/LA for four days starting Friday. I will leave it up to the mod to decide whether to replace me (either temporarily or permanently) or not.
I'll get a post full of thoughts up at some point before I leave; most likely tomorrow.
I'll get a post full of thoughts up at some point before I leave; most likely tomorrow.
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Going to be V/LA for four days starting Friday.
It's too quiet, and I'm finally done with work for a little bit have a broken car so I can't do my job till it's fixed.
Anyway, last night I was targeted and became a Twin, or something. I was not told who my twin is, and I assume it's something like siblings as I was not given any other information.
My action last night was to use the role "Switch" to turn off traps. As I was told, it'll disable any lingering traps and any traps placed last permanently.
Are we just going to once again ignore claiming actions? I think we could've had an easy time with this game had some of us not gone with it. We're all power roles, so what does claiming our actions hurt, other than giving us another avenue to look at when finding scum? If anyone has a good reason not to claim everyone's actions, now's the time to say what it is.
Anyway, last night I was targeted and became a Twin, or something. I was not told who my twin is, and I assume it's something like siblings as I was not given any other information.
My action last night was to use the role "Switch" to turn off traps. As I was told, it'll disable any lingering traps and any traps placed last permanently.
Are we just going to once again ignore claiming actions? I think we could've had an easy time with this game had some of us not gone with it. We're all power roles, so what does claiming our actions hurt, other than giving us another avenue to look at when finding scum? If anyone has a good reason not to claim everyone's actions, now's the time to say what it is.
afaik a Twin just means any night actions that happen to him also happen to you
idk, I'm not familiar with all these weird roles, better to ask and make sure
mod: what is the role called Twin?
anyway, I revived fartownik, mostly cause I wouldn't be very happy if I died due to something like that, and I'm sure mafia laid that meaning it wouldn't hit town anyway. I even came up with some flavor that fit Remi just for kicks I just saw this on the first post
I'm still wondering what the hell is up with NK. since he didn't mention any positive effects I just guess mafia decided to put a really stupid post restriction on a random person or smth, but there's no point in trying to figure it out
idk, I'm not familiar with all these weird roles, better to ask and make sure
mod: what is the role called Twin?
anyway, I revived fartownik, mostly cause I wouldn't be very happy if I died due to something like that, and I'm sure mafia laid that meaning it wouldn't hit town anyway. I even came up with some flavor that fit Remi just for kicks
I just saw this on the first post6. You may make the mod reveal the role of any deaths or player during the day, likewise you may make the mod say that they are town or that they are scum, this ony affects deaths that are normally not revealed.how about we ask what Lilac's role was? Obviously it's better to know, so I'm just making sure if anyone wants to revive him later. It might be a good idea but since he got shot normally he could be mafia, and reviving a mafia would be really bad.. also, seems no one got any extra info N2, otherwise they probably would have claimed it
I'm still wondering what the hell is up with NK. since he didn't mention any positive effects I just guess mafia decided to put a really stupid post restriction on a random person or smth, but there's no point in trying to figure it out
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god no wonder the game is inactive with all these post restrictions
my D2 restriction only made it slightly harder but if I got a restriction like that I'd just freeze orz. well, at least we can be somewhat sure NH is town for now unless we're getting mindgamed so hard
my D2 restriction only made it slightly harder but if I got a restriction like that I'd just freeze orz. well, at least we can be somewhat sure NH is town for now unless we're getting mindgamed so hard
Any that were still active, yes.NoHitter wrote:
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Misread. Yeah, if any traps were placed last night they're nullified.LadySuburu wrote:
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ok LS is town, if a trap goes off he's mafia
that leaves
Raging Bull
Rantai
CalignoBot
Nyquill
fartownik
vote: CalignoBot cause I don't trust how he posted in 3rd person for no reason, when he clearly didn't have a restriction. (plus he's leaving so better to vote him now)
that leaves
Raging Bull
Rantai
CalignoBot
Nyquill
fartownik
vote: CalignoBot cause I don't trust how he posted in 3rd person for no reason, when he clearly didn't have a restriction. (plus he's leaving so better to vote him now)
...I said it wasn't a restriction the moment I was asked whether it was or not?pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: CalignoBot cause I don't trust how he posted in 3rd person for no reason, when he clearly didn't have a restriction. (plus he's leaving so better to vote him now)