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Soulclenz

rzkadi wrote:

when i was playing spectre i never take desolate on early game, and i prefer tanky build on spec because i love to rush in when the clash happen.

my skill build on spectre is Q,E,Q,E,Q,R,Q,E,E,W,R,W,W,W,stats point,R.

for my item build it's not much differ from clenz and phoenix.

-phase boots
-yasha
-blade mail
-bkb (if needed)
-manta/sangyash
-HoT
-Radiance/butterfly (depends on situation)
Ahhh see, that build can work, but it strains your team quite a bit. The beauty about maxing desolate out early is that if a team fight ensues, just pushing R will deal significantly more damage than if your dispersion was maxed. Desolate will also make short work of a fleeing support as well.

In order for dispersion to be fully effective, you need to be able to take quite a bit of damage, and early game level 1 illusions from Spectre's haunt will pretty much die if someone even looks at them, especially with phase boots/yasha.

with Drums before Yasha, when you're in your dagger path and phase boots are popped, you move 1 speed less than runespeed I believe.
Soulclenz
Alliance stomping orange with Ursa, holy moly.
rzkadi
all hail mufc !!!
Tetsu_old

dNextGen wrote:

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
Yeap, she doesn't need that much farm if you compare her to other carries. In DotA (Warcraft 3) few years ago, when I could farm a few minutes without getting ganked, the first item I was buying in most cases was Butterfly if my opponents had picked heroes like Drow Ranger, Terrorblade, Anti-Mage, Void etc. There was a trick to make her evasion (3rd skill) stack with Butterfly's evasion. Not to mention that the only think you could see was her shadow if her Evasion was on max level.

Good results for DK, didn't expect that after the results of the last 2 tournaments.
Let's hope BurNing can do something amazing at this tournament since it's his last.
P.S. BurNing your soul.
bmin11
rzkadi
alliance do it again...

srsly in this year international west teams comes out with more unique strat and pick, besides east teams still play as monotone as ever. not much change from TI2012, but more reckless imo, or maybe they was just saving strat for the main event? who knows

and also dendi's pudge never cease to amaze me, even LGD are desperate facing his pudge.
Icyteru
Refresher orb of venom/diffusal and radiance is fucking ridiculous for spectre. Its better than refresher aghas warlock in teamfights
Pizzicato


qq LGD


na`vi vs [A] pls pls pls
Soulclenz
Exciting times ahead, can't wait until it's all on the mainstage and we have the crowd cheering along with the casters screaming.
dNextGen
matchmaking getting more horrible as hell

last 24 hours i've been getting leaver on every fucking single game i played,and sadly theyre always on my team

Magicphoenix
I personally would've kept the rosh-bait strat for playoffs because of obvious reasons x_x

+
We certainly have an International audience at least lol :D
Lighty

dNextGen wrote:

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
but why PHASE ? PT is absolutely better than phase at mortred cuz you have blink and slow. Also mortred's AS isn't enough to get 100% crit even with blink.
Also guys don't you know does toss work if smb tp to base ?
dNextGen
just personal preference

i only build Treads on heroes like Weaver/Slark nowdays
Tshemmp

Lighty wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
but why PHASE ? PT is absolutely better than phase at mortred cuz you have blink and slow. Also mortred's AS isn't enough to get 100% crit even with blink.
Also guys don't you know does toss work if smb tp to base ?
Phase boots give you very cheap damage which is good for your ulti. Also you don't really need the AS from PT because your blink strike already boosts your AS heavily.
Magicphoenix

Lighty wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
but why PHASE ? PT is absolutely better than phase at mortred cuz you have blink and slow. Also mortred's AS isn't enough to get 100% crit even with blink.
Also guys don't you know does toss work if smb tp to base ?
You need to be slammin' not slappin' 'coz blink gives you so much attack speed already.
+ she kinda needs mobility
Pizzicato

dNextGen wrote:

matchmaking getting more horrible as hell

last 24 hours i've been getting leaver on every fucking single game i played,and sadly theyre always on my team

there are times that you need to stop grinding xD
Lighty

Magicphoenix wrote:

'coz blink gives you so much attack speed already.
+ she kinda needs mobility
Only for 4 hits :<
Magicphoenix
yeah and then you can just hit them a few times more if they aren't already dead by then.
She doesn't sit in fight and hits, she jumps to a person and chases him to death until he dies, specially in early-midgame
Hear damage output with just 1-2 crits which will probably occur during 4-5 hits is very much high enough
rzkadi
guys i wanna hear your opinion about IO skill build and item build. i do have my own build but still, i didnt get any hint to play IO decently :(
Pizzicato


won't get overcharge till i got a healing item
rzkadi
for item build? do you go full support or half carry?
Pizzicato

rzkadi wrote:

for item build? do you go full support or half carry?
soul ring -> urn -> meka -> perseverance -> bloodstone are cores. i get them no matter what

for luxury, if pure support i'd go for a force staff and drums. For a half-support and a potential side hitter, i'd go for heaven's halberd (the only decent damage item for wisp imo)

what's a wisp half-carry
dNextGen

Pizzicato wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

matchmaking getting more horrible as hell

last 24 hours i've been getting leaver on every fucking single game i played,and sadly theyre always on my team

there are times that you need to stop grinding xD
yeah dude pls play with me

i only have like 3 good pinoy friends and they're rarely on anymore

so sad
Soulclenz
In regards to phase over treads on a hero like PA, right now the name of the game for carry heroes is move speed, and more move speed. Don't forget too that phase lets you unitwalk, and if you're a smart carry you will always try to stutter step your attacks or move in front of your target to block them and mess up their retreat which buys time for allies to assist, should you need it.

Even with phase, an agi carry should be attacking plenty fast enough if you have your core items made.
rzkadi

Pizzicato wrote:

soul ring -> urn -> meka -> perseverance -> bloodstone are cores. i get them no matter what

for luxury, if pure support i'd go for a force staff and drums. For a half-support and a potential side hitter, i'd go for heaven's halberd (the only decent damage item for wisp imo)

what's a wisp half-carry
errr.. sorry i mean main carry. i've once played against a team that using IO as their main carry, so at first i thought IO was a carry heroes. his item build is like HoT, boots of travel, sangyash, radiance, helm of dominator, MKB. and he was pretty much dominating the game
Magicphoenix
My wisp build :
Courier/Wards
3x branches
2x clarity
1x tango
1x salve

-> boots
-> urn/wand
-> urn/wand (depending on the action)
-> arcanes
(-> drums)
-> mek
-> dagger/force staff
-> game is probably over by now
otherwise luxuries like Scythe of Vise/Shiva's Guard n stuff
Soulclenz

rzkadi wrote:

Pizzicato wrote:

soul ring -> urn -> meka -> perseverance -> bloodstone are cores. i get them no matter what

for luxury, if pure support i'd go for a force staff and drums. For a half-support and a potential side hitter, i'd go for heaven's halberd (the only decent damage item for wisp imo)

what's a wisp half-carry
errr.. sorry i mean main carry. i've once played against a team that using IO as their main carry, so at first i thought IO was a carry heroes. his item build is like HoT, boots of travel, sangyash, radiance, helm of dominator, MKB. and he was pretty much dominating the game
Carry IO is something you will only see a greedy pub do. If he had the gold to make the items you mention then the game was probably over for quite some time.

The best way to play Io is to have a friend, or a smart pub player pick someone like CK/Tiny/Centaur and when you hit 6, all you do is port him around the map and get easy kills. Your item build should be healing and mana regen, since when you tether to someone and use an item like arcane boots or mek, it will double over on the hero you are linked too, essentially fully healing them and fully regening their mana pool.
Pizzicato

rzkadi wrote:

errr.. sorry i mean main carry. i've once played against a team that using IO as their main carry, so at first i thought IO was a carry heroes. his item build is like HoT, boots of travel, sangyash, radiance, helm of dominator, MKB. and he was pretty much dominating the game
what

how

his base damage and strength growth per level is too low for wisp to become a carry (unless you people keep dying on his spirits early game)
never saw a full-carry wisp ever since he came out, and im talking about pinoy gaming where supports are built as carries too

someone mentioned arcane boots on wisp.

tranq boots are nerfed tho. look at the latest stats

oh and yeah, if you didn't know yet, this is crucial if you're playing wisp

If you Tether someone before you are teleported, the duration of the Tether will be refreshed to 12 seconds but the cooldown will not. This means that if you Tether someone a few seconds before using Relocate, you can re- Tether them at the location and get 2 stuns in
Soulclenz
Ahh, yeah the soul ring and tranq boots can be a potent mix on Io. Arcane boots is always nice for the team as a whole though, assuming you are giving it to more than one hero at a time.
Tshemmp
Carry Io is just like carry Magnus, just because you got a dps buff (Overcharge/Empower) you are not a carry. Better buff your "true" carry than yourself because they are scaling much better into late game than you.

Also
Why do we still have to wait 24 hours asjdfljkasdfaslghlsfk
dNextGen
Magnus carry is still better than Io though,people build Magnus mainly as carry in wc3 dota

no TI3 games today what im going to do with my life now

also that pic is awesome Tshempp where did you find it D:
Hiryuu_old
Tell me about it, I'm dyin to see it already \o/
Magicphoenix
Hiryuu_old
Soulclenz
Btw DNG, re-looking at your screenshot you took of the game of leavers (poor spectre =( ) I couldn't help but notice you have a quelling blade. Personally i get a stout shield in place of that, should pay off more in the long run, especially if your support is pulling for you.
Pizzicato
remove MUFC from that wallpaper lol
i can only go for youtube replays because my internet is so poor :[

Soulclenz wrote:

Btw DNG, re-looking at your screenshot you took of the game of leavers (poor spectre =( ) I couldn't help but notice you have a quelling blade. Personally i get a stout shield in place of that, should pay off more in the long run, especially if your support is pulling for you.
and i'd personally go for QB Stoutshield and salve

because why not
Soulclenz

Pizzicato wrote:

and i'd personally go for QB Stoutshield and salve

because why not
That works too. I hate not having tangos though =(.
bmin11
I can't let go of both stout and tangos if I'm playing a melee farmer. I'm not good enough to handle both harasses and pulls without it :(
Tetsu_old
We found him!

2:25
Soulclenz
Lmao. Oh god he is in trouble.
Hiryuu_old


0:13
dNextGen

Soulclenz wrote:

Btw DNG, re-looking at your screenshot you took of the game of leavers (poor spectre =( ) I couldn't help but notice you have a quelling blade. Personally i get a stout shield in place of that, should pay off more in the long run, especially if your support is pulling for you.
in solo q,you wont get any lasthit if you dont have QB

trust me

and they told me to lane with sniper also,lol fuck this game
Suzoku


I AM NOW BALLING OUT OF CONTROL
dNextGen


beat me fgt,i can see now why Weaver is picked a lot in TI3 lately

this spider cunt is so hard to kill
bmin11

Suzoku wrote:



I AM NOW BALLING OUT OF CONTROL
Buy refresher orb for the maximum balling out
Pizzicato
TI 3 SPOILER

Hiryuu_old
inb4 epic comeback
Suzoku

bmin11 wrote:

Suzoku wrote:



I AM NOW BALLING OUT OF CONTROL
Buy refresher orb for the maximum balling out
other team gg too early

:(
rzkadi


let the silencer do his job :D
Magicphoenix
I don't mean to brag, but...
dNextGen
rofl hahaha

i just find out that CM's frosbite last 10 sec on creeps

sick shit
Icyteru
good counter to chen and enchantress...yet probably a much better idea to use frostbite on core heroes

more importantly, many pub chen's don't really make good use of their creeps anyway
dNextGen
no one picks chen in pub dude

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/feature ... rs-pre-ti3

lods e moneyy

just gonna leave this here incase anyone feels like to get the TI3 feeling

http://teamzenith.wordpress.com/
Pizzicato
so i played with my student. i forgot that my bracket's very high for him. ended up with 3 losses 0 wins today :(

at least i got rid of that fucking ego he has

/hides in shame
Tshemmp
Pizzicato
nooooooo

i need sleep D:
dNextGen

Pizzicato wrote:

so i played with my student. i forgot that my bracket's very high for him. ended up with 3 losses 0 wins today :(

at least i got rid of that fucking ego he has

/hides in shame
how did you get into the very high bracket ?

i searched my games and most of them only High atm

TI 3 live,wont sleep at the night for the whole week i guess D: wp volvo
Wishy
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
dNextGen
Orange vs Navi 2-0

i have seen the future and this is 100% accurate
Zeraph
TI3 Spoiler
Alliance wins
Magicphoenix
Orange.
What the fuck
GG WP
Zeraph
DNG called it.
Hopefully he's not right.
Backfire
I'm gonna say Orange 2-1.
Zeraph
NA'VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
dNextGen
malaysia boleh
Backfire
Nvm, BH was a shitty pick, Orange threw away a possible win.
dNextGen
wp Navi,shittest pick ever by Orange,game pretty much over

also twitch chat filled with butthurt LoL players
Soulclenz
Man. Great start to the matches. Good try by Orange!
Magicphoenix
Why is the audience not cheering anymore?
Murrica-fgts come for NaVi and then shut up for the rest of the tournament?
Oh, forgot Alliance.
Period.
Aaand Liquid/Dignitas ofc
Zeraph
Meh shitty audience. I would cheer for just big plays in general. TI3 not where I live though. :<..
Hiryuu_old
was at a cybercafe and saw NA'VI vs Orange, really wp!

I hope FNATIC can win the 2nd match against vs TONGFU so we can get a 3rd match! \o/ big plays everywhere
dNextGen
Gyrocopter game =
Hiryuu_old
farm all day every day , almost 600ck
rzkadi
geegee tongfu. fnatic really have good advantage at early game in game 2, but they cant use it wisely :(
Soulclenz
God these interviews are too funny.
Pizzicato

dNextGen wrote:

how did you get into the very high bracket ?

i searched my games and most of them only High atm

TI 3 live,wont sleep at the night for the whole week i guess D: wp volvo
played with 2 guys at very high bracket. i was pulled



DID YOU PEOPLE JUST SAY THAT NA`VI LOST TO ORANGE 2-0? SHIIIIIIT
Magicphoenix
No lel, NaVi won 2-1
Also, I've been playing Very High since pretty much I joined the game, though I have no idea how Valve estimates where you belong to.
You probably still need more experience for knowledge :P

PS :


wtf RattleSnake, you guys get me entertained every game xd
Pizzicato
oh fuck
dNextGen
god,cant hold all these awesome games coming up,all star matches in 5 hour,and i'd prolly drop down sleeping



since the last MM patch

<3 volvo
Zeraph
top lel on these interviews.

also this rattlesnake draft holy fuick
Soulclenz
I am also in very high currently. DNG stop losing games!
Zeraph
Where do you find what bracket you're in?
dNextGen

Soulclenz wrote:

I am also in very high currently. DNG stop losing games!
im the only one trying to play dude

no one wanna play with me ;_;
Soulclenz
Search your name for recent replays, filter by Very High and see if any games pop up.
Soulclenz

dNextGen wrote:

Soulclenz wrote:

I am also in very high currently. DNG stop losing games!
im the only one tring to play dude

no one wanna play with me ;_;
I can get some games in with you sometime DNG, I plan on working, watching ti3 and sleeping until the tourny is over though haha.
Zeraph
Ooh. Apparently I had one game in Very High. But most of my games are in High. D;
dNextGen

Soulclenz wrote:

I can get some games in with you sometime DNG, I plan on working, watching ti3 and sleeping until the tourny is over though haha.
youre like in the other side of the world +12 hour time difference

expect 1000 ping if me playing on US east server

dignitas USA stronk

props Kaipi for inventing Timbersaw into the competitive scene D:
Soulclenz

dNextGen wrote:

Soulclenz wrote:

I can get some games in with you sometime DNG, I plan on working, watching ti3 and sleeping until the tourny is over though haha.
youre like in the other side of the world +12 hour time difference

expect 1000 ping if me playing on US east server

dignitas USA stronk

props Kaipi for inventing Timbersaw into the competitive scene D:
ohhh yeah, i forgot about the whole opposite side of the world thing. Also, lets not forget the Canadians on that team too, what a good match!
Magicphoenix
I can play some USE, I'll have about 150ms then
bmin11
I'm so happy to see Timbersaw doing well on TI3
Soulclenz
That Rubick steal on Naga ult was amazing.
Zeraph
Rubick is a God holy shittttt.
Magicphoenix
Big play indeed, but also big mistake from Naga to use neither nuke nor illusions.
Yet again, big plays come out from mistakes and it was indeed nice to take advantage of that so much
bmin11
I wonder if her illusion was on CD or something.

And I also realized that I missed the first half of Chelsea vs Real Madrid. Thanks Valve!
dNextGen
EternaLEnVy best Canada player
Arteezy best mid Canada
#RoadToTI4

i hope the All Star match will be more than sick
rzkadi
rattlesnake pick was very interesting indeed but, dignitas pick was well thought too. the split pushing and relocate combo is one of my favourite strats in this year international <3
Magicphoenix
I kinda didn't like that they skipped the team introductions for RS & TD though :(
Do they only do it for Winner's Bracket ? Wtf
Soulclenz

Magicphoenix wrote:

Big play indeed, but also big mistake from Naga to use neither nuke nor illusions.
Yet again, big plays come out from mistakes and it was indeed nice to take advantage of that so much
Very true, very true. Must have been a nerve wracking moment for him perhaps? I was wondering how he allowed that to happen, as it happened, but I was also cheering happily.
Pizzicato
oh wow tongfu won over fnatic
dNextGen

Magicphoenix wrote:

I kinda didn't like that they skipped the team introductions for RS & TD though :(
Do they only do it for Winner's Bracket ? Wtf
only Navi got such treatment
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