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Alright, here we go again. Going though everything again to see if I can pick up anything new. ._. (gaahhh so many posts)
I read through Tanz' longass argument with Sakura in ISO, and, while I originally got scum vibes from his responses, now that I'm reading it, it sort of makes him look town. The reason is, his wording seems to be very town-oriented. He seems to express genuine uncertainty as to whether some people are town or not, but also fully acknowledges that he thought Sakura was town (until the argument started to get stupid). To be honest, I don't think we can make any conclusions from Tanz's posts once the argument got heated; I'm thinking he was getting frustrated that Sakura was tunnelling him for so long, so he's town for now.
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:
As for Kanye, his posts tell me that he's experienced enough to be able to play this game proficiently, yet he's not doing it for some sort of other reason. I don't know if we can just call him scum for just not posting, though I also don't know if he's actually just like this. (i was about to write stuff here about how it might be ok actually and not matter to him if he gets lynched but....)
Welcome DakeDekaane~ I hope we can all have fun while there are three votes piled on top of you.
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
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Oh my god, dammit this post is so long already. Just.... Basically, those are the people who I feel like mentioning most at the moment. I'll look at everyone else probably tomorrow, since this post is so freaking long already and it's getting late too. I doubt I'll have that much to say though. I also get the feeling that I've made numerous errors in this post but you'll just have to bear with me ._.
I read through Tanz' longass argument with Sakura in ISO, and, while I originally got scum vibes from his responses, now that I'm reading it, it sort of makes him look town. The reason is, his wording seems to be very town-oriented. He seems to express genuine uncertainty as to whether some people are town or not, but also fully acknowledges that he thought Sakura was town (until the argument started to get stupid). To be honest, I don't think we can make any conclusions from Tanz's posts once the argument got heated; I'm thinking he was getting frustrated that Sakura was tunnelling him for so long, so he's town for now.
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:
Still could be possibly scummy, trying to make debates/look like he's scumhunting without looking like he just want to get someone lynched? We'll see.fartownik wrote:
I don't like 1on1 discussions like this because they usually turn out being a Town vs Town fights
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:
Royston's recent posts have been making me feel more and more like he's scum. Like... rrgh I don't really know how to explain myself actually. By now, with the exception of Kanye, Royston is far behind in postcount from everyone else. His posts seem to be lacking in content as well. I don't know if he's just playing this game half-assedly, or perhaps he's mafia, and his inexperience is making it hard for him to come up with anything. Though, imo if it's your first game, you'd probably try to make a decent effort right? Because it helps you learn better. Jinxy also brings up a good point on himfartownik wrote:
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town.
fart proposes that it could be a newbie error... But even if that's so, he could still be mafia and it would still count as a noob error: his vote made himself suspicious without him realizing it. Also,Jinxy wrote:
He basically admitted that he put RB on L-1 for "pressure" (which as I've said, is a weak reason) while not actually thinking he's scum.
I don't want to pick on Royston just because he's new, but he literally used this as a free escape from his error.Royston wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.fartownik wrote:
He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip.
As for Kanye, his posts tell me that he's experienced enough to be able to play this game proficiently, yet he's not doing it for some sort of other reason. I don't know if we can just call him scum for just not posting, though I also don't know if he's actually just like this. (i was about to write stuff here about how it might be ok actually and not matter to him if he gets lynched but....)
Welcome DakeDekaane~ I hope we can all have fun while there are three votes piled on top of you.
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
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Oh my god, dammit this post is so long already. Just.... Basically, those are the people who I feel like mentioning most at the moment. I'll look at everyone else probably tomorrow, since this post is so freaking long already and it's getting late too. I doubt I'll have that much to say though. I also get the feeling that I've made numerous errors in this post but you'll just have to bear with me ._.
Hi guys o/
I'll be reading the whole thread.
@Mod: an extension could be very nice.
I'm going to sleep soon >.<
I'll be reading the whole thread.
@Mod: an extension could be very nice.
I'm going to sleep soon >.<
BRBP wrote:
I don't think it shows anything, actually...Royston wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
Yeah ok it doesn't show anything. It was 1AM when I posted that sorryJinxy wrote:
Explain, what kind of "something"?
I've done plenty of reaction tests to establish my reads. If I expected such reaction from the player then I mark him as Town (for now), because it's more likely he's Town than scum by this reaction, and if we can't really base on the lynches/kills this is the way to play the game.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:Still could be possibly scummy, trying to make debates/look like he's scumhunting without looking like he just want to get someone lynched? We'll see.fartownik wrote:
I don't like 1on1 discussions like this because they usually turn out being a Town vs Town fights
The Doctor didn't protect Sakura - Sakura died. The most powerful role in the game died because the Doctor misread her/done something totally random. Congrats.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:fartownik wrote:
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town.
Doctor in the game would be rather game breaking since Sakura will just keep reviving everyone till D4.
That's why my sentence said "IF there's a Doctor". Either there's no one or a not very smart one (or scum one, lol).
What if there was a strongman or a SK who decided to target the same person? Do mafia strongman kills count as separate kills from the regular mafia night kill?
If there really is a doc, I don't think they'd be dumb enough to not protect Sakura lol.
If there really is a doc, I don't think they'd be dumb enough to not protect Sakura lol.
Don't wanna be a douche or anything, but Dake - please read the thread asap. We're only waiting for you here.
Ok, I'm done.
Let's take a look at the larger wagons atm.
In D1:
In D2:
It seems that Lilac and Tanz likes wagons, but I'm reading Lilac as town due heavy scumhunting, yes, jumping between people in D1, but with fundaments, contrary to Tanz that always tried to deflect the attention to someone else and jumping around a lot between the large bandwagons, even voted BRBP who was 99% confirmed town in that moment (he's still almost confirmed, that 1%), and voting people due inactivity. So:
Vote: Tanzklaue
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
I'm going more with Tanz now, we can also have Roasted Beef if you want, as he's the next in my list. And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
Let's take a look at the larger wagons atm.
In D1:
This was before pieguy confirmed BRBP's action. Due to confusion was quite easy to scum lynch him at this rate, smart scum would had finished the day and let the town quite lost, but the fact is that there were at least 2 scum voting there, as BRBP didn't get hammered. +1 Scumpoints to everyone here.Votecount wrote:
BRBP (5) - Lilac, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Kitsunemimi (L-2)
Though Kitsunemimi bringed up the NL idea and still doubting if it would be a good idea, scum took advantage from a confirmed town (Sakura) starting the wagon and some other townies, (Rantai) to join here. +1 Scumpoints for Lilac and Kitsunemimi and +2 for Tanz and RB, why? Because they were practically sheeping.Votecount wrote:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
In D2:
Nice catch for the NL wagon by farto. +1 Townpoints. Royston reasons was quite silly as scum would let a townie hammer and then incriminating him, in case RB is town, but he has a bit of reason when he states:Votecount wrote:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Royston wrote:
But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
fart and Tanz fishing in inactive pool, really? It's true Kanye's behaviour was like this in DotA, but also was similar in High School (though he posted a bit more) and was town there, so judging by meta is not always the way to go.Votecount wrote:
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
It seems that Lilac and Tanz likes wagons, but I'm reading Lilac as town due heavy scumhunting, yes, jumping between people in D1, but with fundaments, contrary to Tanz that always tried to deflect the attention to someone else and jumping around a lot between the large bandwagons, even voted BRBP who was 99% confirmed town in that moment (he's still almost confirmed, that 1%), and voting people due inactivity. So:
Vote: Tanzklaue
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
I'm going more with Tanz now, we can also have Roasted Beef if you want, as he's the next in my list. And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
funny how the three guys who suspect me the most are the same three guys from day 1. still don't have really any good reasoning, but I didn't expect much tbh.
[qoute="BRBP"]
That's ridiculous.[/quote]
I agree, scumhunting seems pretty ridiculous.
your weeks seem to consist only of weekends then. you had like 5 posts after the issue settled sown. and 4 of them were fluff or otherwise unhelpful.BRBP wrote:
I'm less active on weekends. Why didn't you prod me then?Kitsunemimi wrote:
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
[qoute="BRBP"]
Tanzklaue wrote:
slip oneRoyston wrote:
Hah, well some of us are.
You two... Stop.Jinxy wrote:
Remaining scum, you say? Interesting choice of words there.Royston wrote:
@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?
That's ridiculous.[/quote]
I agree, scumhunting seems pretty ridiculous.
you get quite aggressive there. where are your reasons for that?BRBP wrote:
No, it's not intresting in any way. You bothering to point something like that out and calling it a slip on the other hand is quite interesting.Tanzklaue wrote:
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.
I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.
Or maybe not, it's your job to lynch townies :/
you as a finn might not understand, but outside of the cold north, you actually have things like 35 °C days in summer with 25 °C nights, humid as fuck aswell. I couldn't be bothered to write a long explanation if it's not incredibly necessary.BRBP wrote:
What the fuck?Tanzklaue wrote:
I'm sorry, it's hot as shit over here and I didn't feel like giving much of a reasoning.
you seem so confident in me being scum, and your accusations are quite ridiculous tbh. you shouldn't forget that you aren't a confirmed townie, and that you actually need a foundation yourself in order to proof your townieness. passive aggressive accusations won't help you one bit.BRBP wrote:
I guess you're taking your votes off Dake now? After all your primary reason to vote Kanye was because of his inactivity and lack of content in posts (Tanz), maybe Dake can fix that. Kanye wasn't active on his own game either, makes it easier to believe he really was busy. Let's see what you can come up with~
ROUND 2!
[qoute="DakeDekaane"]
it actually says nothing about the scummyness of a person if he votes NL in order to not get lynched themselves. "I will let you guys lynch me so you can read my wagon after my death!" said noone ever. if you're town, you won't let yourself get killed except if it isn't avoidable or at the cost of people you think are town aswell. and as scum... well scum would never want to die. it's actually another nullread reasoning.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
kitsune wouldn't have claimed PGO if he were a SK. because the following victims won't be as easily explained with "oh someone seemed to aim at me again".
overall, dake seems to try to analyze, but I am not really convinced with his reasonings. my vote will stay on him for now.
no scum would be so dumb and reveal 2 of their members. the fact that he didn't got quickhammered says next to nothing about the wagonmembers.DakeDekaane wrote:
In D1:This was before pieguy confirmed BRBP's action. Due to confusion was quite easy to scum lynch him at this rate, smart scum would had finished the day and let the town quite lost, but the fact is that there were at least 2 scum voting there, as BRBP didn't get hammered. +1 Scumpoints to everyone here.Votecount wrote:
BRBP (5) - Lilac, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Kitsunemimi (L-2)
[qoute="DakeDekaane"]
Though Kitsunemimi bringed up the NL idea and still doubting if it would be a good idea, scum took advantage from a confirmed town (Sakura) starting the wagon and some other townies, (Rantai) to join here. +1 Scumpoints for Lilac and Kitsunemimi and +2 for Tanz and RB, why? Because they were practically sheeping.[/quote]Votecount wrote:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
it actually says nothing about the scummyness of a person if he votes NL in order to not get lynched themselves. "I will let you guys lynch me so you can read my wagon after my death!" said noone ever. if you're town, you won't let yourself get killed except if it isn't avoidable or at the cost of people you think are town aswell. and as scum... well scum would never want to die. it's actually another nullread reasoning.
again, scum wouldn't show themselves, at least not this early. a quickhammer would only really occur if a) scum gets voted and the player at L-1 votes himself or b) if you are at LYLO or MyLo and scum would instawin. yet another fallacious argument, they add up by now.DakeDekaane wrote:
In D2:Nice catch for the NL wagon by farto. +1 Townpoints. Royston reasons was quite silly as scum would let a townie hammer and then incriminating him, in case RB is town, but he has a bit of reason when he states:Votecount wrote:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)Royston wrote:
But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
scum gunsmith is about as likely as scum dayvig. and like ten times more useless.DakeDekaane wrote:
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
we already established that the newbie factor shouldn't count too heavily. we can't risk getting demolished by a guy who just plays pretend with us.DakeDekaane wrote:
And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
DakeDekaane wrote:
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
kitsune wouldn't have claimed PGO if he were a SK. because the following victims won't be as easily explained with "oh someone seemed to aim at me again".
overall, dake seems to try to analyze, but I am not really convinced with his reasonings. my vote will stay on him for now.
You won't win this time for sure, town will win.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 2!
So you got roleblocked? cool.
You were pretty eager for the scum dayvig possibility even being small, but scum gunsmith is clearly more possible if you ask me and it's a safe claim because maybe some townies think you may be useful to find scum, but I'm not that naive. I prefer voting based on acting regardless of PR, though it's not that easy to fakeclaim in a flavored game, but maybe you got lucky.
And you'll keep your vote on me because I'm voting you or because you don't have other suspect? You should have.
And I'm not underestimating Royston, but I won't label him as sure scum yet, he's null but leaning scum for me, the only ones that I have labeled as scum are you and RB.
Sorry but there won't be quotefest, Tanz's are messed up and I won't fix it in a nice way, also scum nervousness is notorious.
Maybe I'll have to ask for your reads to make things clearer?
Unvote
Will come back tomorrow.
Will come back tomorrow.
Topic Starter
deadline extended by 24 hours
current deadline is 8/6 9:00 GMT, 29:00 from now
sorry, meant to announce this earlier. comp ran out of power and due to some things I was afk > <
current deadline is 8/6 9:00 GMT, 29:00 from now
sorry, meant to announce this earlier. comp ran out of power and due to some things I was afk > <
whatRoyston wrote:
Yeah ok it doesn't show anything. It was 1AM when I posted that sorry
ugh are you serious
Yeah I'm not unvoting Royston anytime soon. His reasons for putting Kanye on L-1 are repeatedly lacking as seen from the above.
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RE: BRBP's, Tanz's and Dake's posts above, I don't see anything clearly scummy or flat out wrong, though Dake's vote analysis for D1 does sound null after Tanz's reply. However Tanz's argument for why he is town is biting at me, because some parts feel flawed to me.
I disagree here. Firstly, the Scum Dayvig is unlikely because of how overpowered it can be; it practically gives another free kill for scum, hastening LyLo. On the other hand, as Dake has said, a Scum Gunsmith can still scan for Cops or Vigs. (Not PGO because you're dead anyway)Tanzklaue wrote:
scum gunsmith is about as likely as scum dayvig. and like ten times more useless.DakeDekaane wrote:
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
Secondly, you might claim town gunsmith as scum simply because you decided not to take the risk and fakeclaim something others might really be. I'm not sure what you mean by "control", though. Could you elaborate?Wiki wrote:
While a few moderators prefer to defy meta and use Mafia Vigilantes to allow multiple scumkills from a single faction, the vast majority of Vigilantes are Town.
Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure claiming you got roleblocked last night counts as a lack of control, too, so that point is moot.
let me summarize your last 10 posts or so.BRBP wrote:
You didn't say anything useful/helpful here, all you did was show us that you take mafia games too personally.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 1
tanz doesn't post anything useful.
tanz is so scummy omg.
tanz votes for too many people. scum plz.
tanz votes longer than 10 seconds for one guy. so obv scum geez.
OMG WHY DON'T WE JUST LYNCH TANZ ALREADY?!?!
in short; if you say I don't say useful stuff, I really want to know how the stuff you said in the last 10 posts (which span over almost a full week) is of any use to town. because quite frankly it isn't.
@jinxy: actually, gunsmith is rather hard to control in this set up, especially as scum. I thought of the stack the deck game, where watcher was a safe claim, but that's not the case here. also the watcher we had is dead.
overall, I agree that a gunsmith claim wouldn't necessarily make me more town on its own.
what do you even mean with this? that town lost day 1? that I won day 1?DakeDekaane wrote:
You won't win this time for sure, town will win.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 2!
like I already said, agreed up to this point.DakeDekaane wrote:
You were pretty eager for the scum dayvig possibility even being small, but scum gunsmith is clearly more possible if you ask me and it's a safe claim
if these townies believe that I could be useful, then they will believe me saying that I got roleblocked aswell and that I am essentially useless because I either get killed or roleblocked again. while voting for behaviour is fine, you actually didn't really pointed out my behaviour all that much. if anything, you basically said "while person x does the same thing, I will go for tanz, because.". you pointed the jumping around out, and said that lilac had foundations in their jumping around, which if you read the last few pages could be viewed differently. the whole NL thing, if you wonder what I mean.DakeDekaane wrote:
because maybe some townies think you may be useful to find scum, but I'm not that naive. I prefer voting based on acting regardless of PR, though it's not that easy to fakeclaim in a flavored game, but maybe you got lucky.
then that I and fart fish in the inactives. you said that you don't think this is a townthing to do. fishing in the inactives and lurkers always has been a big point in townplay, as scum can hide there easily.
oh, and I'm pretty sure you only brought this point up so you can give me more of your scumpoints, which came from basically meaningless arguments in the first place.
I kept my vote on you since your reasoning didn't change my opinion all that much. I still think that you are scum. I have other suspects, but I won't let you go when you are that scummy.DakeDekaane wrote:
And you'll keep your vote on me because I'm voting you or because you don't have other suspect? You should have.
one messed up quote (2 if you count my post to BRBP aswell) are hardly convincing for something like "scumnervousness". that's one of the many terms in the mafiajargon that basically mean nothing and are just there to make a point look more valid. things like OMGUS and to some extent Wifom fall under the same category.DakeDekaane wrote:
Sorry but there won't be quotefest, Tanz's are messed up and I won't fix it in a nice way, also scum nervousness is notorious.
sure.DakeDekaane wrote:
Maybe I'll have to ask for your reads to make things clearer?
you = scum
fart = town for being actively trying to get scum, not overcommiting and over all just playing lik a good townie should
kitsune = town, same as above
lilac = leaning town, a lot of scumhunting, and overall logical contribution. not completely town, for reasons like high aggressiveness, that could be scumaligned (what I mean is jumping around as much as they did, though I generally view it as townaligned actions)
RB = leaning town, his reasonings were alright, and also there seems to be something that connects RB and lilac right now, depending on what that something is, it could swing him to full town (or to full scum, but I think lilac would've already laid down their cards if that was the case)
jinxy = null leaning slightly town, he cleaned his record in my eyes, and he actually asks useful questions instead of basically unfounded accusations.
BRBP = null, he is super scummy, though his role protects him. just like i didn't forget about the possibility of fart being scum in stack the deck, I won't dismiss the possibility here either.
royston = leaning scum, his actions and the following excuses are not convincing to me. especially that he himself hides behind the newbie-argumentmakes me iffy about him.
on your side, maybe.BRBP wrote:
There's something wrong with this logic, don't you think?Tanzklaue wrote:
in short; if you say I don't say useful stuff, I really want to know how the stuff you said in the last 10 posts (which span over almost a full week) is of any use to town.
of course you would cut out the important part. if it weren't for you being a dayvig, I would label you as 100% scum. but you get there, I will correct my read on you and just say that you lean scum.BRBP wrote:
Lol'dTanzklaue wrote:
BRBP = null, he is super scummy
there is a difference between slipping (unintentional errors) and quickhammer someone at L-2 on day 1. the thing I pointed out probably happened, and it happened often among all kinds of players. the quickhammer at L-2 on day 1 is something only really dumb newbie scum would pull of. like I said, no quickhammer here says nothing about the alignment of anyone.BRBP wrote:
But scum can be dumb enough to say something like this and refer to themselves?Tanzklaue wrote:
no scum would be so dumb and reveal 2 of their members. the fact that he didn't got quickhammered says next to nothing about the wagonmembers.
(stuff I said about royston)
BRBP wrote:
Also it's funny how you have three scum suspects (BRBP, Dake, Roy). Two of us are voting you and the third just unvoted.
I laugh with you if it's okay.Tanzklaue wrote:
funny how the three guys who suspect me the most are the same three guys from day 1. still don't have really any good reasoning, but I didn't expect much tbh.
overall, BRBP, stop it. your behaviour doesn't help you, doesn't help town, and most likely helps scum more than anyone else.
if you have something to say with actual content, something people can work with, that isn't just silly accusations against me (or anyone for that matter), then come again. but the way this goes atm, it starts to get on the same level as the discussion between me and sakura.
also, you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect. care to share your views on the others?
if you have something to say with actual content, something people can work with, that isn't just silly accusations against me (or anyone for that matter), then come again. but the way this goes atm, it starts to get on the same level as the discussion between me and sakura.
also, you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect. care to share your views on the others?
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect.
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
care to share your views on the others?
Sorry ive been real busy. Two people left at work so i need to do more work. Ill read what has been going on tomorrow
What? Why?BRBP wrote:
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
care to share your views on the others?
Also, sorry that I didn't make my second post on my reads, stuff kinda happened yesterday and I kind of lost the motivation to do it, plus it doesn't seem to be all that helpful so I'll abstain from making that post for now.
Why would I? Please explain.Kitsunemimi wrote:
What? Why?BRBP wrote:
Nope
Ok, no more laziness. The deadline is in 12 hours, we gotta do something.
@mod: votecount please
Vote: RB, reason: PoE
@mod: votecount please
Vote: RB, reason: PoE
I'm at this point up for either a dake lynch, BRBP lynch or royston lynch.
since BRBP won't happen, I will discard that option (only in the case of it not happening at all).
so i will keep my vote on dake and wait out how the rest decides.
since BRBP won't happen, I will discard that option (only in the case of it not happening at all).
so i will keep my vote on dake and wait out how the rest decides.
As stupid as he may be, why lynch BRBP
because at this point he might aswell be legitimate scum.
we have better options though, so it won't happen.
we have better options though, so it won't happen.
BRBP acts stupidly arrogant, but it's not in Town interest to kill him now as Dayvig is 90% Town-aligned, and he proved himself being one. Feels like you wanna look as you 'take all the possible scenarios into consideration', but you're actually overdoing it.
Also RB didn't react on my vote anyhow, he went straight to BRBP. RB giving some nice attempt to start a discussion with Tanz and eventually bring him down to the point where he can't deny how stupid lynching BRBP would be. No need to, I've done it for you.
Also RB didn't react on my vote anyhow, he went straight to BRBP. RB giving some nice attempt to start a discussion with Tanz and eventually bring him down to the point where he can't deny how stupid lynching BRBP would be. No need to, I've done it for you.
*sigh*
@Tanz: Why do you consider RB leaning town and what is this connection with Lilac?
@Tanz: Why do you consider RB leaning town and what is this connection with Lilac?
Oh my god, screw me this is so hard to make a proper decision.
I'm not voting RB because his posts in general look pretty normal and he sort of explained why he went with No Lynch (doesn't completely convince me but it's good enough imo).
I can't make any conclusions on Dake because he hasn't been around for long enough, which basically leaves me with Royston ._.
Vote: Royston
Reason would be because overall he just seems too scummy to me, as I described in my most recent WoT post. Also, he completely ignored that post :V. I don't know if this is the right choice, and I don't mean to end things early for a new player, but it's all I got so... >_<
Royston, if you have something to say about this, you better say it quickly because I'm going to bed soon.
I'm not voting RB because his posts in general look pretty normal and he sort of explained why he went with No Lynch (doesn't completely convince me but it's good enough imo).
I can't make any conclusions on Dake because he hasn't been around for long enough, which basically leaves me with Royston ._.
Vote: Royston
Reason would be because overall he just seems too scummy to me, as I described in my most recent WoT post. Also, he completely ignored that post :V. I don't know if this is the right choice, and I don't mean to end things early for a new player, but it's all I got so... >_<
Royston, if you have something to say about this, you better say it quickly because I'm going to bed soon.
What can I say indeed? You made a good, well reasoned post. If not for the fact that I know I'm town, I'd agree with you.
fartownik wrote:
BRBP acts stupidly arrogant, but it's not in Town interest to kill him now as Dayvig is 90% Town-aligned, and he proved himself being one. Feels like you wanna look as you 'take all the possible scenarios into consideration', but you're actually overdoing it.
Also RB didn't react on my vote anyhow, he went straight to BRBP. RB giving some nice attempt to start a discussion with Tanz and eventually bring him down to the point where he can't deny how stupid lynching BRBP would be. No need to, I've done it for you.
I did asked why you scum read me
Topic Starter
votecount 2.4:
DakeDekaane (2) - Lilac, Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
Royston (2) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi
Raging Bull (1) - fartownik
deadline extended by 10:45 cause I won't be here at current deadline..
deadline is 19:45 GMT, 13:20 from now
DakeDekaane (2) - Lilac, Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
Royston (2) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi
Raging Bull (1) - fartownik
deadline extended by 10:45 cause I won't be here at current deadline..
deadline is 19:45 GMT, 13:20 from now
DakeDekaane wrote:
*sigh*
@Tanz: Why do you consider RB leaning town and what is this connection with Lilac?
it was between lilac and rb, you can find the information regarding this from page 44-46.Raging Bull wrote:
I cannot read breadcrumb (more because of my inability to do so),but I assume it's about me since something did happen to me last night.
and i consider him leaning town since his actions don't make him, to me personally, all that scummy. the stuff he says is valid, and his explanations, while faulty, are good enough at least for me.
I'm waiting for what lilac has to say, though I don't know how much sense a prod does make considering that they have internet problems.
I'm waiting for what lilac has to say, though I don't know how much sense a prod does make considering that they have internet problems.
I asked you a question on why you scum read me. And to follow up, I don't understand the bolded part.fartownik wrote:
Also RB didn't react on my vote anyhow, he went straight to BRBP. RB giving some nice attempt to start a discussion with Tanz and eventually bring him down to the point where he can't deny how stupid lynching BRBP would be. No need to, I've done it for you.
I also believe that Lilac is town (assuming where ever the fuck his breadcrumb is). If what his breadcrumb where it is is true, then with his night action, I doubt he would target anyone but scum if he was mafia aligned.
I cannot understand Royston too much, especially with him jumping on my bandwagon and then not even giving a sound reasoning for why you voted for me when questioned. After seeing Tanz play however, I don't think new player card is always valid.
[url=http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2474606/]His reasoning here doesn't seem to support anything.
[/url] Quick hammering does not mean the player who hammered is scum. Normally I believe the one who is scum is the second to last person to sneak in so they avoid the hammering and suspicion. He also prefers a mislynch over a no lynch on a day that is horribly bad for town already. Seems like he's willing to put us down farther in the hole.
Also apparently put me on L-1 for pressure on a null read. What? Yet you don't even ask anything from it. At least Lilac and (lesser extend) fart explained and questioned. You just did it and left without any reasoning.
Vote:Royston
I scumread you because I don't Townread you and by PoE you're the one I think is scum.Raging Bull wrote:
I asked you a question on why you scum read me. And to follow up, I don't understand the bolded part.fartownik wrote:
Also RB didn't react on my vote anyhow, he went straight to BRBP. RB giving some nice attempt to start a discussion with Tanz and eventually bring him down to the point where he can't deny how stupid lynching BRBP would be. No need to, I've done it for you.
You hopped on the nolynch wagon with no reason.
You voted BRBP after he killed NH during the day.
These are just 2 blatant things you wouldn't do as Town. You can all it gut feeling if you want, explaining my detailed train of thoughts wouldn't help here because you'd call me wrong anyways, and others would probably agree.
No answer? Really?
Yes, I get this, but why does this make RB look town?Tanzklaue wrote:
DakeDekaane wrote:
*sigh*
@Tanz: Why do you consider RB leaning town and what is this connection with Lilac?it was between lilac and rb, you can find the information regarding this from page 44-46.Raging Bull wrote:
I cannot read breadcrumb (more because of my inability to do so),but I assume it's about me since something did happen to me last night.
And maybe I've passed this
@RB: is Tanz town?
@RB: is Tanz town?
I didn't want to do it since Dake is also voting Tanz and I still have scumread on him, but I guess no one is gonna support me on RB. 50-50 chance we got scum today.
Unvote
Vote: Tanzklaue
Unvote
Vote: Tanzklaue
why thank you fart. may you want to explain why you try to lynch a townread now?
at least you said you read me as town. why would you push for a lynch that should be out of your perspective be a relative safe misslynch?
at least you said you read me as town. why would you push for a lynch that should be out of your perspective be a relative safe misslynch?
ALSO: there are 2 votes on dake. 2 votes on me. you say you have a scumread on dake and a townvote on me.
and you vote me?
and you vote me?
townread*
If this is making you not want to vote Tanz, then why are you doing it anyways? What about Royston, or Dake himself, are you just going to completely ignore them? I thought you thought Tanz was town... afaik this is the last thing you said about himfartownik wrote:
I didn't want to do it since Dake is also voting Tanz and I still have scumread on him
Huhhh....fartownik wrote:
So you have a better suspect than Kanye, Sakura? Tanz is more likely to be scum with his activity, pretty believable claim, analyzing, quick posts? Really? That makes no bloody sense.
Oh, Tanz was faster than me.
...So yeah, basically what he said. >_>
Vote: fart
fuck dake, this is just obvious at this point.
fuck dake, this is just obvious at this point.
Because I have a stronger scumread on you. I've never crossed you from my list of potential scum, you were on it with a high priority. Kanye's replacement was unfortunate because there's a lot of lacking factors on which I could base my read on Dake. I can only base on a few posts he made, and by doing that and analyzing Kanye's posts from the game I decided that you would be a better lynch.
Also your death will give Town the biggest pool of information out of all possibilities. Starting on the wagons you went on, ending on the RVS on Kanye in your first posts.
Summing all the pluses - your lynch is the safest we can do.
Also your death will give Town the biggest pool of information out of all possibilities. Starting on the wagons you went on, ending on the RVS on Kanye in your first posts.
Summing all the pluses - your lynch is the safest we can do.
summing all the pluses, your lynch is the safest to do.
because you are scum.
it's ridculous, first you say I'm town, then you go and vote me because of lack of information about dake? really?
because you are scum.
it's ridculous, first you say I'm town, then you go and vote me because of lack of information about dake? really?
Meh, I probably voted you with bad timing.
I've planned to vote you yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
Also it doesn't really matter what I said, to be honest. I've done a real lot of reaction tests from which you could judge I perceive plenty of players as Town, while in fact they're on my scumlist. I can't reveal everything right away because it'd ruin my judgment.
Also you're OMGUSing me right now while you thought I'm Town the whole game. Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing me of? Don't you wanna wait for my explanation?
I've planned to vote you yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
Also it doesn't really matter what I said, to be honest. I've done a real lot of reaction tests from which you could judge I perceive plenty of players as Town, while in fact they're on my scumlist. I can't reveal everything right away because it'd ruin my judgment.
Also you're OMGUSing me right now while you thought I'm Town the whole game. Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing me of? Don't you wanna wait for my explanation?
no, I'm not doing the same thing. I didn't lie the whole game to everyone about what I read for certain players. I actually have a reason to vote you now, opposed to you, who suddenly makes a 180° turn and reasons it with "reaction testing" (remember sakura? yea didn't help her did it?) and "I read you as scum the whole time".
sorry, but this is really just painful. I mean, I could vote royston if I wanted to escape, or could've voted him earlier, but I didn't, since I believed that the dake wagon still had a chance and now I won't so I can start this wagon here. because this is easy.
sorry, but this is really just painful. I mean, I could vote royston if I wanted to escape, or could've voted him earlier, but I didn't, since I believed that the dake wagon still had a chance and now I won't so I can start this wagon here. because this is easy.
I'm still waiting what Dake says/does. Heh, look I just explained part of my reaction test! Hopefully it helps!
Because I got attacked by Tanz and Kitsune immediately?BRBP wrote:
Why say this now? Why use something "scummy" like this as a defence? It'd be so much more believable if you just stated it any other time.fartownik wrote:
Also it doesn't really matter what I said, to be honest. I've done a real lot of reaction tests from which you could judge I perceive plenty of players as Town, while in fact they're on my scumlist. I can't reveal everything right away because it'd ruin my judgment.
Also you're 'confirmed' Town, right? Then act like one. Why don't you scumhunt? Why don't you do anything to help Town? Your views are especially valuable since everyone knows they can trust you, why aren't you doing it?
dat vote.
Also you haven't answered this: p/2484911
@fartownik: At the rate before you voted Tanz, Royston was likely to get lynched today, so I thought changing my vote for RB would have the same impact as keeping my vote on Tanz, I'm sure about RB being scum though, as suspicious as Tanz, as he has townread from Tanz for a reason Tanz still hasn't explained nor answered to me.
p/2466212/Tanzklaue wrote:
I didn't lie the whole game to everyone about what I read for certain players.
p/2482350/Tanzklaue wrote:
BRBP and Sakura: pretty much confirmed bad townies at this point, still a little bit iffy about BRBP, but we can't get more out of him I think. most likely because there isn't much more to him.
Ok, the difference is that farto fakeclaimed in Stacking the Deck, BRBP's claim is true.Tanzklaue wrote:
BRBP = null, he is super scummy, though his role protects him. just like i didn't forget about the possibility of fart being scum in stack the deck, I won't dismiss the possibility here either.
Also you haven't answered this: p/2484911
@fartownik: At the rate before you voted Tanz, Royston was likely to get lynched today, so I thought changing my vote for RB would have the same impact as keeping my vote on Tanz, I'm sure about RB being scum though, as suspicious as Tanz, as he has townread from Tanz for a reason Tanz still hasn't explained nor answered to me.
I would like to know that reason myself to be honest.
well, lilac and RB have a connection. they both stated it openly. I read lilac as leaning town, and RB as leaning town aswell, else they wouldn't share night actions with one anotherin the open. of course it could be staged, but I don't think that it is too likely.
also RB acts a whole lot more town than our supposedly confirmed townie.
I don't see the contradiction in what you quoted dake. I said in the first one that I am iffy about BRBP, and in the second I am really iffy about him. I didn't lie about my reads at any point.
also RB acts a whole lot more town than our supposedly confirmed townie.
I don't see the contradiction in what you quoted dake. I said in the first one that I am iffy about BRBP, and in the second I am really iffy about him. I didn't lie about my reads at any point.
@Tanz: what do you think about RB jumping on the nolynch wagon for no reason (still not explained)?
it's fishy, yes. I think I was one of the guys who laid a lot of suspicion on him for that. the point still stands, but I rather believe that he just didn't thought it through.
Yeah, and he still didn't explain why he did it, no matter how many times we bringed up this argument.
well, I believe that it was a silly mistake rather than something superscummy. like you believe that the slips of royston were mistakes aswell.
we all do them sometimes, and the rest of his play seemed to be town enough to me.
we all do them sometimes, and the rest of his play seemed to be town enough to me.
Royston at least tried to explain himself when asked. RB avoided the topic at all costs.
I count that as a try aswell.Raging Bull wrote:
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
When's the deadline?
~2 hours from now I think. maybe less.
Why the fuck is no one even talking here. 2 hours 'til the deadline and I'm sure it's Tanz or Dake here.
+fartownik wrote:
Why the fuck is no one even talking here. 2 hours 'til the deadline and I'm sure it's Tanz or Dake here.
do you mean we're here or that one of us gets lynched?
because the latter isn't the case at all.
I think one of you is surely scum, I'm just unsure which one.
@Mod: requesting a final extension of the deadline until everything is sorted out
Hi.
As much as lynching Tanz would give information, my vote is either on Dake or Royston and I'd rather lynch one of them because I'm almost certain they are a pair.
As much as lynching Tanz would give information, my vote is either on Dake or Royston and I'd rather lynch one of them because I'm almost certain they are a pair.
A pair of mafia, I mean. It's just a theory and I want to see if it's right.
If that doesn't convince you let me propose this. Let's say Tanz is town.
Dake's lead up to Tanz was possibly a choice to try and off the Gunsmith who could look for guns for the mafia will still hidden under the veil of Tanz being scummy, town would be down a role that could potentially look for mafia and noone would second guess the people on the wagon because the Tanz lynch was too justified. It's unlikely Gunsmith is mafia (assuming that the role claim is true) because the role would only benefit mafia if there are more killing roles or the same number of them not on the mafia's side.
This is why I think the Tanz lynch wagon is a clever ploy.
Dake's lead up to Tanz was possibly a choice to try and off the Gunsmith who could look for guns for the mafia will still hidden under the veil of Tanz being scummy, town would be down a role that could potentially look for mafia and noone would second guess the people on the wagon because the Tanz lynch was too justified. It's unlikely Gunsmith is mafia (assuming that the role claim is true) because the role would only benefit mafia if there are more killing roles or the same number of them not on the mafia's side.
This is why I think the Tanz lynch wagon is a clever ploy.
Well, that's one theory. But there's also the fact that a basically confirmed Town (BRBP) votes Tanz, not Dake. I just don't know who to trust anymore.
Trust yourself.
I'm going with my gut anyway and I'd sorta prefer it if Tanz was alive. I don't mind if he gets lynched though. I'm just as frustrated as you are right about now.
I'm going with my gut anyway and I'd sorta prefer it if Tanz was alive. I don't mind if he gets lynched though. I'm just as frustrated as you are right about now.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.5:
Royston (3) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi, Raging Bul (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (3) - BRBP, DakeDekaane, fartownik (L - 2)
DakeDekaane (1) - Lilac
fartownik (1) - Tanzklaue
deadline extended by 36:15
deadline is 8/8 9:00 GMT, 37:10 from now
sorry for long extension, but for some reasons I probably can't be online at all tomorrow. everything should be back after that
Royston (3) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi, Raging Bul (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (3) - BRBP, DakeDekaane, fartownik (L - 2)
DakeDekaane (1) - Lilac
fartownik (1) - Tanzklaue
deadline extended by 36:15
deadline is 8/8 9:00 GMT, 37:10 from now
sorry for long extension, but for some reasons I probably can't be online at all tomorrow. everything should be back after that
I mean, that vote switch to farto by Tanz was absolutely terrible and by an absolute lack of judgement, I wouldn't be surprised if he was mafia.
No, that was even before I so called hopped on no lynch wagon. At that point, can I do any god damn thing? My post -> Day end was approximately less than 1 hour. No one posted after wards. Can I really get 3 people off the NL wagon that fast? Please if you can convince someone less than an hour then explain it.fartownik wrote:
I scumread you because I don't Townread you and by PoE you're the one I think is scum.
You hopped on the nolynch wagon with no reason.
You voted BRBP after he killed NH during the day.
These are just 2 blatant things you wouldn't do as Town. You can all it gut feeling if you want, explaining my detailed train of thoughts wouldn't help here because you'd call me wrong anyways, and others would probably agree.
I voted for BRBP because I asked him a question that I believe was important. He stated he believes Jinxy was suspicious and that it was obvious. There was no indications at all. All he did was shoot someone and leave. That is god damn anti town as fuck. When he finally started answering is when I unvoted. I'm just surprised you avoided the whole discussion and just stated how BRBP is most likely town despite his behavior. T
Sleep.fartownik wrote:
No answer? Really?
And before you say
Work.fartownik wrote:
No answer? Really?
I am fucking sorry, I passed out and wasn't present for what could've been the finale of the day >.<
that vote switch was terrible, I admit that. I was guided by the heat of the moment instead of logical conclusion. I will steer back now to what I believed to be true before that and what I still believe to be true.
Vote: Dake
feel free to ask me questions or whatever you could need from me.
that vote switch was terrible, I admit that. I was guided by the heat of the moment instead of logical conclusion. I will steer back now to what I believed to be true before that and what I still believe to be true.
Vote: Dake
feel free to ask me questions or whatever you could need from me.
Calling this now.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
Fine, whatever.
Unvote
Vote: Dake
Unvote
Vote: Dake
Also how you wanna hammer Dake when you already have a vote on him, lol.Lilac wrote:
Calling this now.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
Derp. I actually completely forgot about that.
Thanks farto. I think you understand my point here though.
Thanks farto. I think you understand my point here though.
Man this is the longest day ever.
... >_>
Gosh I'm not sure what to do now.
The problem is that I haven't seen enough of Dake's posts to really make much of him. But what Lilac said about his actions does seem to make sense. And also, I do agree that Dake kind of turned things on Tanz rather quickly.
Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaaaaane
Didn't have much to base my Royston vote on anyways ._. I just hope you guys are right about this.
... >_>
Gosh I'm not sure what to do now.
The problem is that I haven't seen enough of Dake's posts to really make much of him. But what Lilac said about his actions does seem to make sense. And also, I do agree that Dake kind of turned things on Tanz rather quickly.
Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaaaaane
Didn't have much to base my Royston vote on anyways ._. I just hope you guys are right about this.
Well, that wagon filled up very fast, good luck town.
I should finish reading my books until the hammer comes up.
I should finish reading my books until the hammer comes up.
Unvote.
I did say that I would hammer. Nothing else you want to say? Like a role claim or argument against the lynch?
I did say that I would hammer. Nothing else you want to say? Like a role claim or argument against the lynch?
vote:Dake
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
If you guys doesn't want to go for RB or Tanz, then I can't do anything else than wait than my lynch would bring something useful for town.
About the claim, if it's helpful, I'm a quiet Commuter.
mukyuu~
About the claim, if it's helpful, I'm a quiet Commuter.
mukyuu~
Voting me to save yourself when you only have 2 votes? cool.
We got our 3 scum. Go town, you can win this. Patchouli cheers you~
We got our 3 scum. Go town, you can win this. Patchouli cheers you~
shit kitsune unvoted me you're right
i still thought i had 3 votes on me
unvote
i still thought i had 3 votes on me
unvote
Ugh. That role claim.
Lilac. The most indecisive player to have ever played Mafia.
Lilac. The most indecisive player to have ever played Mafia.
@dake: how exactly does the commuter translate from your character patchouli? like, why would she be a commuter?
I hide in the library each night, being immune to all night actions.
fartownik wrote:
I've planned to vote you (Tanz) yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.