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fartownik
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fartownik
Okay, so obviously Quarezha is a Role Switcher, unless he's planned this with Tsukasa, which I doubt could happen. They're not confirmed Town yet because there's a technical possibility one is scum without lying about the night action, but I think Tsukasa is most likely Town and he confirms Quara so he's probably Town as well.

I don't really have anything for the lynch today yet... I will re-read the entire thread because I kinda lost the leads for playing 2 games at once.

@mod: when's the deadline?
Quaraezha
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Joined February 2011
Quaraezha
I just realized that it's absurd if a Role Switcher PR is able to switch Alignments as well.
If that were the case, a mafia who turned townie can just screw over his partner now that his win condition is that of town now.

And I really hope Tsukasa isn't bullshitting us saying he gained a Mystery Role just to convince everyone that both he and I are town.
Guess we'll just have to wait until he "switches" with someone else tonight in hopes that they'd confirm such action too.

The deadline should be around 1-2 days left.
I believe pieguy defended himself well and gave some valid points about BRBP
So...

vote: BRBP
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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pieguyn
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pieguyn

BRBP wrote:

*Being one of the people who's willing to vote you
*Being one of the people who didn't participate in your fight (7 out of 9)
*Being one of the people skimming through the thread to avoid 24h of inactivity when you were fighting and not posting(1 out of 9)
*blending in to avoid being caught

Assuming this is about RB, you call this blending in?
blending in of course until he got caught, then he went into madness mode to try to get me lynched instead :P

I'm also intrested in why you didn't vote for RB again after all what you said about him.
cause I thought it was really really weird how three people just suddenly agreed to lynch me. best strategy for mafia is to just follow others

BRBP wrote:

Unless you're (pieguy) intentionally removing names from your quotes to make it look like RB's nonsense was said by me (like you said), I'd really like to know why you're doing it.

BRBP wrote:

intentionally removing names from your quotes to make it look like RB's nonsense was said by me

BRBP wrote:

RB's nonsense

BRBP wrote:

RB

pieguy1372 wrote:

inb4 Qua + RB scumteam
pieguy1372 wrote:
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I checked your previous posts and apparently you like to remove names from quotes, so maybe you weren't trying to scumpaint with that. You shouldn't do that, though...
also, if you were serious. that is an incredibly weak and easily caught way of scumpainting people that no one would ever do it ever ever ever
oh wait you're just trying to get me lynched cause you're mafia with RB
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

1. every single post you made
2.
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.
He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.
there were others just too lazy to find more
3. you didn't respond at all to my last post on D1/N1. not explicitly a question but still something that needs a response, so it's the same idea..
1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.

2) You know I cannot understand anything you quote without explaining why it's misquoted.

3) Well okay then

pieguy1372 wrote:

..
RB I can't tell if you're serious or trolling
or just mafia
if you're serious, you were referring to me just "going back" to gut feeling. that doesn't count cause at that point you hadn't questioned me using gut feeling. that was just one of the reasons I included with my vote, cause afaik we're supposed to include reasons with votes.
srsly, just give it up already. probably you're mad cause I called you out D1 and you're making up insane reasons and wrong logic to try to get me lynched instead. I voted you and you just completely caved. but it doesn't matter cause we're NL'ing anyway
if something happens N1 that puts you as town, I'll think about it differently
How does it not count? Is it really just a filler then? Okay we will consider it a filler! Few questioning later, you then started saying "gut feeling gut feeling gut feeling"

I'm serious. If you realized it, you first said

pieguy1372 wrote:

except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
Check the bolded part.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.
except my logic is actually sound, you're just making stuff up and repeating what you say over and over

3) Well okay then
...
.......
no, just no. you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. that's complete BS and is just one of the reasons I'm accusing you
seriously, you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. I don't care if I shouldn't use bold, that is just the worst argument I've seen ever

also, you said I was mentioning "gut feeling" whenever you asked me anything
all you can ever do is keep going back into your gut feeling argument
keep going back
then I asked you where and you only mentioned MY ORIGINAL VOTE. that's not "going back", it's "including reasoning with votes"

now that you're coming with nonsense arguments again I almost feel like voting you just for that
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.
except my logic is actually sound, you're just making stuff up and repeating what you say over and over
How is it not compared to yours when it's the exact god damn thing that you said? FLIP FLOP.

pieguy1372 wrote:

.......
no, just no. you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. that's complete BS and is just one of the reasons I'm accusing you
seriously, you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. I don't care if I shouldn't use bold, that is just the worst argument I've seen ever
lol what? Is there actually anything on that paragraph worth mentioning? This is what I read

"Serious or trolling or mafia? Serious - > Argument about gut feeling does not count because you did not mention it in the first place until you got questioned. Just one reason included because we vote with a reason.

give up, im mad because D1. Making up BS reason and wrong logic to get you lynched. You voted me and I caved. "

What else was there to read?

I bolded that part because you contradicted yourself.

I said you keep going back because you do. You keep mentioning gut feeling after every god damn time I questioned you more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. and more.

And if you're talking about not answering question, then please why did not ignore quote 2. Explain why those quotes were misquoted. Unless you can't.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
@Mod
Deadline and votecount, pls
Prod: Tsukasa/Tanz/Rantai ._.
Requesting that the day is extended if there's less than 24h left

RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?

You two keep fighting and fighting but nothing happens. This is basically why I still think that's fake.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Raging Bull wrote:

So Tsukasa is either mystery role or VT (since more than likely bulletproof or deathproof is one shot).

@Q, did it specifically say that you visited Tsukasa? Or did you just get a "You are secret role now" from Kanye? If that's true, there is also a possibility of a roleblocker in this game.

Don't know about you guys, but

Vote:pieguy

what?
VoidnOwO
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pieguyn
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pieguyn

Raging Bull wrote:

How is it not compared to yours when it's the exact god damn thing that you said? FLIP FLOP.
all my posts are explaining why your logic sucks, it just sounds the same thing repeatedly cause you're saying the same thing repeatedly

Raging Bull wrote:

What else was there to read?

I bolded that part because you contradicted yourself.
...SERIOUSLY

except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling
THIS
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons
DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING AS THIS
WTF AAAAAAAARGH

Raging Bull wrote:

I said you keep going back because you do. You keep mentioning gut feeling after every god damn time I questioned you more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. and more.
nope, I've said this many times and you've not refuted it at all, cause it's just incorrect

Raging Bull wrote:

And if you're talking about not answering question, then please why did not ignore quote 2. Explain why those quotes were misquoted. Unless you can't.
sorry I forgot
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.
just completely ignored the part where I mentioned how it was relevant trying to get people to not notice it
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.
I was asking why we can't scumhunt on D2 the same way we do on D1 with no information. this still includes scumhunting D1. you make it seem like it doesn't
He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.
made it seem like my vote was an actual attempt to lynch someone instead of a vote to get him to explain his reasons, also made it seem like it's the same thing you're doing to try to get people to lynch me and not you

RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?
this post really makes no sense, he is already voting, and he's not even voting you..
pieguyn
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pieguyn
EBWOP

BRBP wrote:

RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?
name is necessary this time cause I have quotes from RB
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
I literally get nothing out of the RB-pieguy fight.

they are both fighting nonsensically hard and aggressive. could mean both are scum, or both are town. or one scum and one town.
this doesn't really help. at all.

by only having this discussion and no real night action results, most peple actually don't really say anything. which means that we can't scumhunt at all.
I advise you two (RB and pieguy) to lay your fights aside, because in the interest of town, we should actually try to hunt scum.

atm we have the camp BRBP+RB versus pieguy+Qua. the actions between tsukasa and qua didn't confirm anyone. sadly, my action also didn't confirm me.

I really don't know what to do, as there is either not really anything to read into (because almost no posts by the person) or it's nonsensical to try to read into it since it's just the same thing over and over again (RB and pieguy).
pieguyn
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pieguyn
there's also the idea that D1 I vote by gut feeling and no one ever gets this pissed off about it, generally anyone who counterattacks so hard ends up mafia, LOL
either way, I'm not sure night results would help. we've got 1 mystery role, 1 secret role, and 1 roleswitcher. assuming there's a doctor, they wouldn't get anything. so to prevent the doctor figuring out who he is there's another mystery role that doesn't get information, imo roleblocker would really fit this setup, not sure if town or mafia though. probably mafia but town roleblockers can exist, wouldn't surprise me at all to have this for the sake of confusion
I assume there are 2 mafia. If roles were distributed evenly, we'd get 1 mafia mystery role (probably the roleblocker) and 1 mafia secret role, maybe a bulletproof or smth. Then we'd either have as town 2~4 mystery roles + the roleswitcher. we know Tanz and Caligno were two of them so there's up to 2 mystery roles left. If there's another investigative role, the worst thing would be if they died, so in that case I recommend not claiming, but I think it should be fine if mystery roles who didn't get anything back claim...
also probably people should say if anything happened to them (but I bet everyone would have done that by now)
problem is mafia can blatantly lie about just about everything and no one would know
Rantai
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Rantai
No. I read as much as I could before kicking a dog.

Vote: Tanz

RB and pieguy, you two need to get yourselves sorted.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
No, because I know he's mafia.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Also I don't care if you all vote for me, as long as you guys vote for him D3.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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fartownik
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fartownik
Okay, tbh I don't see anything scummy in pieguy nor RB (besides their fight itself), it looks like an internal Town - Town fight, both giving the arguments only they can understand, nothing that would bring up my attention.

Everything seems to be around Tanz, I don't like the coincidence that he targeted Tsukasa somehow along with Quarezha the same night and also got nothing to confirm his action.

BRBP might be scum since he only basically dropped by to defend himself when he got attacked by pieguy, but his defence stand pretty strong. Not only defending himself, but fighting back with reasonable arguments seem like Town behavior.

About Tsukasa and Quarezha - one of them is 100% Town, because I don't think they'd target each other during the night if they were scum. Only one of them is confirmed Town because the other can still be lying. In this case it's Tsukasa, because Qua claimed his action pretty quickly, right after the day started + he quoted (intentionally?) his actual alignment from the PM (not sure if this modkillable, I guess not).

Vote: Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I personally still think that sukasa is scum, same reasons as before.

and since I can't really read into this game at all, I don't have anyone else.

so
Vote: Tsukasa
Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
Kanye West
VOTE COUNT:

BRBP - pieguy1372, Quaraezha
Tanzklaue - Rantai, fartownik
pieguy1372 - Raging Bull
Tsukasa - Tanzklaue

Let me know if there's mistakes.

17 hours until voting deadline.

Prod has been sent to Tsukasa.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
k we need to do shit
no point requesting extension cause then it'll end up being 24 more hours of inactivity
I'm sticking with BRBP for now cause nothing has happened whatsoever. something needs to happen already > <
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Also I don't care if you all vote for me, as long as you guys vote for him D3.
That's a really bad move...

A townie has no reason to vote himself, and it won't make you any less scummy if you're willing to risk it like that. Lynching you doesn't prove pieguy is scum anyway...

Not that I'd mind, I'd vote you after pieguy anyway, lol.
Still, I'd rather lynch pieguy first...

@Mod, c'mon...

god what the hell, do you even read? I didn't even vote for myself.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Isn't weird that Rantai and fartownik suddenly went on just to vote Tanzklue, a potential Mystery Role?
fartownik
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fartownik

Quaraezha wrote:

Isn't weird that Rantai and fartownik suddenly went on just to vote Tanzklue, a potential Mystery Role?
And here you are again... your argument makes no sense. What else was I supposed to do? I reviewed the thread again and got my own conclusions, thus my vote on Tanz. Also again - most of us are potential Mystery Roles tbh, Tanz is only different because he claimed. Not like that would stop me from voting a potential scum.
Rantai
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Rantai
Suddenly?

I'm pretty sure one of my earlier posts outlines why I voted Tanz.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
quara started this day doubting my action, doubting the usefulness of my role, and even doubting my mytery role claim overall.

and now he says again that my role could be potentially useful and that it is suspicious for people to vote for me?
after a day 1 that left me as the biggest scumsuspect and a day 2 that brought up virtually nothing?

I don't know about you guys, but I get major scumvibes from that.

Vote: Quaraezha
VoidnOwO
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pieguyn
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pieguyn
good god someone fucking vote BRBP already
RB + BRBP best scumteam 2014
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
/late

Tanzklaue wrote:

I personally still think that sukasa is scum, same reasons as before.

and since I can't really read into this game at all, I don't have anyone else.

so
Vote: Tsukasa
Seriously?

Tanzklaue wrote:

quara started this day doubting my action, doubting the usefulness of my role, and even doubting my mytery role claim overall.

and now he says again that my role could be potentially useful and that it is suspicious for people to vote for me?
after a day 1 that left me as the biggest scumsuspect and a day 2 that brought up virtually nothing?

I don't know about you guys, but I get major scumvibes from that.

Vote: Quaraezha
Double seriously?

Guys how many to hammer? Because I am so going to intent if there's a chance
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Tsukasa wrote:

/late

Tanzklaue wrote:

I personally still think that sukasa is scum, same reasons as before.

and since I can't really read into this game at all, I don't have anyone else.

so
Vote: Tsukasa
Seriously?

Tanzklaue wrote:

quara started this day doubting my action, doubting the usefulness of my role, and even doubting my mytery role claim overall.

and now he says again that my role could be potentially useful and that it is suspicious for people to vote for me?
after a day 1 that left me as the biggest scumsuspect and a day 2 that brought up virtually nothing?

I don't know about you guys, but I get major scumvibes from that.

Vote: Quaraezha
Double seriously?

Guys how many to hammer? Because I am so going to intent if there's a chance
if you vote me now then I am most likely dead.

and i think qua and tsukasa are scum. I think that pieguy and RB fight a town vs town fight, BRBP is as far as I'm concerned town aligned aswell. rantai and fart definetly get a townread from me, as they seem to be the only ones not contradicting themselves constantly and not fighting meaningless fights.

qua just flip flops heavily, first he says at the start of day 2 that I am not to be believed and that my mystery role is not a valid reason to not lynch me, and then he swings back on his opinion to attack the 2 guys I think are most definetly town.

tsukasa was so overly aggressive and nitpicky on me, trying to carry the RV on me out to an easy lynch, and then attacking me, even slightly insulting me. he also only tunneled on me, was superconcerned about confirming qua, and didn't help at all to find scum the whole time. he also randomly voted for rantai at day 1 for even sillier reasons than he had for me.

overall, this game suffers from inactivity. if town wants to win, day 3 has to be a pressure fest. and the dumb and unnecessary fights have to end. they don't help town to find scum.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I also find it funny how tsukasa reads my voting on him as scummy behaviour, when he himself is just ridiculously tunneled on me.
also, why would tsukasa want to know how much it takes to hammer? he should vote regardless of the chance ofa hammer, especially considering how much time is left until the deadline.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
for me BRBP might as well have roleclaimed mafia
pieguyn
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pieguyn
also iirc there's 2 hours left I think
it's probably earlier though > <
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

Tanzklaue wrote:

overall, this game suffers from inactivity. if town wants to win, day 3 has to be a pressure fest. and the dumb and unnecessary fights have to end. they don't help town to find scum.
We can move the pressure fest earlier, D2.

Like pressuring Tanz.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

Tanzklaue wrote:

I also find it funny how tsukasa reads my voting on him as scummy behaviour, when he himself is just ridiculously tunneled on me.
also, why would tsukasa want to know how much it takes to hammer? he should vote regardless of the chance ofa hammer, especially considering how much time is left until the deadline.
Because obviously you state intent to hammer before hammering.

:roll:
VoidnOwO
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pieguyn
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pieguyn
hell looking at it even more I have no idea what to think
that NL was like the worst thing ever, we got no information whatsoever from that. now I almost feel like voting RB again or maybe Tanz
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

pieguy1372 wrote:

hell looking at it even more I have no idea what to think
that NL was like the worst thing ever, we got no information whatsoever from that. now I almost feel like voting RB again or maybe Tanz
WHEN DAFUQ WAS NL D1 A GOOD IDEA?!

Finally you understand.

NL would be fine on MyLo or shit like that
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I understood since before D1 even ended
FoS Tsukasa not reading the thread :P
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Hey. It's not only directed to you, brother.

Anyways... What's tanz's standing? Too lazy to count votes
pieguyn
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pieguyn
mod: can we get a 24 hour extension plz
we need to figure stuff out first
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I still say pieguy is mafia but I'll go and put away our shit for today then.
Kanye West
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Topic Starter
Kanye West
VOTE COUNT:

pieguy1372 - Raging Bull, BRBP
BRBP - pieguy1372, Quaraezha
Tanzklaue - Rantai, fartownik
Quaraezha - Tanzklaue

Let me know if there's mistakes. (fixed, didn't catch BRBP's vote before)

Deadline extended by 24 hours, a little over 25 hours remain.
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
my vote is on qua kanye
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Oh 4 votes to hammer.

[b]Vote:Tanz[b]
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Vote:Tanz

DAMN / KEY
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Tanz, people seem to think Qua is town due to his role interaction with Tsukasa. Why did you vote for him?

Tanzklaue wrote:

quara started this day doubting my action, doubting the usefulness of my role, and even doubting my mytery role claim overall.

and now he says again that my role could be potentially useful and that it is suspicious for people to vote for me?
after a day 1 that left me as the biggest scumsuspect and a day 2 that brought up virtually nothing?

I don't know about you guys, but I get major scumvibes from that.

Vote: Quaraezha

Where did you get that?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Because he thinks we're both scum :roll:
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Quaraezha wrote:

Isn't weird that Rantai and fartownik suddenly went on just to vote Tanzklue, a potential Mystery Role?
I got that from here.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I was just a little convinced that both Rantai and fartownik want to lynch Tanzklue.
Because a) He's an easy target who makes a lot of mistakes, and easy to make a point when trying to lynch him
b) He claimed a mystery role, so if he really is a mystery role, that would be a plus for Mafia
I'm not trying to defend Tanz but I just think it's weird.

But I'm probably just too distracted by pieguy/BRBP/Raging Bull's silly arguments.
That and it's impossible for both me and Tsukasa to be Mafia.
Because no other Town Mystery Roles made a report other than Tanzklue
If there are more Mystery Roles in town, they would've reported already because having around 4-5 town MR's are too many.

There might be one hiding, but that's understandable if there's really nothing to report.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Tanz: Seriously answer that.

Isn't it because you both think we're scum?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I answered already.

you really should read more carefully.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

Tanzklaue wrote:

Quaraezha wrote:

Isn't weird that Rantai and fartownik suddenly went on just to vote Tanzklue, a potential Mystery Role?
I got that from here.
So this IS your final answer?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
uhm, yea?

I mean, RB asked from where I got the idea that qua again argues on my potential use as PR, I gave the quote from where I got this read, what's your point?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Because if you actually had the reason as me and qua being scum then I could have said you were town.
Because no scum would actually call both of us liars. Only town people do that

Obviously you didn't.

And you actually moved up a scum level
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I don't have much experience with Tanz, but I just think he's a clumsy/unhelpful unconfirmed mystery townie.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Especially after voting me

Tanzklaue wrote:

I personally still think that sukasa is scum, same reasons as before.

and since I can't really read into this game at all, I don't have anyone else.

so
Vote: Tsukasa

Tanzklaue wrote:

quara started this day doubting my action, doubting the usefulness of my role, and even doubting my mytery role claim overall.

and now he says again that my role could be potentially useful and that it is suspicious for people to vote for me?
after a day 1 that left me as the biggest scumsuspect and a day 2 that brought up virtually nothing?

I don't know about you guys, but I get major scumvibes from that.

Vote: Quaraezha
Then Qua

Tanzklaue wrote:

if you vote me now then I am most likely dead.

and i think qua and tsukasa are scum. I think that pieguy and RB fight a town vs town fight, BRBP is as far as I'm concerned town aligned aswell. rantai and fart definetly get a townread from me, as they seem to be the only ones not contradicting themselves constantly and not fighting meaningless fights.

qua just flip flops heavily, first he says at the start of day 2 that I am not to be believed and that my mystery role is not a valid reason to not lynch me, and then he swings back on his opinion to attack the 2 guys I think are most definetly town.

tsukasa was so overly aggressive and nitpicky on me, trying to carry the RV on me out to an easy lynch, and then attacking me, even slightly insulting me. he also only tunneled on me, was superconcerned about confirming qua, and didn't help at all to find scum the whole time. he also randomly voted for rantai at day 1 for even sillier reasons than he had for me.

overall, this game suffers from inactivity. if town wants to win, day 3 has to be a pressure fest. and the dumb and unnecessary fights have to end. they don't help town to find scum.
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Especially when you said that both of us are scum
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
what?

me saying you and qua are both scum would make me town?

a) why even?
b) I said earlier that I believe you and qua are scum, so why do you ask that again?
c) why do you take my answer to RBs question as answer to yours? it was clearly directed at RB, so again, what is your point?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
A) Because only town would be the only people to think that both Qua and I are lying. It's actually a fact.
B) Final determination if you are scum or town.
C) I just noticed the chance
Quaraezha
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@Tanzklue: You just keep answering questions with more questions rather than answering them.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Tsukasa wrote:

A) Because only town would be the only people to think that both Qua and I are lying. It's actually a fact.
B) Final determination if you are scum or town.
C) I just noticed the chance
so you take an answer to a question that wasn't even yours and judge on that?

you didn't even ask me directly, you answered iin my stead to RB.
yes, I think you are both scum. but that wasn't the point of RBs question.the point of it was WHY I thought qua was scum. I answered his question perfectly fine, and from that you concluded that I must be scum. because I didn't say "I think tsukasa and qua are scum together", which i already said earlier though, but apparently that statement makes me scummier again.

am I really the only one who sees this nonsensical madness?

@qua: I answered RBs question, and after that I didn't answer any question with a question.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

Tanzklaue wrote:

@qua: I answered RBs question, and after that I didn't answer any question with a question.

Tanzklaue wrote:

what?

me saying you and qua are both scum would make me town?

a) why even?
b) I said earlier that I believe you and qua are scum, so why do you ask that again?
c) why do you take my answer to RBs question as answer to yours? it was clearly directed at RB, so again, what is your point?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Quaraezha wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

@qua: I answered RBs question, and after that I didn't answer any question with a question.

Tanzklaue wrote:

what?

me saying you and qua are both scum would make me town?

a) why even?
b) I said earlier that I believe you and qua are scum, so why do you ask that again?
c) why do you take my answer to RBs question as answer to yours? it was clearly directed at RB, so again, what is your point?
those weren't answers. those were legitimate questions, because I just don't get him anymore.

I man, to what question should they even be an answer?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

Tanzklaue wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

A) Because only town would be the only people to think that both Qua and I are lying. It's actually a fact.
B) Final determination if you are scum or town.
C) I just noticed the chance
so you take an answer to a question that wasn't even yours and judge on that?

you didn't even ask me directly, you answered iin my stead to RB.
yes, I think you are both scum. but that wasn't the point of RBs question.the point of it was WHY I thought qua was scum. I answered his question perfectly fine, and from that you concluded that I must be scum. because I didn't say "I think tsukasa and qua are scum together", which i already said earlier though, but apparently that statement makes me scummier again.

am I really the only one who sees this nonsensical madness?

@qua: I answered RBs question, and after that I didn't answer any question with a question.
Obviously because a direct question is always bad and dumb.

And to be fair.

I did ASK you for a confirmation. You confirmed it
Tanzklaue
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yes, I agree, it is pretty dumb to ask a question in a way that it is actually a question and actually understandable.

you asked me on confirmation on my answer to RBs question, and I gave you that. like i said, you didn't even ask me about me saying that you and qua are scum.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
That's because you're hallucinating.

This is not nonsensical madness. You're the only one who sees it like that.

And if you can actually understand why you saying that Qua and I are buddies together would make you town, then you wouldn't see it as madness.

But then again if you knew how to answer me, Then I can never confirm you.

Ergo, you scumz
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
No no no.

The question is not about why Qua and I are scum.

The reason is why you vote Qua

And to top that off, why you vote Qua after you vote me. THEN saying that both of us are scum
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
if it's so easy, then please, anyone: explain it. why would me thinking tsukasa and qua are scum make me town.

the reason why you are scum is that you are senselessly aggressive against me, to a point where it is just ridiculous.

the reason I suspect qua (see the difference "is" and "suspect") is because he basically goes down on my 2 best townreads in this mess using an argument contradictionary to what he said earlier (he even doubted my claim at the start of day 2, so why should he argue on me being a mystery role?)

I first voted you in the vague hope that anyone actually listens to me instead of fighting a pointless fight and to get you lynched, because I am convinced that you are scum.

I then voted qua, because pressuring someone who you think might be scum to get more info out of them is just the way you should play as town. again, nobody listened to me, instead still arguing over RB and pieguy.

I then said that i think that both of you are scum, because that's just the case. while I am not completly sure with qua, I am completly sure with you, and since you are y only leads here, I go with them.
Raging Bull
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I forsee pieguy vs RB: Tsukasa vs Tanzklaue version.

Truthfully, I cannot understand this also
A) Because only town would be the only people to think that both Qua and I are lying. It's actually a fact.
pieguyn
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okay so let's assume RB, me, Tanz, and Tsukasa are all confirmed town
that leaves BRBP, Rantai, Qua, and fartownik
of those, Qua was pushing a no lynch really hard. then again I'm still not sure how likely starting with a mafia roleswitcher is
looking at fartownik he followed people earlier but I looked at some other games the other day and he always seems to do that from what I can tell, so I don't even know
BRBP is 101% mafia
I'm not sure I like how Rantai pushed for a Tanz lynch from the start. he's also just been holding back the whole game. in other words, I can't figure out anything, srsly that NL was so bad aaaaaaaa > <

now, even if we remove the assumption, that NL was really bad either way. Now we're completely stuck D2. so HoS: Rantai
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pieguyn
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hahaha
that's cause I thought we'd get everything done within the next 24 hours, but then we didn't
if you wanna lynch me based off that go ahead :P
Rantai
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That NL didn't affect the outcome that much, you can still infer some information from day 1's voting (which is basically the same information as a lynch, just a little harder to process).

We basically got the worst case scenario this round (please think about this objectively, the chances of our informative role dying night one was very low, RNG dicked us hard), so you *can* say that the NL lead to a bad outcome this time but the idea itself was fine had any other person got cop.
pieguyn
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except the alignments of the players can tell us a lot, now we don't have it 0.0
Rantai
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Eh not particularly, especially if town mislynch. A scum lynch would give more I guess.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Day should've ended by now.
Kanye West
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sry about this guys, day's over. been afk all day moving into new apartment,

VOTE COUNT:

Tanzklaue - Rantai, fartownik, Tsukasa
pieguy1372 - Raging Bull, BRBP
BRBP - pieguy1372, Quaraezha
Quaraezha - Tanzklaue

And so at the end of the long day, the group decides to lynch Tanzklaue. They sail out to sea, tie him to a large rock, and drown him.

"Wait, what does that card he left behind say?!?"
"Certified bodyguard"
"Shit."

Tanzklaue was lynched. Tanzklaue was a Bodyguard (Town).

It is now Night 2. Submit all actions. Night 2 ends in 24 hours.
Tanzklaue
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good luck town, I will try to be less shi- *gurgles*
Kanye West
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As you wake up and wander to the town square, you notice a body, still warm with blood.

"Is that Quaraezha? Looks like he's wearing his clothes or something..."

"No, it's Tsukasa!"

Tsukasa has died. Tsukasa was a Changeling (Town).

It is now Day 3. With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to hammer. Deadline is in 96 hours.
Quaraezha
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So I'm clear now Secret Role Townie, right?

Also, I guess Mafia Kill prioritizes the "Changeling" action
pieguyn
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yep I assume changeling = role switcher
you could still be mafia cause I assume it doesn't change alignment
Rantai
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Huh, never heard of changeling before.
fartownik
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Wow, the activity beams.

Let's analyze the information the 2 kills give us.

I feel sorry for Tanz, he was really my best bet for scum, disappointed to see him flip Town. I don't think we can base on the information from the wagon itself though, as only me and Rantai remain living. I think it wouldn't be in the best interest of scum to kill off a potential scumspect from the same wagon they were on, thus Rantai doesn't ring scum for voting Tanz.

The Tsukasa kill was like the most obvious thing scum could do, and they did it. Didn't expect much else since he was a Mystery Role. If he didn't die though they could put some WIFOM on him, like why isn't a known PR dead yet? Seems like he was a threat for them in the end, but I didn't see any more suspects from him besides Tanz whom is already dead. I guess we should stick to the scenario that they killed him because he was a PR.

Quarezha is most likely Town imo, but I can be wrong. He keeps bringing the information that he's Town in his posts so much that I find it persistent.

My best guess would be BRBP/pieguy/RB lineup. As much as I doubt pieguy and RB are scum together because of that 'little' fight, I can't deny one of them might still be scum, probably along with BRBP. pieguy seems to push BRBP hard for the lynch, doesn't feel much like distancing so I guess my 2 best guesses would be BRBP and RB.

Also, aren't we in MyLo yet? 4 Townies, 2 scum. Means if we mislynch we have 3 Townies, 2 scum, adding a nightkill it's 2=2 which means a lose. I guess it's partially MyLo since the nightkill might not be performed due to the PRs, but I guess Kanye should've stated that in his latest post anyhow.
Rantai
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Yeah we're in my-lo.
Raging Bull
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Okay so did anyone get anything useful? Because I think Q can be mafia. He targetted Tsukasa with his role to test it and is the first to report his action. He did it really quick that it made me suspicious. Perhaps to get town cred really early on?

Also damnit I'm still for pieguy.
Rantai
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Raging Bull wrote:

Okay so did anyone get anything useful? Because I think Q can be mafia. He targetted Tsukasa with his role to test it and is the first to report his action. He did it really quick that it made me suspicious. Perhaps to get town cred really early on?
To be the first to claim without any way to back out of it and to be endorsed by a confirmed town leads me to believe that he is more likely town than mafia.

BUT I still have absolutely no idea what a changeling actually is so I am eh-eh about it (did a skim of the mafia wiki, didn't find it)

@mod - can you explain what a changeling is - I want peace of mind.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Rantai wrote:

@mod - can you explain what a changeling is - I want peace of mind.
Role Swapper with a cooler name.
Rantai
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Rantai
Mm thanks.
fartownik
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fartownik
Hm, this game is still running. Are we even doing anything?
Raging Bull
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God damn okay... pieguy anyone?
Rantai
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I'm not sure who to vote for today. My-lo policy is usually no lynch to bring it to ly-lo but I get the feeling I already know who is going to get shot (no point trying to pick at that statement, put two and two together).


To be honest though, I haven't been paying too much attention for the past few days (uni-related issues).
pieguyn
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let's do something
vote: BRBP same idea as before
Quaraezha
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Just leaving my vote here. Shit got boring, sorry.

Vote: No Lynch
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