imo it's easier for us to compare with others with amount of pp rather than our ranks.peppy wrote:
when talking about pp changes, please focus on rank, not raw numbers raw pp is soon to be hidden forever (since it is useless unless compared relatively to others).
and yes there have been changes, and will be more to come.
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darkmiz wrote:
normal diff OP
Yes, I feel like easier diffs are overrated by quite a lot at the moment. My ranks across all modes stayed basically the same, so I don't really care about that part, but this suddenly jumped up to #6 of my top performances. The map is really easy and the only reason for my high rank is lack of contestation by good players.
Well, there's still time to see how the system is adjusted further. Just my two cents.
Well, there's still time to see how the system is adjusted further. Just my two cents.
So this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/106173?m=0 appears in my top performances now. Sorry to say that but it's getting worse.
So there will be no way to know if we are actually going up or not, or how fast...peppy wrote:
when talking about pp changes, please focus on rank, not raw numbers raw pp is soon to be hidden forever (since it is useless unless compared relatively to others).
and yes there have been changes, and will be more to come.
Nope, it's been proved that you can get #1 by farming hards.Callum Melville wrote:
It's debatable that getting a high rank on a song takes a degree of skill. (Insanes +) I usually try to full combo all the "difficult" maps that are a challenge to me, so why not just put Hidden on anyways? When I play my goal is 97% accuracy and full combo, not how much pp I'll get, although I think many people enjoy being rewarded (to a degree) for their effort. Back when score determined your rank you still had people playing maps over and over with mods for the highest score possible. People will always want to have a high rank because it feels good. I wouldn't call one's rank 100% meaningless because obviously there is a skill difference between top 100 players and top 10000.
For me personally most of my pp came simply getting a full combo and high accuracy on high difficulty songs but that won't be the case soon, which is why I think the pp system should be based mainly on map difficulty, not rank.
primrose
Don't worry, it's the same for everyone and it gets worse by the day.
I think it goes without saying peppy: These changes are BAD.
I rose 3 ranks!!! \:D/ keep up the good work peppy!
Topic Starter
It's getting off topic? It's not about complaining whether the changes are bad or good.
it's been proved that if you are cookiezi and a total baller then you farm insanes with HD DT like shadowsoul farms his hards.Wishy wrote:
Nope, it's been proved that you can get #1 by farming hards.Callum Melville wrote:
It's debatable that getting a high rank on a song takes a degree of skill. (Insanes +) I usually try to full combo all the "difficult" maps that are a challenge to me, so why not just put Hidden on anyways? When I play my goal is 97% accuracy and full combo, not how much pp I'll get, although I think many people enjoy being rewarded (to a degree) for their effort. Back when score determined your rank you still had people playing maps over and over with mods for the highest score possible. People will always want to have a high rank because it feels good. I wouldn't call one's rank 100% meaningless because obviously there is a skill difference between top 100 players and top 10000.
For me personally most of my pp came simply getting a full combo and high accuracy on high difficulty songs but that won't be the case soon, which is why I think the pp system should be based mainly on map difficulty, not rank.
needless to say that nobody stands a chance against cookiezi's farming abilities.
seems like most people lost pp, while some random people (like me \:D/) gained pp.
errr... what kind of change..?peppy wrote:
when talking about pp changes, please focus on rank, not raw numbers raw pp is soon to be hidden forever (since it is useless unless compared relatively to others).
and yes there have been changes, and will be more to come.
I rose about 900 ranks with about 2 hours of farming...
I think those changes need to be fine tuned.
I think those changes need to be fine tuned.
Yet you can beat Cookiezi@pp by farming hards... what's your point?Tanzklaue wrote:
it's been proved that if you are cookiezi and a total baller then you farm insanes with HD DT like shadowsoul farms his hards.
needless to say that nobody stands a chance against cookiezi's farming abilities.
seems like most people lost pp, while some random people (like me \:D/) gained pp.
farming normals is an option now?
brilliant
i love this update
funny though my pp boosted but my rank remained static
brilliant
i love this update
funny though my pp boosted but my rank remained static
it has always been, maps like hit in the usa, speed over beethoven have already given tons of pp in the past
primrose
the point is that you can't. if you farm insanes like others farm hard, then you will get a ton more pp than hard-farmers.Wishy wrote:
Yet you can beat Cookiezi@pp by farming hards... what's your point?Tanzklaue wrote:
it's been proved that if you are cookiezi and a total baller then you farm insanes with HD DT like shadowsoul farms his hards.
needless to say that nobody stands a chance against cookiezi's farming abilities.
seems like most people lost pp, while some random people (like me \:D/) gained pp.
the point is that besides cookiezi nobody can do it.
Well ShadowSoul did beat Cookiezi@pp by farming hards.Tanzklaue wrote:
the point is that you can't. if you farm insanes like others farm hard, then you will get a ton more pp than hard-farmers.
the point is that besides cookiezi nobody can do it.
What this change did: Made pp farmers stronger.
Thanks peppy. I work hard to get 99% on lunatics and get nothing while people do mods on easy maps and pass me up. I think you made the game even MORE unbalanced.
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/142765 on Insane at 99% with hidden gets nothing
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150238 on Insane at 98% with hidden gets nothing
While doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46477 on Princess' revenge with hidden at 98% gets a LOT OF PP. The map isn't even hard! (Even when I SS'd it no mod it gave a lot of pp, I was really surprised!)
Seriously what the heck.
Even stuff like this http://puu.sh/37paI.jpg gives nothing.
(rages)
You can't really farm insane unless you're doing it on an unreal level with at least two mods on the most ridiculous maps.
Thanks peppy. I work hard to get 99% on lunatics and get nothing while people do mods on easy maps and pass me up. I think you made the game even MORE unbalanced.
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/142765 on Insane at 99% with hidden gets nothing
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150238 on Insane at 98% with hidden gets nothing
While doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46477 on Princess' revenge with hidden at 98% gets a LOT OF PP. The map isn't even hard! (Even when I SS'd it no mod it gave a lot of pp, I was really surprised!)
Seriously what the heck.
Even stuff like this http://puu.sh/37paI.jpg gives nothing.
(rages)
You can't really farm insane unless you're doing it on an unreal level with at least two mods on the most ridiculous maps.
that was like, a half year ago?Wishy wrote:
Well ShadowSoul did beat Cookiezi@pp by farming hards.Tanzklaue wrote:
the point is that you can't. if you farm insanes like others farm hard, then you will get a ton more pp than hard-farmers.
the point is that besides cookiezi nobody can do it.
when cookiezi was just about to begin farming pp.if shadowsoul can do it now, then yes, I agree with you. but I don't think he can.
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Dexus wrote:
What this change did: Made pp farmers stronger.
Thanks peppy. I work hard to get 99% on lunatics and get nothing while people do mods on easy maps and pass me up. I think you made the game even MORE unbalanced.
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/142765 on Insane at 99% with hidden gets nothing
Doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150238 on Insane at 98% with hidden gets nothing
While doing this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46477 on Princess' revenge with hidden at 98% gets a LOT OF PP. The map isn't even hard! (Even when I SS'd it no mod it gave a lot of pp, I was really surprised!)
Seriously what the heck.
Even stuff like this http://puu.sh/37paI.jpg gives nothing.
(rages)
You can't really farm insane unless you're doing it on an unreal level with at least two mods on the most ridiculous maps.
Isn't that because the pp system only gives you pp if you're in the top 600? It's been like that the whole time.
You are just pointing out that Cookiezi can farm pp faster than anyone else, congratulations for stating the obvious, yet you can beat him by farming hards, it happened before and it can happen again.Tanzklaue wrote:
that was like, a half year ago?
when cookiezi was just about to begin farming pp.if shadowsoul can do it now, then yes, I agree with you. but I don't think he can.
Topic Starter
Okay guys let me clear up things : This is not the thread for you to complain about how pp farmers can beat you in pp. My intention creating this thread are to make ppl and Support Team notice that there are some changes in pp system, or maybe notify peppy if this is really an error. If you really want a high rank, you should do the same things what pp farmers do. Complaining won't help a bit
If you guys want to complain about pp thingy , go to feature request and ask for pp system deletion.
Thanks for those who not complaining things here
If you guys want to complain about pp thingy , go to feature request and ask for pp system deletion.
Thanks for those who not complaining things here
There is no need for this thread, pp gets really bad everytime they modify it. Only real way to see if your change is good is to apply it and see how everything works out, you can say they just try something, break everything and then somehow fix it.
Topic Starter
if this thread aren't necessary, why there are no one locked this thread? even peppy himself didn't lock this thread. I hope for comments like " yeah mine was too. my pp decreased a lot TT. Hope this is an error " . not comment like " pp farmers suck! New systems made them easier to farms! fix it! " Just beat their best performance if you think that you're better than them.
This thread's purpose is to inform osu!'s staff that they broke something@pp, they already know, therefore this thread serves no purpose. That does not mean it should be closed, discussion forums are meant for people to discuss.
Topic Starter
yeah, but this is not the places where you go complaining about pp farmers
Nothing was broken.