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Well it is possible indeed, but I wouldn't like one >< it would be akward, as I said before
Well, I had no idea they had a mordekaiser song... Guess I missed it in the songs of the summoner crap... Anyway.
[Snep's HUE]
00:09:169 (7) - Keep it straight like the other sliders, it doesn't flow very well
00:16:058 (6) - Reverse
00:16:280 (7) - ^
00:17:614 (1) - Remove NC
00:18:058 (2) - NC
01:00:503 (6) - ^
Kei&Snep's HUE HUE HUE]
00:36:614 (5,6) - If you're trying to make a diamond, these 2 are off.
WELL. That song was pretty interesting. Did they win the Song competition? Anyway, amazing map, uhm. I realized that this was approval a little too late, so you probably could throw out my suggestions.. But yeah, good job! And good luck on your map.
[Snep's HUE]
00:09:169 (7) - Keep it straight like the other sliders, it doesn't flow very well
00:16:058 (6) - Reverse
00:16:280 (7) - ^
00:17:614 (1) - Remove NC
00:18:058 (2) - NC
01:00:503 (6) - ^
Kei&Snep's HUE HUE HUE]
00:36:614 (5,6) - If you're trying to make a diamond, these 2 are off.
WELL. That song was pretty interesting. Did they win the Song competition? Anyway, amazing map, uhm. I realized that this was approval a little too late, so you probably could throw out my suggestions.. But yeah, good job! And good luck on your map.
Topic Starter
Jayce Piltover wrote:
Well, I had no idea they had a mordekaiser song... Guess I missed it in the songs of the summoner crap... Anyway.
[Snep's HUE]
00:09:169 (7) - Keep it straight like the other sliders, it doesn't flow very well Done
00:16:058 (6) - Reverse Nope it flows well like this :3
00:16:280 (7) - ^
00:17:614 (1) - Remove NC Nope because of the drum line - it is like this
00:18:058 (2) - NC
01:00:503 (6) - ^ Hmmm I don't really think this one would be good for NC because of the drum line and also consistency with other kiais :/
Kei&Snep's HUE HUE HUE]
00:36:614 (5,6) - If you're trying to make a diamond, these 2 are off. Right D: fixed
WELL. That song was pretty interesting. Did they win the Song competition? Anyway, amazing map, uhm. I realized that this was approval a little too late, so you probably could throw out my suggestions.. But yeah, good job! And good luck on your map.
Hehe thanks that was fast and good! Actually yes, this was the winner song LOL dunno how you don't know it xD
Thanks again! We can play if you want, add me on NA: Snepif
I really think about to change a bit to the NA Server, since many people of osu! play there. D:
Anyway, now to the Mod:
[General]
Why does it takes a bit when I want to play a Diff? It's like there is a Audio Lead-In for it, even you didn't do that. :O
[HUE]
00:20:614 - I think it it fits well with the Music if you add a Circle here. http://puu.sh/14eUN <- Just an example.
00:22:280 (2) - IMO the Middle part sounds awkward for me. You should not set here at 00:22:447 something.
01:38:836 (2) - Same here as above.
01:43:169 (5) - I would set NC here.
01:49:947 (5) - The End sounds extremly strange and partly out of beat. I would remove 01:50:392 (1) and extend this Slider to this time.
02:18:169 (4,5,6) - The Stacks feels unnatural to play, I suggest to unstack it, if possible.
[HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE]
00:04:503 (2,3) - The Jump is a bit far.. I would reduce it for.. like 1/4 of now?
02:14:392 (2,4) - Can you move them like that?: http://puu.sh/14fd4
02:55:003 (1) - I perfer that you should also end the Spinner like in the Diff before.
That's all what I could find. I hope this gets ranked even if I can't play such Diffs. orz
Anyway, now to the Mod:
[General]
Why does it takes a bit when I want to play a Diff? It's like there is a Audio Lead-In for it, even you didn't do that. :O
[HUE]
00:20:614 - I think it it fits well with the Music if you add a Circle here. http://puu.sh/14eUN <- Just an example.
00:22:280 (2) - IMO the Middle part sounds awkward for me. You should not set here at 00:22:447 something.
01:38:836 (2) - Same here as above.
01:43:169 (5) - I would set NC here.
01:49:947 (5) - The End sounds extremly strange and partly out of beat. I would remove 01:50:392 (1) and extend this Slider to this time.
02:18:169 (4,5,6) - The Stacks feels unnatural to play, I suggest to unstack it, if possible.
[HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE]
00:04:503 (2,3) - The Jump is a bit far.. I would reduce it for.. like 1/4 of now?
02:14:392 (2,4) - Can you move them like that?: http://puu.sh/14fd4
02:55:003 (1) - I perfer that you should also end the Spinner like in the Diff before.
That's all what I could find. I hope this gets ranked even if I can't play such Diffs. orz
Topic Starter
Thanks a lot!Stefan wrote:
I really think about to change a bit to the NA Server, since many people of osu! play there. D:
Anyway, now to the Mod:
[General]
Why does it takes a bit when I want to play a Diff? It's like there is a Audio Lead-In for it, even you didn't do that. :O It's because the SB starts before the song so there is empty space..
[HUE]
00:20:614 - I think it it fits well with the Music if you add a Circle here. http://puu.sh/14eUN <- Just an example. I don't like that D:
00:22:280 (2) - IMO the Middle part sounds awkward for me. You should not set here at 00:22:447 something. Checked at slow motion and it sounds good
01:38:836 (2) - Same here as above. Same~~
01:43:169 (5) - I would set NC here. No because the voice changes at my current NC, not there
01:49:947 (5) - The End sounds extremly strange and partly out of beat. I would remove 01:50:392 (1) and extend this Slider to this time. Actually I don't agree with that because the most intuitive thing is this i thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink and also it follows the drum line
02:18:169 (4,5,6) - The Stacks feels unnatural to play, I suggest to unstack it, if possible. Unnatural o.o? I like it and flows well imo
[HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE]
00:04:503 (2,3) - The Jump is a bit far.. I would reduce it for.. like 1/4 of now? Done
02:14:392 (2,4) - Can you move them like that?: http://puu.sh/14fd4 Done
02:55:003 (1) - I perfer that you should also end the Spinner like in the Diff before. Uhmm no because.. xD as this diff has a higher OD, the spinner in auto can't reach 1k bonus and that is unrankable, in "HUE" it does reach 1k so i did this
That's all what I could find. I hope this gets ranked even if I can't play such Diffs. orz
Snepif wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Why does it takes a bit when I want to play a Diff? It's like there is a Audio Lead-In for it, even you didn't do that. :O It's because the SB starts before the song so there is empty space..
Yeah, it's because of the SB (I added a fade effect before the song). Someone mentioned this already (I don't remember who) but somehow, I forgot to fix it.
Preview time seems to be pooted up
Topic Starter
Read what we said above ^ It's the SB. We gotta fix several SB issues but Kei's busy and she is the one who made the SB, i suck at that :3 so I'll wait for my Kei~~
Preview time has nothing to do with SB tho, leadIn does~
Topic Starter
Oh sorry D: what's wrong with it anyway? o.O
^The vocals are a bit cut-off imo
- /late
Topic Starter
Fixed SB stuff. Reduced SB load so it never goes above 5x and added a flash. Reduced folder size and deleted pause overlay which sucked.
Ready for MAT I guess?
Ready for MAT I guess?
No.
Get over it, this can't be approved, just as my map can't be approved. Map easier diffs.
Get over it, this can't be approved, just as my map can't be approved. Map easier diffs.
Topic Starter
LOL who are you? also this is old so it can be approved because it was uploaded before the rule.. also can be considered as a special case as far as I know.
And btw who are you again~? random butthurt appears!
And btw who are you again~? random butthurt appears!
Who are you.~
This song has very high BPM. The song you mapped for Approval is just a common song with 174BPM which can be perfectly for ranking. I'm not sure if you realize that this song is very fast and you can't map a easy or a normal difficulty with it. It's just too fast. It would sound bad because by doing that you have to skip 90% of the sounds. That is totally a waste. That's why this map can be considered as a special case, like my Snep<3 said. This song needs to be mapped for approval. It's not a excuse to make a hard map for approval.
This song has very high BPM. The song you mapped for Approval is just a common song with 174BPM which can be perfectly for ranking. I'm not sure if you realize that this song is very fast and you can't map a easy or a normal difficulty with it. It's just too fast. It would sound bad because by doing that you have to skip 90% of the sounds. That is totally a waste. That's why this map can be considered as a special case, like my Snep<3 said. This song needs to be mapped for approval. It's not a excuse to make a hard map for approval.
Topic Starter
<3 yay~ thanks my love
And... even if BATs tell me this must go for ranking, ill just map the other diffs patiently. No need to comment on other's maps, aite? I smell immaturity.
Enough :3 only reading mod/feedback posts!! /me wants MAT ;_;
And... even if BATs tell me this must go for ranking, ill just map the other diffs patiently. No need to comment on other's maps, aite? I smell immaturity.
Enough :3 only reading mod/feedback posts!! /me wants MAT ;_;
I don't think it matters if you know me or not lol, anyways, I found this map by searching for some good unapproved maps.Snepif wrote:
LOL who are you? also this is old so it can be approved because it was uploaded before the rule.. also can be considered as a special case as far as I know.
And btw who are you again~? random butthurt appears!
And no, if it's not about 250BPM breakcore which contains constant 1/4 or even 1/8 notes, there are no more exceptions to that rule.
Actually, in some parts the song sounds more like 135 BPM instead of 270, so It wouldn't be hard to map easier diffs. Sure, you would skip some notes, but if you can't make a good sounding Normal only for that reason, you srsly lack creativity. U say it would be a waste. Explain, what would be wasted?Kei wrote:
Who are you.~
This song has very high BPM. The song you mapped for Approval is just a common song with 174BPM which can be perfectly for ranking. I'm not sure if you realize that this song is very fast and you can't map a easy or a normal difficulty with it. It's just too fast. It would sound bad because by doing that you have to skip 90% of the sounds. That is totally a waste. That's why this map can be considered as a special case, like my Snep<3 said. This song needs to be mapped for approval. It's not a excuse to make a hard map for approval.
I think it would be rather a waste not to let beginners enjoy this song too.
lolwat, it has nothing to do with immaturity, I just want people to accept the rules. I would consider getting angry, insulting someone, and then deciding to ignore every post you don't like because you're being asked to follow the rules much more immature.Snepif wrote:
And... even if BATs tell me this must go for ranking, ill just map the other diffs patiently. No need to comment on other's maps, aite? I smell immaturity.
Enough :3 only reading mod/feedback posts!! /me wants MAT ;_;
Topic Starter
I'll ignore your posts because I don't want to get my thread locked and also you don't decide anything, as I said before, I'll wait for XATs opinions.
The whole song. Mapping just 10% of all the mappable stuff of the song is just baaaaaaad.Zarerion wrote:
you can't make a good sounding Normal only for that reason, you srsly lack creativity. U say it would be a waste. Explain, what would be wasted?
Does someone actually care about this? I don't think so. If mappers actually cared about this, someone could mapped easier diffs for their approval maps, but clearly, nobody does. The only reason which people is starting to map easier diffs is because the rule is being enforced. This map was submitted before the rule was stablished, so we have a chance to leave the mapset as it is. We are going to ask a BAT if this map can be approved or not. If it can't, we will try to map easier difficulties. Ah and btw, Snep is not being immature. We just don't like your attitude towards us. It is not like you're a XAT or something to tell us what to do, or whats wrong/right.Zarerion wrote:
I think it would be rather a waste not to let beginners enjoy this song too.
map easier diffsSnepif wrote:
I'll ignore your posts because I don't want to get my thread locked and also you don't decide anything, as I said before, I'll wait for XATs opinions.
Topic Starter
Well guess more bats need to speak then, others said app was fine.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine if i have to map more, but i wanna be sure.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine if i have to map more, but i wanna be sure.
I don't want to ruin your mapthread here with a derailing discussion, but mapping only 1 or 2 diffs (of same difficulty level) just is ignorant to the majority of the community: the average (non-elite) players. I don't see a good reasoning why 2-4 min songs should be approved, in most cases these maps are just normal maps with the lack of easy diffs.
Approval for special maps, Rank for everything else.
Approval for special maps, Rank for everything else.
Topic Starter
My doubt was about my map being "too hard" for easier diffs a.k.a. difficult in special ways...
If you think your map is challenging in a special way (as per the previous "approved" category) please approach a BAT about special treatmentMaybe my map could fit into that category, idk
If it is too hard, there should be plenty of room for easier diffs, unless you mapped to the most basic rhythm possible already. A single challenging diff doesn't prevent you from also taking care of the less skilled players, as well as the easier diff isn't hurting you or the map.
Let's put it another way: have you even tried mapping an easier version? Usually it's not too hard to map. Of course nobody expects you to make a 0-1 star diff for a song of this speed, but giving it a serious try would be a fair solution.
Let's put it another way: have you even tried mapping an easier version? Usually it's not too hard to map. Of course nobody expects you to make a 0-1 star diff for a song of this speed, but giving it a serious try would be a fair solution.
Topic Starter
Guys, I never said I wouldn't map another diff and also I never said that my map MUST go for app and you are "wrong" in saying the opposite.
I just had a doubt. Okay then.
So should I add normal + hard or something like that? I don't want to map a REAL easy... uhm... or what?
I just had a doubt. Okay then.
So should I add normal + hard or something like that? I don't want to map a REAL easy... uhm... or what?
you should get 1 diff under 3.00 star rating, and you really do need a [Hard]
Sakura wrote:
If you think your map is challenging in a special way (as per the previous "approved" category) please approach a BAT about special treatment.
Sakura wrote:
If you think your map is challenging in a special way
Sakura wrote:
your map is challenging in a special way
Sakura wrote:
challenging in a special way
Sakura wrote:
special way
Imo this map should go for approval. Besides this map was submitted before that rule got enforced.
@Zarerion: Seriously you made me laugh. DO YOU even see difference between 174 bpm drum n bass song and 270 bpm fast metal song? This song is very unique, easier diffs cannot be made. Imagine if val had to make easier diffs for every approved Miku song.
you srsly lack creativityYOU lack creativity while cannot map easier diff for 174 bpm song.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/49739 helloDangaard wrote:
but mapping only 1 or 2 diffs (of same difficulty level) just is ignorant to the majority of the community: the average (non-elite) players.
Finally, someone understands what I tried to say in my last post.
Lots of mappers don't care about the community itself, that's why most of approved maps have only 1-2 insane/challenging difficulties.
but mapping only 1 or 2 diffs (of same difficulty level) just is ignorant to the majority of the community: the average (non-elite) players.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/49739 helloThis ^.
Lots of mappers don't care about the community itself, that's why most of approved maps have only 1-2 insane/challenging difficulties.
How sweet, this discussion. At the end it will be neccessary to map some easier Diffs for the Mapset, anyways.
Well, the communtiy never will find a good way to bring something at the End. Well, this rule should not affect to maps before the rule got set, but as always people give their "good" reasons why it shouldn't be. And they aren't even good mostly. But nevermind~
Seriously, how even should look a good Easy/Normal Diff for such a Song? As Bass quoted why this Map should go for approval, it is reasonable enough. And if you took a Look at the Map, you cannot say, this are typical Insane Diffs. I hope Snepif stays behind his principles and don't add any easier Diffs to this.
MOAR STARS FOR MORDE I got pwned by Soraka ;_;
Well, the communtiy never will find a good way to bring something at the End. Well, this rule should not affect to maps before the rule got set, but as always people give their "good" reasons why it shouldn't be. And they aren't even good mostly. But nevermind~
Seriously, how even should look a good Easy/Normal Diff for such a Song? As Bass quoted why this Map should go for approval, it is reasonable enough. And if you took a Look at the Map, you cannot say, this are typical Insane Diffs. I hope Snepif stays behind his principles and don't add any easier Diffs to this.
MOAR STARS FOR MORDE I got pwned by Soraka ;_;
report plsStefan wrote:
MOAR STARS FOR MORDE I got pwned by Soraka ;_;
Also about what Dangaard said "2-4 minutes song" length doesn't matter as long as song/map is special. That's what happened with my mittens map. At first it was supposed to be ranked, but BD's diff is challenging so I decided it will go for approval. BATs wanted it not approved due to lenght but a lot of people supported me and I fought and I won and it got approved. So fight too and good luck!
Uhm, what? When did I say i couldn't map easier diffs for my map? I already did o.oBass wrote:
@Zarerion: Seriously you made me laugh. DO YOU even see difference between 174 bpm drum n bass song and 270 bpm fast metal song? This song is very unique, easier diffs cannot be made. Imagine if val had to make easier diffs for every approved Miku song.you srsly lack creativityYOU lack creativity while cannot map easier diff for 174 bpm song.
Actually, I thought the same way as you did until a few days ago, however, my mind changed a bit.
Imo, actually it's always possible to map easier diffs, even if it means skipping some notes. This would include val's maps. And only because the players playing [Insane] diffs think [Easy] diffs on such songs would be boring, they would be just as exciting and funny for beginners as the hard diffs are for you or me. Not mapping such diffs is...just..lazy, and not really fair.
This is only my opinion though.
Topic Starter
Omg thanks so much guys! Seeing some support made me happy :3 thanks Kei <3, Stefan and Bass, what you said is what I actually think.
But as always, some i-know-everything guys come in and say stuff... I don't want to sound rough but that's how it seems.
As you said, I don't really think an Easy would fit in here... I mean lets face it, the new APP rule is just plain stupid if not applied well. There's a reason to Sakura pointing out those "special ways". If a 270 BPM map isn't challenging enough for APP, then the "challenging in special way" exception shouldn't exist at all.
But as always, some i-know-everything guys come in and say stuff... I don't want to sound rough but that's how it seems.
As you said, I don't really think an Easy would fit in here... I mean lets face it, the new APP rule is just plain stupid if not applied well. There's a reason to Sakura pointing out those "special ways". If a 270 BPM map isn't challenging enough for APP, then the "challenging in special way" exception shouldn't exist at all.
It's the new visual upgrade ;_;Kei wrote:
report plsStefan wrote:
MOAR STARS FOR MORDE I got pwned by Soraka ;_;
@Zarerion: It's not that it is impossible to make Easy Diffs for such Songs, but it simply won't be good at the end, since the Diffs would feel very empty. Imagine this: The song is totally "hardcore" and fast but because of the SV or AR, it feels awkward and boring to play. Because songs like these aren't conceived to be "slow" in any way. And trust me, also Beginners can have this Feeling.
Also, the person won't die in a corner, just because there's no easier Diffs for the song.
And MATs/BATs, before you nagging about this Map, unrank this.
The Submit Date is the exactlly same. So if you set Rules, please, for the sake of all, take attention that ALL people follow it.
Also, the person won't die in a corner, just because there's no easier Diffs for the song.
And MATs/BATs, before you nagging about this Map, unrank this.
The Submit Date is the exactlly same. So if you set Rules, please, for the sake of all, take attention that ALL people follow it.
Topic Starter
^ Lol exactly same date!
But yeah, just read what I put in bold in my last post.
But yeah, just read what I put in bold in my last post.
You don't have to feel offended by my opinion on this. It's just that you seem to defend your principle for the sake of it, or just out of laziness, I dunno. I know the rule was made after this map's submission, so it's pretty much up to you, but still this is quite ignorant. Even if other people are doing this as well, there will definitely be people who will appreciate that there is an easier diff as well, more people than those who don't want it.
I mean these people who don't want an easier diff are not even going to play it anyway, so you should rather ask people who would actually do that. Then you might get support from both sides.
(I still don't get why you feel attacked)
I mean these people who don't want an easier diff are not even going to play it anyway, so you should rather ask people who would actually do that. Then you might get support from both sides.
(I still don't get why you feel attacked)
unlike The Ghost Of 3.13 - Forgotten, you can easily map easier diffs for this song.
A very hard map does not make your map special, but being unable to map easier diffs for the song does. and that does not apply here.
about the "this rule should not affect to maps before the rule got set" this only applied to the maps that were once bubbled before the new rule took place.
A very hard map does not make your map special, but being unable to map easier diffs for the song does. and that does not apply here.
about the "this rule should not affect to maps before the rule got set" this only applied to the maps that were once bubbled before the new rule took place.
lol, weak.happy30 wrote:
unlike The Ghost Of 3.13 - Forgotten, you can easily map easier diffs for this song.
goreshit - o'er the flood and The Ghost Of 3.13 - Forgotten comes from the same genre, but not like Forgotten, o'er the flood got an Easy, Normal and a Hard Diff. So it is also possible to make easier Diffs for Forgotten. This is just an bad example by you, happy. Sorry. And BD is now a Lazy Ass?
And so, if I understand you both correct, it isn't unfair that some Maps can simply avoid easy Diffs, just because some people agree that the Map is.. "challengeing"? If we would take the Maps from val's Mythologia's End until Talent Shredder, there would be just four Maps which would really fit in the category "Approval". (This would be A Little Piece of Heaven, Armin's WT Project, AugoEidEs and Desire Dream) The Rest of them, are they now lazy asses, because they didn't made any more lower Diffs for their Maps?
you are very ignorantStefan wrote:
goreshit - o'er the flood and The Ghost Of 3.13 - Forgotten comes from the same genre
they are very different genres.
o'er the flood is jungle-like breakcore, which means the beat is consistent
Forgotten is GLITCH breakcore, which means the beat is COMPLETELY broken and inconsistent
don't use stupid examples to show your ignorance, and leave people you hate out of this, if you can't even win an argument.
have fun.
The song self offers way more room to map easier diffs, unlike Forgotten.
And don't bring other maps to justify your own. This discussion gets invalid. I disagree this map to go for approval just because the diff is hard. Following the VERY slow sung vocals provide enough basics for easier diffs. Forgotten does not provide this.
And don't bring other maps to justify your own. This discussion gets invalid. I disagree this map to go for approval just because the diff is hard. Following the VERY slow sung vocals provide enough basics for easier diffs. Forgotten does not provide this.
I was asked to give my 2 cents on the difficulty thing, but before I could even deal with that, I had issue with something more fundamental:
I find the loud crisp hitsounds against the sloshy/badly mixed music to be very difficult to establish a solid timing while playing this map. It feels artificially fast with the doubled BPM and just feels like you're going for lolhard while making it difficult to follow aurally. Another pet peeve of mine is the super-fast SV with super-low distance snapping leads to pretty unsmooth play.
Also tick rate 1 fits this better since the BPM is doubled, as said earlier.
I find the loud crisp hitsounds against the sloshy/badly mixed music to be very difficult to establish a solid timing while playing this map. It feels artificially fast with the doubled BPM and just feels like you're going for lolhard while making it difficult to follow aurally. Another pet peeve of mine is the super-fast SV with super-low distance snapping leads to pretty unsmooth play.
Also tick rate 1 fits this better since the BPM is doubled, as said earlier.
Topic Starter
o.O Such an argument you guys made.
I never said I wouldn't map an easy, again. I just said that in my opinion I shouldn't but I wasn't quite sure.
I just wanted feedback and opinions...
So yep, gonna do it.
Please stop it now, and thanks to everyone who gave their 2 cents.
Oh and...
I never said I wouldn't map an easy, again. I just said that in my opinion I shouldn't but I wasn't quite sure.
I just wanted feedback and opinions...
So yep, gonna do it.
Please stop it now, and thanks to everyone who gave their 2 cents.
Oh and...
I think you are confused, Stefan =/= Snepif... I didn't bring anything :cLoctav wrote:
And don't bring other maps to justify your own.
all this drama for morde, the master of metal, i dont even.
Topic Starter
>7 - 17
>win
GET CARRIED
omg and 3-21 ziggs and win :l
>win
GET CARRIED
omg and 3-21 ziggs and win :l
7/17/5 as Mordekaiser? That's disgraceful. The master of metal shall remain dissapointed of you.
Taciturne
Mercurial wrote:
Good bye, teemo.
Because the Song needs so 'badly' easier Diffs.. sure. <_<