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Taiko World Cup #3 (Concluded - Taiwan wins)

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Kuro

MMzz wrote:

totoco wrote:

I just wonder: will all the maps be like Chaosmaid from last year tournament, or there'll be some easier maps for first rounds?
The maps will get increasingly harder every round, past the difficulty of chaosmaid. Seeing as chaosmaid isn't hard at all.
inb4 Anime trans - Hommarju feat. mamiko [mineriko1027`Taiko]

f**k yeah 8-)
totoco

Kuro wrote:

inb4 Anime trans - Hommarju feat. mamiko [mineriko1027`Taiko]

f**k yeah 8-)
lol, (offtop: i'm in love with the girl who cosplayed Lamdadelta... she has crazy smile... and she blocked me yesterday, game will be painfull :D)
also, looks scary to me :D

===edit===

WHYYOUWANNAKILLME?

even on auto it's unbeatable :D
OzzyOzrock
play every song with flashlight

true skill
AnFace

MMzz wrote:

Even if we told you at sign ups you would complain, that's why we waited.
Get over it or don't play. You obviously don't understand pro tier gameplay in taiko.
This is really upsetting. A lot of people are in this for fun and the opportunity to play in a team with friends against other taiko players (pro or not.) But the vibes I'm getting from these posts is that if you aren't a pro then you shouldn't be in this. I understand that there are teams coming into this to try to win, but taiko (and osu as a whole) is just a game. People are taking this a bit too seriously

This has nothing to do with mods
Topic Starter
Loctav
This is the official World Cup of this game. What do you expect?
AnFace

Loctav wrote:

This is the official World Cup of this game. What do you expect?
Definition of GAME
1
a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement


Maybe some fun for everyone involved
OnosakiHito
I'm getting more and more PM's from people because of the TWC, so I will give here an answer to calm the situation a bit down, if possible.

To be honest, I have mentioned this mod-selection one year ago and talked about it with Loctav.
And I need to admit that I support the use of these mods, but just if there is a small number of it. That means you would have a higher possibility for choosing normal maps instead maps with mods. This would mean you are able to stick to a smaller number of mod-maps and specialize yourself for one of them. It would support the view of a strategy way as MMzz mentioned and makes your decision easier if you are gonna go to use them or not as Loctav said(because of the lower amount).

It is really a pitty that it got announced that late, but maybe some of you understand the current situation after my post and I hope you are a bit more statisfied about it right now. Further things will be discussed by the staff and changes -if needed- announced this time soon enough(even though just some days are left).
AnFace
Mods are not the issue right now.

You guys need to realize that not everyone is in here to win. People going around saying "you aren't good enough to play in here" is really an awful thing
Topic Starter
Loctav
Okay, let me clarify some things about modselection.
First: You are never forced to play a match with at least 1 mod. The mappool is designed in a size, that every match can be completely played without the useage of ANY mod.
Also, keep in mind, that not every team is capable of playing every mod. But yet, every team can select a mod only ONCE. This means, that if Team A is good at HD, they can use this advantage only ONCE in the entire match. If they have luck and can also win on HR, they can pick it. But if they are unfortune, the opponent is good at HR and they suck, so it's the opponent's advantage. Also it's very rare that an entire team is good at a specific mod. Usually it's only 1 or 2 of them. And in most cases, the opponent can provide also a player that is doing on this mod good, as well. But the rest of BOTH teams could perform poor, so picking a mod, even if 1 of your team is excellent in it, can be the wrong choice.
If your own team is uncomfortable with mods, don't select them. Be aware that most mod-players can only play excellent WITH their mod, not WITHOUT. From my side, it's very hard for me to FC maps without HardRock, with HardRock it's easy-peasy. For OnosakiHito, it's the same with HD.
So also remember, that if the opponent is only good at mods, and sucks without it, you can still win if you simply pick the nomod picks (which are as difficult in their own shape).

This is strategy. Just because you can't play a certain mod, that doesnt mean that you autolose. It has been seen in the OWC, that most matches had very low mod-selection - and I expect even more on TWC.

Yet keeping mods out makes many of our current participants being unable to reveal their true strengthes (especially they perform way more bad without their favorite mod) - so it's excluding them (I didnt participate on last TWC because I simply can't play without HardRock, and same goes for the majority of the HR/HD players).

Sure this tournament is for you, for having fun. But this is also a World Cup, not a random multiplayer. We give out physical prizes, we stream it to a huge audience, this is the biggest thing happening in Taiko no Tatsujin.
If you want to play like you want, I can understand that. No one wants to exclude you. But sure the main target of this tournament is to please the highest of the highest ot match up and battle for the crown. This can be enjoyable and many people do so. But if you feel you don't fit into this, you have mistaken the purpose of a "World Cup" then.

Unlocking this.

Edit: And yes, I am sorry that the announcement came so late and unexpected. We actually discussed this a lot and came to the conclusion that this might be the best. Also the "system" behind it (as explained above) tries to aim for pleasing everyone. That's why we use it. It's not about raising the difficulty. It's about giving this thing a variety layeer.
OzzyOzrock
lol we're all shit at taiko that's final
Backfire

OzzyOzrock wrote:

lol we're all shit at taiko that's final
gg US A.
lepidopodus
lol, at least I never said about mods neither PM and posts so don't blame me.

Edit: oh god, why 'reject PMs' setting does not work well with mass-PM. Whatever.
AnFace
KRZY
I gave much shit to these guys during the beginning stages of owc. I thought they had no idea what they were doing, and everything they did seemed nonsensical and making things worse than they were. However, after a long discussion with Loctav before the third group stage match, I decided that, no matter how I didn't like their decisions, I must go with them because the staff sees things from every aspect, not only from the player's. And then, throughout the rest of the tournament, I did not have to complain once more because for us at least the tournament went smoothly and without problem.

I think you guys should trust the staff and give them a chance. They may make strange-sounding decisions and they may present it with worse wording. However, they aren't the assholes they might seem to be at first, and at least they have an idea of how they want to do it--and it works, however nonsensical it may look at first.

To players: If you do have problems with their decisions, please ask them privately why their decision was so in a civilized manner. They have good reasons for every decision they make, and they can explain in detail through forum PM. It's when people let emotional bursts out on public forums that things get out of hand.
mliencheng
Mods give more fun to the game, i'm just disappointed why this is announced after the limit date of roster change
HashishKabob
I personally feel mods is a good way to balance the imbalance inside teams (not all teams have players of exactly the same skill level). Plus it adds an interesting dynamic to strategies for song/map selections.

On the same token, a lot of players do not do well with any sort of mod, thus at a disadvantage.

But there are many skill sets an individual can posses for taiko. Some are 1/6th burst+stream masters, some are good with certain mods, some have incredible accuracy or stamina or speed. This diversity of skills is what truly makes a taiko player good. You must be well rounded as a player to be considered the taiko world champion(s). Team diversity and communication is what will win this competition. Not just speed and good reading.

I wish you all the best of luck to this years competition.
OzzyOzrock
maybe i said this

i didn't

but we should have all teams use FL + HD + HR + DT + SD for every match to make it fair
[TaikoTori]
Sigh. Nobody is forcing you to play in the TWC. There are Modpicks, k, and now? Just play. Its not like you will die if you don't win or something xD

Oh, and AnFace, you are contradicting yourself, first saying everyone here wants to win and later mentioning that it is a tournament for fun :P

This Tournament is there to see who really is the best, so i don't see a problem with anything here.

Its not like you can't make a tournament yourself and invite other players to it. The whole year.

Just have fun, its a game, nothing more (:
OnosakiHito

lepidopodus wrote:

Edit: oh god, why 'reject PMs' setting does not work well with mass-PM. Whatever.
Hahaha, I can feel this words.

Anyway, I think it's okay for now guys. As KRZY said, just PM the staff if you have questions or problems.
We will answer you for sure.

So maybe let's start a bit easier with a picture most people know from the TWC 1# and 2#:


As Nashmun say: ,,The anti-disturbing-paper", or so. I have used in the past when I was a praticipant as well!
It did really help me to be less nervours in the tournament. hehe
Cyclohexane
Oh my god the nuclear signs, the rotation isn't exactly 120° why
Yowane _ Haku
back to the osutaiko!
特訓ダ!特訓!
totoco

OnosakiHito wrote:

lepidopodus wrote:

Edit: oh god, why 'reject PMs' setting does not work well with mass-PM. Whatever.
Hahaha, I can feel this words.

Anyway, I think it's okay for now guys. As KRZY said, just PM the staff if you have questions or problems.
We will answer you for sure.

So maybe let's start a bit easier with a picture most people know from the TWC 1# and 2#:


As Nashmun say: ,,The anti-disturbing-paper", or so. I have used in the past when I was a praticipant as well!
It did really help me to be less nervours in the tournament. hehe
Nice "screen"
looks like all LCDs have such "feature"
asgardv

OnosakiHito wrote:

K looks :p
HashishKabob
I don't get it. O.o
Kuro

OnosakiHito wrote:

I want my own "anti-disturbing paper" too o/

HashishKabob wrote:

I don't get it. O.o
Get what? totoco's joke or the paper?
HashishKabob
both
Kuro

HashishKabob wrote:

both
lol, totoco is trying to downplay sarcasm
The "anti-disturbing paper" is humorous within itself
[Luanny]
i'm confused.
also, I can't wait for the mappools ;___;
Niko-nyan

[Luanny] wrote:

i'm confused.
also, I can't wait for the mappools ;___;
HashishKabob
You can turn off spectator viewer (where you see who's speccing you) in options now.

Damn I kinda want one of those. I tend to monitor my acc a lot when playing.
HeatKai
Ono,make one for every participant please =w=
Backfire

HashishKabob wrote:

You can turn off spectator viewer (where you see who's speccing you) in options now.

Damn I kinda want one of those. I tend to monitor my acc a lot when playing.
I will create one for us. It will be the most patriotic shit of all time. I'm talking crying bald eagles, assault rifles, the american flag, gay porn and fried chicken.

US A BESTT NA OAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAO
Matsushita_old
Official stream where you can learn?
Touche
So... where is the mappool >:(
LZD

T o u c h e wrote:

So... where is the mappool >:(
Release of first mappool/schedule: 27 Jan

Just wait orz
Touche

LZD wrote:

T o u c h e wrote:

So... where is the mappool >:(
Release of first mappool/schedule: 27 Jan

Just wait orz
But in Germany are 02:45 >:
Xakyrie
Mappool will be released sometime on January 27th, 2013. It's still only the 25th - 26th, haha.
Topic Starter
Loctav

T o u c h e wrote:

LZD wrote:

Release of first mappool/schedule: 27 Jan

Just wait orz
But in Germany are 02:45 >:
Yeh, 26th Jan, 3am.
MMzz
I will release it when I wake up that morning in my first post.
Niko-nyan
o3o and the pic of map pool so cute (nice Loctav)
HashishKabob

Backfire wrote:

HashishKabob wrote:

You can turn off spectator viewer (where you see who's speccing you) in options now.

Damn I kinda want one of those. I tend to monitor my acc a lot when playing.
I will create one for us. It will be the most patriotic shit of all time. I'm talking crying bald eagles, assault rifles, the american flag, gay porn and fried chicken.

US A BESTT NA OAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAO
lol wut
yoyo
chinese new year ;w;
Topic Starter
Loctav
Added match schedule and stream channel. Will be finished till tomorrow.
BrokenArrow
Happy to see that our first match is going to be against the strongest opponent of the group. Therefore everything will become easier after the upcoming match. :D
MMzz
map-pool 1-1 is out!
OnosakiHito
Hope you guys like the first mappool!
Kuro


Oh my... :o
Topic Starter
Loctav
weird, link is still working for me? o_o
[Luanny]

same here o_O
Niko-nyan
^same
Topic Starter
Loctav
temp-removed link. Will find a way to fix it later.
karterfreak
Big and Busty
I think picking HD mod should automatically withdraw your team from winning Special Prize :D
totoco

MMzz wrote:

Mappool Stage 1-1


(Free selection)

Comp - Kyoai (karenying) [Kana's Taiko Oni]
Suzaku - VANESSA (La Cataline) [lepidon! Taiko Oni]
ALiCE’S EMOTION - Mami Mami Zone (Mixagji) [Ono's Taiko Oni]
Ryu* - Starmine (pop'n mixxx) (Sushi) [Taiko Oni]
L.E.D. - THE LAST STRIKER (Nakagawa-Kanon) [inaba's Taiko Oni]
HOUJIROU - Maihime ~buki~ (Sandpig) [Alace's Taiko]
Nico Nico Douga - Owens (AngelHoney) [Climbb's Taiko Oni]
kors k - smooooch (Card N'FoRcE) [Natteke's Taiko Oni]


(One map per team)

Hatsune Miku - Nightmare Party Night (banvi) [Ono's Taiko Oni]
Ryu* - bloomin’ feeling (Nakagawa-Kanon) [Nyan's Taiko Oni]


(One map per team)

naotyu - Her Majesty (Reisen Udongein) [MM's Taiko]
Hatsune Miku - Love-colored Ward (Krisom) [lepidon! Taiko Oni]


(One map per team)

Madeon - Shuriken (Charles445) [MM's Taiko]
Hatsune Miku - Electric Love (Short Ver.) (KayeSara) [aabc's Taiko]


(In case of a tie)

Demetori - Silent Voyage to Eternity (brikel) [31's Taiko]

Mappack 1-1 Mirror (by Tasha)
I hope, tournament maps are unranked :D
karterfreak
You really didn't need to quote all of that...

anyways... to answer your question(?), all of the maps from this round are ranked maps.
MYRKUL
TWC R1-1 Map pool

DepositFiles is so slow for me :C, so here's a MEGA link :D
Flanster
Same here.
Adding a MediaFire link in the mappool post.

I've made an SFX Archive. Click Browse and select your Songs folder, then click Install, once its done press F5 in osu! and all done!

Edit: http://www.mediafire.com/?33d6hg8kdydry6d
Touche
Let's practice it! GG
HashishKabob
this should be interesting
Dooms
Go USA A and B :'D! Win it for us c:
AnFace

Dooms wrote:

Go USA A and B :'D! Win it for us c:
Makar
Good luck Canada!
Haruka_old

Makar wrote:

Good luck Canada!
Samwais


Go Finland ;w;
abrian
Good luck UK team!!
oh wait there is no UK team, thats a shame...
HashishKabob
Noraway
QHideaki13

HashishKabob wrote:

Noraway
Except for Malta and Serbia-Montenegro... :P
Cyclohexane
korway #1
Xakyrie
Is anyone interested in being a commentator for the tournament? There's permanent spots open for now since we're really at a lack of them, and guests if you only want to comment on certain matches. If I actually get enough people wanting to guest commentate, it might eliminate the need for another permanent member!

Anyways if you want to, message me in-game since I need to put it in the schedule asap. If I'm not on, just forum PM me then. Please make sure you speak generally good English and have good mic quality. More information will be given upon contact.

I hope to see some messages in the next 36 hours or so!
Niko-nyan

HashishKabob wrote:

Noraway
oh lol
MMzz

Xakyrie wrote:

Is anyone interested in being a commentator for the tournament? There's permanent spots open for now since we're really at a lack of them, and guests if you only want to comment on certain matches. If I actually get enough people wanting to guest commentate, it might eliminate the need for another permanent member!

Anyways if you want to, message me in-game since I need to put it in the schedule asap. If I'm not on, just forum PM me then. Please make sure you speak generally good English and have good mic quality. More information will be given upon contact.

I hope to see some messages in the next 36 hours or so!
Yeah don't leave me all alone with Mr Color guys. :(
Yuzeyun
I could eventually try to but idk really lol
Touche
Tomorrow aaaa i'm nervious
DarkStoorM
Nice date. What if we have only 2 players now?

[edit]No, we don't have anyone that we can message right now to play with us.
Haruka_old
Nice date? The schedule has been up for days and notices were sent out approximately 3 days ago to all captains about their scheduled match time with the exception of a few select match ups that does not include your own. Your captain had a sufficient opportunity to provide us with ideal times in which your team could play at, yet failed to do so. All consequences are outlined not only in the rules, but a message sent to all captains quoted the consequences as a reminder. If your team only has 2 players available, please read rule #13 under tournament rules in the OP. No team roster changes are allowed and no exceptions will be made.

Let this serve as an example for the other teams why it is absolutely imperative to send in their times on time and also to read the damn rules.
DarkStoorM
I don't mind, to be honest and I don't care too. I was just asking and found out that thing, but too lazy to edit again.
It's not that important to me, so... you know. I don't have to play o:
And I won't. Good luck to everyone
C:

eot
BrokenArrow
GG Poland, at least you tried! o/
..oh wait.
abrian
just wondering if i dont have time to watchh TWC live, will i be able to watch it later? any recording?
BrokenArrow
Yes, livestreams will be recorded like every year.
totoco
GLHF Everyone :D
Cyclohexane

abrian159 wrote:

just wondering if i dont have time to watchh TWC live, will i be able to watch it later? any recording?
As BrokenArrow said, yes. All the streams of the matches will be available as well as the mp links for every match and the results disclosed.

Tune in in 8 hours 30 minutes for the opening match of this tournament, Poland - Chile!
Hope to see you all there!
HashishKabob

Mr Color wrote:

Tune in in 8 hours 30 minutes for the opening match of this tournament, Poland - Chile!
Hope to see you all there!
I'm just hoping to see ANYONE there at this point. >.>
karterfreak
I'll be managing a twitter for TWC @ https://twitter.com/TWC2013. Make sure to follow for the most TWC coverage possible.
Acrith
Guys.

As the captain of Poland team, I would like to play 2v2 with Chile A. Reason is simple - we lost contact with one of our members since... week? Maybe even longer, and we can't do anything in this case (Nekoyan). Of course, I talked about it with captain of Chile A team, and he agreed.

Also, I would like to add a backup asap, and if it's possible, to solve problems like this with my team. I didn't expect I would need a backup, but sometimes things going out of control. I guess it's also my fault.

With regards.

proof: http://puu.sh/1VUqH
Touche

Acrith wrote:

Guys.

As the captain of Poland team, I would like to play 2v2 with Chile A. Reason is simple - we lost contact with one of our members since... week? Maybe even longer, and we can't do anything in this case (Nekoyan). Of course, I talked about it with captain of Chile A team, and he agreed.

Also, I would like to add a backup asap, and if it's possible, to solve problems like this with my team. I didn't expect I would need a backup, but sometimes things going out of control. I guess it's also my fault.

With regards.

proof: http://puu.sh/1VUqH
Accepting this, I can play a 2v2 with Poland if you accept, staff. This is because we (Chile) can't play tomorrow and Sunday :s
Haruka_old
Well no postponements will be made anyway, lol. 2 vs 2 between Poland and Chile A will be allowed.

As for the roster change Acrith, please await a response from Loctav since this is a special case.
totoco
HArd to admit that,but i'mafraid Ukraine's team will probably play 2 vs 2 match aswell (if spain's captain will accept this) :C
Met Hikkiko today and he said that he'll need to go to his hometown tomorrow.

i'll try to make something about this...
MrDonut
Well, that's a pity.
totoco

MrDonut wrote:

Well, that's a pity.
Sarcasm, huh? :D
Xakyrie

totoco wrote:

HArd to admit that,but i'mafraid Ukraine's team will probably play 2 vs 2 match aswell (if spain's captain will accept this) :C
Met Hikkiko today and he said that he'll need to go to his hometown tomorrow.

i'll try to make something about this...
These matches were set well before today, there should be no 2 vs. 2 matches and there is absolutely NO excuse at this point. All teams had their opportunity to submit times. As a captain, you should make sure your team is trustworthy enough to place the tournament on a high priority for at least the next 3 weeks and show up. Such excuses like "he has to go out of town" is unacceptable and any sort of discussion about it will be terminated. Without sufficient information to help us classify each case as special, we will just continue on as if nothing was ever brought up. All these miniscule details were given to you in my first private message to all captains so that these things could be prevented. Do not take advantage of the system that has been set up. You abuse it, you suffer the consequences.

Anyways, it seems like the first REAL match will be Canada B vs. Philippines...damn I swear, there should be consequences for teams who show up with only two members without reason.
totoco
No one knew this could happen :/
Doing my best to make him appear online at the time
-Kazu-
it sounds like
"Disqualified. Reason : Having a strict family"
:v only saying huehuehue
Touche
I'm nervous ;_;
Slih
i think, that is a game not the reallife oO
Dooms
Ahh ;_;. I have to miss the first match. Hopefully it'll be entertaining on video later! :D.
totoco
Waiting aswell. and practicing :D

no vodeo on twitch. am i the only one?...
OnosakiHito
Just wait for Loctavs/staffs decission about this 2 vs 2 case.
Also you can read following in the rules:

13. 2 vs 2 match is available only in the Group stage if no more than 3 players in one of two teams can be ready for the match.
 13-1. Captains of both teams should agree and permission of tournament manager is needed.
 13-2. The manager can disqualify a team if the team abuses 3 vs 3 match.

Good luck to the praticipants!
Touche
Let's go Chile A!
totoco

T o u c h e wrote:

Let's go Chile A!
LEEERRROOOOOOOOOYYY JEEEENKIIINNSS!!!
abrian
ggwp..
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