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30% was a guess. o-o'those wrote:
Lol 30% and not 31 or any other number cuz you did research
Its either you get caught or you dont basically.
I probably shouldve said that.
Holeeeee helll those item changes
oh god i thought i knew some builds
nope riot has to change everything :'(
support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it
mm lets hope its better than it sounds
oh god i thought i knew some builds
nope riot has to change everything :'(
support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it
mm lets hope its better than it sounds
You do realise, that support got one of the best things which could happen to them? The current support meta is just boring with 90% of the time them building hog, philo, 1st aura item, 2nd aura item and wards. Thats it.tyrael6192 wrote:
Holeeeee helll those item changes
oh god i thought i knew some builds
nope riot has to change everything :'(
support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it
mm lets hope its better than it sounds
The ward refresher item will come in very handy, the new promote item is also very viable in push strats, kage's last breath is also an amazing item because it is built out of mana manipulator letting your ad and yourself spam more spells and thus making botlane even more aggressive. Mikael's Crucible is the perfect item for a hypercarry who needs a babysitter and any support can make great plays happen now with using it wisely. Also, since the new utility mastery which gives you gold everytime you hit your enemy, ranged supports should finally have the upper hand again and we see more than the standard leona/zyra/blitz in botlane. I can't await these changes, botlane seems fun again!
Love that new champ :3
Warwick can now solo baron with just a blade of the ruined king. Haven't tried with a straight up rush and straight to baron yet though.
Japanism on EU c:
Also, Jiangshi on EU.
Also, Jiangshi on EU.
IDD I didn't particularly read into all the new items that have been created, just mostly things that have been changed significantly that are going to affect me - I mean, i don't play support generally, but I play junglers and tops where sometimes gp5 items come in so very useful and the regen from philo and blah so I was just thinking about thatnoneed wrote:
You do realise, that support got one of the best things which could happen to them? The current support meta is just boring with 90% of the time them building hog, philo, 1st aura item, 2nd aura item and wards. Thats it.tyrael6192 wrote:
Holeeeee helll those item changes
oh god i thought i knew some builds
nope riot has to change everything :'(
support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it
mm lets hope its better than it sounds
The ward refresher item will come in very handy, the new promote item is also very viable in push strats, kage's last breath is also an amazing item because it is built out of mana manipulator letting your ad and yourself spam more spells and thus making botlane even more aggressive. Mikael's Crucible is the perfect item for a hypercarry who needs a babysitter and any support can make great plays happen now with using it wisely. Also, since the new utility mastery which gives you gold everytime you hit your enemy, ranged supports should finally have the upper hand again and we see more than the standard leona/zyra/blitz in botlane. I can't await these changes, botlane seems fun again!
What do you all think about thew new champ, Zed and soon-to-be-released, Nami? (People are comparing Nami and Sona. Saying Nami a better supporter then Sona.)
o-o I wanna try Zed but I wanna hear opinions on him.
o-o I wanna try Zed but I wanna hear opinions on him.
Zed is fun. His shadow can trick enemys easily.
But he is a bit tricky to play at all. But if you get used to it it's really fun.
But he is a bit tricky to play at all. But if you get used to it it's really fun.
Geez, Sona is boring. Long live Support Fiddlesticks.Aoriki wrote:
What do you all think about thew new champ, Zed and soon-to-be-released, Nami? (People are comparing Nami and Sona. Saying Nami a better supporter then Sona.)
o-o I wanna try Zed but I wanna hear opinions on him.
i love the champions in dota
Nami, the new support is Fizz's mother (just guessing)
though, she doesn't look like a support by looking at her skillset.. more like an ap carry.
though, she doesn't look like a support by looking at her skillset.. more like an ap carry.
Almost all new "supports" became ap carrys, Lulu was ap carry though on the tournament so many teams had a Lulu as supporter, anyways. I didnt see the spotlight yet nor read the abilities so I can't say that much about it, also YES ZED is really funny, though I still need practise him more and more, and today I just bought Rengar, it is really funny for me too but beww SO NERFED, but stills doing something
Sona is also fine as AP Carry. Janna too. Soraka too. Karma too.GeeNX wrote:
Almost all new "supports" became ap carrys, Lulu was ap carry though on the tournament so many teams had a Lulu as supporter, anyways. I didnt see the spotlight yet nor read the abilities so I can't say that much about it, also YES ZED is really funny, though I still need practise him more and more, and today I just bought Rengar, it is really funny for me too but beww SO NERFED, but stills doing something
Taric and Leona are not bad junglers either. Most supports are able to do secondary roles.
I mostly enjoy playing something so ridiculously odd that still works, it fucks over the meta quite hard.
Counter meta is the new meta <o/
Counter meta is the new meta <o/
@Stefan: Okay, I accept Karma and Janna. Sona.....well it can be a bit useful but nah. But soraka, soraka no. Okay, soraka has huge damage with Q and sustain with W and so much heal with R but....she has no escape man, she is the easiest thing to gank... is the paradise of junglers.
@Vulf: Yeah, Taric and Leona are really funny as junglers I agree with you, though I prefer leona as jungler<3
@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?
@Vulf: Yeah, Taric and Leona are really funny as junglers I agree with you, though I prefer leona as jungler<3
@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?
Breaking the meta is fun. Meaning: you know what items their top & botlane will ALWAYS get since its always tank/pusher top & ad pusher + support bot.GeeNX wrote:
@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?
If you can deny one lane the entire game, it breaks open the entire meta-failing discussion.
Like making the "seemingly" perfect teamcomp & then surprise them by putting your caitlyn solo top & your botlane blitz+alistar for example.
People arent used to two tanks bot & one pusher top, it messes with their heads & they start making way more mistakes than they should.
Or playing a rammus with flash & ghost, warding their jungle before the opponents jungler even gets in position.
Just random stuff that nobody expects to break the whole "you must play this char & buy these items always in ranked" kind of games
- You have to try an odd build now & then, you never know what you come across - Like AD sona winning meleefights vs most ad rangeds Yeah it is really funny though sometimes useless, but if you know how to do some stuff like that, Moscow Five is an example, they brought the ultimate counter jungling and solo bot and.... they rock being honest
That's all good until the enemy team also breaks the meta by sending something like AD nidalee top and runs double jungle against your rammus. I play mostly nothing but premade 5's i think I've seen just about everything after a year and a half.TentacleOtaku wrote:
Breaking the meta is fun. Meaning: you know what items their top & botlane will ALWAYS get since its always tank/pusher top & ad pusher + support bot.GeeNX wrote:
@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?
If you can deny one lane the entire game, it breaks open the entire meta-failing discussion.
Like making the "seemingly" perfect teamcomp & then surprise them by putting your caitlyn solo top & your botlane blitz+alistar for example.
People arent used to two tanks bot & one pusher top, it messes with their heads & they start making way more mistakes than they should.
Or playing a rammus with flash & ghost, warding their jungle before the opponents jungler even gets in position.
Just random stuff that nobody expects to break the whole "you must play this char & buy these items always in ranked" kind of games
Taric top is the perfect counter to physical dmg champs.
Nah it is not, and its worthless on late guy. Maybe he can win at first, but in most top's builds it fits brutalizer or LW so, taric is done
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any tips how to secure kills with Twisted Fate? I have completely no clue how to do that.
in laning phase I most often end up giving it to my jungler/sb else, I just have no idea how to control that damage
last game our Maokai was legendary, he took like 3 kills from me early game and then didn't die even once the whole game .__.
wait to use your q until you can kill I guess
or mash w when he's guaranteed death
or mash w when he's guaranteed death
Throwback swag.
for the yuno's love dont play tfrEdo wrote:
any tips how to secure kills with Twisted Fate? I have completely no clue how to do that.
in laning phase I most often end up giving it to my jungler/sb else, I just have no idea how to control that damage
last game our Maokai was legendary, he took like 3 kills from me early game and then didn't die even once the whole game .__.
I really don't know how to use TF,in a really good way, but its truth that if you know play with him, it is awesome
TF is.... kinda hard to describe.
Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.
Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.
TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.
Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)
(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png
15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.
I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.
Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.
Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.
TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.
Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)
(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png
15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.
I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.
FIRST, IGNORE EZREAL? You really dont know how to play it, ezreal is the...... its so fucking godlike as AD carry, and deals tons of damage, AND TF AD, you really were talking about that? That sux oh man, twisted is god as AP, and... it is hard, I dont know how to play it well, but , his role is farm farm push push and at lv 6 gank all the time, if you dont gank with tf..... dont play it then, play other one...but tf as ap is like that
Sigh. Yet again. Guy in solo queue is first pick and picks mid. Gets countered hard, loses his lane, loses us the game.
Gosh people don't understand shit x__x
Gosh people don't understand shit x__x
TentacleOtaku wrote:
TF is.... kinda hard to describe.
Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.
Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.
TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.
Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)
(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png
15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.
I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.
Why do your words come out of your ass?
Because they're shit
I dont see why your reply was so antagonistic.noneed wrote:
Why do your words come out of your ass?
Because they're shit
TF as AP:
Pros: Stun on a short cooldown
Bonus to auto attacking helps laning phase
Long range skillshot that passes through minions without diminishing helps to harass and farm
One of the best ults in the game.
Good sustain + aided last hitting through blue card
Cons: Stun is unreliable, requiring preparation time which warns your enemy
While having good autoattack benefits and modifiers, the relatively short attack range and your inherent squishiness can prevent you staying in attack range for long
A lot of TF's AP scaling is in his auto attacks, which is subject to the afforementioned drawbacks
Similary to the previous point, his skillshot is only of a moderate speed and while high damage, isnt exactly nuke level
His ult can warn enemies before he teleports, with the few seconds of warning sometimes being enough for most people to reach safety
Overall verdict: A lot of his drawbacks are in balancing his need to be close to combat, and his squishiness keeping him from fully commiting to combat. If playing against inferior opponents his ult can catch people by surprise, his skillshot will hit most of the time, and people cant properly punish him when he goes into AA range. If against someone who can exploit his weaknesses, he can fall behind very easily, whereas other mid champions who dont have the indicators (stacked deck buff and card above your head) to show thier moves may not have such a bad time.
As far as AD is concerned, his has very little AD scaling but pick a card and stacked deck help with his damage, and give him diversified damage, compared to other AD champions deal primarily physical damage. I dont know for certain, but i would say that AP TF likely has similar damage output compared to AD tf, but allows him a little more security as with AP you can poke with wildcards and actually deal damage.
All in all, i find his weaknesses to be too much for me to overlook his strengths, but as others have said, in the right hands he can be godlike, though i think in part it depends on his teammates also.
Why do your words come out of your ass?How nice to see that Osu has such a mature community
Because they're shit
Please, tell me more of your wise words, oh great TF playing master......?
Oh wait, I forgot - I'm asking for maturity in a LoL topic, that's impossible on any forum.
People like you is why they invented the Tribunal.
Yeah lol.. Pretty ridiculous tbh
Firstly, as far as your tribunal concern goes, I can tell you that I haven't been banned once, nor warned. So, no, I have never ever been in contact with the tribunal. Alone the fact that you're bringing it up seems ridiculous since it is such a flawed and stupid system, when people get banned left and right for aram/arab games because the community likes their +50ip or whatever they give out.TentacleOtaku wrote:
How nice to see that Osu has such a mature community
Please, tell me more of your wise words, oh great TF playing master......?
Oh wait, I forgot - I'm asking for maturity in a LoL topic, that's impossible on any forum.
People like you is why they invented the Tribunal.
Secondly, I apologize for my poor choice of words, but you writing a little miny story there about Twisted Fate and reasoning it with fucking Dominion games is just leaving me in stitches, lol. I think it's your ignorance, as the fresh beginner I suppose you are, that you think you know how to actually play a champion.
I would have got rid of all these insulting posts if they didn't contain a bit of interesting material (like Cyrith's). This isn't the LoL community, so refrain from attacking each other at every single occasion.
Don't do that again. Thanks.
Don't do that again. Thanks.
I'm sorry, I won't.Shiro wrote:
I would have got rid of all these insulting posts if they didn't contain a bit of interesting material (like Cyrith's). This isn't the LoL community, so refrain from attacking each other at every single occasion.
Don't do that again. Thanks.
And since I already came off as an arogant asshole, I should probably add my thoughts on TF.
He will be a pretty strong pick again in S3 because DFG is getting a huge buff again. Right now in his current state he is A-Tier midlaner since DFG got nerfed and heavy engage teamcomps are becoming more and more the thing to go so your splitpush or poke won't be as useful for your team as you might think. His laning phase is pretty easy, max q, push your wave, take the wraiths with a simple red card/wild cards combo and rush to your level 6 so you can start putting pressure on other lanes. Mana shouldn't be a problem either because of his blue card. Easiest ganks to pull off is by simply keeping an eye on your own jungler and turning that 2v1/3v2 into a 3v1/4v2 and securing easy kills.
For build I'd highly recommend the standard 1-2 Doran's, Deathcap and Lichbane and from there on situational. Though you can easily rush Athene's Unholy Grail if the enemy midlaner is some kind of heavy ap nuker.
R>Q>W>E, 21/0/9 or 9/0/21 masteries.
Twisted Fate is easily one of the strongest solo queue champs since he can easily push the advantage you have onto your team by his lvl 6 ganks.
Yeah, he is indeed a solo queue wrecker if played well.
Oh, and nice sig btw ^.^
Oh, and nice sig btw ^.^
Wow guys...this is a thread for discuss about LoL, there will be better and worse players...just share your opinions, builds, games ideas.... etc some people can try to help or you to help others but..wow, I always take this as serious thread
ANYWAYS.
What do you guys think of the upcoming champ, Nami?
What do you guys think of the upcoming champ, Nami?
Had a little fight against ShadowSoul since he wanted one..
Yeah, my Pick was obviously bad, but at least I could find out that the hates Fiddle and trolled him at the end. xDD
Yeah, my Pick was obviously bad, but at least I could find out that the hates Fiddle and trolled him at the end. xDD
I liked her, she's interesting. I see her more as a carry than a support though. She's quite pleasant to play, honestly. Her Q has insane crowd control but has a delay before hitting, which makes it avoidable. The bouncing W is a good idea, it forces the player to take risks to maximize the effect. Her E is pretty much useless though.FluKerr wrote:
ANYWAYS.
What do you guys think of the upcoming champ, Nami?
Oh, her ult is sexy.
Im excited to see how her chain heal will work out. Support is arguably my favourite role, with ap mid being my second favourite, so a champion that can do both is nice. That being said, shes likely going to be a stronger carry than support, as from what im seeing, support choices are more tanky with good cc, over the typical squishy mage healer support (not to say that it isnt viable, just im often asked to take say, leona or alistar over sona/janna/soraka). Though since I havent actually played her yet ill withhold judgement and just be silently content that there is finally a new support being released.
lol, ap tf bad? ez bad?TentacleOtaku wrote:
TF is.... kinda hard to describe.
Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.
Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.
TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.
Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)
(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png
15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.
I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.
AP TF and Ez are solo queue hard carries
TF can make every lane snowball, a good ez won't care if his support is trash
Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to supportCyrith wrote:
Im excited to see how her chain heal will work out. Support is arguably my favourite role, with ap mid being my second favourite, so a champion that can do both is nice. That being said, shes likely going to be a stronger carry than support, as from what im seeing, support choices are more tanky with good cc, over the typical squishy mage healer support (not to say that it isnt viable, just im often asked to take say, leona or alistar over sona/janna/soraka). Though since I havent actually played her yet ill withhold judgement and just be silently content that there is finally a new support being released.
Yes, as you said, now tther more..viable supp no, the more used, and I think, more worthful ones atm are tanky ones like nunu leona alistar taric, soraka janna lulu are good too,though that tanky stat on low mid elo decide so much in the game
Yeah.. They should do something about that :l
sweeet C:
Of course, there is no 1 best pick after all. It was more, in general ive noticed im asked to play tanky support over squishy support. Personally I prefer squishy support, but thats mostly a force of habit.FluKerr wrote:
Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to support
Ah okay, could you explain why you'd take a squishy support over a tanky one? Really curious >:DCyrith wrote:
Of course, there is no 1 best pick after all. It was more, in general ive noticed im asked to play tanky support over squishy support. Personally I prefer squishy support, but thats mostly a force of habit.FluKerr wrote:
Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to support
well tanky supports rely on cc and being in the middle of the action, preferring damage prevention through cc, and requiring tanking damage with low items due to 0cs, which is walking a fine line between life and death. squishy supports tend to focus more on restoration, and help smooth out a carries mistakes, rather than allow your carry to molopolise on thiers, which helps when playing with lower skilled players and solo queue. also squishy supports tend to have more poke, and i quite like the whole poking minigame in lane, stops me from dying from boredom. that and, as i previously said, force of habit from sona being my main for around 3 months back at her release. :p
Ah, okay, pretty cool :] I just like tanky CC champs because they allow you to play agressively. Nothing is cooler than fast paced fights on bot lane!
I like sona's insane poke on her passive. You hit thier support with it every time, forcing them to waste mana on themselves, or keep it for thier carry. Then level 6 happens and if they didnt leave (hint: they dont) free kill and gold for your carry. Push thier carry back to the turret, stealth recall in the bush, rinse, and repeat. Very funny strategy with an ashe laning with you. Double stuns 
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.Yeah okay, that's real fun yeah, true x3Cyrith wrote:
I like sona's insane poke on her passive. You hit thier support with it every time, forcing them to waste mana on themselves, or keep it for thier carry. Then level 6 happens and if they didnt leave (hint: they dont) free kill and gold for your carry. Push thier carry back to the turret, stealth recall in the bush, rinse, and repeat. Very funny strategy with an ashe laning with you. Double stuns
But I can't really imagine a Sona + random ADc winning from a Leona + random ADc..
I haven't played bot lane in ages though.. I should do it again (with your Sona tactics)!
EDIT: Sona vs leona with random adcs. If the randoms are bad, leona will be throwing herself into the range of sona and the adc, with her own adc not being able to react to the oppertunity fast enough, and sona will win. if the adc is good, the slightest mistake can be exploted by both leona and more importantly, the adc, leading to leona's win. I would also say sona will out-trade leona every time due to the superior passive (leona relies on her team-mates to trigger it), and better poke. As i mentioned in a previous post: supports like sona help fix a bad adc's mistakes, and supports like leona help setup harass and kills for a good adc (with a bad adc missing the created oppertunities most of the time).
True, Leona's zenith blade is exceptionally harsh, but limited in a few ways: firstly it passes through and damages minions, so if you put low hp minions between yourself and her, she wont jump otherwise she will end up stealing cs, at the very least, it will discourage her. Secondly her full damage potential is very mana heavy, and bursting a full shield bash + eclipse + zenith when she would potentially miss isnt always the best choice, which means she is limited heavily in terms of sustainability, forcing her to only cc and be able to kind of sustain, at the cost of likely not securing kills, or going all out, and burning herself out. Thirdly, a last-ditch method so to speak, is to allow yourself to be pushed near to the turret bu not last hitting so thier minions push forward, then keeping the minions at around x | x instead of x | x where x's are the towers, so your tower doesnt deal, and to last hit they have to over-extend, it also means if leona jumps, she'll likely be in tower range, and will lose the exchange.
On a slightly related note, ever seen a leona kill-lane? its rather effective if you feel you can snowball early game and put so much pressure onto every lane that not having a support and adc doesnt even matter.
On a slightly unrelated note: I once took sona because my team didnt realise that i was going to take support sona despite saying i was for 60 seconds in the champ select (normal mode). AP mid sona -> this happened. They went from calling me a noob and /all report noob sona, to 'omg this sona is pro'. I quite rightly told them to f*ck off. 
Also, if you want some fun, try this evelynn build in dominion. boots1 + ruby crystal + amp tome -> haunting guize -> pen boots -> blackfire torch -> rylais -> abyssal then if the game lasts further you can go situational like lichbane, wooglets (no rabas in domi
), etc etc. max r>q>w>e. just kite people with hatespike, with blackfire torch ticking 1.7% of thier max hp per second and around 260 base damage on hatespike. If you get low ult them for epic shield. exhaust and ghost are the best summoner spells for this. Though using heal can be funny when you ult them and heal and reverse an entire fight.
True, Leona's zenith blade is exceptionally harsh, but limited in a few ways: firstly it passes through and damages minions, so if you put low hp minions between yourself and her, she wont jump otherwise she will end up stealing cs, at the very least, it will discourage her. Secondly her full damage potential is very mana heavy, and bursting a full shield bash + eclipse + zenith when she would potentially miss isnt always the best choice, which means she is limited heavily in terms of sustainability, forcing her to only cc and be able to kind of sustain, at the cost of likely not securing kills, or going all out, and burning herself out. Thirdly, a last-ditch method so to speak, is to allow yourself to be pushed near to the turret bu not last hitting so thier minions push forward, then keeping the minions at around x | x instead of x | x where x's are the towers, so your tower doesnt deal, and to last hit they have to over-extend, it also means if leona jumps, she'll likely be in tower range, and will lose the exchange.
On a slightly related note, ever seen a leona kill-lane? its rather effective if you feel you can snowball early game and put so much pressure onto every lane that not having a support and adc doesnt even matter.
On a slightly unrelated note: I once took sona because my team didnt realise that i was going to take support sona despite saying i was for 60 seconds in the champ select (normal mode). AP mid sona -> this happened. They went from calling me a noob and /all report noob sona, to 'omg this sona is pro'. I quite rightly told them to f*ck off
. Also, if you want some fun, try this evelynn build in dominion. boots1 + ruby crystal + amp tome -> haunting guize -> pen boots -> blackfire torch -> rylais -> abyssal then if the game lasts further you can go situational like lichbane, wooglets (no rabas in domi
), etc etc. max r>q>w>e. just kite people with hatespike, with blackfire torch ticking 1.7% of thier max hp per second and around 260 base damage on hatespike. If you get low ult them for epic shield. exhaust and ghost are the best summoner spells for this. Though using heal can be funny when you ult them and heal and reverse an entire fight.whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD
mid is totally where its at
mid is totally where its at
I do like mid. Ive just always played a supporting role, when i used to play wow, i was only ever a healer, i sometimes tanked and dps'ed, and i could do it, but i liked healing the most. My favourite ap mid is ahri, though i used to play anivia around 2 years back, im tempted to pick her up again. Cait is my favourite adc, her range helps her farm in safety and harass with almost no fear of retalliation, and her ult is great at picking people off, not to mention her net being great at both escaping and positioning. Irelia is probably my favourite solo top with her great sustain. Jungle however... im ashamed to say i cant jungle at all. I just cant get the feel of it right. I feel like i should learn how to do it, but i dont want to drag people down in games while im learning. I could make a new account for it, but jungling with no runes and masteries = little sustain and survability so you have little margin for ganks.
New topic (maybe xD) : help this scrub (me) with jungling with tips for noobs, and tricks you learned with those sudden realisations which made everything better.
New topic (maybe xD) : help this scrub (me) with jungling with tips for noobs, and tricks you learned with those sudden realisations which made everything better.
as for my roles ill play
top: riven, irelia, jayce, FIORA, and similar champions
ADC: i can only play sivir and ezreal
jungle: nocturn
support: janna
mid: any champion in the game i could lane mid with (yes all 100+ of them)
as for jungle help, my worst roles are jugler/support. My neighbor plays in the jungle as his main role and he's pretty sick so if u have any specific questions you want to ask i'll run them by him
top: riven, irelia, jayce, FIORA, and similar champions
ADC: i can only play sivir and ezreal
jungle: nocturn
support: janna
mid: any champion in the game i could lane mid with (yes all 100+ of them)
as for jungle help, my worst roles are jugler/support. My neighbor plays in the jungle as his main role and he's pretty sick so if u have any specific questions you want to ask i'll run them by him
How can you suck at support in LoL? It's so easy... Most boring shit ever though.KingFloyd wrote:
whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD
mid is totally where its at
yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:
How can you suck at support in LoL? It's so easy... Most boring shit ever though.KingFloyd wrote:
whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD
mid is totally where its at
you can be bad at support, like i know ONE of the MANY reasons im bad at supporting is that no matter who i am i play SUPER AGRO FIRST BLOOD MODE.
cause thats the fun way to play
Certain support adc combinations are suitable for agressively seeking first blood. for example taric's stun plus ashe's perma slow can be quite effective, my afforementioned sona poke method can be nice with say, caits traps to set it up and hold them for a piltover. Its mostly knowing exacly what you can and cant do, and playing in a self-sacrifical manner, without being overzealous and needlessly sacrificing yourself.
As for jungling: I often find when i go to gank, they often fail (inexperience and the laners not being able to take advantage of the gank, or not wishing to due to my own likely bad timing), failed ganks can make me fall massively behind in the jungle as i sometimes will have to recall as my hp is too low, if i dont gank, the advantage of a jungler is lost, but if i do gank, i often mess up my own jungle path and get a bit lost, and i have this really weak moment around level 4-7 where my ganks cause me to fall behind: is this natural, or my own fault, and what can i do to smoothen out those issues.
Another problem i have is that i both a: dont know how to counter jungle, and b: am not very confident in my own jungle so very suseptable to being counterjungled. If i bought wards i could help both those points, but the amount of wards i would need in order to keep my own security and threaten thier jungler likely isnt worth the cost, unless im miscalculating it. So to deal with counterjungling, both doing it myself, and defending against attempts on me, what should i do?
Im assuming that the solution to the counter jungling problem is to heavily ward thier jungle at the difficult points, such as red and blue, and moving in to kill them towards the end of the fight so i have the buff helping me, and if they have to escape, i get the buff for free, and if they fail to escape, i get gold. That type of super agressive play isnt something im used to, and could probably fail horrible and id embarrass myself to both teams: I wouldnt mind this but i dont want to be flamed for an entire game for trying to do something that is technically right. However if i do take that method, what would be the best choice for a heavily aggressive low level jungler, building purely to seek and destroy thier jungler, if there are different choices, what are the pros and cons of each one.
And as well as all that, just general tips for jungling, and working and communicating with your team as a jungler, which is arguably one of the most important things a jungler needs (not to say communication isnt a vital role for anyone, just moreso for a jungler).
As for jungling: I often find when i go to gank, they often fail (inexperience and the laners not being able to take advantage of the gank, or not wishing to due to my own likely bad timing), failed ganks can make me fall massively behind in the jungle as i sometimes will have to recall as my hp is too low, if i dont gank, the advantage of a jungler is lost, but if i do gank, i often mess up my own jungle path and get a bit lost, and i have this really weak moment around level 4-7 where my ganks cause me to fall behind: is this natural, or my own fault, and what can i do to smoothen out those issues.
Another problem i have is that i both a: dont know how to counter jungle, and b: am not very confident in my own jungle so very suseptable to being counterjungled. If i bought wards i could help both those points, but the amount of wards i would need in order to keep my own security and threaten thier jungler likely isnt worth the cost, unless im miscalculating it. So to deal with counterjungling, both doing it myself, and defending against attempts on me, what should i do?
Im assuming that the solution to the counter jungling problem is to heavily ward thier jungle at the difficult points, such as red and blue, and moving in to kill them towards the end of the fight so i have the buff helping me, and if they have to escape, i get the buff for free, and if they fail to escape, i get gold. That type of super agressive play isnt something im used to, and could probably fail horrible and id embarrass myself to both teams: I wouldnt mind this but i dont want to be flamed for an entire game for trying to do something that is technically right. However if i do take that method, what would be the best choice for a heavily aggressive low level jungler, building purely to seek and destroy thier jungler, if there are different choices, what are the pros and cons of each one.
And as well as all that, just general tips for jungling, and working and communicating with your team as a jungler, which is arguably one of the most important things a jungler needs (not to say communication isnt a vital role for anyone, just moreso for a jungler).
Well to begin a very large amount of how you will run your jungle depends on who you chose to play.
for example. I use to main as Fiora jungle (an single target, assassin type jungler) when i played her i played very very aggressively, like i would use...
move speed quints
AD reds
Armor yellows
MR blues
I would start with Boots + 3 HP pots and take a point in my W first (passive damage and a parry) take both buffs as fast as possible (blue first then red)
Now as far as the early game is concerned Fiora NEEDS that red SO BAD cause she has NO CC.
early game u want to spend as much time as u can ganking your lanes as much as possible, this is because Fiora is a very strong attacker, but still clears jungle camps very slowly
So early game ends and u make good money helping out your lanes and you managed to get wriggles lantern! ya wriggles! Now with that u can ward their jungle (preferably red side) and fiora is strong enough to counter jungle most junglers in the mid game. Dont forget to keep ganking the lanes and helping your teammates pull ahead. if all else fails and your way behind in the mid game, throw some wards in the river to maintain safety and thennnnnn its time to farm your camps.
Now late game is generally when all the teams are grouped and everybody is running all over the place so there really is no ganking or counterjungling, just play smart and play with your team.
Misc tips:
~Always try to counterpick if given the opprotunity
+ enemy picks amumu = you could pick shyvana or nocturn or even fiora
~ If you cannot counterpick or you dont own any counterpick, pick a champion that fills the same roll
+ enemy grabs skarner = you could pick warwick, they both play a tankier roll with great teamfight potential and are not completely reliant on buffs
~ The current meta is tankier jungles, keep that in mind
+ even though my whole explaination revolved around fiora she should not be considered at all a "top jungler"
+ just because this is the meta does not mean it wont work, shaco, fiora, and diana are all assassins that can jungle (i play nasty diana jungle:)) an do well
~Know the buff timers
+Blue/red = 5 minutes
+ dragon 6 minutes
+ baron 7 minutes
~learn multiple styles of ganking
+ stadard rver ganks
+ use the brush on the side of the lane
+ come from tribush if the turrets are pushed and minions are tanking damage
~If your learning how to jungling, take the kills from ganks
+ you will learn how to jungle much faster like this, once you become a good jungler you can worry about how many gp/10 your going to buy and how fed you can make a lane
might add more later idk lulz hope i helped
for example. I use to main as Fiora jungle (an single target, assassin type jungler) when i played her i played very very aggressively, like i would use...
move speed quints
AD reds
Armor yellows
MR blues
I would start with Boots + 3 HP pots and take a point in my W first (passive damage and a parry) take both buffs as fast as possible (blue first then red)
Now as far as the early game is concerned Fiora NEEDS that red SO BAD cause she has NO CC.
early game u want to spend as much time as u can ganking your lanes as much as possible, this is because Fiora is a very strong attacker, but still clears jungle camps very slowly
So early game ends and u make good money helping out your lanes and you managed to get wriggles lantern! ya wriggles! Now with that u can ward their jungle (preferably red side) and fiora is strong enough to counter jungle most junglers in the mid game. Dont forget to keep ganking the lanes and helping your teammates pull ahead. if all else fails and your way behind in the mid game, throw some wards in the river to maintain safety and thennnnnn its time to farm your camps.
Now late game is generally when all the teams are grouped and everybody is running all over the place so there really is no ganking or counterjungling, just play smart and play with your team.
Misc tips:
~Always try to counterpick if given the opprotunity
+ enemy picks amumu = you could pick shyvana or nocturn or even fiora
~ If you cannot counterpick or you dont own any counterpick, pick a champion that fills the same roll
+ enemy grabs skarner = you could pick warwick, they both play a tankier roll with great teamfight potential and are not completely reliant on buffs
~ The current meta is tankier jungles, keep that in mind
+ even though my whole explaination revolved around fiora she should not be considered at all a "top jungler"
+ just because this is the meta does not mean it wont work, shaco, fiora, and diana are all assassins that can jungle (i play nasty diana jungle:)) an do well
~Know the buff timers
+Blue/red = 5 minutes
+ dragon 6 minutes
+ baron 7 minutes
~learn multiple styles of ganking
+ stadard rver ganks
+ use the brush on the side of the lane
+ come from tribush if the turrets are pushed and minions are tanking damage
~If your learning how to jungling, take the kills from ganks
+ you will learn how to jungle much faster like this, once you become a good jungler you can worry about how many gp/10 your going to buy and how fed you can make a lane
might add more later idk lulz hope i helped
I quite like playing fiora, so i might give that a try, since i have a lot of practise 1v1ing on fiora with my friends who like domi and 3v3, im assuming w e q then e>q>w priority, so by level 3/4 you should have red, your dash, and 2 ranks in burst of 'this skill is far too op'. I used to play olaf jungle a lot as he has amazing sustain, with smite working with his active spellvamp on vicious strikes, but i found his ganks to be fairly weak, as missing your undertow destroys your entire gank, and the lack of a hard cc and distance closer made it hard.
Ive heard that nasus can farm jungle pretty well, and his slow is incredble, i double any jungler could beat him in a 1v1. I just dont really see how hed fit into a team. Ive tried shyvana jungle a few times, but i found her to have similar problems as olaf, though her lack of mana dependancy is really nice, allows you to give blue to mid lane so you only have to gank top/bot.
Nocturne has really good 1v1 and an amazing ultimate, thoughts on nocturne jungle in the current game?
Shen jungle is really nice i think, being arguably one of the strongest tanks in the game, and can give golem to mid, and i think his ganks with his taunt could have potential, thoughts on shen?
Amumu is arguably my favourite tank in LoL, but i think his extreme mana dependancy might make him not very viable, thoughts?
Fiddlesticks is a weird one, but i love his ult, his cc is absurdly strong, and he could likely 1v1 very easily, and i feel his drain would make the jungle go very smoothly, thoughts?
I own trundle, i have no idea why i own trundle, but he has great movement speed and a nice slow, as well as a great ult to kill an escaping target or to make a 1v1 massively in his favor, thoughts?
Those are all the picks i can think of, though im sure there are other ones, like WW, who is tanky, has insane sustain, but little cc outside of his ult, you could mention those if you wanted.
Ive heard that nasus can farm jungle pretty well, and his slow is incredble, i double any jungler could beat him in a 1v1. I just dont really see how hed fit into a team. Ive tried shyvana jungle a few times, but i found her to have similar problems as olaf, though her lack of mana dependancy is really nice, allows you to give blue to mid lane so you only have to gank top/bot.
Nocturne has really good 1v1 and an amazing ultimate, thoughts on nocturne jungle in the current game?
Shen jungle is really nice i think, being arguably one of the strongest tanks in the game, and can give golem to mid, and i think his ganks with his taunt could have potential, thoughts on shen?
Amumu is arguably my favourite tank in LoL, but i think his extreme mana dependancy might make him not very viable, thoughts?
Fiddlesticks is a weird one, but i love his ult, his cc is absurdly strong, and he could likely 1v1 very easily, and i feel his drain would make the jungle go very smoothly, thoughts?
I own trundle, i have no idea why i own trundle, but he has great movement speed and a nice slow, as well as a great ult to kill an escaping target or to make a 1v1 massively in his favor, thoughts?
Those are all the picks i can think of, though im sure there are other ones, like WW, who is tanky, has insane sustain, but little cc outside of his ult, you could mention those if you wanted.
xin op
Your thoughts about Amumu are okay except for the mana part. Yes, he relies on mana early game, but that's what the blue buff is for. In my opinion he is the sickest jungler in the game. Your ult can turn games around, you have extreme tankiness, and with a Frozen Heart your mana problems are goneee. Unless you keep your W on 24/7.
My usual build on him:
Boots + pots
Philo Stone and HoG
Mercuries/Tabis
Sunfire Cape
Abyssal Scepter
Frozen Heart
Force of Nature
GA/Rylais
Pretty much pure pwnage
My usual build on him:
Boots + pots
Philo Stone and HoG
Mercuries/Tabis
Sunfire Cape
Abyssal Scepter
Frozen Heart
Force of Nature
GA/Rylais
Pretty much pure pwnage
The answer to all your questions is lee sinCyrith wrote:
Thoughts?
^ pretty much
Actually the things you SHOULD buy. (I am not sure about the correct order, since I never played Amumu before)FluKerr wrote:
My usual build on him:
Boots + pots
Philo Stone and HoG
Mercuries/Tabis
Sunfire Cape
Abyssal Scepter
Frozen Heart
Force of Nature
GA/Rylais
Pretty much pure pwnage
Yeah the order is correct. But IF you're going to build a Rylai's, I'd suggest to do it earlier for the CC.Stefan wrote:
Actually the things you SHOULD buy. (I am not sure about the correct order, since I never played Amumu before)FluKerr wrote:
My usual build on him:
Boots + pots
Philo Stone and HoG
Mercuries/Tabis
Sunfire Cape
Abyssal Scepter
Frozen Heart
Force of Nature
GA/Rylais
Pretty much pure pwnage
^lul
rylia's / lich bane
by far my favorite items in the entire game
by far my favorite items in the entire game
Yeah Lich Bane is a sick item, and really cool imo. I love building it. But it's only a little viable only on certain champions :/KingFloyd wrote:
rylia's / lich bane
by far my favorite items in the entire game
lol yea sorta
but sometimes i go troll with it and stuff
like this one time i got it on leblanc and backdoor'd a team for a win..... which is pathetic but it happened.
and another time i built full AP on irelia (which was hilarious) and her lichbane hurt BAD causse of her Q and true dmg and such
but sometimes i go troll with it and stuff
like this one time i got it on leblanc and backdoor'd a team for a win..... which is pathetic but it happened.
and another time i built full AP on irelia (which was hilarious) and her lichbane hurt BAD causse of her Q and true dmg and such
Ahaaa, that's sick lol. I love Lich Bane on champs like Akali and Lux. In combination with those passives etc. it really shows its power.
i have some hilarious pictures of various troll builds with stupid high scores
im on my crappy laptop though and everything is on my desktop back in my dorm :/
im on my crappy laptop though and everything is on my desktop back in my dorm :/
+1, twisted fate tooFluKerr wrote:
Ahaaa, that's sick lol. I love Lich Bane on champs like Akali and Lux. In combination with those passives etc. it really shows its power.
tf pretty much NEEDS it to function, otherwise most of his burst goes out the window.. I've never seen a single tf not build lichbane
Yeah, and for max dmg you will need that 4th card basic attack up, which is not always the case.
Also forgot to mention Ziggs. Those passive basic attacks already hurt when he doesn't even have Lich Bane x3
Also forgot to mention Ziggs. Those passive basic attacks already hurt when he doesn't even have Lich Bane x3
Yeah true, but it's not optimal. Her passive is that she deals extra dmg with consecutive basic attack (at the same target). It stacks up only 3 times. So it will only be optimal at her 3rd basic attack. Not saying it's bad though.
I sometimes build a Nashor's Tooth on her :T
I sometimes build a Nashor's Tooth on her :T
i dont think ive ever clicked on nashor's tooth.......
like the stats on it are ok, i just think there are better choices
like the stats on it are ok, i just think there are better choices
Yeah same, was just to try if it worked out with her passive, and it did ^-^
Anyways, what are you fav. champs and why?
Anyways, what are you fav. champs and why?
ahri lux ziggs irelia riven sivir fiora swain teemo akali
i guess the only thing that brings that random grab bag of people together is.
if you build them right they will hit like a truck
i guess the only thing that brings that random grab bag of people together is.
if you build them right they will hit like a truck
Hmm okay. I hate to play against Teemo >w<
what do you have wrong with a 700 AP teemo that AA for 300 damage with a 50 dps tick for 4 seconds attacking 1.1 times per second with 1200 damage landmine mushrooms :O
"teemo should be removed from the game"
-Obama 2012
-Obama 2012
Riot is actually planning to remove champs from the game. Heard Teemo is one of themtyrael6192 wrote:
"teemo should be removed from the game"
-Obama 2012
Yeah :/ And they're removing some items and item passives.
oh if your talking about the season 3 changes i would go check out this place called surrenderat20.net its got all sorts of information on things to come in league
Oh cool :_D
We should do 5 man premades, would be cool ^.^
We should do 5 man premades, would be cool ^.^