Stefan wrote:

And then, we lost because of a Instalock Jayce which went afk. Just saying, we dominated them until the 30th Minute.

Btw, lol'd about Jarvan.

Decent build
but clarity
clarity

Synchrostar wrote:

Stefan wrote:

And then, we lost because of a Instalock Jayce which went afk. Just saying, we dominated them until the 30th Minute.

Btw, lol'd about Jarvan.

Decent build
but clarity
clarity

Decent build? lol no

why would he need a QSS, that team has no suppressions and even if it did, they would be wasted on a bruiser. mercs is enough

Kanye West wrote:

why would he need a QSS, that team has no suppressions and even if it did, they would be wasted on a bruiser. mercs is enough

well decent doesnt have to mean that every item he built was ok, the majority of his build was perfectly fine


howtofarm101 (well i can do better though.)
For some reason, i can farm really well with zyra and katarina.

top1 and top2 solo ranked =/

So happy ;_;

Does aynone play on PBE ? I NEVER play there and I got "rewards" (20% IP boost and 105 champions unlocked) and I don't know where they come from. Any explanation ?

Shiro wrote:

Does aynone play on PBE ? I NEVER play there and I got "rewards" (20% IP boost and 105 champions unlocked) and I don't know where they come from. Any explanation ?

I was under the assumption all PBE stuff is free? I mean how else will people test everything

You're supposed to get a set amount of IP and RP every week, about 10k of each (usually on Sundays). I guess they changed it? I haven't logged onto the pbe in months.

watched a friend play ranked after the reset, he was diamond in S2 and now he's 1-7 and down to 1,4k. oh boy.

It's his true belonging.

nah the ELO compression fucked everything up, it even made everyone play their placement matches over again(yep riot still hasn't realized 50 elo per win/loss is retarded, after 2 seasons.)

so ranked is gonna be pure coin flip for a while.

Saintvicious lost 92 elo from one game lol. I'm not doing ranked till the jungle remake mostly cause i main jungle and the current one is so stagnant that I'd rather play support over it. Too lazy to fight people for mid and top at 1400 elo.

that's a good beginning of the season for me, I believe

rEdo wrote:

that's a good beginning of the season for me, I believe

Nice carry. How is black cleaver on Irelia?

Kanye West wrote:

Nice carry. How is black cleaver on Irelia?

i love to build it in games where my carry knows what to do and is quite fed, and that extra AS is pretty cool
too bad it gets reworked though (AS will be replaced with something else), won't be as good on Irelia as it is right now

~1250 right now

mang das the highest ive ever been i feel so pro *_*

rEdo wrote:

that's a good beginning of the season for me, I believe

I started with 11/1/10 xD

1400 ~ atm, good beginning with 6/2 W/L hope it goes like that

im so glad that i am banned on my main , those 9 days remaining on the ban will be just about enough to bring all the ppl who purchased the elo boost to their place...

wait, you can buy an ELO boost?

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

wait, you can buy an ELO boost?

Not in the game store. People paid high ELO players to play on their account and raise their ELO. It was mostly done under the table and anyone caught would get their rewards removed and temp-banned, most people didn't get caught though. The majority of those who got caught were because the ELO booster did it while streaming so it was hella obvious for Riot.

I play NA server. My ign is JuuicyLove, lvl30. S.1 Bronze & S.2 Gold. ^___^
I interact with skype & vent. (:

Loving the Nidalee model remake. Bye bye kite feet lol.

yoyoy guys
if u need eloboost write me^^
as proof i can give u screen where i won top1 and top2 soloranked eu-west^^

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

wait, you can buy an ELO boost?

I have a 1,9~2k ELO friend that rushed guys with 1100 , 1200 1000 elo to 1500 or 1600 depending on the money they paid, on a week or less, and he even rushed the same guy 4 times xD

no difference 1400 or 1900

ReverseLight wrote:

yoyoy guys
if u need eloboost write me^^
as proof i can give u screen where i won top1 and top2 soloranked eu-west^^

hi I'd like 10k ELO.

GeeNX wrote:

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

wait, you can buy an ELO boost?

I have a 1,9~2k ELO friend that rushed guys with 1100 , 1200 1000 elo to 1500 or 1600 depending on the money they paid, on a week or less, and he even rushed the same guy 4 times xD

I feel sorry for the people who have to play with that after they have been boosted.

Please join the osu! chatroom on EUW so we can play for the lulz and giggles.

Elo boosts are risky. >__<'
I've had a couple friends who got banned for it.
It's just 30% chance of getting banned tho.

Lol 30% and not 31 or any other number cuz you did research

Elo is gay.

Yeah, sorry because of Double Post, but:



I love Support Fiddle <3

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22382-pbe-changes-for-11-15-season-3-items-patch-nami
Lol.. So many new items and changes. I am liking the new support.

Playing on PBE atm

those wrote:

Lol 30% and not 31 or any other number cuz you did research

30% was a guess. o-o'
Its either you get caught or you dont basically.
I probably shouldve said that.

Holeeeee helll those item changes

oh god i thought i knew some builds

nope riot has to change everything :'(

support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it

mm lets hope its better than it sounds

tyrael6192 wrote:

Holeeeee helll those item changes

oh god i thought i knew some builds

nope riot has to change everything :'(

support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it

mm lets hope its better than it sounds

You do realise, that support got one of the best things which could happen to them? The current support meta is just boring with 90% of the time them building hog, philo, 1st aura item, 2nd aura item and wards. Thats it.
The ward refresher item will come in very handy, the new promote item is also very viable in push strats, kage's last breath is also an amazing item because it is built out of mana manipulator letting your ad and yourself spam more spells and thus making botlane even more aggressive. Mikael's Crucible is the perfect item for a hypercarry who needs a babysitter and any support can make great plays happen now with using it wisely. Also, since the new utility mastery which gives you gold everytime you hit your enemy, ranged supports should finally have the upper hand again and we see more than the standard leona/zyra/blitz in botlane. I can't await these changes, botlane seems fun again!

Love that new champ :3

Warwick can now solo baron with just a blade of the ruined king. Haven't tried with a straight up rush and straight to baron yet though.

Japanism on EU c:
Also, Jiangshi on EU.

noneed wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

Holeeeee helll those item changes

oh god i thought i knew some builds

nope riot has to change everything :'(

support shit nerfed so hard, heart of gold, philo, shurelias... also affects champs like skarner so im REALLY not liking it

mm lets hope its better than it sounds

You do realise, that support got one of the best things which could happen to them? The current support meta is just boring with 90% of the time them building hog, philo, 1st aura item, 2nd aura item and wards. Thats it.
The ward refresher item will come in very handy, the new promote item is also very viable in push strats, kage's last breath is also an amazing item because it is built out of mana manipulator letting your ad and yourself spam more spells and thus making botlane even more aggressive. Mikael's Crucible is the perfect item for a hypercarry who needs a babysitter and any support can make great plays happen now with using it wisely. Also, since the new utility mastery which gives you gold everytime you hit your enemy, ranged supports should finally have the upper hand again and we see more than the standard leona/zyra/blitz in botlane. I can't await these changes, botlane seems fun again!

IDD I didn't particularly read into all the new items that have been created, just mostly things that have been changed significantly that are going to affect me - I mean, i don't play support generally, but I play junglers and tops where sometimes gp5 items come in so very useful and the regen from philo and blah so I was just thinking about that

What do you all think about thew new champ, Zed and soon-to-be-released, Nami? (People are comparing Nami and Sona. Saying Nami a better supporter then Sona.)
o-o I wanna try Zed but I wanna hear opinions on him.

Zed is fun. His shadow can trick enemys easily.
But he is a bit tricky to play at all. But if you get used to it it's really fun.

Aoriki wrote:

What do you all think about thew new champ, Zed and soon-to-be-released, Nami? (People are comparing Nami and Sona. Saying Nami a better supporter then Sona.)
o-o I wanna try Zed but I wanna hear opinions on him.

Geez, Sona is boring. Long live Support Fiddlesticks.

i love the heroes in LOL

i love the champions in dota

Nami, the new support is Fizz's mother (just guessing)

though, she doesn't look like a support by looking at her skillset.. more like an ap carry.

GeeNX wrote:

Almost all new "supports" became ap carrys, Lulu was ap carry though on the tournament so many teams had a Lulu as supporter, anyways. I didnt see the spotlight yet nor read the abilities so I can't say that much about it, also YES ZED is really funny, though I still need practise him more and more, and today I just bought Rengar, it is really funny for me too but beww SO NERFED, but stills doing something

Sona is also fine as AP Carry. Janna too. Soraka too. Karma too.

Taric and Leona are not bad junglers either. Most supports are able to do secondary roles.

I mostly enjoy playing something so ridiculously odd that still works, it fucks over the meta quite hard.

Counter meta is the new meta <o/

GeeNX wrote:

@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?

Breaking the meta is fun. Meaning: you know what items their top & botlane will ALWAYS get since its always tank/pusher top & ad pusher + support bot.
If you can deny one lane the entire game, it breaks open the entire meta-failing discussion.

Like making the "seemingly" perfect teamcomp & then surprise them by putting your caitlyn solo top & your botlane blitz+alistar for example.
People arent used to two tanks bot & one pusher top, it messes with their heads & they start making way more mistakes than they should.

Or playing a rammus with flash & ghost, warding their jungle before the opponents jungler even gets in position.
Just random stuff that nobody expects to break the whole "you must play this char & buy these items always in ranked" kind of games - You have to try an odd build now & then, you never know what you come across - Like AD sona winning meleefights vs most ad rangeds

TentacleOtaku wrote:

GeeNX wrote:

@TentecleOtaku: Odd, as for example going botlane on top? Or what did you mean?

Breaking the meta is fun. Meaning: you know what items their top & botlane will ALWAYS get since its always tank/pusher top & ad pusher + support bot.
If you can deny one lane the entire game, it breaks open the entire meta-failing discussion.

Like making the "seemingly" perfect teamcomp & then surprise them by putting your caitlyn solo top & your botlane blitz+alistar for example.
People arent used to two tanks bot & one pusher top, it messes with their heads & they start making way more mistakes than they should.

Or playing a rammus with flash & ghost, warding their jungle before the opponents jungler even gets in position.
Just random stuff that nobody expects to break the whole "you must play this char & buy these items always in ranked" kind of games - You have to try an odd build now & then, you never know what you come across - Like AD sona winning meleefights vs most ad rangeds

That's all good until the enemy team also breaks the meta by sending something like AD nidalee top and runs double jungle against your rammus. I play mostly nothing but premade 5's i think I've seen just about everything after a year and a half.

Taric top is the perfect counter to physical dmg champs.

CU@Playing it AP MID-

=\

any tips how to secure kills with Twisted Fate? I have completely no clue how to do that.
in laning phase I most often end up giving it to my jungler/sb else, I just have no idea how to control that damage

last game our Maokai was legendary, he took like 3 kills from me early game and then didn't die even once the whole game .__.

wait to use your q until you can kill I guess

or mash w when he's guaranteed death

Throwback swag.

rEdo wrote:

any tips how to secure kills with Twisted Fate? I have completely no clue how to do that.
in laning phase I most often end up giving it to my jungler/sb else, I just have no idea how to control that damage

last game our Maokai was legendary, he took like 3 kills from me early game and then didn't die even once the whole game .__.

for the yuno's love dont play tf

TF is.... kinda hard to describe.

Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.

Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.

TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.

Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)

(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png

15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.

I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.

Sigh. Yet again. Guy in solo queue is first pick and picks mid. Gets countered hard, loses his lane, loses us the game.
Gosh people don't understand shit x__x

AP TF is a solo queue god if played well.

TentacleOtaku wrote:

TF is.... kinda hard to describe.

Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.

Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.

TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.

Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)

(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png

15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.

I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.

Why do your words come out of your ass?
Because they're shit

noneed wrote:

Why do your words come out of your ass?
Because they're shit

I dont see why your reply was so antagonistic.

TF as AP:

Pros: Stun on a short cooldown
Bonus to auto attacking helps laning phase
Long range skillshot that passes through minions without diminishing helps to harass and farm
One of the best ults in the game.
Good sustain + aided last hitting through blue card

Cons: Stun is unreliable, requiring preparation time which warns your enemy
While having good autoattack benefits and modifiers, the relatively short attack range and your inherent squishiness can prevent you staying in attack range for long
A lot of TF's AP scaling is in his auto attacks, which is subject to the afforementioned drawbacks
Similary to the previous point, his skillshot is only of a moderate speed and while high damage, isnt exactly nuke level
His ult can warn enemies before he teleports, with the few seconds of warning sometimes being enough for most people to reach safety

Overall verdict: A lot of his drawbacks are in balancing his need to be close to combat, and his squishiness keeping him from fully commiting to combat. If playing against inferior opponents his ult can catch people by surprise, his skillshot will hit most of the time, and people cant properly punish him when he goes into AA range. If against someone who can exploit his weaknesses, he can fall behind very easily, whereas other mid champions who dont have the indicators (stacked deck buff and card above your head) to show thier moves may not have such a bad time.

As far as AD is concerned, his has very little AD scaling but pick a card and stacked deck help with his damage, and give him diversified damage, compared to other AD champions deal primarily physical damage. I dont know for certain, but i would say that AP TF likely has similar damage output compared to AD tf, but allows him a little more security as with AP you can poke with wildcards and actually deal damage.

All in all, i find his weaknesses to be too much for me to overlook his strengths, but as others have said, in the right hands he can be godlike, though i think in part it depends on his teammates also.

Why do your words come out of your ass?
Because they're shit

How nice to see that Osu has such a mature community
Please, tell me more of your wise words, oh great TF playing master......?

Oh wait, I forgot - I'm asking for maturity in a LoL topic, that's impossible on any forum.
People like you is why they invented the Tribunal.

Yeah lol.. Pretty ridiculous tbh

TentacleOtaku wrote:

How nice to see that Osu has such a mature community
Please, tell me more of your wise words, oh great TF playing master......?

Oh wait, I forgot - I'm asking for maturity in a LoL topic, that's impossible on any forum.
People like you is why they invented the Tribunal.

Firstly, as far as your tribunal concern goes, I can tell you that I haven't been banned once, nor warned. So, no, I have never ever been in contact with the tribunal. Alone the fact that you're bringing it up seems ridiculous since it is such a flawed and stupid system, when people get banned left and right for aram/arab games because the community likes their +50ip or whatever they give out.

Secondly, I apologize for my poor choice of words, but you writing a little miny story there about Twisted Fate and reasoning it with fucking Dominion games is just leaving me in stitches, lol. I think it's your ignorance, as the fresh beginner I suppose you are, that you think you know how to actually play a champion.

I would have got rid of all these insulting posts if they didn't contain a bit of interesting material (like Cyrith's). This isn't the LoL community, so refrain from attacking each other at every single occasion.

Don't do that again. Thanks.

Shiro wrote:

I would have got rid of all these insulting posts if they didn't contain a bit of interesting material (like Cyrith's). This isn't the LoL community, so refrain from attacking each other at every single occasion.

Don't do that again. Thanks.

I'm sorry, I won't.

And since I already came off as an arogant asshole, I should probably add my thoughts on TF.

He will be a pretty strong pick again in S3 because DFG is getting a huge buff again. Right now in his current state he is A-Tier midlaner since DFG got nerfed and heavy engage teamcomps are becoming more and more the thing to go so your splitpush or poke won't be as useful for your team as you might think. His laning phase is pretty easy, max q, push your wave, take the wraiths with a simple red card/wild cards combo and rush to your level 6 so you can start putting pressure on other lanes. Mana shouldn't be a problem either because of his blue card. Easiest ganks to pull off is by simply keeping an eye on your own jungler and turning that 2v1/3v2 into a 3v1/4v2 and securing easy kills.
For build I'd highly recommend the standard 1-2 Doran's, Deathcap and Lichbane and from there on situational. Though you can easily rush Athene's Unholy Grail if the enemy midlaner is some kind of heavy ap nuker.
R>Q>W>E, 21/0/9 or 9/0/21 masteries.
Twisted Fate is easily one of the strongest solo queue champs since he can easily push the advantage you have onto your team by his lvl 6 ganks.

Yeah, he is indeed a solo queue wrecker if played well.

Oh, and nice sig btw ^.^

ANYWAYS.
What do you guys think of the upcoming champ, Nami?

Had a little fight against ShadowSoul since he wanted one..





Yeah, my Pick was obviously bad, but at least I could find out that the hates Fiddle and trolled him at the end. xDD

FluKerr wrote:

ANYWAYS.
What do you guys think of the upcoming champ, Nami?

I liked her, she's interesting. I see her more as a carry than a support though. She's quite pleasant to play, honestly. Her Q has insane crowd control but has a delay before hitting, which makes it avoidable. The bouncing W is a good idea, it forces the player to take risks to maximize the effect. Her E is pretty much useless though.
Oh, her ult is sexy.

Im excited to see how her chain heal will work out. Support is arguably my favourite role, with ap mid being my second favourite, so a champion that can do both is nice. That being said, shes likely going to be a stronger carry than support, as from what im seeing, support choices are more tanky with good cc, over the typical squishy mage healer support (not to say that it isnt viable, just im often asked to take say, leona or alistar over sona/janna/soraka). Though since I havent actually played her yet ill withhold judgement and just be silently content that there is finally a new support being released.

TentacleOtaku wrote:

TF is.... kinda hard to describe.

Either you go full on on hit-TF, hoping you get enough auto attacks through to kill whoever comes at you, stunning them with your yellow cards.
Problem is: there are way better on-hit champions out there that can fill that spot better than TF does.

Or, you could go AP TF - making you cast all your spells in 2 seconds & then you're basically dead. Also: you will never be a hard AP nuker.

TF only works in one scenario in my eyes: when he gets ignored because "it's just tf". Kinda like ezreal: he needs his entire team to carry him & not die, feeding like a madman & then TF can work. The chances of that happening are close to 0 though... Unless you're going premade.

Here's a TF shot on one of my LoL accounts (got 2 lvl 30's & working on my 3rd. Why? dunno..)

(clickable for not stretching the board) http://i50.tinypic.com/x1mtmu.png

15/0/11 isn't bad for domi. But as I said, my entire team sulked up all the damage directed towards me, and eventually you come at a point where they can't kill you anymore because you're just over-itemed.

I choose not to play TF in summoners rift, he feels a bit broken.
The only situation i can immagine a nice TF in in SR is when you have a warding jungler so you can ulti in on someone who is doing parts of the jungle he thinks are safe... Other than that, for laning: theres plenty more autoattackers with a longer attackrange & hard cc than TF.

lol, ap tf bad? ez bad?
AP TF and Ez are solo queue hard carries
TF can make every lane snowball, a good ez won't care if his support is trash

Cyrith wrote:

Im excited to see how her chain heal will work out. Support is arguably my favourite role, with ap mid being my second favourite, so a champion that can do both is nice. That being said, shes likely going to be a stronger carry than support, as from what im seeing, support choices are more tanky with good cc, over the typical squishy mage healer support (not to say that it isnt viable, just im often asked to take say, leona or alistar over sona/janna/soraka). Though since I havent actually played her yet ill withhold judgement and just be silently content that there is finally a new support being released.

Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to support

Yeah.. They should do something about that :l

<3

sweeet C:

FluKerr wrote:

Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to support

Of course, there is no 1 best pick after all. It was more, in general ive noticed im asked to play tanky support over squishy support. Personally I prefer squishy support, but thats mostly a force of habit.

Cyrith wrote:

FluKerr wrote:

Yeah same here, but depends who you're up against and which adc you have to support

Of course, there is no 1 best pick after all. It was more, in general ive noticed im asked to play tanky support over squishy support. Personally I prefer squishy support, but thats mostly a force of habit.

Ah okay, could you explain why you'd take a squishy support over a tanky one? Really curious >:D

well tanky supports rely on cc and being in the middle of the action, preferring damage prevention through cc, and requiring tanking damage with low items due to 0cs, which is walking a fine line between life and death. squishy supports tend to focus more on restoration, and help smooth out a carries mistakes, rather than allow your carry to molopolise on thiers, which helps when playing with lower skilled players and solo queue. also squishy supports tend to have more poke, and i quite like the whole poking minigame in lane, stops me from dying from boredom. that and, as i previously said, force of habit from sona being my main for around 3 months back at her release. :p

Ah, okay, pretty cool :] I just like tanky CC champs because they allow you to play agressively. Nothing is cooler than fast paced fights on bot lane!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<Same name :D

I like sona's insane poke on her passive. You hit thier support with it every time, forcing them to waste mana on themselves, or keep it for thier carry. Then level 6 happens and if they didnt leave (hint: they dont) free kill and gold for your carry. Push thier carry back to the turret, stealth recall in the bush, rinse, and repeat. Very funny strategy with an ashe laning with you. Double stuns .

Cyrith wrote:

I like sona's insane poke on her passive. You hit thier support with it every time, forcing them to waste mana on themselves, or keep it for thier carry. Then level 6 happens and if they didnt leave (hint: they dont) free kill and gold for your carry. Push thier carry back to the turret, stealth recall in the bush, rinse, and repeat. Very funny strategy with an ashe laning with you. Double stuns .

Yeah okay, that's real fun yeah, true x3
But I can't really imagine a Sona + random ADc winning from a Leona + random ADc..
I haven't played bot lane in ages though.. I should do it again (with your Sona tactics)!

EDIT: Sona vs leona with random adcs. If the randoms are bad, leona will be throwing herself into the range of sona and the adc, with her own adc not being able to react to the oppertunity fast enough, and sona will win. if the adc is good, the slightest mistake can be exploted by both leona and more importantly, the adc, leading to leona's win. I would also say sona will out-trade leona every time due to the superior passive (leona relies on her team-mates to trigger it), and better poke. As i mentioned in a previous post: supports like sona help fix a bad adc's mistakes, and supports like leona help setup harass and kills for a good adc (with a bad adc missing the created oppertunities most of the time).

True, Leona's zenith blade is exceptionally harsh, but limited in a few ways: firstly it passes through and damages minions, so if you put low hp minions between yourself and her, she wont jump otherwise she will end up stealing cs, at the very least, it will discourage her. Secondly her full damage potential is very mana heavy, and bursting a full shield bash + eclipse + zenith when she would potentially miss isnt always the best choice, which means she is limited heavily in terms of sustainability, forcing her to only cc and be able to kind of sustain, at the cost of likely not securing kills, or going all out, and burning herself out. Thirdly, a last-ditch method so to speak, is to allow yourself to be pushed near to the turret bu not last hitting so thier minions push forward, then keeping the minions at around x | x instead of x | x where x's are the towers, so your tower doesnt deal, and to last hit they have to over-extend, it also means if leona jumps, she'll likely be in tower range, and will lose the exchange.

On a slightly related note, ever seen a leona kill-lane? its rather effective if you feel you can snowball early game and put so much pressure onto every lane that not having a support and adc doesnt even matter.

On a slightly unrelated note: I once took sona because my team didnt realise that i was going to take support sona despite saying i was for 60 seconds in the champ select (normal mode). AP mid sona -> this happened. They went from calling me a noob and /all report noob sona, to 'omg this sona is pro'. I quite rightly told them to f*ck off .

Also, if you want some fun, try this evelynn build in dominion. boots1 + ruby crystal + amp tome -> haunting guize -> pen boots -> blackfire torch -> rylais -> abyssal then if the game lasts further you can go situational like lichbane, wooglets (no rabas in domi ), etc etc. max r>q>w>e. just kite people with hatespike, with blackfire torch ticking 1.7% of thier max hp per second and around 260 base damage on hatespike. If you get low ult them for epic shield. exhaust and ghost are the best summoner spells for this. Though using heal can be funny when you ult them and heal and reverse an entire fight.

whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD

mid is totally where its at

I do like mid. Ive just always played a supporting role, when i used to play wow, i was only ever a healer, i sometimes tanked and dps'ed, and i could do it, but i liked healing the most. My favourite ap mid is ahri, though i used to play anivia around 2 years back, im tempted to pick her up again. Cait is my favourite adc, her range helps her farm in safety and harass with almost no fear of retalliation, and her ult is great at picking people off, not to mention her net being great at both escaping and positioning. Irelia is probably my favourite solo top with her great sustain. Jungle however... im ashamed to say i cant jungle at all. I just cant get the feel of it right. I feel like i should learn how to do it, but i dont want to drag people down in games while im learning. I could make a new account for it, but jungling with no runes and masteries = little sustain and survability so you have little margin for ganks.

New topic (maybe xD) : help this scrub (me) with jungling with tips for noobs, and tricks you learned with those sudden realisations which made everything better.

as for my roles ill play

top: riven, irelia, jayce, FIORA, and similar champions
ADC: i can only play sivir and ezreal
jungle: nocturn
support: janna
mid: any champion in the game i could lane mid with (yes all 100+ of them)

as for jungle help, my worst roles are jugler/support. My neighbor plays in the jungle as his main role and he's pretty sick so if u have any specific questions you want to ask i'll run them by him

KingFloyd wrote:

whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD

mid is totally where its at

How can you suck at support in LoL? It's so easy... Most boring shit ever though.

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

KingFloyd wrote:

whats all this support discussion about. i suck at support, all i know is janna XD

mid is totally where its at

How can you suck at support in LoL? It's so easy... Most boring shit ever though.

you can be bad at support, like i know ONE of the MANY reasons im bad at supporting is that no matter who i am i play SUPER AGRO FIRST BLOOD MODE.

cause thats the fun way to play