Loctav wrote:

As requested.

[Regou]

In general, this diff has huge spacing issues. While you have consistent music, the spacing varies alot and feels random to me. You should try to find some consistence, especially when you use the same slider-hitsound-slider-slider timing (aka hitobject timing). Consider reworking most in-pattern spacings. I'll bring along various patterns, which's spacing are okay (and state why) and some patterns which should be fixed. While checking this mod, you should go through your whole patterns and rethink if you can reason the spacing changes enough on the music.

Which doesn't seem fine:

00:02:501 (2,3) - I consider this spacing as being weird, since it varies a lot and in an inconsistent way.. Especially because I'd expect the (4) to be before (3). I'd suggest something like this: http://puu.sh/MbZd It's giving a oval flow, it's fine imo
00:07:301 (4,5) - This stacking feels weird. Since you didnt stack the same on 00:02:501 (2,3) -, I'd suggest you to unstack the (4) from (5). Also consider to overwork the spacing as in 00:04:451 - Somehow I felt so weird about this change (There's a jump before (4) and (5), so better keep this jump)
00:11:801 (1,2,3,4,5) - well, this one probably plays weird because you couldn't find a consistent spacing value. Consider putting everything on 2,5x if you really want to make it that jumpy. o.o...I have no idea, but but them in same spacing just look ugly
00:12:851 (1,2) - this jump is so different from the jumps you did before. Also the direction the slider wents makes it even more jumpier (regardless of the spacing); the rapid down movement feels stupid and shouldn't be done. Maybe you can keep the flow when trying something like this: http://puu.sh/Mc9L - keep the spacing consistent, here. Is this really difficult to play? I feel fine about this one.(And it can be play well while I test it)
00:17:051 (1,2) - I don't agree with such kind of jumps (and if I see it right, you did them several times). The music stays way too constant to call for such a jump. Especially due to the SV, the jump feels even more unexpected and random. You should reduce the spacing on such kind of jump. Maybe a not-so-drastic spacing would be sufficient, too. (if you really want to stay with the longslider-jump-shortsliders stuff) As I didn't change these kind of pattern in the previous one, I won't change this too

00:26:051 (1,2,3,4) - this gives a nice pattern, but an unjustified jump. Maybe you can do a similiar pattern with lower spacing. Maybe like this? http://puu.sh/Mcmb 00:25:751 (6) - is blanketing 00:26:051 (1) - , so just no
00:36:851 (1,2) - the music hasn't changed, so I see no reason why the spacing gets so high suddenly. The previous spots were fine (with the slow sliders and a bit higher spacing, so sliders are braking you somewhat) Ok, changed
00:39:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - oww, this is hard. The spacing varies so much from all ever before done streams that this was like "oh, what? this was 1/4? eww". If you want to keep it as hitcircle stream, decrease the spacing significantly. From what the music tells me (upward-downward movement) I'd place a repeatslider instead here instead. But this is free of your choice. And wow, this (9) is REALLY LOUD. (maybe decrease volume here?) Decreased the voloume for (9)
00:42:251 (1,4,5) - same spacing stuff as in 00:39:251 Since this kind of streams seems to appear very more often now, I'll refrain from pointing them up, anymore from here.
00:43:901 (5,6) - here is another jump that is totally random to me. Consider reducing the spacing here.
00:45:551 (2,3) - ^
I will keep this, in fact, they are not really a jump to me, it's just a enlarged-spacing stream pattern

00:49:451 (1,2,3,4) - 1/4 jumps (even for sliders) are very hard to play. This alternating playing is hard to do. Maybe you can consider lowering the spacing between the sliders. I personally dislike sliderstreams, but okay. Ctrl+R (2) and (4)
00:51:326 (5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - oh. stream-spacing-change. I know, you want to underline the acceleration here. But changing the spacing within a stream is really hard and really bad to play. Maybe you can make a repeat slider out of 00:51:251 (4,5,6,7) - so this issue gets nuked and you can freely go put the hitcircles on the accelerated part. [color}#FF0000]The voloume is getting louder there, so I think this is ok[/color]
00:58:451 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this is a super good example for inconsistent spacing. The pattern would look less messy and would play way better if you do a star-shaped pattern with consistent spacing (or less variation)Ok, change them into normal spacing
01:06:401 (6,7,8) - why don't you place the (7) in the middle-way between (6) and (8)? This would be way better playable.
01:29:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this pattern would play really good here, if the spacing wouldn't be too large. Try to put (2) (4) (6) (8) closer together (same for 1,3,4,7) and then it should be solved. 0.9x spacing here

01:39:326 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - despite the fact that you changed the spacing within a stream again, refrain from using 1/4 jumps (like from 01:39:476 (4) - to 01:39:551 (1) - ). Especially because the noise of the music isn't really jumping here and is pretty consistent, I see no reason to place a jump here (and 1/4 jumps are always 'eww'). I'd suggest to do a constant spaced stream. Errr ok then
01:50:201 (2,3) - I already stated my suggestion among this kind of jumps a lot before here. I won't point them up anymore. I won't change these pattern. Please, respect my mapping style. It actually can play well and easily readable, and I think it's fun to play.
01:50:651 (1,2,3) - I think this unexpected movement was intended, but it plays so weird. I would place (2) where (3) is and place (3) there where (2) is. Should be sufficient. ok
02:17:351 (6) - move it more towards (7) so the nonrequired jump gets killed. ok

02:43:151 (3,4) - this is also totally random to me. Put (4) closer to (3). [color=##FF0000]The SV here is higher, so the spacing should be larger too[/color]
02:48:551 (2) - I would not expect this to be a 1/4 due to spacing. Stack it more under the end of (1) Deleted this note, as it sounds better
02:58:451 (1,2,3,4,5) - I would pick the same spacing as in 02:57:851 (1,2,3,4) - or vica versa. I think the anti-jump do fit here


Other stuff:

00:11:951 (2) - Due to the flow (and the map lacks of it on many spots), you should bow (2) towards (3), so your movement gets directed to the next hitcircle (like being done with (4) to (5)) ok
00:14:501 (3,4) - I would reverse the selection here (would result in this: http://puu.sh/McaO). This keeps the movement from (1) to (2) into (3) and feel better played in this zigzag movement than before. I really don't like this change, sorry
00:15:551 (4) - placing this more upwards results in a better introduction to the stream beginning on (5). Doing this could also work: http://puu.sh/MccJ ok
00:18:851 (1,2,3,4) - (1) and (2) makes you move zigzag and (3), (4) and following are straight. Maybe you can consider creating also a zigzag movement for (3), (4) and following or kill the zigzag that (1) and (2) call for. Hope I'm fixing this correct
00:22:901 (2,3,4) - the direction of (2) and (3) towards the stream is a different than the slider (4) direction. Moving the slider endpoint more to the right should work. Fix the direction for 00:23:351 (5) - then, too. Fixed

00:24:251 (3,4,5,6) - the beginning of this running-around should begin closer to the end of (2) They are blanketing the beginning of (2)
00:31:751 (3,4) and following (till 00:33:101) - the hitobject timing is weird, since you place a slider right before the actual "holding tone" that comes right afterwards. Maybe you can try this: http://puu.sh/Mcp0 o.o
00:47:801 (2) - bow this one towards (3) to keep a small circle-like movement from (2) to (3). I want to overlap the end of (2) on 00:46:751 (8) - , so no
00:48:401 (4) - don't place it downwards of (3). This kills the flow you just created with (3). Put it upwards, please. imo, put (4) upward just make the jump weird
01:51:551 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - remove the NCs, it's one self-contained pattern and should have the same combo color (without the lifebar bonus you get from passing this). ok



All in all, I think, most of jumps are random and are just placed to increase the difficulty artificially (intended or unintended doesn't matter). I know this is supposed to be an Extra, but well, im my opinion it looks drafty and needs a lot of work. Especially within certain patterns, you accidently destroyed their shape by messing around with the spacing too much. Keep in mind what I said on the beginning of the diff and recheck all the self-contained combos and patterns about their spacing and this diff might turn into a respectable Extra without troll patterns and lolhard jumps, when it doesn't even fit

lolcubes wrote:

Before I mod this into details, I will leave some pointers for Regou's diff, since it needs some adjustments. Currently I am not really content with ranking such an extreme mapset. So lets go.

[Regou]
*OD8 please. OD9 is cool, and even with OD9 I could keep decent accuracy (97~98) but the overall map type is quite jumpy and focuses more on physical strength rather than finesse. So lower the OD to 8 please. Diff spread. As ono use HD5 and OD8 in his diff, so I just +1 on each of them.
*00:33:851 (2,3) - Nonono. It's cool, but it's too easy to sliderbreak. I strongly suggest to do something else, because this is the only moment you mapped in 1/8 which is very inconsistent (except for 00:39:851 (9) but this one is fine), there were tons of other moments you could have done so and you didn't (and don't please). Should change this. ok then
*00:49:451 (1,2,3,4) - This is cool but it could use lower spacing, it's too jumpy at the moment. Changed this on the above mod
*01:06:401 (6,7) - This jump is just random and unfitting. Change this. Changed the pattern
*01:24:851 (1,2,3,4) - Lower the spacing a little bit, it's unsightly while playing, they are too close to the edge of the screen. So, it's still not offscreen \:D/
*01:29:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Just no. This is a bit too hard. This is not an approval mapset where you can just go all out because you can, think of the players. I could actually hit all of these on occasions but they feel really bad. Change this please and lower the spacing.[color=8000FF]Changed this on the above mod[/color]
*01:34:451 (1,2,3,4) - Lower the spacing just like the above. Same.
*01:59:651 (1) - It's really far away, lower the spacing a little. Ok
*02:41:051 (1) - This slider is too long, shorten it. o.o ok
*02:48:251 (1) - This slider is also weird, you should probably remove the circle after it and make this slider longer.Changed this on the above mod
*02:55:301 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is just way over the top. Make this easier, the spacing here is way too big. o.o That's why it's a Extra diff

These are only gameplay issues I felt while playing the map a couple of times. Take these into consideration.
Don't kudosu this post.

Regou wrote:

*02:55:301 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is just way over the top. Make this easier, the spacing here is way too big. o.o That's why it's a Extra diff

lolcubes wrote:

Random spacing is when you just change your spacing when you want, when it doesn't really fit the music.
I thought this was obvious?

Regou wrote:

*02:55:301 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is just way over the top. Make this easier, the spacing here is way too big. o.o That's why it's a Extra diff

It's extra diff even without this crazy thing. You can still keep it's shape but lower the spacing, and it will still be very hard. I am ok if you really want to keep the OD at 9 though.

18:52 nold_1702: : 00:15:851 (9,10,11,12) - 
18:52 nold_1702: : hope no slider stream in your insane
18:53 nold_1702: : 00:48:851 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - and this stream looks bad.
18:53 nold_1702: : is ugly
18:54 nold_1702: : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/396048
18:54 nold_1702: : I suppose you will fix them like this
18:56 OnosakiHito: : oh
18:56 OnosakiHito: : this one is better
18:57 OnosakiHito: : god damn it
18:57 OnosakiHito: : I can't do it so round as you did
18:57 nold_1702: : let me give you code
18:58 OnosakiHito: : please
18:58 OnosakiHito: : lol
18:58 OnosakiHito: : make sure
18:58 OnosakiHito: : you have the latest update
18:58 OnosakiHito: : lol
18:58 nold_1702: : opp fuck I update it xp
18:58 OnosakiHito: : XD
18:59 OnosakiHito: : wait
18:59 OnosakiHito: : I DID IT
18:59 OnosakiHito: : WUHUUUUUUUUU
18:59 nold_1702: : lol
18:59 OnosakiHito: : loool
18:59 nold_1702: : ww
18:59 OnosakiHito: : xD
19:00 OnosakiHito: : What should I do with 
19:00 OnosakiHito: : 00:15:851 (9,10,11,12) - 
19:00 OnosakiHito: : ?
19:00 nold_1702: : note stream
19:00 OnosakiHito: : No sliders?
19:00 OnosakiHito: : ah
19:00 OnosakiHito: : ok
19:00 nold_1702: : it's not fit here
19:00 OnosakiHito: : Please add this in your post as well
19:00 OnosakiHito: : so people see what I changed.
19:00 OnosakiHito: : :)

Regou wrote:

It won't help anything as BATs not willing to rank this, even check this again. 3 BATs even suggest to remove my diff. Huh.
Remove my diff will help youbwith getting this 11 month old map ranked, perhaps.

nold_1702 wrote:

Hi Regou,
talked with ono and something should be changed to make your diff more acceptable for someone.

[General]

AI BAT told me:

Inconsistency in Tags: - [Insane] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Normal] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Regou] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten-san Regou
- [Roko-Don's Taiko Ura Oni] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Saten's Hard] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Taiko Inner Oni] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Taiko Muzukashii] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
- [Taiko Oni] : utsuho reiuji nuclear fusion okuu Rokodo Saten Regou
fixed


[Regou]

00:39:851 (9) - Unsnapped slider end.Hmm..it's not 1/8,use 1/8? fixed
-Also,end on 00:40:151 ? fixed

01:29:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think someone mentioned it b4,I have to doubt it again.
Reason: It's the biggest jump in this map.This jump makes the map sperad inconsistant.
Try to fix it's spacing lower.
Like this.

It makes the feeling you want too. Changed that pattern

01:39:251 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I think this 1/4 stream jump makes no sense.Since really no other sound on 01:39:551. Do it like this. fixed

01:59:501 (8,1) - As lolcubes said,too far.I misses this 2 times in test mode.Put it on x256,y300 looks better for me.Or x460,y284. x460 y316.

02:55:301 (5) - 2 notes plz can't stop missing this

02:55:451 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Died here.lolcubes mentioned it b4,your reply was"that's why it's a extra."I think it's not a reason to put a huge spacing like this one.Comparing to other jumps/parts,this jump is too huge.[url]=http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/396041]0.8x[/url] it .

02:57:851 (1,2,3,4) - I read it as a 1/4 in my first play since you used this spacing as 1/4 before on 02:43:301 (4,5,1) -
02:45:701 (1,2,3) -
02:48:101 (7,8,1) -
etc and etc.

So try this
ok

OnosakiHito wrote:

[Regou's Extra]

01:39:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Are you sure about this jump there? Could confuse players. Maybe having a whole stream without a gap would be better.
02:57:851 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - Similiar here.

1. You must add a sliderborder because you are using a custom hitcircle set
2. Add an "approachcircle.png" to complete the hitcircle skin set
3. Remove nuclear fusion from the tags, it's already in the song's title
4. Add "Saten-San" and not only Saten to Reogou's tags
5. Remove AudioLeadIns from standard diff
6. I don't agree about the huge jump that there is from normal diff to the hard one. The hard one is really too hard to be just the 2nd diff of your mapset. It'd be perfect if you decided to make an easy diff.
7. Rename the "Regou" diff in "Regou's Insane".

1. Since this is the easiest diff of your mapset you should decrease the AR by 1.
2. 00:05:651 (1) - Remove new combo
3. 00:07:451 (3) - Add new combo
4. 00:08:651 (1) - Remove new combo
5. 00:20:351 (3) - We should try to make it easier. Remove this circle, it's useless and overmapped IMO for the easiest diff
6. 00:21:851 (2) - So much repeats for the easiest diff, novice players don't know when they have to stop to click it. It'd be much better to remove a repeat from here, and doing the same thing for next sliders: 00:24:251 (2) / 00:26:651 (2) etc.
7. 01:06:551 (5) - Remove circle
8. 01:23:651 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Too huge spacing to play for the easiest diff. Use distance snap here
9. 01:33:851 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^
10. 01:38:051 (4) - New combo

1. 00:11:351 (4) - What about to use New Combo here to advice player about the SV and spacing changes?
2. 00:43:901 (5) - This slider touches the HP bar. You should move it somewhere else
3. 00:52:451 (1) - ^
4. 01:06:851 (1) - ^
5. 01:17:651 (3) - I'd use new combo here
6. Nice diff, I liked it

1. 00:10:451 (4) - New combo even to advice player about the reduced spacing between 00:10:451 (4,5,6)
2. 00:28:451 (1) - Move this slider to x:244 y:276 and the 2nd waypoint on x:304 y:328 to have a "straight" trajectory starting from that stream
3. 00:34:076 (6) - This circle is overmapped, you can remove it
4. 00:49:451 (1) - New combo
5. 01:10:451 (9) - ^
6. 01:14:051 (7,1) - Remove new combo from (7) and add it on (1)
7. 01:16:751 (6) - New combo
8. 01:22:151 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with the previous 01:21:551 (2) and then unreadable
9. 01:27:701 (4) - This circle touches the HP bar. Move it.
10. 01:38:201 (5) - Reduce this slider by 1/2 and add a circle on the next empty white line. Use new combo on this slider btw.
11. 01:38:801 - Add circle here too following my suggestion above
12. 01:59:651 (1) - New combo? It'd be awesome
13. 02:16:901 (5) - New combo
14. 02:34:001 (7) - ^

Chewin wrote:

[Normal]
Since this is the easiest diff of your mapset you should decrease the AR by 1.

Chewin wrote:

Hi Ono, mod requested via MP o.o

[General]

1. You must add a sliderborder because you are using a custom hitcircle set I don't understand. Why?
2. Remove AudioLeadIns from standard diff I think it is fine, because the beginning felt too short.
3. I don't agree about the huge jump that there is from normal diff to the hard one. The hard one is really too hard to be just the 2nd diff of your mapset. It'd be perfect if you decided to make an easy diff. Mh... I think it is okay...? I will see if other people say something about it.

[Normal]

used everything~

[Regou] - Waiting for Regou

1. 00:11:351 (4) - What about to use New Combo here to advice player about the SV and spacing changes?
2. 00:43:901 (5) - This slider touches the HP bar. You should move it somewhere else
3. 00:52:451 (1) - ^
4. 01:06:851 (1) - ^
5. 01:17:651 (3) - I'd use new combo here
6. Nice diff, I liked it

[Insane]

1. 00:28:451 (1) - Move this slider to x:244 y:276 and the 2nd waypoint on x:304 y:328 to have a "straight" trajectory starting from that stream I don't understand the seonc placement :<
2. 01:14:051 (7,1) - Remove new combo from (7) and add it on (1) I think you ment it in controvers way? Did it.
3. 01:16:751 (6) - New combo Feels quite disturbing, I will keep it how it is.
4. 01:22:151 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with the previous 01:21:551 (2) and then unreadable Moved it a bit backwards, fine now?
5. 01:38:201 (5) - Reduce this slider by 1/2 and add a circle on the next empty white line. Use new combo on this slider btw. Used it in similiar way now. :3

That's it

Chewin wrote:

Hi Ono, mod requested via MP o.o

[Regou]

1. 00:11:351 (4) - What about to use New Combo here to advice player about the SV and spacing changes? Ok
2. 00:43:901 (5) - This slider touches the HP bar. You should move it somewhere else Should be better now
3. 00:52:451 (1) - ^ ^
4. 01:06:851 (1) - ^ ^
5. 01:17:651 (3) - I'd use new combo here Ok
6. Nice diff, I liked it Thanks

That's it

1. 00:24:701 (6,1) - Please unstack this. The map speed is pretty fast and it was flowing nice until here. Just use spacing what you used before, that should work much better.
2. 01:30:251 (5,6,7,8) - I would recommend to lower the spacing a little further. 2 high spaced square patterns are really hard to hit already, and spacing like this just makes it a little over the top if you ask me.
3. 02:30:251 (1,2,3) - Should reduce spacing. The spacing itself is not the problem but the location of the notes. This is a little too sudden after a break and the calm part and is a little unexpected.
4. 02:55:751 (3) - Please relocate this a bit to the right. Not only it makes the pattern look bad, but the flow gets disturbed a little as well. 3 grid4 down and right should be enough.
5. 02:57:401 (3,4,5) - This spacing needs to be reduced a little because the upcoming spacing afterwards is really small and this destroys the flow and makes it hard to read.

1. Drain +1.
2. 00:32:051 (5) - Don't like this object because it goes against the rhythm in the song. Maybe just use something else instead? Like a slider + circle, where the slider ends on the white tick.
3. 00:42:251 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think you should lower the spacing for this a little, I know you're not really supposed to map for mods, but with hard rock this spot is exponentially harder than most of the map. Same goes for 00:44:651 (1,2,3,4,5) as well in that case.
4. 01:22:151 (4) - Can you reposition this somewhere else? It doesn't really have to be there and it's hard to read a little.
5. 02:37:601 (5,1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern is weird, such spacing change is somewhat unexpected since it was pretty even until here. I would suggest a use of a more common patterns.
6. 02:42:401 (2,3,4,5,6) - I would suggest to move all these a bit up and to the right. As they are currently, the flow breaks on the slider 2 because of a really sharp turn you need to make after hitting the stream before it. Might as well reshape the stream if you want, just so the movement is more direct.
7. 02:59:051 (8) - Use normal default finish?

1. Since this is the 2nd lowest standard difficulty, AR8 seems like an overkill to me. The map plays just fine with AR7, so use AR7 please (I will use AR7 as a base to mod this diff). Also use OD6 since it's more appropriate for a hard diff.
2. 01:11:051 (1,2) - This uneven spacing should be fixed. Take a look at spacing at 01:14:051 (1,2), current 1-2 spacing is too big.
3. 01:38:951 (3,4) - Lower the spacing a bit, should be easy considering it's a symmetrical pattern.
4. The final kiai lacks a lot of claps if you ask me, but it doesn't really sound bad currently. Consider placing more claps though.

1. Drain-1, OD+1 imo.
2. 01:01:451 (4) - I would recommend to move this somewhere else, preferably around the center of the screen. It flows bad like it is now.
3. 01:29:651 (3,4,5,6,1) - Since this normal diff is your lowest diff, this should be more clear. Best way to do this would be that the circles don't go over the slider, and avoid stacking circles here.
4. 01:57:851 (1,2,3) - Fix this spacing please, 2 and 3 are off.
5. 02:30:251 (1,2,1) - I think this spacing is a little too small. Can you move 1 and 2 a bit lower?
6. 02:31:451 (1,2,1,2) - Please don't stack under slider ends in an easiest diff in the mapset.
7. 02:56:351 (3) - ^

1. Don't manipulate the star ratings unless absolutely necessary, use standard circlesize/AR please.
2. I would suggest to lower the drain to 4. 5 is too high for a diff this hard. Since you have a lot of taiko diffs maybe consider OD4 as well, but I am ok with OD5.
3. 00:36:101 (5,6,7) - Not sure if starting on a red tick is a good idea. I really didn't expect this. In any case I don't think it's too big of a problem, just wanted to comment.
4. 00:36:551 (9) - This finish can be tricky and since you didn't use finishes during this measure because you had a small stream, this finish doesn't really bring anything but confusion (to me). Just remove it imo.
5. 00:39:251 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4) - Heh I just can't hit these. I know I'm not really skilled at taiko and you know that as well, but I recommend to make something more simple here because music allows it. You can try d d d d kkkkk. This is as simple as it gets and it sounds better in my opinion as well.
6. 00:47:651 (2) - Remove this finish pls, it's inconsistent.
7. 00:48:851 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2) - Why not use a drumroll instead? It fits the music and makes it more simple.
8. 00:59:201 (1) - d?
9. 01:02:951 (1) - Don't like this note. Sounds better if you move it to 01:03:101 instead. I think just removing it would be fine too.
10. 01:08:201 (1) - I recommend to remove this, the pattern is kinda long. It's 200bpm after all.
11. 01:09:851 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I think you could also make this more simple. Also I recommend to remove 01:10:601 this note because it's insignificant and it makes patterns better imo. I would suggest to make a drumroll actually because of all the beats in the song, would fit and make it easier. So, I came up with k k d k (drumroll).
12. 01:43:451 - 01:50:051 - In this entire section I just can't figure out the rhythm. Everything is offbeat (intentionally I guess), but I really recommend to at least map some downbeats where possible (but keep the note density the same, meaning you might have to remove some notes). I am really not okay with the current rhythm here.
13. 02:38:351 (5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1) - Not sure what to think here. The bpm change around here makes this incredibly hard to read. Have you considered using a spinner here? I think it fits nicely because of a buildup in the music. This bpm change should be fixed by using a 200 BPM section instead of a 100 BPM one, but if you want this part to be the same like it is now, consider my suggestion.
14. 02:40:751 (1) - Move this to 02:40:901? Sounds better.

lolcubes wrote:

[General]
Timing: Should use 200 BPM for everything with metronome resets where appropriate. This might mean you will have to use 0.5x sections in your diff to match the slider velocity used. I don't agree with using 100 BPM because in some places you have it seems really incorrect to me. This is arguable, however no matter what, the spot at 02:30:251 is not 100 BPM and since it doesn't really feel different from the slow part, except that it has beats, suggests that the whole thing is 200 BPM. Also, the 100 BPM sections mess up how taiko works and some things are really unexpected. This kind of speed-change is fine as it's placed on a very reasonable place imo (as well as metronome reset). My diff would also be filled with unfitting ticks.
And how is this messing up how taiko works? it looked fine on all taiko diffs on that section. Only difference is that there are less lines.

[Saten's Hard]

1. Since this is the 2nd lowest standard difficulty, AR8 seems like an overkill to me. The map plays just fine with AR7, so use AR7 please (I will use AR7 as a base to mod this diff). Also use OD6 since it's more appropriate for a hard diff. I personally find it more enjoying with AR 8
2. 01:11:051 (1,2) - This uneven spacing should be fixed. Take a look at spacing at 01:14:051 (1,2), current 1-2 spacing is too big. this was half-intended as someone suggested a change but I left the spacing unchanged, and very readable with AR 8. If you really really want to change this, please say so
3. 01:38:951 (3,4) - Lower the spacing a bit, should be easy considering it's a symmetrical pattern. This was fully intended
4. The final kiai lacks a lot of claps if you ask me, but it doesn't really sound bad currently. Consider placing more claps though. I kinda did this on purpose on the last kiai

lolcubes wrote:

Uh I guess it's time to take this out of the graveyard once and for all?

[General]
Timing: Should use 200 BPM for everything with metronome resets where appropriate. This might mean you will have to use 0.5x sections in your diff to match the slider velocity used. I don't agree with using 100 BPM because in some places you have it seems really incorrect to me. This is arguable, however no matter what, the spot at 02:30:251 is not 100 BPM and since it doesn't really feel different from the slow part, except that it has beats, suggests that the whole thing is 200 BPM. Also, the 100 BPM sections mess up how taiko works and some things are really unexpected.
I have x0.25 parts which I want to keep in the taiko diff. and which are really importand to me and the map itself. Not just that this is normaly a good use in taiko, it sounds also right because the song has one down part (x0,5) and one extrem down part (x0,25) which fits perfectly for the game mod taiko. So I would see no reason why to change it. Also 200 ≈ 100 BPM, it dosen't change anything for the timing at all and dosen't feel wrong too because the offset hasn't changed either. You should also know that the original taiko works way more extrem with SV changes, why we, the taiko mapper use it allready pretty fine.


[Insane]

1. Drain +1. Since some parts are now easier I will do so, +1.
2. 00:32:051 (5) - Don't like this object because it goes against the rhythm in the song. Maybe just use something else instead? Like a slider + circle, where the slider ends on the white tick. done
3. 00:42:251 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think you should lower the spacing for this a little, I know you're not really supposed to map for mods, but with hard rock this spot is exponentially harder than most of the map. Same goes for 00:44:651 (1,2,3,4,5) as well in that case. done with x1.0
   Ono's change at 00:35:351~00:36:701 - expanded the stream by one hitcircle and made it smoother
4. 01:22:151 (4) - Can you reposition this somewhere else? It doesn't really have to be there and it's hard to read a little. I agree, see how I changed it~
   Ono's change at 01:40:601 (1) - moved to 01:40:451 and shortered the small slider by one.
5. 02:37:601 (5,1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern is weird, such spacing change is somewhat unexpected since it was pretty even until here. I would suggest a use of a more common patterns. I think I changed it into a really good way, check it out~!
6. 02:42:401 (2,3,4,5,6) - I would suggest to move all these a bit up and to the right. As they are currently, the flow breaks on the slider 2 because of a really sharp turn you need to make after hitting the stream before it. Might as well reshape the stream if you want, just so the movement is more direct. changed
7. 02:59:051 (8) - Use normal default finish? done

[Normal]

• 
  appled everything

[Muzukashii]
I'll be honest. It's a bit too hard for me. I think in general there are too many variations and 200bpm makes it a bit too hard in my opinion.
To be honest, this muzukashii is mapped really easy for a 200 song. It could easily contain more tripplets in it.

1. I would suggest to lower the drain to 4. 5 is too high for a diff this hard. Since you have a lot of taiko diffs maybe consider OD4 as well, but I am ok with OD5. There is no reason to use 4, because the muzukashii isn't that hard.
2. 00:36:101 (5,6,7) - Not sure if starting on a red tick is a good idea. I really didn't expect this. In any case I don't think it's too big of a problem, just wanted to comment. Mapped to the beat, so it is reasonable.
3. 00:36:551 (9) - This finish can be tricky and since you didn't use finishes during this measure because you had a small stream, this finish doesn't really bring anything but confusion (to me). Just remove it imo. One big don would miss then, so I will leave it how it is. It is also not too hard to hit the big don(you can use only one button as well)
4. 00:39:251 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4) - Heh I just can't hit these. I know I'm not really skilled at taiko and you know that as well, but I recommend to make something more simple here because music allows it. You can try d d d d kkkkk. This is as simple as it gets and it sounds better in my opinion as well. Nice, I will use it.
5. 00:47:651 (2) - Remove this finish pls, it's inconsistent. agree
6. 00:48:851 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2) - Why not use a drumroll instead? It fits the music and makes it more simple. agree
7. 00:59:201 (1) - d? done
8. 01:02:951 (1) - Don't like this note. Sounds better if you move it to 01:03:101 instead. I think just removing it would be fine too. done
9. 01:08:201 (1) - I recommend to remove this, the pattern is kinda long. It's 200bpm after all. changed
10. 01:09:851 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I think you could also make this more simple. Also I recommend to remove 01:10:601 this note because it's insignificant and it makes patterns better imo. I would suggest to make a drumroll actually because of all the beats in the song, would fit and make it easier. So, I came up with k k d k (drumroll). done in similiar way
11. 01:43:451 - 01:50:051 - In this entire section I just can't figure out the rhythm. Everything is offbeat (intentionally I guess), but I really recommend to at least map some downbeats where possible (but keep the note density the same, meaning you might have to remove some notes). I am really not okay with the current rhythm here. I've mapped to the "beep" sounds with adding some don's in it. I'm totally fine with it and want to keep it.
12. 02:38:351 (5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1) - Not sure what to think here. The bpm change around here makes this incredibly hard to read. Have you considered using a spinner here? I think it fits nicely because of a buildup in the music. This bpm change should be fixed by using a 200 BPM section instead of a 100 BPM one, but if you want this part to be the same like it is now, consider my suggestion. changed in another way
13. 02:40:751 (1) - Move this to 02:40:901? Sounds better.

I will check the other taiko diffs tomorrow. Will update this post.

lolcubes wrote:

Uh I guess it's time to take this out of the graveyard once and for all?

[Regou's Extra]
I really like how you handled the issues from before. Just some small details left to polish for better gameplay.

1. 00:24:701 (6,1) - Please unstack this. The map speed is pretty fast and it was flowing nice until here. Just use spacing what you used before, that should work much better. Okay :3
2. 01:30:251 (5,6,7,8) - I would recommend to lower the spacing a little further. 2 high spaced square patterns are really hard to hit already, and spacing like this just makes it a little over the top if you ask me. -15% spacing
3. 02:30:251 (1,2,3) - Should reduce spacing. The spacing itself is not the problem but the location of the notes. This is a little too sudden after a break and the calm part and is a little unexpected. (1) and (2) spacing -20%, should be better now
4. 02:55:751 (3) - Please relocate this a bit to the right. Not only it makes the pattern look bad, but the flow gets disturbed a little as well. 3 grid4 down and right should be enough. Hope I'm doing this on the right way. lol anyway fixed
5. 02:57:401 (3,4,5) - This spacing needs to be reduced a little because the upcoming spacing afterwards is really small and this destroys the flow and makes it hard to read. Alright, fixed

I will check the other taiko diffs tomorrow. Will update this post.

[Luanny PhNyx] wrote:

Futsuu, Muzu, Oni and Ura Oni.

144,160,42251,2,0,P|160:96|236:88,1,140

96,284,8051,2,0,P|105:216|199:196,1,150

Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at:
 00:31:126 - snap to 00:31:151

Deni wrote:

Saten's Hard

Hi Saten! \(^-^*)/ o/

00:27:851 (9) - What about adding a new combo here? It doesn't follow the pattern I chose
00:41:651 (5) - I don't get why you used that slider here. It doesn't really fit to the rhythm. It still follows the flow imo
01:28:451 (1) - You can make this slider a bit more symmetrical with the new slidersystem. It is pretty symmetrical
01:29:651 (2) - Just mirror the new slider if you applied above ^ same as above ^

Nothing more to say here! Good diff! Thanks~

Deni wrote:

Regou's Extra

Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at:
 00:31:126 - snap to 00:31:151

00:33:251 (1) - You can make this slider probably more symmetrical with the new 3-point-slider system.
01:21:251 (1) - same as above ^
01:26:051 (1) - Slider doesn't look too well maybe make a new one and curve it more!
01:27:251 (1) - same here..^
You can probably make a few sliders a bit more symmetrical with the new slider-system. (I didn't mention every slider)
All fixed~
Who is even supposed to pass that? xD

That's it! If you have any questions ask them via PM or ingame!

Saten wrote:

Not only selfish, but naive too :/

Saten wrote:

Not only selfish, but naive too :/

OnosakiHito wrote:

Though, I still wonder who is gonna mod this... we will see.

1. The Timing seems to be off at the beginning. I put a Timing Point here 00:02:330 - and the Timing seems to be fixed although I am not really confident in my Timing skills so please contact a Timing Pro or someone like that.
2. Could you lower the volume of the Caution and Caution2? They almost make the song unhearable :S
3. 02:59:051 - How about putting a Normal-Default Inherited Point with ~45% volume?

1. I personally think that a changing Slider Velocity does not fit in an Easy Diff or maybe even a Normal Diff, since the player (who is obviously new to the game) shouldn't be able to distinguish the different Slider Velocities.
2. This Easy seems to have many (intentional?) Distance Snap problems so please fix them!
   
   Finishing hitsounds!

   00:11:351 (4) - Finishing hitsound at the end of the slider please!
   00:14:051 (1) - Finishing hitsound at the end!
   00:15:851 (4) - Finishing hitsound at the end of the slider!
   00:18:251 (4) - Finishing hitsound at the end of the sldier!
   00:20:651 (3) - Finishing hitsound at the end of the slider!
   00:23:651 (1) - Finishing hitsound at the end!
   00:26:051 (1) - Finishing hitsound at the end!
   00:28:451 (1) - Finishing hitsound at the end!
   00:30:851 (1) - Perhaps you could add a soft finishing hitsound?
   00:15:251 (3) - How about putting a small blanket here?
   00:54:851 (1,2,1) - Please make those sliders more like a blanket, as it looks kind of weird right now.
   SPOILER

   
3. 01:03:251 (2) - Please move the slider ankle point to x46 y145 to increase that blanket beauty
4. 01:05:651 (2) - Move the return point to x425 y128 please! (Blanket again ~)
5. 01:39:251 (1) - MIGHT be too short for beginners.
6. 02:50:051 (3) - Come on Saten we both know that a cool blanket looks way better here.
7. 02:57:851 (3) - IF you followed that volume thing in the General mod, please add a finishing hitsound at the end.

1. 00:10:451 (1,2,3,1) - Holy crap these circles are close o_o
   
   Finishing hitsounds!

   00:11:351 (1) - Please put a finishing hitsound at the end of the slider!
   00:14:051 (1) - Finishing hitsound!
   00:16:451 (1) - Finishing hitsound!
   00:18:851 (1) - Finishing hitsound!
   00:21:251 (1) - Please put a finishing hitsound at the start of the slider!
   00:23:651 - Finishing hitsound here please!
   00:25:451 (1) - Please put a finishing hitsound at the end of the slider!
   00:27:851 (1) - Please put a finishing hitsound at the end of the slider!
   00:30:851 (1) - Perhaps you could add a soft finishing hitsound?
2. 00:24:551 (3,1) - Ugh, these two sliders kinda overlap in an ugly way
3. 02:39:851 - Wow from this point on the Distance Snap seems to be a bit too much for a Normal player to handle, not forgetting that this is 200 bpm(!)
4. 02:57:851 (1) - IF you followed that volume thing in the General mod, please add a finishing hitsound at the end.

1. Sorry to say this but the Hard Diff is a bit boring at some points, since it's the same kind of circles or sliders just repeating themselves in another shape (with the same feeling).
2. 00:00:851 (1) - Not sure if it's cool that the Hard diff is the only diff with that spinner at the beginning or not. Consider removing it!
3. 00:39:251 (5) - Nice slider, but why not just use a single ankle point to make it smoother?
4. 00:42:851 (1,2,3,4) - Why not make a cool symmetrical pattern out of them?
   Something like this

   
5. 01:29:651 (2) - CTRL + G to increase the flow. It's just a huge flow killer as it is now :/
6. 01:38:951 (3,4) - Could you move them closer? If the player doesn't know the song he isn't able to read this Spacing.
7. 02:32:351 (6) - Move it 4 grids up and you have a better looking synnergy.
8. 02:41:051 (4,5) - Is this overlap on purpose? If not, please fix it because it's not looking that good!
9. 02:55:901 (6) - Move the slider ankle point to x136 y206 and the slider tail to x198 y206. This just makes the blanket look way better. Also dont forget to stack 02:56:351 (7) - this properly after fixing it.

1. 00:06:701 (4) - Please stack it with the (2), unless it was done intentionally.
2. 00:06:551 (3,1) - Also why are these closer together than 00:06:251 (1,3) - ?
3. 00:08:051 (1,2,3,4) - A jump with that much of a distance doesn't really fit at this part of the song. Consider reducing it.
   
   Finishing Hitsounds

   00:11:651 -
   00:14:051 -
   00:16:451 -
   00:18:851 -
   00:21:251 -
   00:23:651 -
   00:26:051 -
   00:28:451 -
   Yep, I got too lazy :X
4. 01:16:151 (4,1,2) - Please shorten the distance here as they've got the same distance as 01:15:701 (3,4) -
5. 01:22:151 (4) - How about palcing it like this to increase the flow?
   SPOILER

   
6. 01:37:451 (3) - (4) plays much better if you change the slider to this
   SPOILER

   
7. 01:39:851 (9) - Only a minor thing but why don't you move the return point to x338 y128? It looks better and plays a little bit better.
8. 02:39:101 (7,8,9,1) - Is is intended that these aren't stacked?
9. 02:44:351 (5) - You could move this to the end of 02:43:751 (2) - but both ways are fun to play.
10. 02:59:051 (5) - IF you followed that volume thing in the General mod, please add a finishing hitsound at the end.

1. 00:10:451 (1,2,3) - Woah this one is mean
2. 00:45:551 (2) - Why didn't you use the same slider as 00:45:251 (1) - ?
3. 00:51:251 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - I think that a constant cpacing change works out better than what you've got now. Like, increasing the Distance snap by 0,05 every note
   SPOILER

   
4. 00:53:201 (3) - Make this one face the right side
5. 01:39:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - A perfect circle stream looks way better.
6. 01:59:051 (5) - They flow is just kind of ruined because of this beginning of the square. Please switch the positions of (7) and (5).
7. 02:43:301 (4,5,1) - What the hell this triplet
8. 02:45:251 (5,1,2) - What the crap this triplet
9. 02:45:851 (3) - How about make the slider in a line with the previous circles? (02:46:151 (4) - has to be changed too if you fix this one)
10. 02:48:101 (7,8,1) - What the shit this triplet
11. 02:56:651 (1) - While playing I thought that this is still 1/2 and messed it up. Please increase the spacing by a bit or add a circle here 02:56:501 - .
12. 02:59:051 (5) - Please put a finishing hitsound here if Saten or Ono followed my General volume mod.

Haya wrote:

BOOM! Nice version of the original song
Now let's get to the mod ~ (Standard only, since I pretty much suck at Taiko lol)

[General]

1. The Timing seems to be off at the beginning. I put a Timing Point here 00:02:330 - and the Timing seems to be fixed although I am not really confident in my Timing skills so please contact a Timing Pro or someone like that.
2. Could you lower the volume of the Caution and Caution2? They almost make the song unhearable :S
3. 02:59:051 - How about putting a Normal-Default Inherited Point with ~45% volume?

[Regou's Extra]

1. 00:10:451 (1,2,3) - Woah this one is mean not really, feel the music
2. 00:45:551 (2) - Why didn't you use the same slider as 00:45:251 (1) - ? my bad
3. 00:51:251 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - I think that a constant cpacing change works out better than what you've got now. Like, increasing the Distance snap by 0,05 every note
   SPOILER

   
   Interesting
4. 00:53:201 (3) - Make this one face the right side Agree
5. 01:39:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - A perfect circle stream looks way better. Yup, sorry that I am not good at making them one year ago
6. 01:59:051 (5) - They flow is just kind of ruined because of this beginning of the square. Please switch the positions of (7) and (5). k
7. 02:43:301 (4,5,1) - What the hell this triplet
8. 02:45:251 (5,1,2) - What the crap this triplet
   Trust me, you can do this and in 2013, it should be allowed
9. 
   02:45:851 (3) - How about make the slider in a line with the previous circles? (02:46:151 (4) - has to be changed too if you fix this one) k
10. 02:48:101 (7,8,1) - What the shit this triplet mmm, same.
11. 02:56:651 (1) - While playing I thought that this is still 1/2 and messed it up. Please increase the spacing by a bit or add a circle here 02:56:501 - . Increased spacing
12. 02:59:051 (5) - Please put a finishing hitsound here if Saten or Ono followed my General volume mod. k

That's it! Good luck ~

Sephibro wrote:

hi! m4m from your modding queue

[General]
from ranking criteria:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes. You can use hitsounds from the Custom Hitsound Library or easily find others online. Lowering the volume of a few notes to provide a dampened effect is usually fine, but complete silence is always unacceptable. The end of a spinner (or even the entire spinner) the sliding sound of a slider, and the end of a slider can be silent, but only do it if it makes sense. Finally, you cannot silence both slider ticks and slider slides together.

the soft-hitnormal you are using is not audible on some parts, especially in the beginning of lunatic and extra diffs. I suggest changing it or raising the volume in those parts.

Pls tell me that bg isn't nsfw and it can be ranked, it's awesome!

[Extra]
OD+1 and maybe HP-1 too
oh Lunatic is now in OD8. k

00:49:451 (1,2,3,4) - something like this looks better http://puu.sh/49Brn.jpg, distance snap calculated with slider tails doesn't matter at all as these sliders are performed holding cursor on slider's head agree
00:51:251 (4) - 1. this stream needs louder hitsounds and 2. the spacing change is really cool but i would make 00:51:251 (4,5,6,7) go in a line with 3 http://puu.sh/49BAv.jpg meh, not really
01:18:251 (5,6,7,8) - http://puu.sh/49BFl.jpg much nicer and much more playable It looks pretty ugly so, meh
01:23:951 (2,3,4,5) - ctrl+J and overlap 2 on 3 Don't break this antijump please ;w;
01:29:351 (1) - add NC nope
01:29:651 (3) - remove NC nope
01:30:251 (1) - add NC k
01:51:551 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - let them on a line http://puu.sh/49BSo.jpg (horizontal or 15° anticlockwise). you may also swap 1 with 2, 3-4, 5-6 to be honest flow like this isn't really good D:
02:43:301 (4,5,1) - way too spaced
02:45:701 (1,2,3) - ^
02:48:101 (7,8,1) - ^
Answering to this again: the general spacing in the speed-up part is very high so that it would be better to keep these tripet in high spacing to prevent breaking the flow.
02:57:851 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - awful spacing, i hate those fucking antijumps in the end >_> come on, the music is like this

11t wrote:

Hello!

[Regou's Extra]

This one is too difficult for me to play through, sorry! I can't tell if there are actual issues with the map or if I'm just bad orz
I'll point out a few graphical things that you can consider fixing.

00:26:201 (2,3,4,5) - Maybe fix this square? o.o this one should be okay

00:38:951 (10) - Curvature is deeper than curvature of preceding stream. oh well nice catch

00:52:451 (1) - Tilt downwards to be consistent with the rest of the figure 8. :O not sure but trying to do something with this

01:39:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Might look nicer as a converted circle slider. sure

02:55:601 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Pentagon pattern could be neater. Yup

[General]

You might've noticed that pretty much everything I've pointed out is graphical. This is because the spacing, note placement, object selection, rhythm, etc. are all very solid, so great job!

Haya wrote:

SPOILER

[General]

1. The Timing seems to be off at the beginning. I put a Timing Point here 00:02:330 - and the Timing seems to be fixed although I am not really confident in my Timing skills so please contact a Timing Pro or someone like that.
2. Could you lower the volume of the Caution and Caution2? They almost make the song unhearable :S
3. 02:59:051 - How about putting a Normal-Default Inherited Point with ~45% volume?

Sephibro wrote:

SPOILER

[General]
from ranking criteria:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes. You can use hitsounds from the Custom Hitsound Library or easily find others online. Lowering the volume of a few notes to provide a dampened effect is usually fine, but complete silence is always unacceptable. The end of a spinner (or even the entire spinner) the sliding sound of a slider, and the end of a slider can be silent, but only do it if it makes sense. Finally, you cannot silence both slider ticks and slider slides together.

the soft-hitnormal you are using is not audible on some parts, especially in the beginning of lunatic and extra diffs. I suggest changing it or raising the volume in those parts.

Pls tell me that bg isn't nsfw and it can be ranked, it's awesome! Not nsfw :p

Saten wrote:

@Regou
I think you should go OD10 challenge while I go 8
Think will also fix the diff rating bug lol

And instead of the regular Normal sample-set, you should use N:C3