Rantai. You know better than this. If you had honestly gotten bomb as your role you would have claimed something else to draw the nk.Rantai wrote:
Well ok. This'll screw me out of any usefulness for my role but what the hey.
Roleclaim: Bomb - when I am killed at night I kill my killer with me.
Well, I saw this as giving away for nothing...0_o wrote:
So are we actually going to role claim or did I give my role away for nothing?
Maybe he have role higher than this, like Cop or Doctor. He tried to safe himself with scares the mafias. But still... I like what Nyquill said in there...Nyquill wrote:
Rantai. You know better than this. If you had honestly gotten bomb as your role you would have claimed something else to draw the nk.
Unless you are scum.
Then what do you suppose we can do? Contribute something new so we have SOMETHING to go on besides the easy option of voting for the easy claim.Rantai wrote:
You see the problem here, you guys are latching on to something that is far too easy (Not to bring in the meta but I am not stupid enough to roleclaim bomb as a mafia) and as a result are going to completely waste this day and lynch.
I mean you guys are barely making an effort to do anything at the moment.
This is rubbing me terribly wrong right now. Asking a useless question as first post + contributing nothing except "I posted before the day ended".Makar wrote:
yooooooooooooooo sup
I posted before the day ended this time
faceman scary :<
So mass claim or no? :v Maybe doing it on the first day is best so that we don't leave anybody out?
)but not allowed to reveal any new information you might have been keeping.But I think he'll let it slide~
nope, IMO bus drivers can't self-target unless they're told they canNoHitter wrote:
Mod: Can a bus driver target himself?
Now the mafia has a guaranteed kill tomorrow if we don't lose today...Having more "lives" really doesn't help us though. Assuming it's 2v5, if the nightkill didn't go through on N1, that leaves us at 2v4, which is still LyLo unless the nightkill failed again the next night. We would end up nolynching Day 2, and end up at the same place we are now, with the sole benefit of having an extra Watcher result, assuming you survived and had successful actions.Lincolm wrote:
Bulletproof which means cannot be killed by mafia for a time? Maybe because of we lack of number, our mod giving 2 lives (if right time) for 2 people which this same with 4 townies (so we not out of number in this game), so maybe there is 2 mafias in here. Well, just my analyze...
I watch you last night... Because I really thinking you are the one who will get killed in first day. Like what NH said there... Your role really deadly.0_o wrote:
Actually.. Lincolm, who did you watch last night?
Well, I edit my message. Just wonder, I don't breaking any rules right? I don't want to be modkilled because I tell what the result is.NoHitter wrote:
What's your result Lincolm?
OK. Thanks for the information. The answer is YOU.NoHitter wrote:
You can reveal your results if you're alive.
Only the dead can't reveal any additional information.
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v0_o wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
This leaves foul, Nyquill and Makar, thus three possible pairs: foul + Nyquill, foul + Makar, and Makar + Nyquill
This means that at least one of the BP townies is lying. Out of the two of them, I find the scenario of Nyquill being mafia while Makar being town to be fairly unlikely, since the odds of Nyquill making up that falseclaim before Makar legitimately claiming the same thing is pretty low.
So eliminating foul + Nyquill as the least possible combo, that leaves foul + Makar and Makar + Nyquill. Thus, [b]I am pretty sure that Makar is mafia.
Excuse me, you forgot that I did consider alternatives, and clearly warned makar that he's second on my list of ridiculously suspicious people. That all being said, why shouldnt I have voted you? Should I not be suspicious of a similarily easy day 1 doctor claim?Rantai wrote:
I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
is there like a language barrier here or does Lincolm really not make any sense whatsoever. can anyone tell me what hes actually been saying int hese last few posts?Lincolm wrote:
Well, I edit my message. Just wonder, I don't breaking any rules right? I don't want to be modkilled because I tell what the result is.NoHitter wrote:
What's your result Lincolm?
The result : VI IX VII
true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.Rantai wrote:
I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
Fair point. Though if there is a rolecop then I don't know what to make of it.foulcoon wrote:
true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.
It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.Makar wrote:
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
And I'm not sure why foul + Nyquill is the least possible combo to you tbh. Though I don't actually think they are the 2 mafia (assuming there is 2 mafia since it seems likely considering the roles here), I just don't see why you think its less possible or if you have a specific reason related to one of them.It's because I don't think that the scenario of Nyquill being mafia and you being innocent seems likely (for the reasons I gave in that post, and that others have already posted), and in that scenario, the mafia pair has to be Nyqull + foul.
My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.0_o wrote:
13 hours left, guys.It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.Makar wrote:
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
0_o wrote:
While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point.
Uh, did you not see this?0_o wrote:
So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
Well I guess if there are two mafia and I'm not hammered, then faceman is mafia in my eyes since I'm town.Nyquill wrote:
With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.
No, it is lylo, you can be easily faking a counter claim in an attempt to get me lynched. Your one sided thinking leads me to believe that you are trying really hard to look town.Makar wrote:
My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.
I'm the one who do the barrier lol. I like code like that.foulcoon wrote:
there like a language barrier here
Errr... I don't FoS BP townie... Because I think they both honest.foulcoon wrote:
what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim
)But still, if this role is a fake role (which he write up), I can claim as early as I can.NoHitter wrote:
0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.NoHitter wrote:
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
Because there is 2 people who claim this, I believe Nyquill in here because he claim first, except there is mafia like a cop, who can seeing another people role.NoHitter wrote:
Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
As mafia, I don't think I will claim the same role like Nyquill. Seeing the first day vote like that, without no defense Rantai can give, I won't claim the same role except Makar is honest, except he is truly gambling mafia. This is why I believe him.NoHitter wrote:
Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
Wait wait wait you're right. In BOTH CASES regardless of faceman or makar being scum, and me or makar being scum, foulcoon is in BOTH those equations.Lincolm wrote:
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.NoHitter wrote:
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)0_o wrote:
I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
You're funny.Makar wrote:
Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
I don't see the danger could be hammered if we could prove that we are not scum. And also, my role is as danger as bomb, cop, and bus-driver. I don't think I would survive in this night. We both know 1 of you are mafia, but still unclear.Makar wrote:
Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet. Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more.
I'm pretty sure Nyquill didn't vote Makar Day 1?Lincolm wrote:
1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
I thought we were massclaiming that day; I was waiting for everyone else to roleclaim before making a vote. By the time it was determined that we weren't, Rantai already had 2 votes on him so there really wasn't a point to throwing another one on.Lincolm wrote:
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)0_o wrote:
I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.Lincolm wrote:
By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
Honestly, I see this as a really bad last ditch effort to try to look town. But again, I'm waiting to see what lincolm says first.Makar wrote:
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.Lincolm wrote:
By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
Meh we'll see what happens I guess.
If foul is town then we lose, and if foul is mafia I'll probably be painted because it seems like I defended him even though I was just trying to be safe and wanted to vote based on something that is fact instead of speculation
)What assumptions in what post?NoHitter wrote:
At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
I didn't assume anything; I just said what I think is the most likely scenario. If you're asking why I think that, then here:NoHitter wrote:
That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
)foulcoon is inactive, so there was most likely miscommunication. I do not want to believe faceman is mafia simply because of him not being hammered anymore because of this. However, he is making a huge assumption and so he is suspicious to me because of that instead.Makar wrote:
Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
For heaven's sake I really thought my dumbsickness happen! Because I wanted to watch myself but not allowed so I change to watch Makar. And the result I watch myself! I think of this for 2 hours until I read your post!0_o wrote:
I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
OK. Seeing our role :Rantai wrote:
I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
If Makar is mafia, this is also kind of plan to make the other people sure that "we are not working together". So yes, this is to make distance from his scumbuddy.Rantai wrote:
If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
Would you like to share more options?0_o wrote:
Now sure, something else could have happened
So I assume if Makar is mafia so :Makar wrote:
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
Actually, you have to remember that roleblocker has to actually TARGET the person for the block to take effect. Remember that the bomb is a PASSIVE role.Lincolm wrote:
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
Makar wrote:
uh, what? there was no kill or shot last night that we know of. Why ask if he can use both?
Hi. You're BP. You forgot your own role. Congratulations.Makar wrote:
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Makar wrote:
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
I seriously cannot tell if you are trolling right now.Makar wrote:
Okay, by targeted I meant FoS. If faceman is mafia, he used his bus INSTEAD of trying to kill, which explains why neither of us got a notification and that lincolm confirmed the bus
So yeah, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
yesNyquill wrote:
Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?
yesMakar wrote:
Mod: Do BPs get a notification about blocking a kill at night?
For day 1, it was telling me that 0_o was targeted by NoHitter.Nyquill wrote:
Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
Makar wrote:
So then, I go back to the idea that he did not night kill in order to try to get me Lynched easier :v nothing really changes
