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Vote: Rantai
anyone else feel like the banter between Rantai and 0_o about massclaiming was sort of scripted?
anyone else feel like the banter between Rantai and 0_o about massclaiming was sort of scripted?
Honestly, no not really.foulcoon wrote:
Vote: Rantai
anyone else feel like the banter between Rantai and 0_o about massclaiming was sort of scripted?
Guys guys a mass claim would generate way more information in a game like this. Even if we don't get a target to vote for we would get an idea of what is going on after night 1 ends.
And fucking prod: makar
If we don't get any clue0_o wrote:
You would like that, wouldn't you.
So, start the massclaim? I prefer start it too...
Topic Starter
Makar has been prodded
Votecount:
Makar (1): 0_o
Rantai (1): foulcoon
The deadline is in 30 hours.
Votecount:
Makar (1): 0_o
Rantai (1): foulcoon
The deadline is in 30 hours.
Well ok. This'll screw me out of any usefulness for my role but what the hey.
Roleclaim: Bomb - when I am killed at night I kill my killer with me.
Roleclaim: Bomb - when I am killed at night I kill my killer with me.
yooooooooooooooo sup
I posted before the day ended this time
faceman scary :<
So mass claim or no? :v Maybe doing it on the first day is best so that we don't leave anybody out?
I posted before the day ended this time
faceman scary :<
So mass claim or no? :v Maybe doing it on the first day is best so that we don't leave anybody out?
I don't suppose we could request more time, could we?
Topic Starter
I don't see why not0_o wrote:
I don't suppose we could request more time, could we?
Day has been extended by 24 hours. The deadline is in 30 hours.
I'd say we go ahead with the mass claim because right now we are going no where.
still having trouble trusting rantai and 0_oRantai wrote:
I'd say we go ahead with the mass claim because right now we are going no where.
Rantai pushes for massclaim and claims a role that would explain why he isn't being nightkilled and tries to prevent being voted for, and 0_o was reluctant to massclaim before that. If it is pretty much unanimous I'll claim tomorrow after I wake up.
I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.foulcoon wrote:
Rantai wrote:
Rantai pushes for massclaim and claims a role that would explain why he isn't being nightkilled and tries to prevent being voted for, and 0_o was reluctant to massclaim before that.
Regarding me though, like I said I was more opposed to massclaiming due to it making the game less interesting than for strategic reasons. At this point it seems like it's the only real viable option since I doubt we're going to make that much progress in the next 24 hours.
So yeah. I'm a 1-shot Bus Driver.
EDIT: Actually, just noticed this:
I don't know if this even means anything, but "having trouble trusting" is really bizarre wording at this stage in the game. You should have trouble trusting everyone right now, shouldn't you? The only ones who really can trust anyone are mafia.foulcoon wrote:
still having trouble trusting rantai and 0_o
Maybe I'm thinking too much, but I dunno. Just stood out to me somehow.
Rantai. You know better than this. If you had honestly gotten bomb as your role you would have claimed something else to draw the nk.Rantai wrote:
Well ok. This'll screw me out of any usefulness for my role but what the hey.
Roleclaim: Bomb - when I am killed at night I kill my killer with me.
Unless you are scum.
Vote: Rantai
And starts the wifom. Even better though, bus me into a night kill and hilarity will ensue on my part.
In seriousness though, it's better not to lie at this stage because if I'm called out on a fakeclaim (role cop, cc etc) then we're going to be very confused. With the potential of only having 1 safe lynch, yeah.
In seriousness though, it's better not to lie at this stage because if I'm called out on a fakeclaim (role cop, cc etc) then we're going to be very confused. With the potential of only having 1 safe lynch, yeah.
Topic Starter
Votecount:
Rantai (2): foulcoon, Nyquill
Makar (1): 0_o
The deadline is in 9 hours.
Rantai (2): foulcoon, Nyquill
Makar (1): 0_o
The deadline is in 9 hours.
So are we actually going to role claim or did I give my role away for nothing?
Mmm 9 hours, still nothing.
If we're going to stay silent then at least do something on the next day. Luckily I can still talk tomorrow so lynching me now is fine (albeit a waste).
I'll throw out my suspicions tomorrow.
If we're going to stay silent then at least do something on the next day. Luckily I can still talk tomorrow so lynching me now is fine (albeit a waste).
I'll throw out my suspicions tomorrow.
Well, I saw this as giving away for nothing...0_o wrote:
So are we actually going to role claim or did I give my role away for nothing?
And we still don't have any clue except something suspicious about Rantai
Maybe he have role higher than this, like Cop or Doctor. He tried to safe himself with scares the mafias. But still... I like what Nyquill said in there...Nyquill wrote:
Rantai. You know better than this. If you had honestly gotten bomb as your role you would have claimed something else to draw the nk.
Unless you are scum.
You see the problem here, you guys are latching on to something that is far too easy (Not to bring in the meta but I am not stupid enough to roleclaim bomb as a mafia) and as a result are going to completely waste this day and lynch.
I mean you guys are barely making an effort to do anything at the moment.
I mean you guys are barely making an effort to do anything at the moment.
Then what do you suppose we can do? Contribute something new so we have SOMETHING to go on besides the easy option of voting for the easy claim.Rantai wrote:
You see the problem here, you guys are latching on to something that is far too easy (Not to bring in the meta but I am not stupid enough to roleclaim bomb as a mafia) and as a result are going to completely waste this day and lynch.
I mean you guys are barely making an effort to do anything at the moment.
This is rubbing me terribly wrong right now. Asking a useless question as first post + contributing nothing except "I posted before the day ended".Makar wrote:
yooooooooooooooo sup
I posted before the day ended this time
faceman scary :<
So mass claim or no? :v Maybe doing it on the first day is best so that we don't leave anybody out?
So same goes to you makar. Contribute something before I change my mind on rantai.
Topic Starter
10 hours late orz
After much arguing everyone decided Rantai had something to do with this, hence they decided Rantai was the first to be lynched. Then they took a second look and found a rather large bomb under Rantai's bed. It appeared to be completely inactive with no obvious way to activate it, and no one would have known how it was activated except for the fact that he had told them earlier. It appears he was telling the truth.
Rantai - Bomb - Lynched D1
It is now Night 1. All players with night actions have 28 hours to send in their actions. (4 extra hours cause I won't be here in 24 hours
)
After much arguing everyone decided Rantai had something to do with this, hence they decided Rantai was the first to be lynched. Then they took a second look and found a rather large bomb under Rantai's bed. It appeared to be completely inactive with no obvious way to activate it, and no one would have known how it was activated except for the fact that he had told them earlier. It appears he was telling the truth.
Rantai - Bomb - Lynched D1
It is now Night 1. All players with night actions have 28 hours to send in their actions. (4 extra hours cause I won't be here in 24 hours
)
Topic Starter
Everyone woke up to find out someone was missing. Then they looked out the window and saw there was a graveyard in the back yard. Most of the spots were empty but they saw Rantai's name written on the first one. Then they saw NoHItter's name written on the second one.
Then everyone noticed two of the fully grown trees around the graveyard had randomly disappeared and saw Rantai and NoHItter randomly standing in the hallway. No one knew how, but that's what happened.
NoHItter - Doctor - Nightkilled N1
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 120 hours.
Then everyone noticed two of the fully grown trees around the graveyard had randomly disappeared and saw Rantai and NoHItter randomly standing in the hallway. No one knew how, but that's what happened.
NoHItter - Doctor - Nightkilled N1
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 120 hours.
Bah I guess lurking was too out of character for me for people not to be suspicious.
Edit: Yeah sorry about that xD
Edit: Yeah sorry about that xD
but not allowed to reveal any new information you might have been keeping.But I think he'll let it slide~
Topic Starter
haha, I didn't see what he posted, but I'll let it (and the edit too) go XD
31 hours. The 2 dead people are the only 2 who have said anything.
Hmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmm.
I'd like to know why faceman wasn't killed with his bus driver claim.
A bus driver is potentially a deadly role for mafia to not kill.
Mod: Can a bus driver target himself?
A bus driver is potentially a deadly role for mafia to not kill.
Mod: Can a bus driver target himself?
I think they'd be more concerned about a cop to be honest.
Considering no one knew who was what, there wasn't a very big chance that a 1 shot bus driver was going to reverse a kill.
Considering no one knew who was what, there wasn't a very big chance that a 1 shot bus driver was going to reverse a kill.
I did not use my bus drive. My PM does not say that I cannot bus drive myself, so I am assuming that I can.
Ok, seeing as it very well could be LyLo, I'm thinking that the rest of the massclaim should happen today.
Ok, seeing as it very well could be LyLo, I'm thinking that the rest of the massclaim should happen today.
^ It should considering we're at Ly-Lo.
While not absolute definately more than likely we are at lylo right now.
Well then,
Roleclaim: 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie
I realize the problem with me revealing this now is that I could very well get painted for the very same reasons I voted rantai. But I personally think me claiming this now is a much better option considering we are at LYLO and even if we hit mafia today we'll end up with 4p if I end up getting hit so we'll probably end up no-lynching anyways. All in all a better time than rantai (seriously).
Well then,
Roleclaim: 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie
I realize the problem with me revealing this now is that I could very well get painted for the very same reasons I voted rantai. But I personally think me claiming this now is a much better option considering we are at LYLO and even if we hit mafia today we'll end up with 4p if I end up getting hit so we'll probably end up no-lynching anyways. All in all a better time than rantai (seriously).
In the end, irrelevant because we got our doctor killed. Could have been avoided if we had simply setup a plan on day 1.
Well, better late than never. Except we don't have a second chance.
Well, better late than never. Except we don't have a second chance.
Topic Starter
nope, IMO bus drivers can't self-target unless they're told they canNoHitter wrote:
Mod: Can a bus driver target himself?
The deadline is in 75 hours.
Aww, why did you have to ask, NoHItter 
Now the mafia has a guaranteed kill tomorrow if we don't lose today...
Now the mafia has a guaranteed kill tomorrow if we don't lose today.....We have two bulletproof townies?
Role: 1-shot Bulletproof Townie
bleh I know I'm going to be fos'd because of my inactivity >.>
My opinions don't differ much from what has been said honestly. It's strange how the bus driver was not killed but at the same time it could be on purpose so people become suspicious.
Derp my contribution sucks too.
Role: 1-shot Bulletproof Townie
bleh I know I'm going to be fos'd because of my inactivity >.>
My opinions don't differ much from what has been said honestly. It's strange how the bus driver was not killed but at the same time it could be on purpose so people become suspicious.
Derp my contribution sucks too.
So wait. So far we have a bomb, a doctor, a bus driver, and two bulletproof townies?
Either someone is lying, or this setup gave hilarious odds against successful nightkills.
Either someone is lying, or this setup gave hilarious odds against successful nightkills.
As of now, I think the best choice of action is to lynch one of the two BP townies.
Unless some other suspicious thing shows up in the last two claims.
Unless some other suspicious thing shows up in the last two claims.
That might balance out the small numbers but.... with a doctor too? I don't think so.
Roleclaim : Watcher
Sorry for my inactivity. No denial about this. I got busy for 2 days.
Bulletproof which means cannot be killed by mafia for a time? Maybe because of we lack of number, our mod giving 2 lives (if right time) for 2 people which this same with 4 townies (so we not out of number in this game), so maybe there is 2 mafias in here. Well, just my analyze...
So I assume as 2-4 townies (if right time), 1 doctor, 2 mafia, 1 bomb, and1 watcherMe (So there is 7-9 lives in here)
Sorry, but this make me FoS : 0_o and Foulcoon, but I really don't understand why our mod gave answer when he was given a question about bus-driver? Seems he is really 1-shot bus-driver. Again, just my analyze...
This analyze is positively wrong if I was wrong to define bulletproof. Maybe only 6 people vs 1 mafias also, so I can't denial this.
Sorry for my inactivity. No denial about this. I got busy for 2 days.
Bulletproof which means cannot be killed by mafia for a time? Maybe because of we lack of number, our mod giving 2 lives (if right time) for 2 people which this same with 4 townies (so we not out of number in this game), so maybe there is 2 mafias in here. Well, just my analyze...
So I assume as 2-4 townies (if right time), 1 doctor, 2 mafia, 1 bomb, and
Sorry, but this make me FoS : 0_o and Foulcoon, but I really don't understand why our mod gave answer when he was given a question about bus-driver? Seems he is really 1-shot bus-driver. Again, just my analyze...
This analyze is positively wrong if I was wrong to define bulletproof. Maybe only 6 people vs 1 mafias also, so I can't denial this.
Hi.
Prod: Foulcoon
We need you to claim
Prod: Foulcoon
We need you to claim
sorry, I kinda forgot about this game :S thanks for the reminder
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
so it looks like I'm the only person who isn't "special".
I think 2 bulletproof townies is unlikely, but I don't think mafia would be stupid enough to just both claim the same thing. If we vote off Makar and he turns out mafia, Nyquill could very well be mafia as well. I don't think its smart to vote for Nyquill, at least not before seeing if Makar is legit.
I also think its important to mention that a bus driver with multiple bulletproofs in the game can essentially function as a doctor. What is the likelyhood that there are ACTUALLY 2 bulletproof townies, a bus driver, AND a doctor?
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
so it looks like I'm the only person who isn't "special".
I think 2 bulletproof townies is unlikely, but I don't think mafia would be stupid enough to just both claim the same thing. If we vote off Makar and he turns out mafia, Nyquill could very well be mafia as well. I don't think its smart to vote for Nyquill, at least not before seeing if Makar is legit.
I also think its important to mention that a bus driver with multiple bulletproofs in the game can essentially function as a doctor. What is the likelyhood that there are ACTUALLY 2 bulletproof townies, a bus driver, AND a doctor?
to add to the above:
i just read that 0_o is only 1-shot bus driver, which makes it seem a bit more likely but still seems a bit too town favored
i just read that 0_o is only 1-shot bus driver, which makes it seem a bit more likely but still seems a bit too town favored
Having more "lives" really doesn't help us though. Assuming it's 2v5, if the nightkill didn't go through on N1, that leaves us at 2v4, which is still LyLo unless the nightkill failed again the next night. We would end up nolynching Day 2, and end up at the same place we are now, with the sole benefit of having an extra Watcher result, assuming you survived and had successful actions.Lincolm wrote:
Bulletproof which means cannot be killed by mafia for a time? Maybe because of we lack of number, our mod giving 2 lives (if right time) for 2 people which this same with 4 townies (so we not out of number in this game), so maybe there is 2 mafias in here. Well, just my analyze...
Anyway, the rest of my thoughts. The very presence of a bomb makes me fairly confident there are 2 mafia, so I'm going to assume this is the case.
Seeing as Lincolm is the only investigative role claimed, I think it's safe to say that he is most likely town.
This leaves foul, Nyquill and Makar, thus three possible pairs: foul + Nyquill, foul + Makar, and Makar + Nyquill
This means that at least one of the BP townies is lying. Out of the two of them, I find the scenario of Nyquill being mafia while Makar being town to be fairly unlikely, since the odds of Nyquill making up that falseclaim before Makar legitimately claiming the same thing is pretty low.
So eliminating foul + Nyquill as the least possible combo, that leaves foul + Makar and Makar + Nyquill. Thus, I am pretty sure that Makar is mafia.
I know I didn't factor myself into any of the possibilities; I'm just expressing my point of view. Thoughts?
Actually.. Lincolm, who did you watch last night?
I watch you last night... Because I really thinking you are the one who will get killed in first day. Like what NH said there... Your role really deadly.0_o wrote:
Actually.. Lincolm, who did you watch last night?
I'd like to know why faceman wasn't killed with his bus driver claim
But still, watcher role doesn't like a cop. I can't tell further than this as the mafia rule said, maybe(?)
What's your result Lincolm?
Well, I edit my message. Just wonder, I don't breaking any rules right? I don't want to be modkilled because I tell what the result is.NoHitter wrote:
What's your result Lincolm?
The result : VI IX VII
You can reveal your results if you're alive.
Only the dead can't reveal any additional information.
Only the dead can't reveal any additional information.
OK. Thanks for the information. The answer is YOU.NoHitter wrote:
You can reveal your results if you're alive.
Only the dead can't reveal any additional information.
I don't know about you guys, but this Lincolm person seems pretty trustworthy.
Anyway, I suggest voting off either Makar or Nyquill.
Anyway, I suggest voting off either Makar or Nyquill.
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v0_o wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
This leaves foul, Nyquill and Makar, thus three possible pairs: foul + Nyquill, foul + Makar, and Makar + Nyquill
This means that at least one of the BP townies is lying. Out of the two of them, I find the scenario of Nyquill being mafia while Makar being town to be fairly unlikely, since the odds of Nyquill making up that falseclaim before Makar legitimately claiming the same thing is pretty low.
So eliminating foul + Nyquill as the least possible combo, that leaves foul + Makar and Makar + Nyquill. Thus, [b]I am pretty sure that Makar is mafia.
And I'm not sure why foul + Nyquill is the least possible combo to you tbh. Though I don't actually think they are the 2 mafia (assuming there is 2 mafia since it seems likely considering the roles here), I just don't see why you think its less possible or if you have a specific reason related to one of them.
Sigh being inactive on a forum mafia game sucks
I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
Excuse me, you forgot that I did consider alternatives, and clearly warned makar that he's second on my list of ridiculously suspicious people. That all being said, why shouldnt I have voted you? Should I not be suspicious of a similarily easy day 1 doctor claim?Rantai wrote:
I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
is there like a language barrier here or does Lincolm really not make any sense whatsoever. can anyone tell me what hes actually been saying int hese last few posts?Lincolm wrote:
Well, I edit my message. Just wonder, I don't breaking any rules right? I don't want to be modkilled because I tell what the result is.NoHitter wrote:
What's your result Lincolm?
The result : VI IX VII
true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.Rantai wrote:
I'd trust Lincolm too. Call it intuition.
I'm actually more inclined to suggest Nyquill just because he pushed so hard on my lynch without considering any alternatives.
"Oh look convenient claim, this should get by without suspicion"
Some random speculation here:
Although there are fake claims within the claims we have right now, one thing is certain. Mafia has to have at least one role canceling power role. I'm assuming that mafia has a strongman, roleblocker, or both.
Although there are fake claims within the claims we have right now, one thing is certain. Mafia has to have at least one role canceling power role. I'm assuming that mafia has a strongman, roleblocker, or both.
With less than 24 hours on the clock, let me also put up whats on the table right now.
With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.
Also, faceman probably didn't die because it would be an obvious target for a role canceler. I am now also guessing that mafia likely has a rolecop (with all the bombs and BP townies bus drivers doctors whatnot).
With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.
Also, faceman probably didn't die because it would be an obvious target for a role canceler. I am now also guessing that mafia likely has a rolecop (with all the bombs and BP townies bus drivers doctors whatnot).
Fair point. Though if there is a rolecop then I don't know what to make of it.foulcoon wrote:
true, but what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim before a legit one came around as Makar. Its more likely that Makar is mafia, or that both of them are mafia using the same claim.
13 hours left, guys.
While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point. So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.Makar wrote:
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
And I'm not sure why foul + Nyquill is the least possible combo to you tbh. Though I don't actually think they are the 2 mafia (assuming there is 2 mafia since it seems likely considering the roles here), I just don't see why you think its less possible or if you have a specific reason related to one of them.It's because I don't think that the scenario of Nyquill being mafia and you being innocent seems likely (for the reasons I gave in that post, and that others have already posted), and in that scenario, the mafia pair has to be Nyqull + foul.
While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point. So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.0_o wrote:
13 hours left, guys.It's not quite the same, since having 2 BP townies, while a little unorthodox, isn't completely unheard of nor out of the question; having duplicate power roles like Doctor, especially in a game this small, just wouldn't happen.Makar wrote:
I do agree having 2BP townies is pretty weird, why would I fake claim something like that if I were mafia? If (for example) the role was something more like a doctor it'd be as if I'm CCing, and it would be unsafe for me to purposely claim his role if I were mafia. The same kinda applies here as well :v
0_o wrote:
While it IS possible they rollcop'd Makar last night and stole his roleclaim, based on the limited information we have, I still believe he is still the most likely mafia candidate at this point.
Wow, I didn't even think of this, I figured it was just a regular claim (there could actually be 2BP Townies) or a regular fakeclaim that somebody else happened to have lol
Uh, did you not see this?0_o wrote:
So I'm going to take the plunge and vote Makar.
Well I guess if there are two mafia and I'm not hammered, then faceman is mafia in my eyes since I'm town.Nyquill wrote:
With 5 alive, 3 to lynch, likely 2 scum, we need all 3 town to agree with who is scum to vote.
Scum can hammer snipe if one town votes wrong.
EDIT: About 10 hours left. If I'm not hammered and faceman is mafia, mafia will still win since I was voted first. This whole thing is very suspicious to me, so because of that: Vote: faceman
So it's up to the rest of town to decide (hoping they see this in time)
Topic Starter
Votecount:
Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar
oops sorry, I was supposed to post a warning when there were just 24 hours left, but I forgot. so to make up for it, day has been extended by 24 hours.
The deadline is in 25 hours.
Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar
oops sorry, I was supposed to post a warning when there were just 24 hours left, but I forgot. so to make up for it, day has been extended by 24 hours.
The deadline is in 25 hours.
Seriously guys? Is anyone actually playing this game?
... I don't think so.
I can't even say "Either Makar or faceman is Mafia" since it could be because the lack of voting is mafia being inactive.
I can't even say "Either Makar or faceman is Mafia" since it could be because the lack of voting is mafia being inactive.
Well seeing as trying to get some discussion going gets you lynched....
Well then let the dead people start the discussion!
/me points at Rantai.
On a more serious note:
Lincolm - most likely town because of role and confirmed knowledge
0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
/me points at Rantai.
On a more serious note:
Lincolm - most likely town because of role and confirmed knowledge
0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
Unless Lincolm and faceman are pulling off some really good claims, I think the possibilities are limited to me, foulcoon, and makar.
So let me eliminate one of those combinations (from the general prospective, not my PoV,) right away. Me and makar would be impossible (or ridiculously stupid) because both of us claiming the same thing would be raising suspicion.
That leaves me and foulcoon, and foulcoon and makar.
I know myself to be a 1-shot bulletproof townie. So from my PoV I am pretty sure that foulcoon and Makar are BOTH scum.
Two things I can point out is that foulcoon claimed vanilla townie LAST. I am pretty sure its because he wanted to see if lincolm watched his target at night, so to not reveal his real identity. Secondly, makar, provided a less than mediocre first day contribution, and that his reasoning is flawed for his defence.
And also, I'm pretty sure we can say one of makar and faceman is scum, because scum would definately be more interested in this. Inactivity is what they want in the town, so they would be lurking. Just so happens that foulcoon and makar have both been lurking quite extensively besides that vote from foulcoon day 1. They would be here to hammer snipe for one of them.
So here goes nothing. Vote: Makar
So let me eliminate one of those combinations (from the general prospective, not my PoV,) right away. Me and makar would be impossible (or ridiculously stupid) because both of us claiming the same thing would be raising suspicion.
That leaves me and foulcoon, and foulcoon and makar.
I know myself to be a 1-shot bulletproof townie. So from my PoV I am pretty sure that foulcoon and Makar are BOTH scum.
Two things I can point out is that foulcoon claimed vanilla townie LAST. I am pretty sure its because he wanted to see if lincolm watched his target at night, so to not reveal his real identity. Secondly, makar, provided a less than mediocre first day contribution, and that his reasoning is flawed for his defence.
No, it is lylo, you can be easily faking a counter claim in an attempt to get me lynched. Your one sided thinking leads me to believe that you are trying really hard to look town.Makar wrote:
My point is that it is unsafe to do so and you have proven that by voting for me. I knew that I would be fos'd but what can I do about that? Lie about my role? It still doesn't make sense to me.
And also, I'm pretty sure we can say one of makar and faceman is scum, because scum would definately be more interested in this. Inactivity is what they want in the town, so they would be lurking. Just so happens that foulcoon and makar have both been lurking quite extensively besides that vote from foulcoon day 1. They would be here to hammer snipe for one of them.
So here goes nothing. Vote: Makar
I'm the one who do the barrier lol. I like code like that.foulcoon wrote:
there like a language barrier here
Errr... I don't FoS BP townie... Because I think they both honest.foulcoon wrote:
what are the odds he thought of a bulletproof townie fake claim
So here my analyze : (Not sorry for long post!
)But still, if this role is a fake role (which he write up), I can claim as early as I can.NoHitter wrote:
0_o - willing to trust because of early claim
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.NoHitter wrote:
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
Because there is 2 people who claim this, I believe Nyquill in here because he claim first, except there is mafia like a cop, who can seeing another people role.NoHitter wrote:
Nyquill - suspicious due to double BP claim with Makar.
As mafia, I don't think I will claim the same role like Nyquill. Seeing the first day vote like that, without no defense Rantai can give, I won't claim the same role except Makar is honest, except he is truly gambling mafia. This is why I believe him.NoHitter wrote:
Makar - suspicious due to double BP claim with Nyquill.
If they are mafias, they already write up the role in beginning to answer the roleclaim, so if 1 of them are died, there is still 1 mafia alive without suspected. This is really crazy, almost-likely not happen...
I don't find any again. All above just my analyze.
So here the roleclaim list (I sort in who claim it first):
0_o - 1-shot Bus Driver
Nyquill - 1-shot Bulletproof
Makar - 1-shot Bulletproof
Lincolm - Watcher
foulcoon - Village Townie
Wait wait wait you're right. In BOTH CASES regardless of faceman or makar being scum, and me or makar being scum, foulcoon is in BOTH those equations.Lincolm wrote:
This is why I believe he is a mafia. He doesn't defend of his claim also, like saying "I never be suspected, they are busy enough to not suspect me". This role is the safest and the most suspicious role.NoHitter wrote:
foulcoon - null read. VT claim looks like a "safe" claim after everyone else claim a PR. I wouldn't put it past pieguy to make a role madness game where everyone is a PR.
Unvote
Holding on to my vote for a second, I need to think this through again.
Another (late) analyze
Based on first day post:
1 day history :
1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
2> 0_o vote Makar - Day 2 they fight each other so 1 of them mafia.
3> foulcoon vote Rantai
4> Nyquill vote Rantai
- foulcoon + Nyquill almost not possible. 2 mafia vote same people in day 1? this would make them suspicious. I like to say 1 of them mafia.
This mafias condition make this possibility :
0_o + foulcoon
0_o + Nyquill
Makar + foulcoon
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"
So this is why I still on my FoS.
By the way, if you don't trust the answer of my watching in day 1, you can add me in the mafias condition, but yes, the result of my watching is NoHitter (as doctor).
Based on first day post:
1 day history :
1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
2> 0_o vote Makar - Day 2 they fight each other so 1 of them mafia.
3> foulcoon vote Rantai
4> Nyquill vote Rantai
- foulcoon + Nyquill almost not possible. 2 mafia vote same people in day 1? this would make them suspicious. I like to say 1 of them mafia.
This mafias condition make this possibility :
0_o + foulcoon
0_o + Nyquill
Makar + foulcoon
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)0_o wrote:
I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"
So this is why I still on my FoS.
By the way, if you don't trust the answer of my watching in day 1, you can add me in the mafias condition, but yes, the result of my watching is NoHitter (as doctor).
0_o - most likely mafia to me, seeing as I was voted for so easily without a very strong reason. Also, I have not been hammered yet.
Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
Lincolm - seem pretty town to me
foulcool - null for now
EDIT: @Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet.
Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more. Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
foulcoon please contribute your thoughts orz
Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
Lincolm - seem pretty town to me
foulcool - null for now
EDIT: @Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet.
Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more. Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
foulcoon please contribute your thoughts orz
You're funny.Makar wrote:
Nyquill - suspecious to me simply because of the BP townie claim, but also because of the quickvote/unvote/failing to realize what he said about foulcoon.
I'm saying that in the case that you are not scum, foulcoon has to be scum either way. I simply did not vote him yet because adding someone into the vote pool makes it 3 that can be potentially quick hammered. I needed to think about whether or not potentially other scum teams exist.
But you know what? Now that lincolm has voted him, and I don't see scum trying to hammer him in, you know what I'm going to do?
Vote: Foulcoon
For the reasons stated in my previous post. No matter what the scum team is, foulcoon is in ALL of them.
Topic Starter
Votecount:
foulcoon (2): Lincolm, Nyquill
Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar
The deadline is in 7 hours and 18 minutes.
foulcoon (2): Lincolm, Nyquill
Makar (1): 0_o
0_o (1): Makar
The deadline is in 7 hours and 18 minutes.
I don't see the danger could be hammered if we could prove that we are not scum. And also, my role is as danger as bomb, cop, and bus-driver. I don't think I would survive in this night. We both know 1 of you are mafia, but still unclear.Makar wrote:
Lincolm, please remember that a wrong vote could be hammered. I don't think its safe to vote foulcoon yet. Really I think you guys should consider me/faceman more.
OK this is why the reason I don't vote both of you :
If 0_o really bus driver, we still have a change to bus mafia in night 2, and we know he will drive you, except you are mafia godfather. If he don't use his bus drive, we know he mafia.
If you really BP, it means the last mafia will only looking for me, the one who can't save herself.
If he don't after me, this is kind of 33/66, i must find the mafia after for.
So in this case, we better case the other mafia. With only 1 mafia between Nyquill, foulcoon, and me, (of course I not vote myself), I found foulcoon is the most suspicious in here as mafia. We still have a change to win if we find the other mafia.
By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
Edit : I hate dopost so better edit...
I will fell guilty if Nyquill really Mafia Cop or got lucky with his fakeclaim...
I'm pretty sure Nyquill didn't vote Makar Day 1?Lincolm wrote:
1> Nyquill vote Makar, unvoted - it's clear Nyquill + Makar impossible to happen (Day 2 this happen also)
I thought we were massclaiming that day; I was waiting for everyone else to roleclaim before making a vote. By the time it was determined that we weren't, Rantai already had 2 votes on him so there really wasn't a point to throwing another one on.Lincolm wrote:
(This quote is a reply of foulcoon vote and this is before Nyquill vote Rantai)0_o wrote:
I do agree that Rantai's claim is incredibly convenient. It seems a little odd that someone with a role that benefits from the mafia being unaware of their role is this first one to suggest and start a mass claim.
I wonder why 0_o not change his vote even though he suspect Rantai more than Makar. Seems he do this like said "I don't want vote the same people with foulcoon, because this make me and foulcoon become suspected"
Anyway, since I am pretty much positive that Makar is mafia, and he didn't hammer foul, that means that foul has to be mafia, so...
vote foul.
*crosses fingers*
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.Lincolm wrote:
By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
Meh we'll see what happens I guess.
If foul is town then we lose, and if foul is mafia I'll probably be painted because it seems like I defended him even though I was just trying to be safe and wanted to vote based on something that is fact instead of speculation
Topic Starter
Now everyone was suspicious of foulcoon. After all he went straight to his room after being trapped in the house, when they weren't supposed to be trapped in the first place, so he had to be a part of it, right?
foulcoon - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D2
It is now Night 2. All players with night actions have 24 hours to send in their actions.
foulcoon - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D2
It is now Night 2. All players with night actions have 24 hours to send in their actions.
Topic Starter
Everyone woke up expecting to find another person dead. But somehow, everything was as it was before!
No one died last night.
It is now Day 3. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 96 hours.
No one died last night.
It is now Day 3. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 96 hours.
vote Makar
I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Or maybe the mafia didn't take the shot because my-lo is better than ly-lo for them.
If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
I want lincolm to say what he did first before I make my vote
Honestly, I see this as a really bad last ditch effort to try to look town. But again, I'm waiting to see what lincolm says first.Makar wrote:
I said this because it is certain that (in your point of view) one of us is mafia, while we had nothing to prove foul as mafia besides inactivity.Lincolm wrote:
By the way, I don't know why consider you and 0_o is better. Surprisingly you trying to save foulcoon in this time...
Meh we'll see what happens I guess.
If foul is town then we lose, and if foul is mafia I'll probably be painted because it seems like I defended him even though I was just trying to be safe and wanted to vote based on something that is fact instead of speculation
Nice one Lincolm! I thought about exactly what you said about foulcoon, but didn't bother to post it anymore.
At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
Might as well go over foulcoon's statements and check who he distanced himself from. (Where is JInxy and his ISO when you need him)
At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
Might as well go over foulcoon's statements and check who he distanced himself from. (Where is JInxy and his ISO when you need him
)What assumptions in what post?NoHitter wrote:
At the moment, I'm more concerned about faceman's statement. He made pretty big assumptions in his post over there :/
That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
I didn't assume anything; I just said what I think is the most likely scenario. If you're asking why I think that, then here:NoHitter wrote:
That one.0_o wrote:
I'm guessing there was no nightkill because Makar anticipated this and didn't want to take the risk.
Why did you assume that this was the only course of action that took place?
In case it isn't clear, one of Makar and me are definitely mafia since nobody hammered us when we voted for eachother yesterday. Thus, I know Makar is mafia and he "knows" I am mafia.
So last night, Makar had 3 nightkill options: Me, Lincolm, and Nyquill. Nyquill is bulletproof, so can't kill him unless Makar's a strongman. He wouldn't kill me, since he knows I'm the only other possible mafia so my death would be his own death sentence. So Lincolm is the only one Makar would be able to kill without screwing himself over. This is public knowledge, and I assume everyone was aware of this. (Well there, I guess did assume something after all
)Thing is, he knew that I'm a bus driver. Based on the above information, I think it's very safe to say that Makar knew that I knew who his only possible target was, and that I would try to throw his kill back at him.
Now sure, something else could have happened, and if you have a better possible explanation then be my guest. But I really don't think I made any "big assumptions" here.
That really is a huge assumption there, but you are not realizing something that I didnt think of when I brought up the thing about us not being hammered. I can't use that to prove you are mafia anymore. I'll explain why below.
To be honest, I did not think foulcoon was mafia (I though it was nyquill/faceman, but I was proven wrong and shouldnt be so stupid to look over foulcoon's claim and inactivity as a factor). Because of this, the reason why nobody was hammered (if you really are town) is because (I am assuming) of something I said before:
Mafia can either choose to use their role or kill at night right? So if faceman is a mafia bus and he swapped, that would explain there being no kill last night.
Lincolm should post what his result was.
To be honest, I did not think foulcoon was mafia (I though it was nyquill/faceman, but I was proven wrong and shouldnt be so stupid to look over foulcoon's claim and inactivity as a factor). Because of this, the reason why nobody was hammered (if you really are town) is because (I am assuming) of something I said before:
foulcoon is inactive, so there was most likely miscommunication. I do not want to believe faceman is mafia simply because of him not being hammered anymore because of this. However, he is making a huge assumption and so he is suspicious to me because of that instead.Makar wrote:
Unless mafia are having serious problems with communicating, then going by the assumption there are 2 mafia, not being hammered yet should tell you something.
Mafia can either choose to use their role or kill at night right? So if faceman is a mafia bus and he swapped, that would explain there being no kill last night.
Lincolm should post what his result was.
For heaven's sake I really thought my dumbsickness happen! Because I wanted to watch myself but not allowed so I change to watch Makar. And the result I watch myself! I think of this for 2 hours until I read your post!0_o wrote:
I swapped Makar and Lincolm last night.
I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
OK. Seeing our role :Rantai wrote:
I think that there confirms faceman more or less. Unless mafia can have bus drivers?
1 Bomb
1 Doctor
1 Watcher
2 1-shot BP
1 Mafia Roleblocker
Assume 0_o as the mafia with bus-driver role. I don't think I can do something with this role as mafia...
confirms 0_o less I think.
If Makar is mafia, this is also kind of plan to make the other people sure that "we are not working together". So yes, this is to make distance from his scumbuddy.Rantai wrote:
If you look back now, foulcoon was going pretty hard on Makar. Knowing he is mafia, do you think that indicates that he was trying to defend his scumbuddy by painting another or distancing himself from his scumbuddy?
I believe Nyquill 99% town-side. Before he vote foulcoon, he vote Makar. If he mafia, he should not change this vote, so in the N2 roleblock 0_o and game over, mafia win.
After reading faceman's argument, I more or less agree that Makar looks like the last scum now.
Not to mention foulcoon attempted to scumpaint him and Rantai Day 1, which makes him look more townie now.
Not to mention foulcoon attempted to scumpaint him and Rantai Day 1, which makes him look more townie now.
To me its more like foulcoon was trying to agree with faceman to get me lynched :/
Nyquill seems town to me now. If Nyquill was mafia, I wouldnt expect him to think of the whole scenario faceman brought up and not kill at night so that me or faceman is suspicious.
I see two possibilities here:
1. facemans scenerio, saying that I expected he would bus me.
2. faceman used his role instead of a kill.
And really, If I were mafia, I probably wouldnt of been afraid to kill faceman since the hammering thing (which is the only evidence I had against him) would be invalid because of foulcoon. I would still be able to paint Nyquill I guess, but things didnt happen that way. Nyquill is town to me because of the complex thinking required from nyquill if he really were mafia. it just doesn't seem likely to me.
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
Nyquill seems town to me now. If Nyquill was mafia, I wouldnt expect him to think of the whole scenario faceman brought up and not kill at night so that me or faceman is suspicious.
I see two possibilities here:
1. facemans scenerio, saying that I expected he would bus me.
2. faceman used his role instead of a kill.
And really, If I were mafia, I probably wouldnt of been afraid to kill faceman since the hammering thing (which is the only evidence I had against him) would be invalid because of foulcoon. I would still be able to paint Nyquill I guess, but things didnt happen that way. Nyquill is town to me because of the complex thinking required from nyquill if he really were mafia. it just doesn't seem likely to me.
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
Would you like to share more options?0_o wrote:
Now sure, something else could have happened
So I assume if Makar is mafia so :Makar wrote:
And so, before I make my vote, it would be nice to hear of any other possibilities that could of happened last night.
1> Makar is godfather mafia, cannot be killed in night. Makar target me, but swapped.
2> Tried to kill Nyquill, but BP used.
3> Makar not target anybody.
I assume if 0_o is mafia so :
1> Tried Nyquill, but BP used.
2> Tried Makar, but BP used.
3> 0_o not target anybody.
Any other scenario?
Edit : Bad grammar
EBWOP analyze for the scenario here :
We know the mafia between Makar and 0_o so :
If Makar is mafia :
1> There is bomb role, that I don't think there is godfather mafia. What bomb role do if both mafia can disable the bomb? Strike this possibility.
2> There is possibility about this. Need Nyquill confirmation.
3> The most likely happen.
If 0_o is mafia :
1> He swap Makar and me. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia. To make sure BP used.
2> He swap Makar and me. He targeted me to solve this. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia, 33% cannot be proved. Almost likely not happen, immediately expected as mafia if BP not used. Strike this possibility.
3> Dunno why this happen. Another analyze please.
We know the mafia between Makar and 0_o so :
If Makar is mafia :
1> There is bomb role, that I don't think there is godfather mafia. What bomb role do if both mafia can disable the bomb? Strike this possibility.
2> There is possibility about this. Need Nyquill confirmation.
3> The most likely happen.
If 0_o is mafia :
1> He swap Makar and me. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia. To make sure BP used.
2> He swap Makar and me. He targeted me to solve this. He have 33% to can prove he is bus-driver, 33% discovered as mafia, 33% cannot be proved. Almost likely not happen, immediately expected as mafia if BP not used. Strike this possibility.
3> Dunno why this happen. Another analyze please.
Sorry Lincolm but your english is slightly confusing and I'm not sure what you are saying exactly, any way you can reword it or something?
EDIT: Since its pretty much agreed on now that its me or faceman:
Vote: 0_o
For reasons see previous post, should be obvious why I think he is mafia.
EDIT: Since its pretty much agreed on now that its me or faceman:
Vote: 0_o
For reasons see previous post, should be obvious why I think he is mafia.
Sorry, bad grammar...
So there is 2 possibility , Makar or 0_o, not both.
Makar is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
2> Makar tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation to prove this can be happen.
3> Makar don't do anything.
0_o is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> 0_o tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation also.
2> 0_o tried to kill Makar, but bulletproof used. Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar died, 0_o going to be lynched in Day 3.
3> 0_o don't do anything.
The reason why 0_o not kill me because both of them bulletproof. He should know bulletproof already used or 1 of them died.
When he tried to kill someone with bulletproof, he must know I don't watch him.
But still... Killing me is the best option in those "0_o as mafia" 's scenario.
So there is 2 possibility , Makar or 0_o, not both.
Makar is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
2> Makar tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation to prove this can be happen.
3> Makar don't do anything.
0_o is mafia with 3 scenario in N2 :
1> 0_o tried to kill Nyquill, but bulletproof used. Need Nyquill confirmation also.
2> 0_o tried to kill Makar, but bulletproof used. Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar died, 0_o going to be lynched in Day 3.
3> 0_o don't do anything.
The reason why 0_o not kill me because both of them bulletproof. He should know bulletproof already used or 1 of them died.
When he tried to kill someone with bulletproof, he must know I don't watch him.
But still... Killing me is the best option in those "0_o as mafia" 's scenario.
I was not informed of bulletproof being used, so im guessing I was not targeted for a kill last night. Posting my thoughts when I get home.
Actually, you have to remember that roleblocker has to actually TARGET the person for the block to take effect. Remember that the bomb is a PASSIVE role.Lincolm wrote:
1> Makar is mafia godfather. Cannot be killed at night. Makar target me, but it swapped. This explain why no one died. But, there is Rantai who have bomb role. If both mafia can roleblock, what bomb role does? Almost likely this scenario not happened. If Makar the mafia, he is Mafia Goon.
This could still be a possibility.
Lincolm, when you said you watched makar, I'm guessing that you can confirm faceman with that.
Everything leans towards makar right now. His refusal to vote foulcoon, his terrible post-hammer attempt to look town, the fact that faceman is pretty much confirmed, AND the fact that he claimed a SECOND BP townie. Unless lincolm is some sort of master of looking town as mafia, it is pretty much done. So I'm going to go ahead and Vote: Makar.
AND NOW HERES THE CLINCHER:
If faceman was scum and he targeted makar for the kill, makar would have been notified that his bulletproof has been used. If he is town, HE WOULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT THE FIRST THING TODAY. There is absolutely NO REASON for holding it in as a secret.
This is because lincolm should have seen faceman targeting makar. If he is scum, he would have targeted him for the kill and failed. BUT. Makar failed to say that his bp has been used. This is no longer possible.
Actually I'm not sure how watcher PMs are sent. Are you informed of both targets?
Sigh just because the bus role was used doesn't mean he is confirmed.
Nyquill, you are really assuming that I am stupid lol. Do you seriously think that I would do all of that as mafia? Second BP would be a risk, post-hammer (as you said) would be so stupid to say as mafia. I refused to vote foulcoon so quickly because I wanted to be safe due to the chance of him being town and lack of evidence.
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Nyquill, you are really assuming that I am stupid lol. Do you seriously think that I would do all of that as mafia? Second BP would be a risk, post-hammer (as you said) would be so stupid to say as mafia. I refused to vote foulcoon so quickly because I wanted to be safe due to the chance of him being town and lack of evidence.
Why would I get a notification that my BP was used when faceman clearly said he bused? Lincolm didnt target faceman, so why should that be seen? Do you not see that faceman used the bus instead of a kill so that I could be targeted?
Mod: Do you allow the use of scum power roles and allow the same guy to perform the kill?
You have to answer us this, because I've seen this go both ways and its bs if we aren't informed.
You have to answer us this, because I've seen this go both ways and its bs if we aren't informed.