Also, lol, signups are in alphabetical order.
Peppy's trying to still fix stuff. Bancho was down for 10 hours earlier.Lucidity wrote:
/confirm
Btw, is it just me or have the forums been down like the whole day?
Explanation:Echo wrote:
pasonia and lucidity's reasons are overly defensive, +1 for mafia
It's your first post in the game. No matter who you voted, it would have been easy to pass off as a random vote. There was no need for such a long-winded, defensive reason. Unless I missed sarcasm?Lucidity wrote:
Vote: Derekku Chan, because blah blah blah long explanation
Everyone knew it was a joke, there was no need to point it out. You got twitchy when I put the finger on you, while a normal townie would not have reacted with such impatience. However this is different from above - the "(...)" clearly indicates that sarcasm was not involved in this post.Pasonia wrote:
That's a joke? (...)
Ah I only saw this now. I'm tempted to vote for you now as well citing lamenessPasonia wrote:
Confirm.... firm... irm...
Correction. Suspicion *without* reason.Echo wrote:
Sigh pasonia, always so defensive. I'm trying to spark discussion here, that's all.
Note that pasonia nearly always omgus's whenever someone puts the slightest suspicion on him.
When someone is dead.Derekku Chan wrote:
Hey strager, when is the deadline?
He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.Pasonia wrote:
Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.
What is there to explain? Vanilla Ghosties are just that, Vanilla Ghosties.adam2046 wrote:
He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.Pasonia wrote:
Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.
Quick to claim vanilla ghostie right after me.
Yeah, there's actually no such role as Vanilla Ghostie, Pasonia, please explain. (Advise against voting Pasonia for now until he explains...seriously you guys are always way too quick to jump.)
What do you mean "fix"? Photoshop the osu cookie into the visor?strager wrote:
Fix your avatar, Echo.
If "still" doesn't mean "fuckshit", then why did you put it in there?Pasonia wrote:
What is there to explain? Vanilla Ghosties are just that, Vanilla Ghosties.adam2046 wrote:
He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.Pasonia wrote:
Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.
Quick to claim vanilla ghostie right after me.
Yeah, there's actually no such role as Vanilla Ghostie, Pasonia, please explain. (Advise against voting Pasonia for now until he explains...seriously you guys are always way too quick to jump.)
The usage of the word "still" doesn't mean fuckshit.
I sense a probing move; is it a Vanilla Ghostie probing move? I'd think it is.
The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"Pasonia wrote:
There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.
So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.Pasonia wrote:
adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.
?strager wrote:
Fix you avatar, Echo.
He means make it less gay. We went over this.Echo wrote:
?strager wrote:
Fix you avatar, Echo.
Take it this way, Echo.Echo wrote:
The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"Pasonia wrote:
There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.Pasonia wrote:
adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.
starts with w, ends with mPasonia wrote:
Besides, why would I foolishly allow myself to be exposed if I were scum, hmm? If that was a lie back there I'd have backed down,
How did you know adam was lying to test you? That's one big assumption. From your past few games, you would have called him out on it. This stinks of Pasonia-adam pair (not necessarily scumpair, but paired anyway) to me. Either that or one of the two is buddying the other.Pasonia wrote:
but the problem was that adam is more likely probing as a Vanilla than not by claiming that it was a lie. It was a tactic to test if I would automatically back down and claim that the Vanilla Ghosties is an invalid role name, which would definitely make adam doubly sure that I am the scum. The scum is unlikely to know what the vanillas' unique names are (it changes every CM game depending on strager's libid... uhh, I mean, his mood and theme) but I know what it is.
One game not equal the other. Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay, and nailed the scum on the second, both using widely varying tactics. WIFOM? That's the way I roll~Echo wrote:
starts with w, ends with mPasonia wrote:
Besides, why would I foolishly allow myself to be exposed if I were scum, hmm? If that was a lie back there I'd have backed down,How did you know adam was lying to test you? That's one big assumption. From your past few games, you would have called him out on it. This stinks of Pasonia-adam pair (not necessarily scumpair, but paired anyway) to me. Either that or one of the two is buddying the other.Pasonia wrote:
but the problem was that adam is more likely probing as a Vanilla than not by claiming that it was a lie. It was a tactic to test if I would automatically back down and claim that the Vanilla Ghosties is an invalid role name, which would definitely make adam doubly sure that I am the scum. The scum is unlikely to know what the vanillas' unique names are (it changes every CM game depending on strager's libid... uhh, I mean, his mood and theme) but I know what it is.
Uh... The mere fact that I labelled you as scum because of a cop investigation should have been more than enough to let you know I was scum in that game. That was unavoidable. Also 0_o was proven innocent from his first D1 post, so it had to be me.Pasonia wrote:
Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay,
OOC response:Echo wrote:
OOC postUh... The mere fact that I labelled you as scum because of a cop investigation should have been more than enough to let you know I was scum in that game. That was unavoidable. Also 0_o was proven innocent from his first D1 post, so it had to be me.Pasonia wrote:
Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay,
The point was for me to put on a convincing argument for 0_o to vote for you, which I did manage. There is no point in you knowing who the scum are if you can't convince others.
We've been over this. He didn't make a blind vote; I convinced him to vote for you rather than me. If I used my influence as a "better player", then that's my bonus and your loss. The sane cop claim could be explained easily since I would have to say SFG had this role when I claimed Miller. The moment I posted my "plan" the SFG-as-sane-cop thing went out the window implicitly.Pasonia wrote:
No, the problem was, he did a blind vote that game, and he admitted to that himself at endgame. I mean, for someone who left his own arse wide open by claiming the sane cop role after believing that SFG had held it, there was NO fucking way 0_o could've gotten that wrong and not catch on, but he STILL got it wrong anyway; this invalidates the argument that I can't convince him.
You seem to think that 0_o would never have voted me; this isn't true. If you presented better arguments (or I presented worse arguments) then he would have voted me.Pasonia wrote:
Why are you so concerned about the OOC? Seriously, this is CM3 and not CM1.
If you're town, then I seriously hope you will reconsider. WIFOM moves the discussion from logic to guesswork; it only serves to distract town - ie. it is one of the mafia's best allies, and has no use for town. I've said this so many times before.Pasonia wrote:
WIFOM? That's the way I roll~
The point is that your argument is WIFOM, which means it makes no logical sense. In other words, I'm not merely doubting the validity of your argument - your argument is invalid!Pasonia wrote:
Your sudden switching of topics is becoming very worrying for me; adam has thus far not responded on my reply to him and already you're here doubting the validity of my argument.
How am I scumpainting you? As usual, my points are not only plausible, but are also logically sound. If pulling out logically correct points is scumpainting, then I am at a loss for words.Pasonia wrote:
If you ask me, that seems like you trying to scumpaint me now.
So you're telling me to just take your word that you're town, as usual? Unlike you, I don't have the privilege of reading your role pm - which, if I may remind you, is the only proof you've got of your role. Throwing a sentence like this into the game (which admittedly you've done every single game) is extremely scummy.Pasonia wrote:
tldr, If you're the scum, then you're being stupid scumpainting me now instead of next day. If you're not the scum, you're wasting your efforts on me.
Echo wrote:
How am I scumpainting you? As usual, my points are not only plausible, but are also logically sound. If pulling out logically correct points is scumpainting, then I am at a loss for words.
[sarcasm]That is logically sound.[/sarcasm]Echo wrote:
The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"Pasonia wrote:
There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.
From the games I've played with you you seem like a clever guy. Why then do you have so much trouble understanding what Pasonia is saying? If Pasonia's role really is Vanilla Ghostie he'd think that adam is a probing vanilla, because he got the role right. (Although "Vanilla Ghostie" is probably an obvious name choice for the vanilla role in this game).Echo wrote:
So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.Pasonia wrote:
adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.
As I have said before, focusing on when the day ends (and not actually doing anything during the day, showing a general disinterest in day actions) makes me feel that a person is scum (simply waiting for night.)Derekku Chan wrote:
Hey strag, when is the deadline?
I was thinking the same thing. I wanted to claim Vanilla Ghostie, because if there exist others with the same role you basically prove your innocence to them, but then adam did it '-' That pretty much cleared him for me, but now I couldn't claim because that would leave only 2 people with possible aux roles and make the Mafia's life easier. After Pasonia claimed, I definitely couldn't, because that left 2 people without claims: 1 Mafia and the other our possible only aux role? I think strager could quite possibly have a game with with no aux roles. So now I've claimed. (All of this is based on everyone telling the truth of coursePasonia wrote:
I wonder - why are you so eager to pin me down now, Echo? With a long page of arguments and a shortage of time on my side (there's an aeroplane mesh I've yet to do) I may as well come up with what I think is this game's gameplan.
4 vanillas, 1 cop. Seriously, strager, you know how to fuck equally with scums as well as you did with town. I know you aren't gonna say it aloud, but fuckin' hell, there could be NO auxillaries this game at all, which will mean the focus is all on talking.
Based solely on lurking? (Not that there's much else to go on)Pasonia wrote:
If this turns out all wrong, lynch D-Chan.
I'm so cool.Pasonia wrote:
Otherwise, strager, you have effectively murdered us all here -_-
I only asked when the deadline was because NO ONE WAS SAYING ANYTHING. Strager usually has ~5 day deadlines and I really don't think that we should give mafia a free kill because we hadn't voted.adam2046 wrote:
Derekku's lack of talking about anything relevant at all has led me to look at his posts again.As I have said before, focusing on when the day ends (and not actually doing anything during the day, showing a general disinterest in day actions) makes me feel that a person is scum (simply waiting for night.)]Derekku Chan wrote:
Hey strag, when is the deadline?
Again, I've had nothing to say. The past few days you and Echo have been arguing back and forth. That's about it. :/Pasonia wrote:
If I had to say something though, it's that Derekku and Lucidity have so far been peaceful on the matter (too peaceful in the case of Derekku).
Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.Pasonia wrote:
adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.
The unclaim was irrelevant, because the role "Vanilla Ghostie" DOES exist. At that point in the game the only way he could know about it is if he was a vanilla or got extremely lucky in guessing it.Echo wrote:
Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.Pasonia wrote:
adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.
Right now, I'm attacking you for your selective attention to detail, which is again a scummy trait.
...Lucidity wrote:
Firstly let meClaim: Blabbering Idiot.Claim: Vanilla Ghostie.
So you read me like a book.Echo wrote:
Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.Pasonia wrote:
adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.
Right now, I'm attacking you for your selective attention to detail, which is again a scummy trait.
Pasonia likes to use the word scumpaint whenever anyone attacks him. Instead of just talking his way out of the lynch, he just attacks whoever is attacking him, saying they're scumpainting. Again, this is scummy because it shows you have no reason to back yourself up.
How am I supposed to get more information about each person if I don't put pressure on individual people? Am I just supposed to magically know who the scum are and only attack them? Do you really think I'm psychic and can know who are scum and who are not just from reading what people post? If I may remind you, scum are trying to act town. To average players like all of us here, without questioning they are indistinguishable from town. You act scummy; of course I'm going to question you further in order to better determine your alignment.
Whether I am town or scum is a moot point; if I'm scum, then you're making yourself an easy target, and if I'm town, then you're luring attention away from scum and hurting the investigations of the players.
Obviously right now I'm in a kind of fix - if I continue down this track, then Pasonia will do nothing except try to lynch me, which is a pointless endeavour, due to his belief that anyone who attacks him is scum if he is town; if I stop attacking him, then he's still going to do nothing except try to lynch me, using the reasoning "oh he's backing off because he's scared of all the attention he's getting"
Why are you assuming that Pasonia is town in that paragraph?Echo wrote:
Obviously right now I'm in a kind of fix - if I continue down this track, then Pasonia will do nothing except try to lynch me, which is a pointless endeavour, due to his belief that anyone who attacks him is scum if he is town; if I stop attacking him, then he's still going to do nothing except try to lynch me, using the reasoning "oh he's backing off because he's scared of all the attention he's getting"
=| And what's THAT supposed to mean?strager wrote:
Derekku, I'm sure I've told you you're NOT a Twilight Brownie this game.
It means you're not a Twilight Brownie this game.Derekku Chan wrote:
=| And what's THAT supposed to mean?strager wrote:
Derekku, I'm sure I've told you you're NOT a Twilight Brownie this game.
Oh, okay.strager wrote:
It means you're not a Twilight Brownie this game.Derekku Chan wrote:
=| And what's THAT supposed to mean?strager wrote:
Derekku, I'm sure I've told you you're NOT a Twilight Brownie this game.
I agree. Lack of activity = a sad Derekku. (Yeah I've been inactive too, but whatever)Echo wrote:
This game is dead.
vote derekku
I planned on mentioning it to her LyLo.Echo wrote:
Did lucidity know I was trying to find him?
*tooLucidity wrote:
It seems to easy.