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Game Flow
Before the game begins, people sign up by posting in this thread. When enough players are signed up, at the discression of the mod, the game will begin.

Mafia games begin at the Day phase and transition from Day to Night and back to Day. Days and Nights are numbered. The first Day is Day 1, the first Night is Night 1 which always follows Day 1, the second day is Day 2 which always follows Night 1, etc.

During the Day, players discuss and take action depending on their goal. Townies are trying to figure out who the Mafia are, and Mafia are trying to distract the Townies to prevent themselves from being killed. Each Day, players may vote for whoever they choose. After a player accumulates a certain number of votes, or the deadline is reached, that player is lynched and the game transitions to the Night phase.

During the Night, players may NOT talk in this thread. Players MAY communicate with other players IFF their role says so. All Night actions are to be done during the night. The Night phase ends either at the deadline or when all players with Night actions have submitted their action. After the Night ends, the game transitions to the Day phase.

End Conditions
Win and lose conditions will be announed. LyLo will be announced as well, which is a situation where the Mafia will win if a Mafia player is not lynched during the day. To speed up the end of the game, if the Town does not have the majority in terms of players, the game ends with a Mafia win.

General Rules

1. Unless otherwise stated in your Role PM, this game takes place in this thread only. Do not discuss it anywhere else. Doing so will get you modkilled or immediately replaced, depending on the severity of the offense. (This is important for Mafia games.)
   
2. Do not quote any PM, part or whole, you receive from the mod. This includes fake or erroneous quoting. Breaking this rule will get you modkilled.
   
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5. A player who is modkilled will lose the game, regardless of whether their teammates eventually win.

Voting, Lynching and Deaths

1. Any voting action must be bolded, as such: Vote: person
   
2. You may vote to end the day without a lynch by voting as such: Vote: No Lynch
   
3. You may unvote if you wish to remove your vote from someone. Unvoting before placing a new vote is not necessary, but is appreciated. Unvote as such: Unvote
   
4. A lynch occurs immediately when a single player has an absolute majority of votes against them.
   
5. At deadline, half of the votes that would normally be required are enough to lynch a player. In the event of a draw, the player who had the most votes before being tied will be lynched. If no player can be lynched by these conditions, no lynch will occur for that Day.
   
6. Once a lynch occurs, the Day is considered to be over. Do not post again until the next Day begins, especially if you are the player who was lynched that Day.
   
7. On death, the role of the player who died will be revealed.
   
8. Any modkill will end the Day.
   
9. Once a player is dead, they cannot contribute any more to the game. They are not to post anything.

Activity

1. Please treat this game as a commitment.
   
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3. If a player has not posted in 48 hours, they will be prodded by the mod iff requested to do so by another player.
   
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Conduct

1. Be courteous and respectful to other players.
   
2. Blatantly antisocial and offensive behaviour or personal attacks will be grounds for a replacement or a modkill at the mod's own discretion.
   
3. Finally, Mafia is for fun, so enjoy yourself!

strager wrote:

A former Mafia member had been exiled from his not-so-loving clan... Now a ghost, she travels eerily across the country in search of an accepting home.

Not in.

Sure, why not? >_> You'll bug me to join anyway...

/in

JInxyjem wrote:

strager wrote:

A former Mafia member had been exiled from his not-so-loving clan... Now a ghost, shetravels eerily across the country in search of an accepting home.

Gender confused.

fine fine

Sign me up.

Let me try this atleast once

strager wrote:

Crazy Mafia is a short Mafia game for veteran players.

kuwarudo wrote:

Let me try this atleast once

Uhh wat

strager wrote:

You may only sign up and play if you have played at least one Mafia or Warewolf game before.

That decides that.

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Sign me.

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kuu, if you can show me an instance where you actually participate in a game, I'll let you join. Otherwise, Pasonia takes the last slot. I don't mean to offend, but I haven't seen you except in M2 and you ragequit that game.

strager wrote:

kuu, if you can show me an instance where you actually participate in a game, I'll let you join. Otherwise, Pasonia takes the last slot. I don't mean to offend, but I haven't seen you except in M2 and you ragequit that game.

he was in M1

and WW1

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kuu DID post that yummy cookie...

Vote: Pas (to join)

Sending role PM's.

Also, I've added a new rule:

Rules wrote:

1. Do not end the game yourselves. You may discuss the game after the Mafia die(s), but the game may not end.

Also, lol, signups are in alphabetical order.

Confirm.... firm... irm...

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btw werewolf lrn2spell

/confirm

Btw, is it just me or have the forums been down like the whole day?

Lucidity wrote:

/confirm

Btw, is it just me or have the forums been down like the whole day?

Peppy's trying to still fix stuff. Bancho was down for 10 hours earlier.

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Update OP title plz

Sorry, Bancho's all bleh ATM.

Echo, delete my double post kthx.

vote pasonia for pretending to be an echo

That's a joke? (...)

Vote Echo for being lame.

Vote: adam for not confirming in the topic.

Vote: Derekku Chan, because I can't put a 2nd vote on anyone for fear of the RAGE at a L-1 vote, which leaves Derekku and Myself and of course I can't vote for myself without being called a jester soooo. Bam.

pasonia and lucidity's reasons are overly defensive, +1 for mafia

Echo's reason is overly overlied. +1 for mafia.

Echo's reasoning sucks.
+1 for stupidity.

Aha! I see you subtly implying you're jester so we wont lynch you Lucy.
Vote: Lucy

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Echo wrote:

pasonia and lucidity's reasons are overly defensive, +1 for mafia

Explanation:

Lucidity wrote:

Vote: Derekku Chan, because blah blah blah long explanation

It's your first post in the game. No matter who you voted, it would have been easy to pass off as a random vote. There was no need for such a long-winded, defensive reason. Unless I missed sarcasm?

Pasonia wrote:

That's a joke? (...)

Everyone knew it was a joke, there was no need to point it out. You got twitchy when I put the finger on you, while a normal townie would not have reacted with such impatience. However this is different from above - the "(...)" clearly indicates that sarcasm was not involved in this post.

You're pushing really hard there Echo ~_~

wrt Pasonia: I didn't get your joke, and it seems Pasonia didn't either. Thus the "That's a joke? (...)" indicates its lameness. If it was an inside joke then his reaction is a little suspicious.

wrt my explanation: I would hardly call 1.5 lines "long winded". It's still the first page of the game and was quite clearly written in a lighthearted manner. I'm not in the habit of causing big waves in RVS since I was voted out because of it in BM1...It's not overly defensive at all. No one here put a 2nd vote on anyone else, and as there was no reason to suspect anyone at the time there was no reason to put anyone on L-1 either. You're also neglecting the fact that if I were trying to hide something I wouldn't blab it all out in my post -.-

adam (without explaining his motives) did the same thing I did by voting for me

Pasonia wrote:

Confirm.... firm... irm...

Ah I only saw this now. I'm tempted to vote for you now as well citing lameness

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I'm with you on the internet acronym slang, but w.r.t. is a properly defined English abbreviation that you'll find in the Oxford dictionary so learn your language !: P (Though I used it wrong D:)

I didn't say it wasn't.
Also I don't consider acronyms to really be a major part of english (and there's one for fucking everything.)

I only know I possess no extra information like I did in the previous 2 games, and this could become really bad.
Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.

Echo, I have reason to believe that you're it for this round again.

Why are you acting so twitchy on me? I only just (...) and you read a gazillion messages in it. All it meant was a simple ... and nothing beyond that.

FOS Echo, vote maintained.

Does the story in the opening post relate to the game? It seems to suggest 4 Cops and 1 Mafia, but we already have 2 Vanilla Ghostie claims Oo

Sigh pasonia, always so defensive. I'm trying to spark discussion here, that's all.

Note that pasonia nearly always omgus's whenever someone puts the slightest suspicion on him.

Echo wrote:

Sigh pasonia, always so defensive. I'm trying to spark discussion here, that's all.

Note that pasonia nearly always omgus's whenever someone puts the slightest suspicion on him.

Correction. Suspicion *without* reason.

But then again it's Phase D1-Beginning, so a lot of mid-game theory can't apply yet.

=D?

Hey strag, when is the deadline?

Derekku Chan wrote:

Hey strager, when is the deadline?

When someone is dead.

okay cool

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adam hardly ever posts, so it's hard to say anything ._.;

Pasonia wrote:

Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.

He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.
Quick to claim vanilla ghostie right after me.

Yeah, there's actually no such role as Vanilla Ghostie, Pasonia, please explain. (Advise against voting Pasonia for now until he explains...seriously you guys are always way too quick to jump.)

nice catch, adam

also, I won't ask what role you have but thanks for admitting you lied ^^

btw vote count please

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What were the vanilla roles called in CM1 and 2?

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adam2046 wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.

He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.
Quick to claim vanilla ghostie right after me.

Yeah, there's actually no such role as Vanilla Ghostie, Pasonia, please explain. (Advise against voting Pasonia for now until he explains...seriously you guys are always way too quick to jump.)

What is there to explain? Vanilla Ghosties are just that, Vanilla Ghosties.

The usage of the word "still" doesn't mean fuckshit.
I sense a probing move; is it a Vanilla Ghostie probing move? I'd think it is.

Fix you avatar, Echo.

/me looks through strager's closet for a cyber whip.

strager wrote:

Fix your avatar, Echo.

What do you mean "fix"? Photoshop the osu cookie into the visor?

Pasonia wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

Otherwise, I'm still a vanilla ghostie.

He uses the word "still" to say that he has said that he was a vanilla ghostie before, which he clearly hasn't.
Quick to claim vanilla ghostie right after me.

Yeah, there's actually no such role as Vanilla Ghostie, Pasonia, please explain. (Advise against voting Pasonia for now until he explains...seriously you guys are always way too quick to jump.)

What is there to explain? Vanilla Ghosties are just that, Vanilla Ghosties.

The usage of the word "still" doesn't mean fuckshit.
I sense a probing move; is it a Vanilla Ghostie probing move? I'd think it is.

If "still" doesn't mean "fuckshit", then why did you put it in there?

Also, adam's role claim was a lie, but you claimed the same role. Explain? (That's what adam wanted I think...He didn't want a role explanation of Vanilla Ghostie)

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Pasonia wrote:

There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.

The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"

Pasonia wrote:

adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.

So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.

strager wrote:

Fix you avatar, Echo.

?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Fix you avatar, Echo.

?

He means make it less gay. We went over this.

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.

The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"

Pasonia wrote:

adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.

So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.

Take it this way, Echo.

Those who knows what this means would know what I'm referring to. I wouldn't stand by and watch while people vote me off, so I'd think.

Besides, why would I foolishly allow myself to be exposed if I were scum, hmm? If that was a lie back there I'd have backed down, but the problem was that adam is more likely probing as a Vanilla than not by claiming that it was a lie. It was a tactic to test if I would automatically back down and claim that the Vanilla Ghosties is an invalid role name, which would definitely make adam doubly sure that I am the scum. The scum is unlikely to know what the vanillas' unique names are (it changes every CM game depending on strager's libid... uhh, I mean, his mood and theme) but I know what it is.

Pasonia wrote:

Besides, why would I foolishly allow myself to be exposed if I were scum, hmm? If that was a lie back there I'd have backed down,

starts with w, ends with m

Pasonia wrote:

but the problem was that adam is more likely probing as a Vanilla than not by claiming that it was a lie. It was a tactic to test if I would automatically back down and claim that the Vanilla Ghosties is an invalid role name, which would definitely make adam doubly sure that I am the scum. The scum is unlikely to know what the vanillas' unique names are (it changes every CM game depending on strager's libid... uhh, I mean, his mood and theme) but I know what it is.

How did you know adam was lying to test you? That's one big assumption. From your past few games, you would have called him out on it. This stinks of Pasonia-adam pair (not necessarily scumpair, but paired anyway) to me. Either that or one of the two is buddying the other.

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

Besides, why would I foolishly allow myself to be exposed if I were scum, hmm? If that was a lie back there I'd have backed down,

starts with w, ends with m

Pasonia wrote:

but the problem was that adam is more likely probing as a Vanilla than not by claiming that it was a lie. It was a tactic to test if I would automatically back down and claim that the Vanilla Ghosties is an invalid role name, which would definitely make adam doubly sure that I am the scum. The scum is unlikely to know what the vanillas' unique names are (it changes every CM game depending on strager's libid... uhh, I mean, his mood and theme) but I know what it is.

How did you know adam was lying to test you? That's one big assumption. From your past few games, you would have called him out on it. This stinks of Pasonia-adam pair (not necessarily scumpair, but paired anyway) to me. Either that or one of the two is buddying the other.

One game not equal the other. Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay, and nailed the scum on the second, both using widely varying tactics. WIFOM? That's the way I roll~

Anyway, I hope I'm right about adam being nonscum.

OOC post

Pasonia wrote:

Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay,

Uh... The mere fact that I labelled you as scum because of a cop investigation should have been more than enough to let you know I was scum in that game. That was unavoidable. Also 0_o was proven innocent from his first D1 post, so it had to be me.

The point was for me to put on a convincing argument for 0_o to vote for you, which I did manage. There is no point in you knowing who the scum are if you can't convince others.

Echo wrote:

OOC post

Pasonia wrote:

Note that I correctly figured out that you were scum on Game 1 because of the wordplay,

Uh... The mere fact that I labelled you as scum because of a cop investigation should have been more than enough to let you know I was scum in that game. That was unavoidable. Also 0_o was proven innocent from his first D1 post, so it had to be me.

The point was for me to put on a convincing argument for 0_o to vote for you, which I did manage. There is no point in you knowing who the scum are if you can't convince others.

OOC response:

No, the problem was, he did a blind vote that game, and he admitted to that himself at endgame. I mean, for someone who left his own arse wide open by claiming the sane cop role after believing that SFG had held it, there was NO fucking way 0_o could've gotten that wrong and not catch on, but he STILL got it wrong anyway; this invalidates the argument that I can't convince him.

IC:

Why are you so concerned about the OOC? Seriously, this is CM3 and not CM1. Your sudden switching of topics is becoming very worrying for me; adam has thus far not responded on my reply to him and already you're here doubting the validity of my argument.

If you ask me, that seems like you trying to scumpaint me now.

tldr, If you're the scum, then you're being stupid scumpainting me now instead of next day. If you're not the scum, you're wasting your efforts on me.

Really I'm just having fun watching you two.

Pasonia wrote:

No, the problem was, he did a blind vote that game, and he admitted to that himself at endgame. I mean, for someone who left his own arse wide open by claiming the sane cop role after believing that SFG had held it, there was NO fucking way 0_o could've gotten that wrong and not catch on, but he STILL got it wrong anyway; this invalidates the argument that I can't convince him.

We've been over this. He didn't make a blind vote; I convinced him to vote for you rather than me. If I used my influence as a "better player", then that's my bonus and your loss. The sane cop claim could be explained easily since I would have to say SFG had this role when I claimed Miller. The moment I posted my "plan" the SFG-as-sane-cop thing went out the window implicitly.

Pasonia wrote:

Why are you so concerned about the OOC? Seriously, this is CM3 and not CM1.

You seem to think that 0_o would never have voted me; this isn't true. If you presented better arguments (or I presented worse arguments) then he would have voted me.

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Pasonia wrote:

WIFOM? That's the way I roll~

If you're town, then I seriously hope you will reconsider. WIFOM moves the discussion from logic to guesswork; it only serves to distract town - ie. it is one of the mafia's best allies, and has no use for town. I've said this so many times before.

Pasonia wrote:

Your sudden switching of topics is becoming very worrying for me; adam has thus far not responded on my reply to him and already you're here doubting the validity of my argument.

The point is that your argument is WIFOM, which means it makes no logical sense. In other words, I'm not merely doubting the validity of your argument - your argument is invalid!

Pasonia wrote:

If you ask me, that seems like you trying to scumpaint me now.

How am I scumpainting you? As usual, my points are not only plausible, but are also logically sound. If pulling out logically correct points is scumpainting, then I am at a loss for words.

Pasonia wrote:

tldr, If you're the scum, then you're being stupid scumpainting me now instead of next day. If you're not the scum, you're wasting your efforts on me.

So you're telling me to just take your word that you're town, as usual? Unlike you, I don't have the privilege of reading your role pm - which, if I may remind you, is the only proof you've got of your role. Throwing a sentence like this into the game (which admittedly you've done every single game) is extremely scummy.

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My advice for you: actually try to listen to other people's advice for once? As I've said many times before - if you're town, then your attitude in these games really hurts the game for town. The way you act is extremely scummy due to the way you present your points (either plain statements with no evidence to back up or logically invalid arguments). If you're wondering why people struggle to trust you - this is pretty much the big "why".

Echo wrote:

How am I scumpainting you? As usual, my points are not only plausible, but are also logically sound. If pulling out logically correct points is scumpainting, then I am at a loss for words.

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

There was no lying involved. The role of Vanilla Ghostie is perfectly valid.

The way you say "perfectly valid" makes it sound like "yes, this role could possibly exist, but it isn't really my role"

[sarcasm]That is logically sound.[/sarcasm]

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

adam's either a probing scum who got it real right, or he's a probing vanilla who got it all wrong. I'll put my money on the latter.

So you think adam's a vanilla even though he admits to lying about the role claim? And along with that, he put suspicion on you with no "reason". But instead of voting (or FOS or whatever, since you might want to vote me over him), you instead clear him of suspicion? Admitting to lying is a pretty big thing, and I think more investigation should be done before you publicly pass any kind of verdict. I see inconsistency here with the way you claim to deal with people pointing fingers at you.

From the games I've played with you you seem like a clever guy. Why then do you have so much trouble understanding what Pasonia is saying? If Pasonia's role really is Vanilla Ghostie he'd think that adam is a probing vanilla, because he got the role right. (Although "Vanilla Ghostie" is probably an obvious name choice for the vanilla role in this game).

What I'm assuming you're referring to with how he deals with finger pointing is how he reacted to your "..." accusation. That was an accusation with no basis. You're comparing two things that really aren't related and then calling his behavior inconsistent...

*At a loss for words*

Show me your logically sound arguments :/

Also, wtf does OOC and IC mean?

I think it's Out Of Character and In Character or Context, depending on what we're talking about. (...I'd make a joke here, but I don't feel like it.)
Or something else today? I told you guys how I feel about these things right?

I wonder - why are you so eager to pin me down now, Echo? With a long page of arguments and a shortage of time on my side (there's an aeroplane mesh I've yet to do) I may as well come up with what I think is this game's gameplan.

4 vanillas, 1 cop. Seriously, strager, you know how to fuck equally with scums as well as you did with town. I know you aren't gonna say it aloud, but fuckin' hell, there could be NO auxillaries this game at all, which will mean the focus is all on talking.

Based on what is going on now, I have a few conclusions to make.

1. adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.
2. I was second to claim Vanilla Ghostie, but saying it vaguely meant Echo had a chance to attack me. Suspicion level: Variable (it's up to you guys)
3. Echo attacked me for not claiming role properly (play on words), and the way this goes (since he didn't catch on to anything I hinted about) I can safely assume that he's either being stupid (which is rare) or he's actively scumpainting now. For some reason, I look like a good target to scumpaint across all the games of Mafia I've played.

I cannot comment much on Lucidity or Derekku, because I've been so distracted with other stuff like mapping and playing other games, that I hadn't been looking. If I had to say something though, it's that Derekku and Lucidity have so far been peaceful on the matter (too peaceful in the case of Derekku). If I were given a say in this, it'll be something like this.

Vote Echo. (this means a reiteration of my earlier vote)

If this turns out all wrong, lynch D-Chan.

Ok so, I think I've seen enough, Vanilla Ghostie is actually the vanilla role.

Derekku's lack of talking about anything relevant at all has led me to look at his posts again.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Hey strag, when is the deadline?

As I have said before, focusing on when the day ends (and not actually doing anything during the day, showing a general disinterest in day actions) makes me feel that a person is scum (simply waiting for night.)
Also he blamed not discussing on me not talking. (I see no real link, he could totally talk about Echo or something.)

I consider the possibility that Pasonia is Vanilla quite likely for now (not really sold on the idea.)

That said I'd like to lynch Derek today if that's quite alright with you people...How do you feel about it Derek?
Vote: DerekkuChan

Firstly let me Claim: Blabbering Idiot. Claim: Vanilla Ghostie.

Pasonia wrote:

I wonder - why are you so eager to pin me down now, Echo? With a long page of arguments and a shortage of time on my side (there's an aeroplane mesh I've yet to do) I may as well come up with what I think is this game's gameplan.

4 vanillas, 1 cop. Seriously, strager, you know how to fuck equally with scums as well as you did with town. I know you aren't gonna say it aloud, but fuckin' hell, there could be NO auxillaries this game at all, which will mean the focus is all on talking.

I was thinking the same thing. I wanted to claim Vanilla Ghostie, because if there exist others with the same role you basically prove your innocence to them, but then adam did it '-' That pretty much cleared him for me, but now I couldn't claim because that would leave only 2 people with possible aux roles and make the Mafia's life easier. After Pasonia claimed, I definitely couldn't, because that left 2 people without claims: 1 Mafia and the other our possible only aux role? I think strager could quite possibly have a game with with no aux roles. So now I've claimed. (All of this is based on everyone telling the truth of course )

If adam guessed the Vanilla role we're all doomed :/

Basically my suspicions lie on Echo (For claiming to be very logical, when he's only speculating. More like scumpainting than scumhunting tbh) and Derekku for totally lurking and being disinterested in the game.

Pasonia wrote:

If this turns out all wrong, lynch D-Chan.

Based solely on lurking? (Not that there's much else to go on)

Hehehe.

I told the Mafia the name of some possible roles. ;P

EDIT: Just noticed some of you guys talking about CM3 in #mafia. Please don't do that. =[

Well that's just great.

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Pasonia wrote:

Otherwise, strager, you have effectively murdered us all here -_-

I'm so cool.

(I swear, though, this game is balanced. Don't worry.)

adam2046 wrote:

Derekku's lack of talking about anything relevant at all has led me to look at his posts again.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Hey strag, when is the deadline?

As I have said before, focusing on when the day ends (and not actually doing anything during the day, showing a general disinterest in day actions) makes me feel that a person is scum (simply waiting for night.)]

I only asked when the deadline was because NO ONE WAS SAYING ANYTHING. Strager usually has ~5 day deadlines and I really don't think that we should give mafia a free kill because we hadn't voted.

Pasonia wrote:

If I had to say something though, it's that Derekku and Lucidity have so far been peaceful on the matter (too peaceful in the case of Derekku).

Again, I've had nothing to say. The past few days you and Echo have been arguing back and forth. That's about it. :/

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Let's see... since adam claimed first, it would see that he should be less suspicious. But, since strager said he gave the name of the roles to mafia, then adam's claim means nothing. Anyone claiming "Vanilla Ghostie" could be mafia. :S

Pasonia wrote:

adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.

Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.

Right now, I'm attacking you for your selective attention to detail, which is again a scummy trait.

Pasonia likes to use the word scumpaint whenever anyone attacks him. Instead of just talking his way out of the lynch, he just attacks whoever is attacking him, saying they're scumpainting. Again, this is scummy because it shows you have no reason to back yourself up.

How am I supposed to get more information about each person if I don't put pressure on individual people? Am I just supposed to magically know who the scum are and only attack them? Do you really think I'm psychic and can know who are scum and who are not just from reading what people post? If I may remind you, scum are trying to act town. To average players like all of us here, without questioning they are indistinguishable from town. You act scummy; of course I'm going to question you further in order to better determine your alignment.

Whether I am town or scum is a moot point; if I'm scum, then you're making yourself an easy target, and if I'm town, then you're luring attention away from scum and hurting the investigations of the players.

Obviously right now I'm in a kind of fix - if I continue down this track, then Pasonia will do nothing except try to lynch me, which is a pointless endeavour, due to his belief that anyone who attacks him is scum if he is town; if I stop attacking him, then he's still going to do nothing except try to lynch me, using the reasoning "oh he's backing off because he's scared of all the attention he's getting"

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.

Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.

Right now, I'm attacking you for your selective attention to detail, which is again a scummy trait.

The unclaim was irrelevant, because the role "Vanilla Ghostie" DOES exist. At that point in the game the only way he could know about it is if he was a vanilla or got extremely lucky in guessing it.

After Pasonia's post strager informed us that he gave possible roles to the Mafia, so that kind of weakens adam's innocence. So again, I don't see where the selective attention to detail is ?

All of this feels very basic to me :/ How are you missing it Echo?

Something just feels different about you in this game? :\

And btw @Pasonia, posting infrequently is NOT a scumtell. You should know that more than anyone (unless you don't read through your own WW games).

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Because obviously I'm not scum, duh.

Did I miss the obvious bit?

By the way - Lucidity: how do you know that the Vanilla Ghostie role exists?

Lucidity wrote:

Firstly let me Claim: Blabbering Idiot. Claim: Vanilla Ghostie.

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^ What he said.

Echo wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

adam2046 first claimed Vanilla Ghostie, which is a pretty strong statement. Unless he really got lucky on his first try, this means he's an innocent. Suspicion level: Low.

Yet he then claimed he wasn't. I don't see why his earlier claim should have more priority than his later unclaim.

Right now, I'm attacking you for your selective attention to detail, which is again a scummy trait.

Pasonia likes to use the word scumpaint whenever anyone attacks him. Instead of just talking his way out of the lynch, he just attacks whoever is attacking him, saying they're scumpainting. Again, this is scummy because it shows you have no reason to back yourself up.

How am I supposed to get more information about each person if I don't put pressure on individual people? Am I just supposed to magically know who the scum are and only attack them? Do you really think I'm psychic and can know who are scum and who are not just from reading what people post? If I may remind you, scum are trying to act town. To average players like all of us here, without questioning they are indistinguishable from town. You act scummy; of course I'm going to question you further in order to better determine your alignment.

Whether I am town or scum is a moot point; if I'm scum, then you're making yourself an easy target, and if I'm town, then you're luring attention away from scum and hurting the investigations of the players.

Obviously right now I'm in a kind of fix - if I continue down this track, then Pasonia will do nothing except try to lynch me, which is a pointless endeavour, due to his belief that anyone who attacks him is scum if he is town; if I stop attacking him, then he's still going to do nothing except try to lynch me, using the reasoning "oh he's backing off because he's scared of all the attention he's getting"

So you read me like a book.

So I don't care, really. You're setting yourself up to be lynched by pressuring people in this manner. If you hadn't realised it already, the two times you pressured me and kept quoting other posts (this time, CM1) I had silently indicated that I'm pissed at being pressured and hounded like a hellhound on my butt. I guess anybody would be, and you hadn't even FUCKING BOTHERED TO BACK THE FUCK OFF when I have hinted enough in my tones for the subsequent replies I gave you.

You don't FUCKING see the others pressuring anybody else in CM3, do you?

Oh, and if it isn't FUCKING obvious enough, last time round I was town when you did this. So what reason do I have not to believe that you're scum this round, too, given that this had been the way you rolled in two CM games?!

Oh and if you're going to say "See, Pasonia snapped, let's vote to lynch him" I'm going to say I totally expected it as well.

Come the fuck on. I ain't hurtin' no cause. Everything has been what *YOU* assumed it to be.

Echo wrote:

Obviously right now I'm in a kind of fix - if I continue down this track, then Pasonia will do nothing except try to lynch me, which is a pointless endeavour, due to his belief that anyone who attacks him is scum if he is town; if I stop attacking him, then he's still going to do nothing except try to lynch me, using the reasoning "oh he's backing off because he's scared of all the attention he's getting"

Why are you assuming that Pasonia is town in that paragraph?

Mod: Votecount plox ;D?

Because I'm leaning on Pasonia being town.

But the reason isn't because of his post above; that post would have been scummy too because scum would swear to make it looks like they're town. WIFOM, but generally townies do it much less often.

Anyway, like I said in the first sentence, I think Pasonia is town.

unvote

I'm too lazy to do a votecount. =[

Echo: -
adam: Derekku
Pasonia: Echo
Lucidity: Derekku
Derekku: adam

Hopefully those are right.

You still random voting me Derek?

Am I? *goes back and checks*

EDIT: Seems like it.

Teehee, oh you etc.