Derekku wrote:

[General]
*IMO the hitcircle overlay is fine as-is, but the one provided in this thread should make things even better!
*I assume you're waiting to make the timing in each diff the same once you fix the Marathon diff? Yup
*Many inherited sections are unsnapped, but it doesn't sound like any hitsounds were affected by it (since many are placed before notes [correct] as opposed to placing them on top of notes and then getting messed up by timing changes [incorrect]). You can use AIBat to check this but I think it's all fine. I will keep them in this way, since it's fine the way it is.

[Storyboard]
*The logo at the top right of Within-Temptation.jpg is really low quality and noticeably different from the red text you use in the storyboard. It shouldn't be hard to find a higher quality version (even if you have to edit the image yourself). Fiiiiiiixed
*Can't you just put the videos in the .osb to avoid having to have them in each .osu? I mean I guess it doesn't matter, and it probably improves performance for difficulties that shouldn't have video, so I guess it's fine the way it is! I prefered to put the code in the single .osu files because I didn't want to have the video in some single difficulties (for aesthetic reasons)

[Why Not Me]
Fine!

[Shot in the Dark]
*In addition to the timing from my last post (which also hasn't been changed yet), you can move the first uninherited section back two measures (34572) since that's where the music starts. Otherwise, the timing from the last song is used which isn't correct. (Done)
01:37:111 - I really don't understand why kiai starts here. Sure it's a build up to the chorus, but I feel like it makes the kiai at 01:37:960 much less powerful (plus two fountains in a row is a bit too much). I really suggest removing this first fountain. I feel it starts here, sorry. Hoping it isn't a big issue.
02:53:101 - same as above same as above.
03:35:686 (2) - I think you're using the wrong sampleset here on the uninherited section. Right, fixed.
04:09:648 (3,4,5) - inconsistent spacing; (4,5) currently looks like it's 1/4 or 1/6 apart when it's really 1/2 nghhhh fixed
04:11:912 - could possibly remove this kiai section (since there's already many choruses). I feel that a powerful kiai should start here, so no.
04:30:025 - I'm surprised that you didn't add a kiai section here. o-o well ironically it was because I didn't want to add so muck kiai and ironically I felt I could avoid here since there's a spinner that makes its great effect. Btw added.
05:24:082 (1) - perhaps make the end of this quieterHm, nah.

[In the Middle of the Night]
08:20:293 - I don't think that this extra kiai fountain is necessary; the other choruses don't have it in the middle...I felt to add it here because it's the second part of the second chorus, and in my opinion it gives a sprint to complete the hardest part of the marathon
09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it. Seeing some players this is the hardest part of the marathon: 10:23:293 (8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - . If they cannot hit that stream then the majority of them won't have any change on this pattern
09:42:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is also a bit too difficult (it's too spread out) After the stream this should be quite funny to play, I don't want to change it..
09:48:043 (4,5,6) - incorrect spacing which makes this section very confusing and disjoint from the other mappers For my test-players that played it they didn't found any problem by playing this pattern. This could be a little unexpected for you, but it is still readable.
10:05:893 - Expected the last kiai section to end here. Fixed
10:24:493 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Not as bad as the 17-note stream, but this one is more spread out and might even be more difficult. How about making these notes closer to each other? No, really. No. That's why that stream has THAT spacing.

[Faster]
*I really wish that the intro of this was mapped. It just feels so incomplete without it. ): Uhm, after the hardest song a little break it' welcome, this is why I didn't map it. But it's a great intro indeed.
12:00:736 - unnecessary kiai This flows well with the slider's shape at the chours. I REALLY like it.
12:12:236 (1,2) - can't tell which is the slider and which is the note; the sliderticks will really screw up some players. The easiest solution is to change (2) into the new combo. This can be easily readable, despite the hitcircle's position: http://puu.sh/QnT1 seriously, players that tested it just didn't find any problems with it. A new combo will just ruin the pattern.
12:24:736 - kiai should end here, not a tick later Okay
13:44:736 - unn. kiai same reasons of "in the middle of the night". It gives a consistent sprint to the map that I like
14:43:986 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I really suggest spacing these closer This is voluntary, but I made them a bit closer.
14:44:861 (1) - this didn't fit imo; if you had mapped the outro, then sure; but I think that ending with the previous stream would be better.Honestly I don't agree with you, it's better in this way for me.

[Fire and Ice]
*Just like in "Shot in the Dark", move the first uninherited section back to where the music starts. In this case, 6 measures (912957). Alright, fixed
16:33:083 (1,3) - difficult to see which is the note and which is the slider. How about making 16:31:798 (6) a new combo along with 16:33:512 (3) like this: http://puu.sh/QiYj hm.. as I wrote for "Faster", it is still readable and it would be a pity to change the pattern when actually the majority of the players can read it.
*I actually expected some kiai in this song O: Perhaps add a section or two? Hmm I don't really like kiai in slow songs

[Iron]
20:40:009 (6,7,1) - didn't expect these 1/6 notes, and them being in the corner makes them a bit hard to see. I suggest replacing them with a 1/6 slider. Hmm the artificial stack should already gives a warn for this little triplette
22:50:009 (2,3,4) - I'd spread these out more; they looked like 1/6 notes compared to 1/3 ones like 22:51:222 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12). the rhythm in here should be intuitive since there's already a little sample of it before: 22:46:373 (1,2,3) - .
23:23:040 (1,2,3,7,8,9) - expected these 1/6 notes spaced closer together (the notes in each stream, that is) I present to you the same reason as above, there' s already a little preview of the rhythm that led players to hit the triplette as 1/6 (23:21:222 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
23:50:313 - kiai should start here (at the chorus), not measures before (at the buildup to the chorus). Oh gawd. No PLEASE.
24:04:858 - could add another fountain here since this last chorus is much more powerful than the previous ones hmm okay
24:30:312 (5) - I'd make this its own new combo to make it easier to read. The overlapping notes make it kinda hard to see otherwise. See "faster" 's issue. My answer is kinda similar
24:32:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - maybe move these down and right a little bit... otherwise the stacking nearly makes them overlap the previous slider sure thing
24:33:949 - kiai ending here fits better imo sure thing
24:34:100 (1) - perhaps make the ending quieter or do a decrescendo feels weird for me

[Where is the Edge]
*Move the timing section back two measures (1491562)
26:03:250 - unn. kiai fountain
27:05:198 (6) - stacking this with subsequent 1/4 notes is pretty confusing... please change the new combo so it's like this: 27:17:666 (5,1,2,3)
27:11:821 - unn. kiai fountain
27:24:289 - kiai should end here to be consistent with the first chorus
28:10:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeah this really doesn't flow well and is extremely unexpected; i suggest making them into 1/3 sliders
28:11:042 - expected kiai to start here
28:17:081 (3) - should be a new combo like the above
28:21:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - wowwwww this sounds horribly awkward going from random 1/4 to random 1/3. I'm not even sure what to suggest in its place but this definitely needs to be changed.
28:32:958 (1) - shorten by 1/4

[Sinéad]
*Oh my god the purple in this map looks AMAZING. It would be so powerful if you actually DID do colorhax in the marathon... it'd just take FOREVER and isn't really worth it hahaha..ha.. ):
*I expected a spinner for a couple measures in the outro, but otherwise this map is fine!

[Lost]
33:31:968 (3,5) - a bit ambiguous between which is the note and which is the slider you know what I think of this.
33:37:111 (2,4) - ^^
33:49:968 (3,5) - ^^
34:33:682 (2,3) - ^^
35:53:825 - kiai should end here, not on a random blue tick Right
36:24:468 (7) - extend 1/4; where you have it now ends on "wicKed", but the white tick would be "wickeD" like it should be.After a quick test I think you're right. Fixed
*The section after the break is a bit confusing... switching between 1/3 and 1/4 streams? It's really not obvious which is which :/ I just had to follow the rhythm.
37:49:539 - expected kiai to end here; or perhaps do a new fountain? Fixed
37:54:254 (2,3) - a bit ambiguous between which is the note and which is the slider You know.

[Murder]
39:54:962 - expected the kiai to end on a downbeat (like this) [you can manually move the break too for a nice effect: http://puu.sh/Qk94] Cool
41:13:768 - ^ [the break looks like it's been manually moved but it's 1/4 off: http://puu.sh/Qk9q]Fixed
41:28:096 - this kiai fountain feels unnecessary Hmmm
41:42:424 - ^
42:36:156 - end kiai on the downbeat here, not on a random blue tickFixed

[A Demon's Fate]
44:03:985 - expected the kiai to start here, not halfway through the chorus ): Added
44:14:508 (1) - not sure why this is a new combo by itselfFixed
44:32:642 - end kiai hereDone
44:46:971 - expected a note here and on the previous red tickhmm I don't feel to add other notes here. Also, it's cool the pre-break time too.
47:35:329 - kiai should end here, not on a blue tick Fixed
47:49:657 - ^ Fixed
47:57:493 (4,5) - even though the pattern is obvious from the previous measures, these are hard to distinguish from 1/4 notes and are just asking for a combobreak ):Believe me this is an easier version of a previous pattern that asked for a sure combobreak. I'll leave as it is now, since I'm kinda sad too.
47:58:389 (4,5) - ^

[Stairway to the Skies]
*Where's the kiai in the choruses? D: I don't want to put them for slow songss ;w; just at the end where it was REALLY needed
51:22:511 (2) - please raise the volume so that the ticks are audible; 5% is too low for something like thisraised up to 10%; the main reason why I keep a low volume is because the slidertick is audible and it gives a BAD effect.
52:35:844 (5,6) - can't tell which is the slider and which is the note This time it's REALLY readable.
52:38:807 (5,6) - ^
52:50:659 (5,6) - ^
52:57:325 (4) - where's the finish?Damn I forgot to add hitsounds to this part. Thanks for noticing it

09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it.

Arnold0 wrote:

09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it.

And 90+% players will have to use no fail for pass ...

Why all for approval mapper have to put impossible things in there maps *.*

Derekku wrote:

[Where is the Edge]
*Move the timing section back two measures (1491562) Alright.
26:03:250 - unn. kiai fountain Okay, I removed it.
27:05:198 (6) - stacking this with subsequent 1/4 notes is pretty confusing... please change the new combo so it's like this: 27:17:666 (5,1,2,3) Okay.
27:11:821 - unn. kiai fountain Okay.
27:24:289 - kiai should end here to be consistent with the first chorus Alright.
28:10:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeah this really doesn't flow well and is extremely unexpected; i suggest making them into 1/3 sliders I did try out what you've suggested, but I wasn't satisfied. I'll just bring the spacing on those notes closer then.
28:11:042 - expected kiai to start here Yes, you are right. I don't know why this was removed previously but I adding it back in.
28:17:081 (3) - should be a new combo like the above I'll just add a new combo on this note which is on 28:16:886.
28:21:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - wowwwww this sounds horribly awkward going from random 1/4 to random 1/3. I'm not even sure what to suggest in its place but this definitely needs to be changed. This mapping pattern does not sound random; it follows the song. You can remove the objects to hear them in fact. So, I'll leave this as it is.
28:32:958 (1) - shorten by 1/4 Alright.

Berncastell wrote:

sad

Arnold0 wrote:

Please , NOOOOO don't change images filenames don't want to download a 100 MEGABYTE! map after all updates (After update no more BG in game)

EDIT : After checking: Why makes guys redowload the full 100 MB map just for change BG from .jpg to .png ? O_O I'll open and save the BG to .png personnaly, don't have 3G bandwith to loose xD

Soul_Of_Heart wrote:

this is such an amazing beatmap *Q* i love it ♥

Roxas wrote:

Oddio nella marathon potrebbe andar benissimo anche OD6... Tanto chi te la fa SS? xD

Armin wrote:

are you sure you downloaded it properly? try to delete the mapset and to redownload all. or you can replace the bg manually: http://uptiki.altervista.org/viewer.php ... 1n6ntb.png

lolcubes wrote:

The stuff I will point out will be from the [Marathon] diff, will make additional notes if I find something in the individual diffs as well.

lolcubes wrote:

Hm I am getting some really weird stuff...but I'll ignore it for now, seems to work properly on my laptop.

Anyways...The stuff I will point out will be from the [Marathon] diff, will make additional notes if I find something in the individual diffs as well.

[In the middle of the Night]
*A lot of unsnapped timing sections in this diff. Makes certain hitsounds bad. (some are even like 8ms off) FIXED
I'll be a little more specific (I know it's a lot of work but yeah should be done if possible): 08:19:693 - Here your timing section doesn't change the hitsounds properly
*06:48:943 (5) - I still wonder why you don't want this to be a default hitnormal. You tried to explain it to me I remember, but I didn't understand it. It's inconsistent to every other occurrence of such rhythm/pattern as they all have it on default hitnormal here. FIXED
*10:12:643 (6) - I am going to be nazi here, you should definitely center this properly cause the symmetry is broken here. FIXED

[Faster]
*12:02:486 (2) - Not centered properly. FIXED
*13:10:236 (1,3) - I recommend to put the new combo on 3 instead. I see you focused on the patterns rather than the music, for the most part, however this way it would fit both the pattern and the music. There is one more better suggestion here if you want to combo the patterns better (according to the music too) and that is to leave the new combo on that 1, but only add it to 3, but such a short combo might be weird. Another thing here is that you should definitely use a new combo on 13:12:736 (5) instead of 13:13:736 (1) because it fits the music and makes the pattern better (you achieve absolute symmetry once you do this, especially if you used the short combo at first, like I suggested. To put it into numbers for you so it's easier to understand, you get: 1-2 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 1-2(+3+4) 1-2 (in the center) etc, the only problem here is that you create inconsistency with rest of the comboing when it comes to the big slider that starts the next section. I don't know how why you want the slider that starts a section have a combo from a previous one, but in my opinion you should probably change those if possible. You used a new combo here for example: 14:12:486 (1), which fits the music much better, compared to the other parts in the kiai.

Despite the walltext, my answer is NO. I don't want to touch anything here 13:10:236 (1,2,3) - because I'm following the combo colour order of the previous section 13:06:486 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - as you may notice. Also, I tried to change newcombos here 13:12:736 (5) - but no no no, it breaks the pattern that I had in my mind.

[Iron]
*21:31:222 (1) - You still didnt fix the position of the note. Because I didn't want to. It's completely playable in my way too.
*21:56:222 (2) - You still didn't fix this :\ The ending part of the slider is off the grid almost completely. As regular hitcircles cannot be off the grid, you should fix this. I really see no problem if you fix it like this, it doesn't break any pattern at all. http://puu.sh/XFzx
*24:30:312 (5) - I think a finish instead of a whistle would bring a much bigger impact. sounds too excessive

[Lost]
*More unsnapped sections (they are everywhere but they affect this part considerably): 34:31:539., 34:32:825., doesn't change the sound properly. just one hitsound was messed with those unsnapped sections in all the map, and now it's fixed
*35:34:111 (6) - Raise it a bit, a part of the slidertrack is offscreen slightly (yes i know it's couple of pixels, but still <_<). Could raise 5 as well just so you don't destroy your spacing. 1 grid level 4 will do. FIXED
*37:09:682 (8) - Not centered properly. Should move down 1 grid too, to preserve spacing, in addition to moving it left. Fixed
*37:19:111 (1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Big no to this spacing. You are using the same spacing for both 1/4 stream and 1/3 stream, in the same combo. Spacing is still different between 1/3 and 1/4, it's different in ALL THE STREAMS since IT WAS MAPPED MANUALLY. I just testplayed it with some new players and despite of the initial astonishment of the 1/3 part they FC'ed all completely. I still want to keep all these patterns, so no again.

[Murder]
*40:30:335 (7,8,1) - I think you can make this symmetrical with minimal effort, without breaking any patterns. (move the slider) fixed

[A Demon's Fate]
*44:00:851 (1,2,3,1) - I don't get the point of these new combos. Should just remove them. fixed
*45:01:299 (1) - ^ fixed
*48:09:359 - Put soft hitsound on the timing section, else the spinner end is very audible and ruins the atmosphere. fixed


The unsnapped timing sections occur in separate diffs as well. I took me a really really really really long time to get through this properly and as I don't have much of it lately, I apologize to have kept you waiting. (took me like 3 hours only for this run orz)
You should definitely polish those "1 grid" changes into your patterns because since the whole mapset focuses on visuals (symmetry, combo colors, etc), such things are just plain wrong.

Armin wrote:

[Iron]
*21:31:222 (1) - You still didnt fix the position of the note. Because I didn't want to. It's completely playable in my way too.

haha5957 wrote:

I kinda don't understand why unrank/unapproved maps doesnt instantly get rerank/approved after the issues are fixed..

anyways good luck >~</

[Shot in the Dark]
01:33:567 (1) - Kind of an awkward place for a spinner. Hmm, it's a different tecnique that I wanted to use for the use of a spinner: usually a mapper add it when there is a vocalising or choir and I liked the result
01:37:111 - Odd spot for kiai too. Especially since you rekiai at 01:37:960 - Gets a little messy with the fountain spam.yup, Derek pointed it out too. Honestly the reason why I put 2 kiai here is because the first one prepares you for the second fountain, and this for me gives an awesome effect.

[In the Middle of the Night]
05:47:593 (3) - This gets covered by skin stuff pretty badly. Think you can reposition a little bit?i tried to move it above the skinned osu logo but the problem still S: I guess this won't confuse the player since it's 3/1 bpm distant from the spinner and the player gets prepared to the slider because of the presence of these 05:46:993 (1,2) - two hitobjects

SPOILER

08:46:393 - With the way you have rhythms set up during this part, I really really want a beat here. Fixed
08:53:893 - Extend start of break to here. Done

[Faster]
14:12:486 (1) - Eew, whistle on the sliderbody.Fixed
14:15:486 (4) - ^fixed

[Iron]
19:13:040 - Um, is there a reason why normal claps are being used from here instead of the custom one?yup, because the original clap sound simply better. Do you think the custom would change things in a better way?
19:36:676 (3,4) - The way these sliders are snapped just sounds wrong, even if it's technically within the beat. They sound much more natural ending on the white ticks, then adding that extra swing beat instead of ending on it.Sorry but no, I think I love this rhythm t_t
21:31:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Why bother have a stream if you can only hear half of it anyway? to make things easier, since it's just a stream that start and ends on white ticks. What's your alternative?

[Where is the Edge]
26:01:886 (2,3,4) - this acceleration seems sudden given the pace of the map at the beginning of the song waiting for roddie
27:23:899 (5) - try putting claps on all 3 hits to go with how you hitsounded the first half of this combo waiting for roddie

[Sinead]
29:49:781 (1) - could you move this closer to 2 so that the spacing doesn't look quite as weird Actually, it doesnt look weird o.O also, if I did this I'd move the issue that you presented here 29:49:268 (6,1) -

[Lost]
pretty sliders owo

[Murder]
39:11:305 (1,2,3) - could you rotate this combo a bit so its less hidden: http://puu.sh/ZLqh lets see what vass bass say
39:04:812 (1) - could you move this closer to 2 so that the combo is grouped? ^

[A Demon's Fate]
45:29:508 (3,4,5,6,1) - super nitpicky but to have this line up vertically with 1,2 you need to move it to x: 270 y:190 it was moved in this way because of its stacking effect: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/416611 (see it during test play ><)
46:23:687 (1) - this is beautiful but it'd be even better if you could move the red combo before it around so that it isnt obscured by hitbursts for 1/3 the duration hmm I have to switch the red combo in the previous pattern before this long slider, right?
46:59:060 (3) - I guess this is kind of a symmetry jump but it doesn't feel like it fits the music very well at all, maybe stack it with 1 and move 1,2 over towards the center a bit? http://puu.sh/ZLLe I don't really like this new solution, forgive me >_>

[Stairway to the Skies]
51:58:065 (1) - put a clap on the middle hit to match the earlier pattern fixed and added to the end of the slider too
52:01:121 (1) - a clap would sound really cool here done
52:02:602 (1) - and maybe a finish here sounds too odd X:

Armin wrote:

[A Demon's Fate]
45:29:508 (3,4,5,6,1) - super nitpicky but to have this line up vertically with 1,2 you need to move it to x: 270 y:190 it was moved in this way because of its stacking effect: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/416611 (see it during test play ><)