It's the usual counter for pubs, if you want to beat him properly you also need disables and especially the ones who go through BKB and lots of counter push and accurate execution, in the end DOTA 2 is a 5n5 though, as long as you can take care of the 4 other heroes, Lycan won't be a trouble as big in the end

+
Maelk raping people with his look
left to right, Fear - Bulba - Maelk - DeMoN - Universe (Evil Geniuses)

^ Maelk the only really "evil" one here .

lycan dominates the game at every single level of play. not only has this hero got the incredibly broken potential, but the amount of skill required to hit that potential is laughable. its quite tragic to see such an imbalanced hero after dota has been refined and tweaked with for so many years.

Mikey wrote:

lycan dominates the game at every single level of play

I concur, although this can be easily countered with Tresdin (if he gets ported anyway)

Lycan is a strong pubstomp hero. But he's quite weak on pro scenes.

Pizzicato wrote:

Lycan is a strong pubstomp hero. But he's quite weak on pro scenes.

I haven't spend that much time watching tournaments (yet) but Lycan always gets banned.

And we actually lost once with Lycan because Remco is a sletje hasn't farmed enough.

Pizzicato wrote:

Lycan is a strong pubstomp hero. But he's quite weak on pro scenes.

dafuq did I just read?

Are you serious?

If a Lycan catch in Mid/Late with only with Vladimir/S&Y, he'll destroy your body, and destroy you again in the afterlife.

Also, N'aix or Slardar are the only heroes who can beat him properly.

Pizzicato wrote:

Lycan is a strong pubstomp hero. But he's quite weak on pro scenes.

http://dota-academy.com/hero/85/
See? He is nearly always banned or picked in the last 4 months. And his winrate is quite impressive, too.

I love this thread!!

And I love you Zero.

I counter Lycan with Teemo hue.

Still waiting for Ezalor, Naga Siren, Troll Warlord, Magnataur, Meepo and Techies.

who gets S&Y on lycan

Phase Boots, Vladimir, S&Y, Basher, Terrasque, Assault Cuirass.

Yep, Lycan will destroy you.

I'll admit, that build is bad

iMercurial wrote:

Phase Boots, Vladimir, S&Y, Basher, Terrasque, Assault Cuirass.

Yep, Lycan will destroy you.

Typical pub trash.

Just do it... and tell me later how do you win

nah I think I'll get travel, vlads, orchid, linkens, diffusal, manta next game

or maybe sheepstick instead of linkens

yeah

I can deal with manta, but orchid? BKB is better.

Also, Diffu is, dunno, is not my way. BKB instead of linken and Assault Cuirass/Terrasque is a must.

Gabi wrote:

iMercurial wrote:

Phase Boots, Vladimir, S&Y, Basher, Terrasque, Assault Cuirass.

Yep, Lycan will destroy you.

Typical pub trash.

Basher is actually a viable choice, especially when you upgrade it to Abyssal Blade. He's easily kiteable and you want to get as much dmg as possible out of the little time he got ulti and you can't depend on team support if you go chase off a hero on your own

Vlads, Medallion, BKB, PT/BoT, Necro/Basher->Abyssal, HoT/AC is what I usually build in that exact order

I never said it wasn't viable, i said it was typical pub trash.

If you farm basher into abyssal it usually means you're going to be useless for quite a while, it also means you won't be able to push as hard as you need an insane amount of farm for abyssal. BoT in a pro game won't get you far either.

Lycan isn't "easily" kiteable, what the fuck? he runs at a 522 move speed and can't be slowed, if that's "easily" kiteable then i don't know what the fuck is hard. You want a Force/Dagger/blink skill to manage to get away from him(stun if he doesn't have bkb), and not every hero has that.

If the situation calls for it, get a BKB up asap after vlads/med/PT, if they don't have too many stuns, you get a necro book up which will improve your pushing potential by a lot. After that you buy AC/Deso OR IF YOUR TEAM LACKS STUNS YOU CAN GET A BASHER.

But in pubs people don't play him like that, and people don't know how to properly play against him, so he just farms jungle for 30 minutes and come out with mega items that will melt anyone he hits.

btw naix wont even beat lycan 1v1 in 90% of cases until like 50 mins in. slardar doesnt do that great either. ck and naga are two of the best ways to deal with lyca

Lanaya :>



Refraction looks really nice now.

- Added Templar Assassin!
- Enabled Templar Assassin, Disruptor and Undying in Captain's Mode.


GAMEPLAY
- Bounty Hunter: Fixed Jinada proccing on Tombstone.
- Broodmother: Fixed Spiderling passive proccing on magic immune units (like zombies) and spawning mass spiderlings.
- Disruptor: Fixed Kinetic Field sometimes causing heroes to fail to attack a hero who is being trapped in the field.
- Earthshaker: Fixed Echo Slam inital damage not hitting units through magic immunity.
- Leshrac: Fixed Pulse Nova procing Essence Aura.
- Lone Druid: Fixed Spirit Bear not aggroing creeps when it attacks a hero
- Luna: Fixed Moon Glaive bouncing on ward type units
- Luna: Fixed Moon Glaive bounce order.
- Lycan: Fixed wolves having max speed for their duration after Shapeshift ends if summoned during Shapeshift.
- Necrolyte: Fixed Death Pulse not healing allied magic immune units
- Puck: Fixed Phase Shift proccing Essence Aura.
- Rubick: Fixed being able to steal spells from their being toggled off.
- Rubick: Fixed getting stuck in Flesh Golem form when respawning with the buff.
- Rubick: Fixed some abilities being broken when re-stealing them, now re-stealing an ability will have no effect on your currently stolen ability.
- Shadow Shaman: Fixed Ether Shock ignoring Linken's Sphere.
- Spiritbreaker: Fixed Greaterbash affecting Magic Immune units when procced via other abilities
- Undying: Fixed Tombstone interaction with Refresher Orb.
- Undying: Fixed Deathlust sometimes not working properly.
- Undying: Fixed a bug where Deathlust would sometimes not go away.
- Undying: Decay now makes the target lose exactly 76 health when cast and heal exactly 76 when it ends. Before the health scaling was causing the target not to lose then gain the correct amount of health.
- Wisp: Fixed Spirits exploding on illusions.
- Wisp: Fixed Relocate to not teleport Wisp while dead
- Improved AFK detection.
- Fixed Smoke of Deceit dodging incoming projectiles if there are nearby enemy heroes.
- Fixed Ethereal Blade and Black King Bar interaction.
- Fixed completely-avoided damage from triggering blink dagger's cooldown.


UI
- Rich Presence now shows if you're casting a game.
- If you buy an Aghanim's Scepter on a hero with no upgrade, this is now shown in the ability.
- Battle point rate and any equipped bonuses are now shown in the inspect panel.
- Numerical battle points earned (split into base and bonus) are now shown on the game end screen.
- The play panel now shows matchmaking game modes and regions from the party when finding a match.
- Improved unpause countdown, added UI sound.
- Fixed case where we weren't properly crediting damage from summoned units/wards to their hero in the combatlog.
- Added an interface setting to prevent the camera from moving upon respawn
- Neutrals now have yellow healthbars when spectating.
- Roshan's healthbar is now slightly bigger.
- We now hide all match details until you reveal the winner.
- Team names and logos are now shown on match details panel.
- Fixed a handful of issues with the message and chat system when watching replays.


- The killcam card now flips over to show the full body portrait.
DOTA 2 BOTS
- Improved how bots manage their movement while doing evasive maneuvers -- they will now consider a range of escape directions and select the best one based on other nearby avoidance zones.
- Added avoidance to Disruptor's Kinetic Field (while it's forming) and Static Storm.
- Improved how bots request items from the stash via the courier. The courier will now only deliver items the hero has room for, and bots will take into account projected item combines.


VISUALS
- Added overhead messages when items or abilities cause unnatural mana gain or loss (such as Arcane Boots).

Love it how they immediately added her to Captain's Mode

I need psychiatrist help right now. I just lost a pub with lycan.

Lanayaaaaaaaaaaaaa

he's probably the best hero in DotA 2

Oh man, I just can't wait to go and be a useless piece of shit with Lanaya.

No idea why have I always sucked so many dick when played her.

^Comes with practice
Lanaya's ultimate is like the most op shit in the game, worse than Ice Wall
And Meld as well, 200 bonus dmg and -8 Armor OK
Seriously, Refraction is a joke as well, she kills you in 3 secs and you can't do a fuck about it and Psi Blades is like the ultimate lane-winner-harassassassination passive...
Whoever loses a lane or doesn't get any kills with her seriously got a problem with his playability

Magicphoenix wrote:

^Comes with practice
Lanaya's ultimate is like the most op shit in the game, worse than Ice Wall
And Meld as well, 200 bonus dmg and -8 Armor OK
Seriously, Refraction is a joke as well, she kills you in 3 secs and you can't do a fuck about it and Psi Blades is like the ultimate lane-winner-harassassassination passive...
Whoever loses a lane or doesn't get any kills with her seriously got a problem with his playability

i agree, shes ridiculously strong

I like how you can one-shot the enemy supports with her as soon as you get your Desolator and Blink.

Oh Lanaya, I used to play it frequently whenever a Techies was picked. Blademail plus Refract -----> walk to Land Mines ---> proceed to lol.

^That's also OP, the fact that she doesn't simply block the damage, she drains it and readds it again to do exactly what you just said

You can always blink while having Refraction activated now.

I hope that is a bug

It was just not possible in DotA 1 because Refraction was based on a heal there. Now it really blocks the damage and so Blink is not disabled.

Anyway one can see this as a buff, since Refraction got somehow nerfed with it's big visual effect.

But if this was unintentional...lol. Why did Valve already added her to -cm?

First DOTA 2 game in the pro-scene Orange vs iG with TA
Orange picked TA, ky.xy played it and gg for iG - TA 1 hit every support

Man CK has to be nerfed. That hero is not balanced in anyway.

Nothing interesting in that round.

Except for the 6 rare box gifted.

i literally just played with that Super Shit Boy guy, he played Riki though.

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Man CK has to be nerfed. That hero is not balanced in anyway.

Agree.
I think it's funny how a CM with boots is barely faster than a CK with absolutely nothing, running away from CK is futile until you have some kind of escape spell, get drums & phase boots up on him and even Clinkz with Skeleton Walk has a tough time running. It's alright he's the fastest hero in the game but the fact that he's also got one of the highest dmg outputs with 200-dmg stun on Lv1 & base damage 'n stuff...
(Also, his ultimate is too OP with armlet -_-"")

Magicphoenix wrote:

he's also got one of the highest dmg outputs with 200-dmg stun on Lv1 & base damage 'n stuff...

Chaos Bolt deals 1-200 damage atlLevel 1. Not really that OP, since Shadow Strike deals exactly 200 damage at level 1(not counting magic resistance)

And also, next hero will be Naga Siren (most probably)

Magicphoenix wrote:

It's alright CK's the fastest hero in the game.

Actually Luna is the fastest hero in the game .

Magicphoenix wrote:

And also, next hero will be Naga Siren (most probably)

SPOILER

I wouldn't take this for granted because last week in Luna's edit: sorry, I meant Thrall's picture there was Nyx Assassin seeable but they released Lanaya this week. Maybe Valve ist just trying to troll us .

He's also here in this picture, on the top of the picture a bit to the right of the sparkle on the very right
And 330 ms on Luna is new to me, did they buff her on the 6.74 patches ?

From Changelog of 6.69:
Luna
- Eclipse (Aghanim's version) target limit increased from 5 to 6
- Strength growth increased from 1.75 to 1.9
- Movement speed increased from 320 to 330

Oh wow, must've been so insignificant to me that i didn't even realize :p
I want Visage already

lol gmod

I see what you did there, Sven.

foulcoon wrote:

i literally just played with that Super Shit Boy guy, he played Riki though.

He's one of my friend in Steam and Real Life.


Edit:



Nice round with foulcoon.

GUANTES DE PLUMA DE HLOTL Y ESPADA DE LOS MONO MILITIS !!

Lol'd.

Yeah, since Spanish is my native language, I have that language in DotA.

that game started so well for us, but we were outpicked for sure. and then i just went tower diving for shits.

I feel ashamed to lose even playing with CK.

Seriously, nerf CK.

On a side note, Lanaya with refraction not activating Dagger cd when being hit, I cannot explain my frustration haha.

Happens at times unfortunately, the incidents every MOBA player has at least once in his career ... I remember losing games with 27-3-20 or 21-7-14 stats with Invoker, teamfights went well until the time dragged the game so far that everyone from the enemy team had BKB and just trampled down my 4 teamm8s who were not much than very bad.

But I SERIOUSLY agree on that Refraction thing with TA. Especially the way it influences the pro-scene, she's like a reliable surviver unless you waste a ton of chain stun on her to kill all the refraction charges and then try to prevent the dagger out. Though on the other aspects she's slighty weaker, her projectile is slower and the refraction shows up every time she takes damage, even when in invis mode. If she's in meld or invisibility with Refraction, hit a AoE spell on her and you will see her shield and then see her position.

Looking forward to Nyx Assassin/Naga Siren/both

iMercurial wrote:

I see what you did there, Sven.

foulcoon wrote:

i literally just played with that Super Shit Boy guy, he played Riki though.

He's one of my friend in Steam and Real Life.


Edit:



Nice round with foulcoon.

you must have such a low elo

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Shadow_Fiend_responses
This is quite entertaining, check the rest of everyone's responses out, especially the Killing a Rival-ones. There's already rivalsynchro for heroes like Soul Keeper ,Nyx Assassin, Phoenix or Techies.

I'd love to see Nyx Assassin and Naga Siren in this week's update, they look quite interesting.

Naga Siren will be Unstoppable, as always.

Solo que had been good lately

Oh, also in lp que because 3 ru reported me and convinced other team to even though our Ogre left and it was 4v5 and I was just waiting for them to end lol.

How many lost games.

How I know I lost i won.

iMercurial wrote:

How many lost games.

im at like +37 now

who is this nyx assassin u guys are talking abt

Nerubian Assassin

Talkin' about CK

Pizzicato wrote:

Lol this came in February and then got stolen and posted to 9gag (like everything on 9gag is)

Original: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680378

Studio'D'Art is one of the more tolerable places in playdota forums, so i tend to hang there.

Now where every Russian uses the Russian servers the search queue lasts 3 times as long lol.
But worth it anyway, not like I stare at the DOTA 2 screen for 12 minutes

I always use the EE.UU Servers...

I was invited few days ago. Played around 100 matches in League of Legends.
In DOTA2, I have no idea what to do. o_O
(never played DOTA before)


ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg

Magicphoenix wrote:

Now where every Russian uses the Russian servers the search queue lasts 3 times as long lol.

Wrong.

Update Notes - July 18, 2012

Added Naga Siren!
Added new stats dropdown feature when spectating!

GAMEPLAY
- Enabled Naga Siren in Captain's Mode. !
- Disruptor: Fixed Glimpse affecting Warlock Golem and Spirit Bear.
- Silencer: Fixed Curse of the Silent affecting Warlock Golem and Spirit Bear.
- Storm Spirit: Fixed Static Remnant blocking creep camps
- Templar Assassin: Fixed Refraction being dispellable.
- Undying: Fixed a case where early game zombies could sometimes get stuck with an earlier or invalid level of Deathlust into the late game.
- Beastmaster: Fixed the path that Wild Axes take. It should now work the way it was originally intended.
- Fixed Shadow Word refreshing its debuff version when stolen and cast as a buff.
- Fixed Dazzle's Weave refreshing its debuff version when stolen and cast as a buff.
- Fixed restealing an ability (stealing another ability in-between) not restting its cooldown.
- Fixed Diffusal Blade stopping Force Staff movement.
- Fixed Refraction and Pipe causing Blink Dagger to not get disabled. so it wasn't intended

UI
- Sellback times no longer expire when moving items to the courier.
- Fixed item stocks not restoring correctly when multiple items are sold back within the sellback time.
- Added a message when a player denies the Aegis. haha, I remember this misclick from M5
- Added confirmation dialog before starting a practice lobby with a league set but one or more teams not set.
- Added client-side console variables allowing spectators to locally disable certain announcer lines. Especially useful for broadcasters. The cvars are:
- cl_dota_speech_spec_towerattack, cl_dota_speech_spec_towerfalls, cl_dota_speech_spec_barracksattack, cl_dota_speech_spec_barracksfalls, cl_dota_speech_spec_ancientattack, cl_dota_speech_spec_enemybasefalls, cl_dota_speech_spec_idles .
- Set any of them to '0' to prevent that line from playing. (Broadcasters will almost always want to set cl_dota_speech_spec_idles 0 ).
- Multiple players who have the same announcer equipped in the same game should now hear the same speech.

Anyone has spare invite? My friend wants to convert from LoL finally.

I have not invites left, but I have 3 accounts with DotA 2 in them.

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Anyone has spare invite? My friend wants to convert from LoL finally.

I tried to convert Larto but he'll stick to LoL because Dota 2 is too hard.

iDwarf wrote:

Magicphoenix wrote:

Now where every Russian uses the Russian servers the search queue lasts 3 times as long lol.

Wrong.

Yes X_X
I hoped for it but in the end it was only server-issues

:BurNing AM: (470 cs @min 42)
MUFC was winning most of the fights, having a Kill-Death ratio of DK 10-20 MUFC but without BurNing. He just farmed the living crap out of the bot lane & jungle. Joined fight after his Manta-Battlefury-BKB after 25 mins and killed everything
Super also with SUPER SHACKLESHOTS *giggle*

My #100 Gameplay /o/

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Anyone has spare invite? My friend wants to convert from LoL finally.

Need one too plz :<

I get 3 keys for my friends doing this...

^That's the most basic way to try and get a beta key at all. Of course he already did it but when there's 5 months without reply he might as well look for something else

What kind of pings do you guys get?

Mikey wrote:

What kind of pings do you guys get?

white ones

I remember last year november, pings to US west were the best at 230ms.

However, nowadays, the average ping to US west is 310ms.

Hope Australian servers come soon

Mikey wrote:

What kind of pings do you guys get?

~30

[AirCoN] wrote:

Mikey wrote:

What kind of pings do you guys get?

white ones

I remember last year november, pings to US west were the best at 230ms.

However, nowadays, the average ping to US west is 310ms.

Hope Australian servers come soon

i assume you're on optus? sucks man, i got 130 on SEA, its not too bad

EE.UU Servers -> 130

South America Servers -> 50

63 on SEA

Mikey wrote:

i assume you're on optus? sucks man, i got 130 on SEA, its not too bad

yea, optus, though NBN coming to my address soon

Pizzicato wrote:

cyclone emp coldsnap, people who think invoker is a hard hero are a joke

Mikey wrote:

cyclone emp coldsnap, people who think invoker is a hard hero are a joke

mainly because they thought exort was the best build.

it generally is, going exort can pay off but is not as consistent. takes more skill too

Pizzicato wrote:

mainly because they thought exort was the best build.

probably because it actually is

Lybydose wrote:

Pizzicato wrote:

mainly because they thought exort was the best build.

probably because it actually is

it's really situational on pubs. as for the competitive scenes, it depends on what lineup you're against.

But basically, Exort is the best build.

Exort gives more balance & variation... it's called Exort build but in the end that only counts for the early-(mid?)game though and ends up in an overall build.
I go 1-1-4 => 4-1-4 => 4-4-4/4-1-7 => 4-4-7/4-7-4/4-4-7 This means a lot more skills you can use and with an early Aghanims you will have a lot more nuke power(even without it).
If you go Wex/Quas build you will definitely have 2-7-1 by lv13 and all you'll have is Cold Snap-Tornado-EMP + Invis. It's just too ineffective even if you have high mobility instead of just dominating the lane much more with higher base dmg & casually helping out with Sun Strike.
The only phase for W/Q build should be when the others are very disarmable by EMP (no mana) or you have the need to be running away from their heroes 24/7.

Though this is all based on my personal opinion, Exort(->overall) for me is stronger than Wex-Quas in all phases of the game