Vote/event log

Day 1
kuwarudo: Lucidity
adam: Wojjan
strager: kuwarudo
Wojjan: ASH
Echo: Ivalsetto
m980: strager
Lucidity: kuwarudo
Ivalsetto: strager
viewtopic.php?p=146280#p146280
strager: -
strager: Lucidity
adam: -
adam: strager
Lucidity: -
Lucidity: strager
ASH: strager (i.e. ASH is a fucking dick)
Wojjan: -
Wojjan: adam
viewtopic.php?p=146818#p146818
Lynch: strager (Vanilla Townie)
Kill: adam (Vanilla Townie)

Day 2
adam replaces ASH
adam: Lucidity
viewtopic.php?p=148028#p148028
Lucidity: adam
m980: Lucidity
m980: -
viewtopic.php?p=149058#p149058
m980: Lucidity
adam: -
adam: Wojjan
Ivalsetto: adam
kuwarudo: Ivalsetto
Echo: adam
Lynch: adam (Vanilla Townie)

Current votes (may be messed up):
Echo (0)
Ivalsetto (0)
kuwarudo (0)
Lucidity (0)
m980 (0)
Wojjan (0)

Not voting: Echo, Ivalsetto, kuwarudo, Lucidity, m980, Wojjan

Most people have confirmed by now. Others who don't confirm soon will be replaced by one of the remaining replacements.

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With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is next Saturday at 11:45 PM Central.

Why aren't we allowed to discuss the game outside the thread?

kuwarudo wrote:

Why aren't we allowed to discuss the game outside the thread?

I guess LS got annoyed of the slip-up/accidental/a-bit-carried-away discussions occuring in #forumshit.

Huh, I guess, also vote Lucidity, nothing against ya buddy.

Vote: Wojjan
...because he looked at me funny?

Vote: kuwarudo

You rage quitted Mafia 2. Now we're stuck with SFG. >_>

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No discussion via PM either, unless your Role PM says you can.

Whoa, Ivalset is in the game?

vote: ivalset

strager wrote:

Vote: kuwarudo

You rage quitted Mafia 2. Now we're stuck with SFG. >_>

So ya like me more? Or not?

Let's go with Random Vote Strager

LadySuburu wrote:

No discussion via PM either, unless your Role PM says you can.

So, apart from special roles that require messaging you, that leaves us only with the Mafia...

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adam2046 wrote:

Mafia are only allowed to talk at night mind you.

Now how would you know that, unless you are mafia?

Because I a-Oooooh you almost got me that time Echo *finger wag*

In all seriousness I have been Mafia before.

And most likely read the first post :<

Vote: kuwarudo

Nothing against ya either Just thought I'd return the favour There's no real basis to vote on yet is there :<

Lucidity wrote:

And most likely read the first post :<

Vote: kuwarudo

Nothing against ya either Just thought I'd return the favour There's no real basis to vote on yet is there :<

Yep. No real basis on the votes.

Usually though these votes change overtime.

Vote: strager

I hate butterflies.

m980 wrote:

Let's go with Random Vote Strager

I'm.

Going.

To.

Kill.

You.

*strager.

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Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

m980 wrote:

Let's go with Random Vote Strager

I'm.

Going.

To.

Kill.

You.

Mafia confession?

Quote tampering.

Unvote
Vote: Lucidity

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.
Vote: strager

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

I'm.

Going.

To.

Kill.

You.

Mafia confession?

Quote tampering.

Unvote
Vote: Lucidity

And this after I helped you with the statistical ideas in your program :/

That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? Maybe it's due to guilt? People have very strong emotional reactions when they're accused of something and guilty of it...Even if the accusation was in jest!

Unvote
Vote: strager

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Not really. He asked for statistical help in #osu with some program he was working on (For Mafia 2 I think), and being the good Samaritan that I am I offered to help a little. I don't think he used it in the end though :<

On an unrelated note, unless I counted wrong, strager is on 4 votes at the moment. If someone else votes for him now, does he automatically get lynched or does he have to have the majority at the end of the Day? Sorry if it's a noob question, it is my first time playing

Straight away.

Hm I really have no idea how to play this so vote for strager

adam is really trying to rack up votes for strager. Any tries to distant you in there?

adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.

vote: adam2046 My eye's on you.

I hate you all.

(Yes, I'm fucking DEAD. You guys are fucking GAY.)

...WTF ASH?
...Voting ASH Day 2.



... ... ...WTF?

Well that was fast O_o

Now we wait to see if he's mafia :O

1/9 chance. GoGo Longshot!

Final Votecount:

strager - 5 (m980, Ivalset, adam2046, Lucidity, ASH)
Lucidity - 2 (kuu, strager)
ASH - 1 (Wojjan)
Ivalset - 1 (Echo)

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*In a very quick motion, everyone was riled up, and strager was killed faster than anyone could tally the votes... That is, anyone but strager himself, who happened to be doing so at the time. Unfortunately, it seems that all you could find on his corpse was some vanilla ice cream.*

strager - Vanilla Townie - Mobbed to death D1.

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Please have all night actions in by Wed at 10:30 PM central.

Also, note of a minor rule change. I am allowing prods after 24 hours of non-posting, and replacement if not responded within 36 hours after.

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Great, another vanilla townie killed. This ain't going well, but at least my suspicion on adam is gone, and thus from some others aswell.

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LadySuburu wrote:

Deadline is next Tues at 11:00 AM Central.

What timezone is Central in terms of GMT? (Not everyone lives in the US )

Anyway, 2 down, but we still have 5 Townies against 2 Mafia. Let's make that advantage count by considering our votes carefully today Day 1 is a random vote, but strager went before he could even defend himself. We ended up lynching a townie.

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Central is GMT-6.

Agent Spin Here seems the most suspicious to me right now

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*ghost*

What? D=

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Olinad got replaced (is getting replaced) in M2, therefore why he's not used. As for JI, I want him replacing into M2.

Turns out, ASH really did have no idea how to play.
We didn't get a lot from day one so the only person I find suspicious is Lucidity.
Vote Lucidity

*ghost*

Yay, adam's my ghost!

I guess I should keep up my vote log, eh?

LadySuburu wrote:

Olinad got replaced (is getting replaced) in M2, therefore why he's not used. As for JI, I want him replacing into M2.

Right-o.

adam2046 wrote:

Turns out, ASH really did have no idea how to play.
We didn't get a lot from day one so the only person I find suspicious is Lucidity.

How so?

I guess I should qualify my previous statement (Calling ASH suspicious) too. Although it was only Day1 where every vote is effectively random, ASH seemed to jump at the first opportunity he had to lynch someone. As soon as strager hit 4 votes ASH moved in for the kill. Surely any townie would have waited for a response from strager or some other input before making that vote. He didn't take time to consider the vote at all. It looked more like he saw an opportunity to take out a townie for free.

You claim that the vote was as a result of him being a newbie, but so am I and even I could see that it wasn't a wise move. The fact that you have taken over his role doesn't lend much credibility to your excuse either. Any reason you give will surely be to take suspicion off of yourself, as you have to account for his actions.

I don't actually expect people to believe me. I accept that what ASH did dayone was extremely suspicious and I would vote for me if I were the previous me and still alive.
ASH really didn't know how to play mafia.

Edit: Or ASH was being a git.

Lucidity wrote:

Anyway, 2 down, but we still have 5 Townies against 2 Mafia. Let's make that advantage count by considering our votes carefully today Day 1 is a random vote, but strager went before he could even defend himself. We ended up lynching a townie.

Well I only have minimal suspicion of you, you're different from most other players.
But the use of that phrase kind makes me feel uneasy about you. Also stating what we already know to make it seem like you're doing something is something I find suspicous.

Hehe, I don't think semantics is the best way to make decisions, but there's not much else to go on at this point, I'll give you that I didn't mean "2 down" as in "2 down 5 to go", it's more along the lines of "Officer down" ;p

adam2046 wrote:

Also stating what we already know to make it seem like you're doing something is something I find suspicous.

Well you might have known that, but clearly everyone didn't That first vote was over before anyone could blink. I just thought I'd mention that we should consider the options carefully this time around. I also tend to procrastinate a lot while I'm (should be) studying for exams, hence the posts. I think I'm the most active poster in the thread at the moment, but I don't see how that relates to suspicious activity Maybe you can elaborate on that.

I'll put up a preliminary vote for ASH's actions, but let's see what happens during the course of the day.

Vote: adam2046

Anyway, I think I should stop posting for now. If we're the only two posting we'll end up being the only targets -.- It looks like everyone is trying out the "hide in the shadows" strat :/ We won't find the Mafia that way..

I would like Ivalset, kuwarudo, m980 and wojjan to make *more* posts before I make any calls on people I suspect.

Also, can we get an exorcist in here :3

Huh, well.

Things played out extremely quickly, so it's pretty difficult to place suspicion on the actions made. That said, everyone inside of the strager lynch seems to be a bit suspicious, and I think it's highly unlikely that all five were town. It's quite tragic since I'm one of those, but alas. This leaves myself, m980, Lucidity, and the newly revived adam. Lucidity's accusation seemed to spark the death of strager, so I would say that Lucidity holds quite a bit of suspicion. Agent Spin Here either thought he could easily off someone, or was absolutely stupid. I honestly don't know yet.

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@Lucidity

I wouldn't expect a non-mafia person to say 2 down 5 to go.

I have nothing else to say

Vote Lucidity

Sorry, I wasn't around this thread a lot, was I?
I was planning to talk more, but then WWG2 went to day 5, and I focused on that.

Well, I can kinda see everyone's point of view, except... m980

I know, deja vu and all, but you're not really making sense in your vote:

m980 wrote:

I wouldn't expect a non-mafia person to say 2 down 5 to go.

Lucidity wrote:

I didn't mean "2 down" as in "2 down 5 to go", it's more along the lines of "Officer down" ;p

"Clearly a contradiction"

Also, adam really is planning to get the group against each other. Again. Mafia or not, he's hindering the process of finding Mafia

Reason for edit: Quote tags are suck

I fail at reading

Unvote Lucidity

I don't see, where I'm trying to get the group against each other?
Wojjan I don't get it, I'm trying to encourage discussion since no one is talking.

Whoops, confused the old dead you with the new replacing you. Never mind it then.
The phrase I was referring to was made before you died the first time.

adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.

Seems like an attempt to get someone else to vote strager aswell, and get strager fired up about his vote from the other guy and thus vote for the other etc etc etc.

Also, you wouldn't die even if you were killed.

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So I herd you liek mudkips kuwarudo.

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Votecount 1:

Lucidity - 1 (adam2046)
adam2046 - 1 (Lucidity)

Not Voting - 5 (Echo, Wojjan, m980, kuwarudo, Ivalset)

Come on, you can't have a mexican stand off with just two people ^_^

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I think he means for someone to vote for him, rather than him accepting the fact that someone is voting for him.

So I've looked through the thread again...and again (maybe I'll go again)

Unvote: Lucidity
Vote: Wojjan
FOS: m980 and Lucidity

Wojjan posts are rather weird.

Wojjan wrote:

Great, another vanilla townie killed. This ain't going well, but at least my suspicion on adam is gone, and thus from some others aswell.

I find lament over the death of yesterday's lynch/NK to be suspicous (as we can refer to Mafia 1)

adam2046 wrote:

PS. Sorry Derek. Orz

There's me trying to seem human via lamenting and apologizing for Derek's death.

Wojjan wrote:

adam is really trying to rack up votes for strager. Any tries to distant you in there?

adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.

vote: adam2046 My eye's on you.

Trying to rack up votes against (other)me by saying I'm(other me) trying to rack up votes (which it is quite obviously a joke vote)

Wojjan wrote:

Also, adam really is planning to get the group against each other. Again. Mafia or not, he's hindering the process of finding Mafia

He acknowledges that he knows which me (alive me) he's talking about. Then makes a baseless claim that I'm "hindering the process."

Wojjan wrote:

Whoops, confused the old dead you with the new replacing you. Never mind it then.
The phrase I was referring to was made before you died the first time.

adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.

Seems like an attempt to get someone else to vote strager aswell, and get strager fired up about his vote from the other guy and thus vote for the other etc etc etc.

Saying he got confused about who he was talking about here though, and he still intends to accuse the dead me of getting people "fired up."

m980

m980 wrote:

@Lucidity

I wouldn't expect a non-mafia person to say 2 down 5 to go.

I have nothing else to say

Vote Lucidity

Saying exactly what I said before isn't saying anything at all.

m980 wrote:

Okay sure vote for me.
Anyway, I'll revote Lucidity. Let's see how this turns out.

This is a bandwagon vote right?

Him not appearing very often could mean he just doesn't care that much about the daytime part of the game (or the whole game, but then why are you playing?) which would lead me to believe he's just waiting for nighttime (everyone else seems to have some sort of excuse...except Ival, post more Ival)
I accept that the previous statement is baseless and is pure supposition.


Hey look if I try I can do this sort of thing too.

Post more Ival.

Hm, Lucidity still seems pretty suspicious to me. And so do you, adam. In what was previously Agent Spin's position, I'm still convinced he went for an easy kill.

Vote: adam2046

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adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.
(which it is quite obviously a joke vote)

Things aren't obvious in Werewolf and Mafia

Sorry for my semi-inactivity...My internet died on me for a while.

So at the moment I have 3 people that I"m thinking about voting for...adam2046, kuwarudo and m980.

Adam posted exactly what I was thinking. m980 and kuwarudo seem extremely disinterested in the game. adam2046 (Is that number related to the Korean movie of the same name by any chance? ) explained it in his previous post so I won't repeat the logic here.

m980 might be a little more suspicious to me, because he almost seems to have an air of superiority about him.

m980 wrote:

I have nothing else to say

m980 wrote:

Okay sure vote for me.

It feels like he doesn't care about the daytime part, because he will get his way at nighttime, regardless of what happens during the day.

kuwarudo on the other hand seems completely disinterested in the game. His only post on Day 2 has been:

kuwarudo wrote:

Am I still alive and still in the game?

Now why would he be in this game if he had no interest in playing? Either he dislikes the role he was given, or he wants to stay out of the spotlight and do his business at night. If he dislikes his role, then we'd need to know which roles he does like. Does anyone know what he's played as in other games and how active he was in those games? (Are we allowed to use information such as this?) If he was a vanilla townie and very active that would make me very suspicious of him. If he was a Cop or Doctor he might just not like being vanilla though...

Although I didn't find Wojjan suspicious before, adam2046 brings up an interesting point. Why would he be cognisant of adam2046's situation in one post and not in the next? Trying to spread seeds of doubt or plant suspicion where there is none? He also accused the Townie adam2046 (The dead one~Moar confusion) of trying to rack up votes against strager, even though adam's accusation was clearly in jest.

And finally adam2046. ASH's vote is still very suspicious. Even though adam2046 has proven to be a superior player, that doesn't absolve him of the actions of ASH. The only thing to consider is whether ASH made the decision as a noob townie or a noob mafioso. The motivation for a noob townie would be something along the lines of, "I don't want to go out on Day 1, I might as well vote strager and make sure of that". The motivation if he were mafia is obvious.

His reaction to ASH's vote:

adam2046 wrote:

...WTF ASH?
...Voting ASH Day 2.



... ... ...WTF?

and then later he admits himself that he'd vote for himself if he were another player.

adam2046 wrote:

I accept that what ASH did dayone was extremely suspicious and I would vote for me if I were the previous me and still alive.

ASH never had the opportunity to explain why he did what he did though. Except for ASH's vote adam2046 doesn't seem very suspicious to me :/ Then again there isn't very much to base your votes on in this game and that vote is definitely something. (Dare I say concrete?)

I don't know what to make of this :@ At the moment though, I think the Mafia consists of some combination of adam2046, m980, kuwarudo and maybe Wojjan.

I'm going to keep my vote as is for the moment, but that might change if m980 and kuwarudo don't become more active.

Wojjan wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Voting for the person who's found a tiny bit of evidence against you.
(which it is quite obviously a joke vote)

Things aren't obvious in Werewolf and Mafia

Hmmm, true. I'd have to say that comment had to be in jest though. I quoted strager's post and insinuated that he's Mafia because he used the word "kill" in an unrelated manner to the game. That post was obviously not serious. adam then referred to that post as finding evidence against strager. adam2046 seems to have a very level head on his shoulders and I never considered that he was being serious there. I don't think anyone did. Trying to claim that the post was serious in order to shove some suspicion onto him is suspicious in its own right to me.

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Lucidity wrote:

(Is that number related to the Korean movie of the same name by any chance? )

Nah, I've been using this since waaaaaay before then.

Apparently Kuu's reason for inactivity is also a dead internet (he posted in WW2 and I reposted it in WW3 if you wanna see, too lazy to link...)

strager wrote:

To make your vote official please bold your votes. Thanks.

Whoops. Fixed.

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kuwarudo wrote:

My internet died for a week. It just got repaired today. I found some hotspots though.

Oh ok You've got a lot of posting to do to catch up. So get to it

I just had a look at the one Werewolf game and ASH is still alive at Night 3 there. Clearly he knows how to play the game. That means his vote on Day 1 wasn't out of ignorance, but simply due to bad play. Sorry adam, but ASH's actions have pretty much doomed you :/

That leaves one more mafia to find...kuwarudo hasn't been any more active now that he has his internet back, so my shortlist for the last mafia member is still m980, kuwarudo and Wojjan.

I could say I'm not a Mafia, but that wouldn't really help huh?

Actually, m980 is on my list aswell, but I can't really give a real good reason (yet) so I'm letting him slide.

This isn't WW.
The rules are different in Mafia.

Did I vote already? Oh wait, I didn't, uh, vote for uhm, Ivalset

:-/

adam2046 wrote:

This isn't WW.
The rules are different in Mafia.

Yeah sure, WW is more complicated, but the basic premise is the same. You'd expect someone from WW to play this game better even

*ghost*

Lucidity wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

This isn't WW.
The rules are different in Mafia.

Yeah sure, WW is more complicated, but the basic premise is the same. You'd expect someone from WW to play this game better even

In WW there is no auto-lynch when there is a majority. In Mafia there is.

That is in ASH's defense, of course.

Just a reminder of the rules...

14. Once a player is dead, they cannot contribute any more to the game. They are not to post anything. (I'll accept a simple Bah! or Go Town!)

Now to show how your claim is invalid...

I asked a question on page 4:

Lucidity wrote:

On an unrelated note, unless I counted wrong, strager is on 4 votes at the moment. If someone else votes for him now, does he automatically get lynched or does he have to have the majority at the end of the Day? Sorry if it's a noob question, it is my first time playing

Which was replied to the very next post with:

adam2046 wrote:

Straight away.

ASH's vote was the very next post after adam's confirmation of the rule:

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Hm I really have no idea how to play this so vote for strager

There is no way that he did not know about that rule, even if he did miss it at the very top of the first post in this thread. (Although that might have been added later?)

We really need an exorcist.

I'll make a post after I catch up with the thread.

What I find most suspicious about adam is how he's using the "comment on nightkill" tell to attack wojjan when I misread the same tell in M2.

adam2046 wrote:

I find lament over the death of yesterday's lynch/NK to be suspicous (as we can refer to Mafia 1)

Read viewtopic.php?p=145737#p145737 where adam swears over the NK of bagelbob, an extremely scummy thing to do, which resulted in his lynch. Note that he was a vanilla townie in that game.

Not to mention that half his attacks in the same post are extremely forced, eg. 4th wojjan quote point is obviously just an explanation for why he said what he said, and you still use it against him.

I guess this won't come as a surprise. Vote: adam

edit: mod: vote count please

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*ghost*

@Lucidity: Sorry; I'll refrain from posting further, except for this post, of course.

LS said I could maintain my vote log as long as everyone is fine with it. If there are any objections I will stop updating or remove the post.

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Sorry, I'm going to be a bit busy for a while...

In return, Deadline is extended until Thursday at this time.

You guys are boring. I extend the deadline and nobody talks.

Final Votecount:

adam2046 - 3 (Lucidity, Ivalset, Echo)
Wojjan - 1 (adam2046)
Lucidity - 1 (m980)
Ivalset - 1 (Kuwarudo)

Not Voting - 1 (Wojjan)

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*The day ended in complete silence, with almost half the people wanting to kill the newly revived adam. It was so quiet, and so uneventful even, that adam's newly revived mind couldn't take it....*

adam2046: GIIIIIIIIIIBSSSSSS! GIIIIIIIIIBSSSSSSS!

*Everyone thought he had lost his mind... and he had. He pulls out a big remote and presses a ton of buttons. What happens next contains so much blood, guts, gore, and rabbits, that I can't even begin to describe it. Let's just say that what happened here, nobody will want to repeat. Oh, and you should take a shower. You really smell of adam right now.*

adam2046 - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D2

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Please send in all night actions by Saturday at 8:00 AM. If I have internet at that point, I'll update the thread. If I don't, I still won't accept any actions sent in after that deadline. The sooner all actions are in, the better.

*You discover the body of wojjan, a bullet through his brain, in the middle of the street. Searching his body, you find a cop's badge...*

Wojjan - Cop - Killed N2.

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With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Deadline is next satruday at 8:00 AM

but wait, there's a note in Wojjan's pocket, containing his final words!

Left this note so you would know what my final wishes are. Unless you don't find it, please read my final message. 'Cause of my death, my hands are getting weaker as I write. I can't keep this on for long. Death, of course, comes to all, but this was not what I expected. I want you all to know that I'm rooting for you. Thanks to those who trusted me, and aided me on the way. You were the best support an officer could wish for in this case.

Best of luck, Vanillas.

(the rest of the note is unreadable, and mostly gibberish anyway)

/salute

Now to wait 5 days for the weekly m980 and Kuwarudo posts..

Hm, are you saying that solely because they don't post often, or because you'd rather wait for them to make a move first?

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So what exactly do you want me to say?

Edit: I'll just go ahead and vote Ivalset.

He has not really been contributing (Oh the irony).
He has been saying that other people are suspicious, but gives no reasoning. Furthermore, most of these people he finds suspicious were "Town".

I would rather wait for kuwarudo to make a post before making any decisions.