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val0108

Lalarun wrote:

Garven wrote:

Did some IRC modding.

SPOILER
13:55 <Garven> : 00:28:692 (1) -
13:56 <Garven> : How about ending it at 00:30:978 - ?
13:56 <Lalarun> : OK!
13:56 <Garven> : Applies to all difficulties
13:58 <Garven> : I am worried about how many 1/2 rhythms there are in this Easy though.
13:58 <Garven> : Especially with 01:16:692 (1,2,3,4) -
13:58 <Garven> : So many in a row
13:58 <Garven> : Maybe delete the 2 and 4
13:59 <Garven> : 01:35:549 (1) - Too soon after a spinner for an easy
13:59 <Garven> : 01:37:263 (3,4) - Kind of a tricky rhythm
14:01 <Lalarun> : hm
14:01 <Garven> : 02:19:549 (1) - End this at 02:21:978 - to allow for more recovery time
14:02 <Garven> : 02:32:692 (1) - Too soon after spinner
14:03 <Garven> : 02:34:406 (3,4) - Same as earlier
14:03 <Garven> : 02:36:692 (1) - End this at 02:39:978 -
14:04 <Garven> : 02:55:549 (2,2) - eeeh I really don't like these in Easy difficulties
14:04 <Garven> : 03:03:549 (1) - delete
14:06 <Lalarun> : OK!
14:06 <Garven> : 03:10:978 (1) - How about this rhythm here? http://puu.sh/nC0l
14:09 <Lalarun> : OK, thank you!
14:13 <Garven> : 02:19:549 (1) - End this at 02:21:978 -
14:13 <Garven> : In [Normal]
14:14 <Lalarun> : change~
14:15 <Garven> : 02:29:263 (4) - remove finish from the end
14:16 <Lalarun> : wow
14:16 <Lalarun> : thank you XD
14:16 <Garven> : 03:03:549 (1) - add new combo
14:17 <Lalarun> : 03:04:121 (2) - remove
14:17 <Lalarun> : ?
14:18 <Garven> : no, leave it
14:18 <Garven> : Only add on 1
14:18 <Lalarun> : OK
14:19 <Garven> : btw
14:19 <Garven> : Tick rate 2 sounds much better~
14:20 <Lalarun> : OK!
14:22 <Garven> : In hard
14:22 <Garven> : 02:19:549 (1) - End at 02:21:978 -
14:26 <Garven> : Ijou Nasi: 02:19:549 (1,2,1,2) - hidoi ;_;
14:27 <Garven> : 02:20:763 (1) - end at 02:21:978 -
14:28 <Lalarun> : hm
14:30 <Lalarun> : bad spacing?
14:31 <Garven> : I kept slide rbreaking.
14:31 <Garven> : 100's
14:35 <Lalarun> : wow XD
14:35 <Garven> : I have a suggestion for your storyboard too
14:36 <Garven> : Right now you have strobes going every two beats
14:36 <Garven> : I think if you have strobes during strong parts of the song, it would fit much better
14:37 <Garven> : So strobe at 02:41:264 - then 02:42:264 -
14:37 <Garven> : And follow that pattern
14:38 <Garven> : Follow that until 02:59:549 -
14:38 <Garven> : You can do a long long strobe here
14:38 <Garven> : and at 03:01:835 - and 03:04:121 -
14:39 <Lalarun> : hm,
14:39 <Lalarun> : Sorry
14:40 <Lalarun> : I can't SB :(
14:40 <Garven> : Who made this SB?
14:41 <Garven> : Because right now the strobe feels off-time
14:41 <Garven> : The strong rhythmica emphasis doesn't like every two beats during this part

14:33 <Garven> : 02:11:549 (1) - Hrm, feels weird. Might be better having it like this: http://puu.sh/nCg0
14:34 <Garven> : 02:20:692 (1) - end this at 02:21:978 -
14:34 <Garven> : 02:19:549 (1) - end this at 02:20:692 - and start 02:20:692 (1) - at 02:20:835 -
14:36 <val0108> : 02:11:692 (2) - done
14:39 <Garven> : That's all for your diff
14:39 <val0108> : 02:20:692 (1) -
14:39 <val0108> : done
14:39 <val0108> : but,02:19:549 (1) - not change
14:40 <Garven> : Hm, okay
Thx Garven~ :)

Fixed!

lららんがOK!しか言ってなくて萌えた。
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Garven wrote:

[All difficulties]
I still think Tick rate 2 would fit this song better. Changed

[Normal, Hard, Ijou Nashi]
00:28:692 (1) - End this at 00:31:978 - OK

[Ijou Ari]
Tick rate is still 0.5. Change to at least 1, but 2 is better~

OK


Sorry, Yesterday was the work :(
Thank you~ :)
Topic Starter
Lalarun

val0108 wrote:

lららんがOK!しか言ってなくて萌えた。
英語力が幼稚園児だからなwwwどやwww
Garven
Ack, a few more things, sorry:

[Hard]
01:34:978 (1) - New combo
02:32:120 (1) - New combo

[Normal]
03:03:549 (1) - Remove new combo

[Easy]
01:36:121 (1) - New combo
02:33:263 (1) - New combo
02:41:263 (1) - New combo
03:04:121 (1) - New combo

If someone else asks you to add new combos to the notes at 03:03:549 - in any of your difficulties, refuse them. The way the combo works in this phrase the new combo shouldn't be applied until 03:04:121 -
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Garven wrote:

Ack, a few more things, sorry:

[Hard]
01:34:978 (1) - New combo
02:32:120 (1) - New combo

[Normal]
03:03:549 (1) - Remove new combo

[Easy]
01:36:121 (1) - New combo
02:33:263 (1) - New combo
02:41:263 (1) - New combo
03:04:121 (1) - New combo

If someone else asks you to add new combos to the notes at 03:03:549 - in any of your difficulties, refuse them. The way the combo works in this phrase the new combo shouldn't be applied until 03:04:121 -
All fixed

thank you~ :)
Garven
Rebubbled!
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Garven wrote:

Rebubbled!
thanks!!
val0108
早く早く
Dangaard
Some few things should be fixed

[Easy]
02:54:406 (2,1) - there is a timing overlap here

[Normal]
You should increase HP by 1 and OD by 2

[Hard]
Increase OD by 1

[Ijou Nashi]
Increase OD by 1
00:14:406 (9,10) - sounds like there is missing a beat after these

[Ijou Ari]
Increase OD by 1
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Dangaard wrote:

Some few things should be fixed

[Easy]
02:54:406 (2,1) - there is a timing overlap here wow.thanks XD

[Normal]
You should increase HP by 1 and OD by 2 fixed

[Hard]
Increase OD by 1 fixed

[Ijou Nashi]
Increase OD by 1 fixed
00:14:406 (9,10) - sounds like there is missing a beat after these fixed

[Ijou Ari]
Increase OD by 1fixed


thx mod!!
Dangaard
I think you forgot to increase OD in Hard
Apricot
someone call lalarun right now i cant wait
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Dangaard wrote:

I think you forgot to increase OD in Hard
Sorry :(

Done!

and

00:14:406 (9,10,11,12) - change
Colin Hou
iloveteemobutofcoursenotthisone;w;\\rebubbled
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Colin Hou wrote:

iloveteemobutofcoursenotthisone;w;\\rebubbled
teemo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks~ :D
Dangaard
and ranked
Gamu
おめでとおおおおおおおお

ついにきたw
theowest
fuck this is hard!
Verdisphena
Grats \o/
xsrsbsns
Grats!
Derekku
Unfortunately, we'll have to unrank this since there are at least two major issues.

[Ijou Ari]
00:28:692 (1) - Yes, this sounds good, but making crumbled sliders to abuse slider speeds (e.g. hold sliders) has been unrankable for the past year or two.
00:55:835 (1) - Personally, I'd change this so a 1/4 slider; 1/8 makes this feel like a hold slider as well.
01:39:549 (1) - Second repeat is 100% invisible.

I haven't looked through the rest of the mapset, but overall it seems pretty solid (good job!). Let's get this re-ranked quickly! (:
Muya
ijou ari
BlazingFX
^ I see what you did thar ;P
val0108
異常ありまくりんぐ。すまんららん

Edit: http://puu.sh/pPss

Derekku wrote:

Unfortunately, we'll have to unrank this since there are at least two major issues.

[Ijou Ari]
00:28:692 (1) - Yes, this sounds good, but making crumbled sliders to abuse slider speeds (e.g. hold sliders) has been unrankable for the past year or two.done
00:55:835 (1) - Personally, I'd change this so a 1/4 slider; 1/8 makes this feel like a hold slider as well.I think the sound of here to be 1/8.and no change.I'll ask you
01:39:549 (1) - Second repeat is 100% invisible.done

I haven't looked through the rest of the mapset, but overall it seems pretty solid (good job!). Let's get this re-ranked quickly! (:
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Lalarun wrote:

val0108 wrote:

異常ありまくりんぐ。すまんららん

Edit: http://puu.sh/pPss
どんまい!
帰ったらすぐ直す、ありがと!

Derekku wrote:

Unfortunately, we'll have to unrank this since there are at least two major issues.

[Ijou Ari]
00:28:692 (1) - Yes, this sounds good, but making crumbled sliders to abuse slider speeds (e.g. hold sliders) has been unrankable for the past year or two.
00:55:835 (1) - Personally, I'd change this so a 1/4 slider; 1/8 makes this feel like a hold slider as well.
01:39:549 (1) - Second repeat is 100% invisible.

I haven't looked through the rest of the mapset, but overall it seems pretty solid (good job!). Let's get this re-ranked quickly! (:
thanks~ :)

done
Kurai
Let's see ~

[Hard]
  1. 00:46:692 (2) - Regarding the fact that this difficulty is a Hard, this jump is too big ! I don't mind having a jump here, but this one is too much unexpected. Better like this :
  2. 03:03:549 (1,2) - It is hard to recover after a spinner, so if you could do an easier pattern here. (The jump is kinda huge, vertical and it is at the right edge of the screen, this is not really comfortable to play).
[Ijou Nashi]
  1. 00:20:514 (4,5) - Not sure if this 1/8 is a good thing. I mean the song is 210BPM, this is just evil. xD
  2. 00:42:835 (4,5) - Hm, this pattern is very confusing. The AR is very high, so you can hardly say which is the slider and which is the circle.
    ^ When I see this, I expect (4) to be the slider, but it isn't :/
  3. 00:55:621 - Personally, i would add a circle here. :3
  4. 02:02:835 (2,3) - Same thing as before here.
That's a very good mapset, goodjob ~ However I won't rebubble if you don't fix the issues I pointed out, Those need to be changed (expect 00:55:621 and the 1/8 doubles in Ijou Nashi).

Call me back when fixes are done. ~
theowest

Kurai wrote:

Let's see ~

[Hard]
  1. 00:46:692 (2) - Regarding the fact that this difficulty is a Hard, this jump is too big ! I don't mind having a jump here, but this one is too much unexpected. Better like this :
  2. 03:03:549 (1,2) - It is hard to recover after a spinner, so if you could do an easier pattern here. (The jump is kinda huge, vertical and it is at the right edge of the screen, this is not really comfortable to play).
oh snap. i guess i'll be losing my SS ;_;
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Kurai wrote:

Let's see ~

[Hard]
  1. 00:46:692 (2) - Regarding the fact that this difficulty is a Hard, this jump is too big ! I don't mind having a jump here, but this one is too much unexpected. Better like this : changed

  2. 03:03:549 (1,2) - It is hard to recover after a spinner, so if you could do an easier pattern here. (The jump is kinda huge, vertical and it is at the right edge of the screen, this is not really comfortable to play). changed
[Ijou Nashi]
  1. 00:20:514 (4,5) - Not sure if this 1/8 is a good thing. I mean the song is 210BPM, this is just evil. xD sorry, no change
  2. 00:42:835 (4,5) - Hm, this pattern is very confusing. The AR is very high, so you can hardly say which is the slider and which is the circle. changed
    ^ When I see this, I expect (4) to be the slider, but it isn't :/
  3. 00:55:621 - Personally, i would add a circle here. :3 changed
  4. 02:02:835 (2,3) - Same thing as before here. changed
That's a very good mapset, goodjob ~ However I won't rebubble if you don't fix the issues I pointed out, Those need to be changed (expect 00:55:621 and the 1/8 doubles in Ijou Nashi).

Call me back when fixes are done. ~
thanks :)
Topic Starter
Lalarun

theowest wrote:

Kurai wrote:

Let's see ~

[Hard]
  1. 00:46:692 (2) - Regarding the fact that this difficulty is a Hard, this jump is too big ! I don't mind having a jump here, but this one is too much unexpected. Better like this :
  2. 03:03:549 (1,2) - It is hard to recover after a spinner, so if you could do an easier pattern here. (The jump is kinda huge, vertical and it is at the right edge of the screen, this is not really comfortable to play).
oh snap. i guess i'll be losing my SS ;_;
Sorry... :(
Kurai
Ok ~ let's rerank this. :3
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Kurai wrote:

Ok ~ let's rerank this. :3
thanks~ :)
ziin
Lunatic princess?

[general]
offset +5
lolcubes was getting +15, and I normally hit early. Any further changes can be made on a per user basis I think, but since both of us were hitting late you should at least do +5, and double check it yourself.
This is the worst overmapping I've seen in a long, long time.

[hard]
00:43:549 (4) - all of my hate. I'm going to vote 1 if this note stays in the map. I can't believe it got ranked once with it here...
00:46:121 (4) - what the hell is going on here. Do I have the right mp3?
02:29:548 (1) - you're killing me

[easy]
00:43:549 (2) - move it 1/1 later and take off a repeat

[normal]
00:43:549 (4) - I'm going to point it out on every single difficulty.
00:46:121 (3) - This should fit much better. http://puu.sh/pYZa
02:22:978 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the slider end should really be a soft hitsound

[ijou nashi]
this type of overmapping isn't as bad as the stuff found in hard/normal/easy, so I don't feel as strongly about it. Nevertheless I still dislike it.
01:44:121 - nevermind I take that back. I don't expect you to change this, and I don't expect my threat of voting 1 is going to change your mind (it's going to happen unless you make major changes to this difficulty).

[Ijou Ari]
01:15:263 (3,3) - delete these
ugh

Please don't take me telling you I'm going to vote 1 on your map the wrong way. At least I'm telling you the reason (and before it's ranked at that, so you at least have the opportunity to change it), unlike the anonymous voters.
lolcubes
Just for the record, I was getting +12, but settled with +10 (1274). Just saying.
Anyways I'll post my mod later, once you check ziin's mod.
Topic Starter
Lalarun

ziin wrote:

Lunatic princess?

[general]
offset +5 i change to +10
lolcubes was getting +15, and I normally hit early. Any further changes can be made on a per user basis I think, but since both of us were hitting late you should at least do +5, and double check it yourself.
This is the worst overmapping I've seen in a long, long time.

[hard]
00:43:549 (4) - all of my hate. I'm going to vote 1 if this note stays in the map. I can't believe it got ranked once with it here...
00:46:121 (4) - what the hell is going on here. Do I have the right mp3?
02:29:548 (1) - you're killing me

[easy]
00:43:549 (2) - move it 1/1 later and take off a repeat changed

[normal]
00:43:549 (4) - I'm going to point it out on every single difficulty. changed
00:46:121 (3) - This should fit much better. http://puu.sh/pYZa
02:22:978 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the slider end should really be a soft hitsound

[ijou nashi]
this type of overmapping isn't as bad as the stuff found in hard/normal/easy, so I don't feel as strongly about it. Nevertheless I still dislike it.
01:44:121 - nevermind I take that back. I don't expect you to change this, and I don't expect my threat of voting 1 is going to change your mind (it's going to happen unless you make major changes to this difficulty).

Please don't take me telling you I'm going to vote 1 on your map the wrong way. At least I'm telling you the reason (and before it's ranked at that, so you at least have the opportunity to change it), unlike the anonymous voters.
thank you mod!
val0108
Ijou Ari
01:15:263 (3,3) - delete these

@_@
Muya
[Ijou Ari]
02:41:273 (1) - unsnapped note
kudosu plz
lolcubes
Ok lets see.

[General]
All green timing sections that happen just before spinner ends should be at the spinner ends instead. Like they are currently, they interrupt the volume while you stil spin, and that sounds bad if you ask me.

[Easy]
  1. Everything is unsnapped, you need to resnap correctly.
  2. AR+1, AR2 is too slow for the speed of the map.
  3. I am against tickrate 2 for easy diffs, it makes it sound too busy while the note spread is sparse, but it works i suppose, up to you.
  4. 01:21:835 (4) - Should remove the finish from here, it goes against the rhythm in the song and sounds bad.
  5. 01:38:549 (3) - Not fond of that finish at the end, but this one doesn't kill the rhythm atleast, up to you if you want to remove it or not.
  6. 02:18:978 (4) - Same thing here, this finish goes against the rhythm in the song. It would be much better if it was at, for example, 02:18:406 (3) instead.
  7. 02:35:692 (3) - Same has 01:38:549 in this mod.
  8. 03:15:559 - Make this timing section a soft hitsound, with the normal hitsound the end doesn't seem silenced. Actually this goes for all diffs where you want to silence the spinner ends, use a soft hitsound set for them, with normal they are still audible.
[Normal]
  1. Same hitsound comments about this diff just like in easy.
[Hard]
A bit hard for a hard, but I guess the HP drain is lenient enough for less skilled people to atleast pass it. Just a commentary I guess.

[Ijou Ari]
At first I thought this was the easier diff of the two, but I don't think so, I find it a bit harder. It also yields more score.
  1. 00:55:845 (1) - Eh, what is this? :p This looks and sounds bad. If you want to immitate the sound from the music, make a slider from 00:55:845 to 00:56:131 and maybe make it wiggly or something, or just have a circle. This slider is completely meaningless and awkward.
  2. 02:01:273 (2,3) - Whoa something went horribly wrong here!
  3. 02:10:845 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Whole diff is a bit overmapped, but this is just silly. You followed the music and the vocals pretty nicely and even added intensity with the SV changes, however you just mapped a random stream which doesn't fit at all and is a bit awkward to hit as the spacing from the previous object is quite huge. Maybe think of some slider jumps instead? Would be much better and enjoyable to play atleast.
  4. 02:41:273 (1,2) - Whoa something went horribly wrong here!
    03:12:702 (4,5) - This spacing needs to be bigger. It's readable as it is now, but it's just awkward for no apparent reason, as the final note doesn't really make a positional pattern.
[Ijou Nashi]
  1. 00:20:416 (3,4) - This spacing needs to be fixed. I know you had a 1/8 here, but I find this 1/4 to be much better btw, so I would like if you don't bring your 1/8 back (this goes for all of similar things), it plays a bit strange and the approach circles blend with each other so on occasion it's possible to only notice it as a one note instead of 2.
  2. 00:24:988 (5,6) - Same thing.
  3. 00:28:416 (2,3) - Why not put that finish on 3 instead of the 2? It sounds much better.
  4. 00:55:845 (7) - I always found this strange, why not extend it to 00:56:131 so it follows the music better? Would feel better too.
  5. 02:19:559 (1,2,1,2) - The spacing between each slider pair is a bit big and could be misread, you should change it so each pair has smaller spacing.
  6. 02:51:273 (3) - You need to reposition this slider a bit, either a bit up or down, like it is now, it's almost unnoticeable it's a slider because of the chain of hitbursts from a previous stream. You do see it, but I think it's a bit too late when you do. See this picture, I rotated the slider 3 by 10 degrees and slider 4 by -10 degrees, you still keep your pattern, but you avoid this problem, it also looks nice since it still connects with the upcoming notes 5, 6, etc.
  7. 03:04:988 (5,6) - Spacing!
  8. 03:08:131 (1,2,3,4,5) - This spacing is a bit extreme and too inconsistent. Try changing your pattern to this? I think it plays better like this and looks nicer too.
  9. 03:09:559 (5,6) - Spacing!


That's about it! Forum PM me once you apply your changes please.
val0108

lolcubes wrote:

[Ijou Ari]
At first I thought this was the easier diff of the two, but I don't think so, I find it a bit harder. It also yields more score.
  1. 00:55:845 (1) - Eh, what is this? :p This looks and sounds bad. If you want to immitate the sound from the music, make a slider from 00:55:845 to 00:56:131 and maybe make it wiggly or something, or just have a circle. This slider is completely meaningless and awkward.
  2. 02:01:273 (2,3) - Whoa something went horribly wrong here! done
  3. 02:10:845 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Whole diff is a bit overmapped, but this is just silly. You followed the music and the vocals pretty nicely and even added intensity with the SV changes, however you just mapped a random stream which doesn't fit at all and is a bit awkward to hit as the spacing from the previous object is quite huge. Maybe think of some slider jumps instead? Would be much better and enjoyable to play atleast.
  4. 02:41:273 (1,2) - Whoa something went horribly wrong here!done
    03:12:702 (4,5) - This spacing needs to be bigger. It's readable as it is now, but it's just awkward for no apparent reason, as the final note doesn't really make a positional pattern.
done
thanks!!
Topic Starter
Lalarun

lolcubes wrote:

Ok lets see.

[General]
All green timing sections that happen just before spinner ends should be at the spinner ends instead. Like they are currently, they interrupt the volume while you stil spin, and that sounds bad if you ask me. fixed

[Easy]
  1. Everything is unsnapped, you need to resnap correctly. fixed
  2. AR+1, AR2 is too slow for the speed of the map. fixed
  3. I am against tickrate 2 for easy diffs, it makes it sound too busy while the note spread is sparse, but it works i suppose, up to you. changed
  4. 01:21:835 (4) - Should remove the finish from here, it goes against the rhythm in the song and sounds bad. fixed
  5. 01:38:549 (3) - Not fond of that finish at the end, but this one doesn't kill the rhythm atleast, up to you if you want to remove it or not.
  6. 02:18:978 (4) - Same thing here, this finish goes against the rhythm in the song. It would be much better if it was at, for example, 02:18:406 (3) instead. fixed
  7. 02:35:692 (3) - Same has 01:38:549 in this mod. fixed
  8. 03:15:559 - Make this timing section a soft hitsound, with the normal hitsound the end doesn't seem silenced. Actually this goes for all diffs where you want to silence the spinner ends, use a soft hitsound set for them, with normal they are still audible. fixed


[Normal]
  1. Same hitsound comments about this diff just like in easy. fixed


[Hard]
A bit hard for a hard, but I guess the HP drain is lenient enough for less skilled people to atleast pass it. Just a commentary I guess. HP-1

[Ijou Nashi]
  1. 00:20:416 (3,4) - This spacing needs to be fixed. I know you had a 1/8 here, but I find this 1/4 to be much better btw, so I would like if you don't bring your 1/8 back (this goes for all of similar things), it plays a bit strange and the approach circles blend with each other so on occasion it's possible to only notice it as a one note instead of 2. wow. Fixed
  2. 00:24:988 (5,6) - Same thing. fixed
  3. 00:28:416 (2,3) - Why not put that finish on 3 instead of the 2? It sounds much better. Thanks! fixed
  4. 00:55:845 (7) - I always found this strange, why not extend it to 00:56:131 so it follows the music better? Would feel better too. fixed
  5. 02:19:559 (1,2,1,2) - The spacing between each slider pair is a bit big and could be misread, you should change it so each pair has smaller spacing. changed
  6. 02:51:273 (3) - You need to reposition this slider a bit, either a bit up or down, like it is now, it's almost unnoticeable it's a slider because of the chain of hitbursts from a previous stream. You do see it, but I think it's a bit too late when you do. See this picture, I rotated the slider 3 by 10 degrees and slider 4 by -10 degrees, you still keep your pattern, but you avoid this problem, it also looks nice since it still connects with the upcoming notes 5, 6, etc. Good! thanks~
  7. 03:04:988 (5,6) - Spacing! fixed
  8. 03:08:131 (1,2,3,4,5) - This spacing is a bit extreme and too inconsistent. Try changing your pattern to this? I think it plays better like this and looks nicer too. change~
  9. 03:09:559 (5,6) - Spacing! fixed

    and

    02:57:274 (1,2,3,4) - change




That's about it! Forum PM me once you apply your changes please.
thank you!
very nice mod, That's better :)
Topic Starter
Lalarun

Muya wrote:

[Ijou Ari]
02:41:273 (1) - unsnapped note
kudosu plz
aza-su
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