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Nippon Shonen - Chance and Dice

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Cygnus
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Topic Starter
Cygnus
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 21 April 2012 at 01:44:48

Artist: Nippon Shonen
Title: Chance and Dice
Source: Dance Dance Revolution X2
Tags: DDR jubeat
BPM: 150
Filesize: 1714kb
Play Time: 01:35
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (2.49 stars, 112 notes)
  2. Hard (4.84 stars, 232 notes)
  3. Normal (3.87 stars, 151 notes)
Download: Nippon Shonen - Chance and Dice
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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mod mod mod ~

14th April, that Goddamn Insane Diff is gone *poof*
Last edited by Cygnus , edited 6 times in total.
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Cygnus
:) :) :) :)
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
4,298 posts
Joined July 2011
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
2nd!
Yasora
2,702 posts
Joined May 2010
Yasora
3rd~ lol
Regou
1,916 posts
Joined July 2010
Regou
From#modreq
[Insane]
AR-1
00:15:150 (1) - Try Ctrl+r
00:47:950 (1,2) - The clap hitsound here is so weird for me...'
00:49:550 (3,4) - ^
00:50:350 (1) - Use finish hitsound at the start of this slider and clap hitsound at the end of this slider
00:50:950 (2) - Remove clap
00:51:150 (3,4) - Same as 00:47:950 (1,2) and 00:49:550 (3,4)
00:51:950 (1) - rrr same as 00:50:350 (1)
00:52:750 (3,4) - rrr
00:57:150 (1) - NC
01:02:950 (8) - Remove clap
rrr the clap hitsound and finish hitsound is so weird in this diff ...
[Hard]
00:21:550 (1) - NC?
00:42:150 (9) - Remove clap
Not going to nazi about the hitsound here...rrr
[Normal]
You use a larger spacing for notes like 00:19:950 (1,2,3,4). It's quite confusing.
[Easy]
00:58:350 (3,4) - rrr combine them into one slider
01:01:550 (4,5) - ^
01:11:150 (1,2) - ^
01:14:350 (1,2) - ^

Can do better on hitsounds. Really.
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Response to Regou's Mod
SPOILER

Regou wrote:

From#modreq
[Insane]
AR-1
00:15:150 (1) - Try Ctrl+r no
00:47:950 (1,2) - The clap hitsound here is so weird for me...' it's good for me
00:49:550 (3,4) - ^ ^
00:50:350 (1) - Use finish hitsound at the start of this slider and clap hitsound at the end of this slider no
00:50:950 (2) - Remove clap okay
00:51:150 (3,4) - Same as 00:47:950 (1,2) and 00:49:550 (3,4) no
00:51:950 (1) - rrr same as 00:50:350 (1) no
00:52:750 (3,4) - rrr no
00:57:150 (1) - NC okay
01:02:950 (8) - Remove clap no
rrr the clap hitsound and finish hitsound is so weird in this diff ... it's great for me
[Hard]
00:21:550 (1) - NC? no
00:42:150 (9) - Remove clap okay
Not going to nazi about the hitsound here...rrr
[Normal]
You use a larger spacing for notes like 00:19:950 (1,2,3,4). It's quite confusing. nah, it's fine.
[Easy]
00:58:350 (3,4) - rrr combine them into one slider no
01:01:550 (4,5) - ^ no
01:11:150 (1,2) - ^ no
01:14:350 (1,2) - ^ no

Can do better on hitsounds. Really.
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[CSGA]Ar3sgice
4,298 posts
Joined July 2011
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
hard diff needs more hitsounding

Insane

  1. AR8 is better to me...
  2. 00:58:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this
  3. 01:04:150 (5,6,7,8) - use the same spacing of that triplet, otherwise it looks weird.
  4. 01:05:750 (5,6,7,8) - ^
  5. 01:06:950 (2,3,4) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot355.jpg
  6. 01:14:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - move to center? fitting the previous combo pattern
  7. 01:16:950 (5,6,7,8) - spacing larger, also 01:18:550 and 01:20:150
  8. 01:19:950 (4) - move to somewhere else plz... i miss every time
  9. 01:25:550 (1,2) - less curve these sliders
Hard

  1. 01:14:550 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this, much better to play. http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot356-0.jpg
  2. 01:01:750 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
Normal

  1. 00:47:950 (1) - too far away
Easy

  1. 00:58:950 (4) - this stack may be hard for beginners
  2. 01:02:150 (5) - ^
  3. 01:11:750 (2) - ^
  4. 01:14:950 (2) - ^
that's all

Good luck~
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Response to [CSGA]Ar3sgice's Mod
SPOILER

[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:

hard diff needs more hitsounding

Insane

  1. ✔ AR8 is better to me...
  2. ✘ 00:58:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this? it's a pentagon
  3. ✘ 01:04:150 (5,6,7,8) - use the same spacing of that triplet, otherwise it looks weird.
  4. ✘ 01:05:750 (5,6,7,8) - ^
  5. ✘ 01:06:950 (2,3,4) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot355.jpg
  6. ✘ 01:14:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - move to center? fitting the previous combo pattern
  7. ✘ 01:16:950 (5,6,7,8) - spacing larger, also 01:18:550 and 01:20:150
  8. ✘ 01:19:950 (4) - move to somewhere else plz... i miss every time
  9. ✘ 01:25:550 (1,2) - less curve these sliders
Hard

  1. ✔ 01:14:550 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this, much better to play. http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot356-0.jpg
  2. ✔ 01:01:750 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
Normal

  1. ✘ 00:47:950 (1) - too far away. there's a long break anyway, so it's fine.
Easy

  1. ✘ 00:58:950 (4) - this stack may be hard for beginners. This could teach beginners to read approach circles.
  2. ✘ 01:02:150 (5) - ^
  3. ✘ 01:11:750 (2) - ^
  4. ✘ 01:14:950 (2) - ^
that's all

Good luck~ THANKS! ~ (:
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L_P
1,370 posts
Joined July 2011
L_P
i was about to post a useless modpost , plz forgive me

easy
00:21:150 (4) - soft whistle sounds better to me..
00:33:550 (3) - and 00:35:150 (3) - consider move clap to note 4?
00:51:950 (1,2,3,4) - wow really shouldnt make large spacing maybe ctrl + r 2 and 4?
00:58:950 (4) - for me, i would not follow vocal...


Normal
00:22:350 (4,5) - hard reading..
00:25:550 (4,5) - same (it was so easy for us to read, but hell for beginners...consider making it into sliders)
00:40:750 (1,2,3,4) - if not mistaken the spacing was too large
00:45:150 (5) - http://puu.sh/oOAo
at kiai time, there was hardly a rest for players, however it is up to you to remove some notes shit i thought i was modding easy T.T

though it was fairly harder for normal, but really nice pattern and shape!

Hard
00:38:350 (3) - you know, your can make prettier blanket
01:09:150 (4) - you missed a clap?
finish with finish!! (slap) why y forgot!!! volume 75% as well

Insane
00:46:850 (6,7) - ctrl + r this? make some variety between same patterns sounds good to me..
feel like some repeating sliders could make it a stream, and notes give higher scores too :3
01:19:750 (2,3,4) - you know these three notes really looks weird to me, and it slightly harder to read as well
finish with 75% volume like else diff did..
Ulysses
1,911 posts
Joined September 2010
Ulysses
Sorry for the delay :P

Black=Just suggestion,you can fix it if you like.You may not fix it or ignore it if you don't agree with me.
Blue =I think it's a important thing(IMO,you have better to fix it.(Still the same,ignore it if you don't agree.)
Red=Unrankable issue.(You should fix it,otherwise you can't get a rank or app.)

[General]

Fix the AudioLeadIn to exactly 1500(1.5s) but not 1511.

Offset - 8

[Insane]

I disagree the modder said it was fit in AR8.
I feel AR9 fits those jumps o.0


00:16:750 (1) - The end white tick one grid up.And it will fit the cruve of the pervious triplet.

00:24:550 (4,5,1) - The triplet is stright.But the slider isn't,is it expressed?

00:34:750 (2) - Add clap at the begin?

00:51:950 (1,2) - Their spacing is toooooo big lol such a random jump.

00:56:350 (1) - I think 1.5x~1.8x slider speed is enough.It's unexpectable with 2.0x slider speed.Even though I played it in almost 8 PC,
I expect it as a 1.5x slider speed orz.

01:02:950 (8) - del clap

01:02:750 (7) - Add clap

01:19:950 (4) - Don't stack it,it's hard to read.

I think this diff is decide to be diffculit.However,I think you map is just for hard.Not for player's joy or other things that are important.
In this song,I can't feel it's so jumpy.But you did it as a jump map.And those triplet spacing are toooooo biggggg.
But,it's not a bad idea,or a bad try.However,I advice you,don't make map like that next time.


[Hard]

Nothing wrong.
But,this hard is too hard for a hard.(Do you understand what I said?-A-)



[Normal]

00:40:750 (1,2,3,4) - Aren't the spacing too big?

00:50:350 (3) - It's too overlap for a Normal,please don't do that,or do it like that?:
SPOILER

00:53:550 (3) - ^

Duuno if it unrankable.since there's a rule about overlapping.Insane=you can overlap everything.Hard=overlap a little but still can see a part of a note/slider.Normal/Easy=sightly overlapping only.

00:55:150 (1) - No...Don't....Too short for Normal.

Time line unused: 21150 , 24350 .They make your map unrankable,please delete them.



[Easy]

00:40:750 (1) - It's too short for a Easy.Use some pattern instead it.

00:55:150 (1) - ^Although it's fit in the song.

00:58:950 (4) - Put it on space.Since they 're hard to read for newbie(Stack)

01:02:150 (5) - ^

01:09:550 (1,2) - One note stacking is okay,but not two.

01:11:750 (2) - Put it on space.Since they 're hard to read for newbie(Stack)

01:14:950 (2) - ^

01:20:750 (1) - Short..




Your map still need more works and improvement. :(
Last edited by Ulysses , edited 1 time in total.
mrk_old
83 posts
Joined August 2011
mrk_old
Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:15 pm (10 minutes ago)
Everything following marked green are just proposals, if it is marked orange i think there might be a better way to do this, unless i marked it red, then i consider it as disturbing and you should probably change it.

General:
  • In my opinion you are copy'n'pastin' too much patterns in your maps and it gets boring very fast. The only difficulty i enjoyed playing without getting bored after 20 seconds was insane. I'm not sayin' your mapping is bad, but using the same patterns makes it very very boring. And thatswhy i was not able to do particular modding on certain circles because they are all almost reused patterns which are spaced right.
Easy:
  • Seems legit.
Normal:
  • Seems legit.
Hard:
  • Seems legit.
Inasne:

  • 00:56:350 (1) - Make the player somehow aware of the increase in slider velocity, because it gets out of nowhere.

    I think you shouldn't space the tripples so far away.If you put them a bit closer, it will also do its work.

Hmmm... anyways good piece of work and with some further modifications it will get ranked soon, imo.
into_old
into_old
00:39:150 (1,2) : Move these two sliders closer together that way you get even spacing instead of a jump

01:34:750 (4) : Up to you if you want to change. I enjoy the Finish Hitsound over the Clap.
wring
596 posts
Joined February 2010
wring
good song
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Response to L_P's Mod
SPOILER

L_P wrote:

Easy
✔ 00:21:150 (4) - soft whistle sounds better to me..
✔ 00:33:550 (3) - and 00:35:150 (3) - consider move clap to note 4?
✘ 00:51:950 (1,2,3,4) - wow really shouldnt make large spacing maybe ctrl + r 2 and 4? It's one of the easiest to hit kind of patterns. No matter how big the spacing is, as long as the starting notes are near at each other, they're easy to hit.
✘ 00:58:950 (4) - for me, i would not follow vocal...


Normal
✘ 00:22:350 (4,5) - hard reading..
✘ 00:25:550 (4,5) - same (it was so easy for us to read, but hell for beginners...consider making it into sliders) Not really, since there's an approach circle that will tell them when to hit the notes.
✘ 00:40:750 (1,2,3,4) - if not mistaken the spacing was too large It's one of the easiest to hit kind of patterns. No matter how big the spacing is, as long as the starting notes are near at each other, they're easy to hit.
✘ 00:45:150 (5) - http://puu.sh/oOAo
at kiai time, there was hardly a rest for players, however it is up to you to remove some notes shit i thought i was modding easy T.T Nah it's fine since you'll see them early before you hit them.

though it was fairly harder for normal, but really nice pattern and shape! :3

Hard
✔ 00:38:350 (3) - you know, your can make prettier blanket that wasn't supposed to be a blanket. But okay XD
✔ 001:09:150 (4) - you missed a clap?
finish with finish!! (slap) why y forgot!!! volume 75% as well

Insane
✘ 00:46:850 (6,7) - ctrl + r this? make some variety between same patterns sounds good to me..
feel like some repeating sliders could make it a stream, and notes give higher scores too :3
✔ 01:19:750 (2,3,4) - you know these three notes really looks weird to me, and it slightly harder to read as well
finish with 75% volume like else diff did.. CTRL + R'd this triplets.

Response to nold_1702's Mod
SPOILER

nold_1702 wrote:

Sorry for the delay :P

Black=Just suggestion,you can fix it if you like.You may not fix it or ignore it if you don't agree with me.
Blue =I think it's a important thing(IMO,you have better to fix it.(Still the same,ignore it if you don't agree.)
Red=Unrankable issue.(You should fix it,otherwise you can't get a rank or app.)

[General]

✔ Fix the AudioLeadIn to exactly 1500(1.5s) but not 1511. Oh right. D:

✘ Offset - 8 i wont follow this atm, if someone suggest -8 again, i'll do it.

[Insane]

I disagree the modder said it was fit in AR8.
✔ I feel AR9 fits those jump me too.

✔ 00:16:750 (1) - The end white tick one grid up.And it will fit the cruve of the pervious triplet.

✘ 00:24:550 (4,5,1) - The triplet is stright.But the slider isn't,is it expressed? slant feels better for me.

✔ 00:34:750 (2) - Add clap at the begin?

✘ 00:51:950 (1,2) - Their spacing is toooooo big lol such a random jump. it ain't random. lol

✘ 00:56:350 (1) - I think 1.5x~1.8x slider speed is enough.It's unexpectable with 2.0x slider speed.Even though I played it in almost 8 PC,
I expect it as a 1.5x slider speed orz. the slider is great imo.

✘ 01:02:950 (8) - del clap

✔ 01:02:750 (7) - Add clap

✔ 01:19:950 (4) - Don't stack it,it's hard to read. CTRL + R'd

I think this diff is decide to be diffculit.However,I think you map is just for hard.Not for player's joy or other things that are important.
In this song,I can't feel it's so jumpy.But you did it as a jump map.And those triplet spacing are toooooo biggggg.
But,it's not a bad idea,or a bad try.However,I advice you,don't make map like that next time. Just created an Insane for Pro players. XD


[Hard]

Nothing wrong.
But,this hard is too hard for a hard.(Do you understand what I said?-A-) Yep. But i think it's fine.



[Normal]

✘ 00:40:750 (1,2,3,4) - Aren't the spacing too big? It's one of the easiest to hit this kind of patterns. No matter how big the spacing is, as long as the starting notes are near at each other, they're easy to hit.

✘ 00:50:350 (3) - It's too overlap for a Normal,please don't do that,or do it like that?:


✘ 00:53:550 (3) - ^

Duuno if it unrankable.since there's a rule about overlapping.Insane=you can overlap everything.Hard=overlap a little but still can see a part of a note/slider.Normal/Easy=sightly overlapping only.

Nah it's fine since you'll see them early before you hit them.

✘ 00:55:150 (1) - No...Don't....Too short for Normal. Rather than spinning a 8 1/4 beats on a Normal.

✔ Time line unused: 21150 , 24350 .They make your map unrankable,please delete them. Thank God you saw this.


✘ ✔
[Easy]

✘ 00:40:750 (1) - It's too short for a Easy.Use some pattern instead it.

✘ 00:55:150 (1) - ^Although it's fit in the song.

✘ 00:58:950 (4) - Put it on space.Since they 're hard to read for newbie(Stack)

✘ 01:02:150 (5) - ^

✔ 01:09:550 (1,2) - One note stacking is okay,but not two.

✘ 01:11:750 (2) - Put it on space.Since they 're hard to read for newbie(Stack)

✘ 01:14:950 (2) - ^

✘ 01:20:750 (1) - Short.. Rather than spinning a 8 1/4 beats on a Normal.




Your map still need more works and improvement. :(

Response to mrkyee's Mod
SPOILER
Won't follow a thing. I'm sorry, no kudo. D:

Response to into's Mod
SPOILER
Won't follow a thing too. I'm sorry, no kudo. D:
ertyukjh010
1,415 posts
Joined December 2009
ertyukjh010


Hello :)

[Genera]

Change a BG size to 1024*768 or 800*600

[Easy]

00:19:950 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Some Hard for new player. Slider instead part.
00:24:750 (2) - Move to X:332 y:212
00:39:950 (2) - Wrong add.
00:58:350 (3) - end at 00:58:650 and reply 1 times.
00:58:950 (4) - Start at 00:59:150
01:01:550 (4,5) - ^
01:11:150 (1,2) - ^
01:14:350 (1,2) - ^
01:30:750 (2) - Wrong distance

[Normal]

00:32:350 (6) - Clap

[Hard]

Fine

About your map, Confusion Hitsound, try this:
http://puu.sh/q20x
That all :)
YTYuyu
osu! Alumni
4,146 posts
Joined January 2011
YTYuyu
dw i didn't forget about this lol

Bold: Unrankable/Must fix
Red: You should fix it, but it's up to you.
Italic: Suggestion.

[General]
The BG is at 1023x767. judging by the dimensions change it to 1024x768.
set the lead in to 1500. i find it odd that the lead in is at 1511.

[Easy]
00:03:950 (1) - yes it's near the middle, but spinner-osu is covering most of this slider which makes it hard for beginners to find. move it where it can be fully visible for beginners to see.
00:06:350 (2,3) - try to avoid stacking notes on easy diffs because since the hitburst is covering the second note, it'd be hard for beginners to see where it is. put your shoes on a beginner's point of view and tell me if a beginner can hit that.
00:12:350 (2) - add a clap at the beginning since you have it on (2,4) on at next combo.
00:15:550 (2,3,4) - replace this for a 1/1 repeat slider because i see a potential pattern between (1,2,1,2).
00:16:750 (1) - add a finish to match the vocals, and i think the finish fits with this part.
00:20:350 (2) - add a clap to start the consistency.
00:21:150 (4) - remove the whistle because IMO it sounds bad with the clap.
00:23:150 (1) - same as 00:16:750, and try to stack the end of the slider on (1). it looks ugly and it gets in the way during gameplay IMO.
00:29:150 (4) - same as 00:21:150.
00:33:550 (3) - *nazi* move this away from the slider to avoid the overlap.
00:39:150 (1,2) - add a clap at the end of (1) to keep the consistency, and remove the clap at the beginning of (2). IMO it sounds bad and ruins the consistency.
00:43:550 (1,2) - 2 problems: this note is too far near the middle which makes it hard for beginners to get there in time for (1), and same as 00:03:950 for (2).
00:58:950 (4) - unstack this because beginners won't know when to time this slider right.
01:02:150 (5) - ^
01:10:350 (3) - move this away from the slider to avoid the bad overlap.
01:14:950 (2) - same as 00:58:950.
01:19:150 (1) - same as 01:10:350.
01:22:350 (1) - beginners won't have enough time to get to this note as they might need to adjust after the spinner is complete, and same as 00:03:950.
01:24:750 (2,3) - same as 00:06:350.
01:30:750 (2) - same as 00:12:350.
01:33:950 (2,3,4) - same as 00;15:550.
01:35:150 (1) - the end of the spinner sounds too loud and it doesn't fit with the song. so reduce the volume to either 15%, 25% or 35%. if you ignore this, then it has to be around that range to match the song.

[Normal]
00:03:950 (1) - part of spinner-osu and the hitburst is covering this slider which makes it hard for players to see. move it where it can be slightly or fully visible for players to see, and add a clap at the end of (1) since you have a clap at (3)
00:07:150 (1) - same as above about the clap.
00:10:350 (1) - ^
00:13:550 (1) - ^
00:23:950 (2) - i don't like this slider because IMO it doesn't fit with the song, either remove the repeat and make this a 1/1 slider or remove this and add a circle to follow vocals.
00:29:550 (1) - I think adding a finish at the beginning fits with the song as it matches with the vocals.
00:36:750 (2) - same as 00:23:950, and why? this looks like a bad overlap and this will confuse players on where to go. try to do something easier than this where it can be less confusing and easier for players.
00:56:750 (1) - same as 00:03:950 but just the hitburst.
01:11:150 (1) - ooh uhh i don't like the beginning of the slider. in fact i don't see a reason why it's there. so get rid of that point and make this slider like (2) at the previous combo. it looks a lot better during gameplay.
01:22:350 (1) - same as 00:03:950.

[Hard]
00:22:350 (7) - this slider can look a lot smoother. it's a wave slider, but i'm expecting this to be nicer.
00:29:550 (1) - replace the clap for a finish to match the vocals.
00:30:350 (3) - i don't remember hearing finishes on the other diffs, so replace this for a clap to keep the consistency of the other diffs.
00:31:950 (3) - ^
00:33:950 (4) - ^
00:36:750 (3) - ^
00:44:350 (4) - add a clap here to keep the consistency.
00:45:550 (1) - add a clap at the beginning since you have claps on (8) and (1) starting at 00:42:050.
00:47:550 (4) - same as above but same reason as 00:44:350.

i guess that's it. this mapset needs more finishes because the finishes fit with the song in vocals. anyways GL :D
bossandy
osu! Alumni
1,665 posts
Joined May 2010
bossandy
  • Hi hi~ request from my queue~
    　
  1. Red : I think you must to fix.
  2. Blue : Need to discuss.
  3. Black : Just suggest or nazi.
    　
    [ General ]
    　
  4. Change BG size to 1024x768
    　
    [ Easy ]
    　
  5. 00:22:750 (4) - Delete this note , nothing in music at this time
  6. 00:35:550 (4) - Same as above
  7. 00:39:950 (2) - Remove clap end
  8. 00:58:950 (4) - This is a bit hard for a beginner , maybe start at 00:59:150
  9. 01:09:550 (1) - Add finish sounds better
  10. 01:11:750 (2) - Same suggetion as 00:58:950 (4) -
  11. 01:11:750 (2,3) - Remove finish on these slider , It isn't fits the song here
  12. 01:13:950 (5) - Remove finish
  13. 01:14:950 (2) - Same as above
  14. 01:38:350 - This is too loud!!!! Change this green line to 20% volume
    　
    [ Normal ]
    　
  15. 00:19:950 (1,2,3) - Isn't it too hard on Normal?
  16. 00:23:150 (1,2,3) - These slider isn't fits the song at all
  17. 00:48:750 (3,3) - Why don't you put it to other place , overlap on Normal?? It's not a good idea >_<
  18. 00:51:950 (3,3) - Same as above
  19. 00:55:150 (1,1) - It's too close
  20. 01:20:750 (1,1) - Same as above
  21. 01:38:350 - Same as Easy
    　
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  22. 00:55:150 (1) - End at 00:56:350 to follow the music?
  23. 01:35:150 (1) - Same as Easy , and you forgot add finish on this spinner
    　
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Good song~ but you usually use copy to save time...don't copy too many things at a diff >_<
Good Luck :3
Cygnus
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Cygnus
Why are you graved? ;_;
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