JInxyjem wrote:

Nardi, however, is speaking the truth. He is an idiot.

Why so sure?
We have several airtight reasons to kill nardi. Why the heck would the wolves kill Rolled if they also could kill kuwarudo, who is (pretending to be?) the guardian angel or Suburu, (pretending to be?) the insomniac? The wolves didn't know much about Rolled, only that he was the one who voted for nardi first. This MIGHT be it. And come on, would the wolves be so stupid and kill one of their own? Really wtf.
Conclusion: nardi is a likely wolf.
Now, let me think, why didn't the wolves kill kuwarudo or Suburu anyway? It'd be a safe aux role kill, right?
IF kuwarudo didn't lie about the role claim. So I'm also a bit suspicious about kuwarudo.
Maybe kuwarudo indeed is a wolf. Because if he isn't, the wolves would definitely have killed him, since he was protecting Suburu, so they couldn't kill her, and since he was an important aux role, as I said.
Conclusion: kuwarudo is a likely wolf.
Also: If he is a wolf, Suburu might be a wolf, too. Suburu claimed to be the Insomniac, and this makes Suburu one of the most necessary humans. Now, if Suburu indeed is the Insomniac, and kuwarudo is a wolf, kuwarudo couldn't have protected Suburu, meaning that Suburu would be an easy victim. Well, maybe the real guardian angel would have protected Suburu, but-

Okay, I have no idea how to solve this shit

Conclusion: Suburu is somewhat suspicious.

Alright, these are just my thoughts on the matter.

The reason why the wolves or assassins, I'm gonna keep calling them wolves for simplicity, didn't kill me or Suburu, but they killed Rolled to put suspicion on the people who made role claims. For tonight, I don't know who the shit the wolves will kill tonight, so let's just see. I expect the Coroner to keep inspecting the bodies.

sup ladies. I was told to post this. It is Rolled's suspicions from BEFORE he was killed; sometime in Day 1. Some of it still applies, some of it doesn't. You can tell what doesn't apply.

I was actually going to post this in the thread itself, but if I did the plan would obviously be changed. I chose to PM this to you because I'm fairly confident you aren't a wolf. If my suspicion is correct, I will be killed overnight without a doubt due to the behind-the-scenes chat overnight with Echo:

Quote:
[18:24] <Echo|uni> hey do you have time for a chat?
[18:24] <Rolled> sure
[18:25] <Echo|uni> what do you actually think about suburu's claim?
[18:25] <Rolled> I have some pretty strong beliefs about it, but I won't know for sure until day 2
[18:26] <Echo|uni> have you talked to him?
[18:26] <Rolled> I haven't talked to anybody outside of the thread for the most part
[18:26] <Rolled> the non-most part being just chit chat on IRC
[18:29] <Echo|uni> hmm ok


If echo is indeed a wolf, I can expect myself to be killed overnight since I let it known to him that I have some semi-viable information that won't be known for sure until day 2. So therefor, if I die, I hope that you can share this information in the thread (a few IRL days into day-2, just to see if my hypothesis for day 2 is played out) From there on out, take out these 2 guys and the rest of the assassins will shortly follow. These guys are the brains in the operation.

Message:
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Lots of thoughts are going through my head, probably more than I can jot down without making a textwall. On the chance that I am night-killed, or possibly even lynched, I will share some thoughts here.

Alright, let's just say that hypothetically, both ladysuburu and echo are assassins. Obviously suburu knows what they are doing, and Echo knows his way around as well. I would not be surprised at all... rather, I would expect an elaborate scheme such as what is going on right now from the both of them. Here is the potential event list:

Day 1: random player is lynched due to lack of information (just by probability, this could easily be a civilian), most threatening Civilian is nightkilled by the assassins.

Day 2: Suburu, the insomniac, gives us the name of a civilian (who (s)he is claiming to be an assassin). That person will be lynched, another threatening Civilian will be killed overnight.

Overnight: A few things could happen here. If my theory is correct, Echo will wait until the ACTUAL coroner comes forth, and states that the dead body is actually a civilian. Since Echo now has a supposed "good reputation" and is a known-civillian, he will come forth after the coroner states his claim, and claim to be the coroner HIMSELF, and that the other claim is lying and is actually an assassin. This will put both ladysuburu and the actual coroner on the hit-list, and the lynch vote will probably get rid of suburu on day 2 due to her previous suspicion. The wolves will like the actual coroner to die first, because this will give Echo free will to just claim to be the coroner all game and have no confliction with anybody else. Either way though, the actual coroner will die on day 3 if the plan is executed properly.

Day 3: Which ever was not lynched on day 2 out of Subu or the Coroner, will be lynched today. Another human will be killed overnight.

This sacrifices 1 wolf for 5 civilians, and sets up the wolves up for doing some sweeping after day 3.

From there on out, it can be just about smooth-sailing for the assassin's until some other roles come forth. Echo's name will be out of almost all of the villager's mouths, since his plan of lynching Suburu if he was lying would have been executed. In the end, it will undoubtfully be a wolf victory unless we have some brilliant aux roles.

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Also, if none of this actually happens overnight/on day 2, then I am just an idiot and disregard this PM entirely (or almost entirely.)


EDIT: hey spin guess who voted against nardi on Day 1? (It was me)

Larto wrote:

Now, let me think, why didn't the wolves kill kuwarudo or Suburu anyway? It'd be a safe aux role kill, right?
IF kuwarudo didn't lie about the role claim. So I'm also a bit suspicious about kuwarudo.
Maybe kuwarudo indeed is a wolf. Because if he isn't, the wolves would definitely have killed him, since he was protecting Suburu, so they couldn't kill her, and since he was an important aux role, as I said.
Conclusion: kuwarudo is a likely wolf.
Also: If he is a wolf, Suburu might be a wolf, too. Suburu claimed to be the Insomniac, and this makes Suburu one of the most necessary humans. Now, if Suburu indeed is the Insomniac, and kuwarudo is a wolf, kuwarudo couldn't have protected Suburu, meaning that Suburu would be an easy victim. Well, maybe the real guardian angel would have protected Suburu, but-

Okay, I have no idea how to solve this shit

Conclusion: Suburu is somewhat suspicious.

Disregard that, I suck cocks.

Echo posted this:

In response to Larto's questions on IRC this morning when I was forced to leave:

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves. However, this means that the wolves are in a bad position since we'll have an extra name.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track, but we won't know anything about people.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo is a wolf.

I am not sure if Echo is a wolf, but we'll find out as soon as the coroner tells us. If he is, I'm so trapped and you guys should probably listen to Tode. If he isn't, this whole stuff indeed applies.

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves.
If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, the wolves thought like this: "If we kill kuwarudo, the actual guardian angel, now, everyone will believe Suburu and everyone will know that he's telling the truth. We can't kill Suburu either, since he's probably being protected. So let us kill someone else."
That means we might be able to trust Suburu.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track. This shouldn't need explaination.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo didn't protect Suburu, like he actually was supposed to. That means kuwarudo is a wolf.

Only the first is really important. Neither kuwarudo nor Suburu died. The wolves don't want us to believe what Suburu says. This means that neo@lex probably indeed is a wolf and this means that he will die tonight, being killed by the real ninja. If neo@lex is being killed by a ninja tonight and if the coroner tells us that Echo indeed was a human, we're so gonna kick the wolves' asses.

And my vote still hasn't changed.

woooops forgot to mention

I cast my vote for foulcoon

Shit, I'm not gonna be here at the deadline...
I un-vote Subi.

As far as I am aware, vote tally should now be accurate as of this post. Let me know again if you've made a vote I didn't see.

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Rena-chan posts so little I thought Rena-chan was an outsider.

Edit: See bottom of this page,

You just have to agree for SFG to replace you, you should atleast skim the thread when you want out.

JInxyjem wrote:

^ Hmm... You rarely talk in this thread...

IRL problems. Find me on IRC if you want a more detailed explanation.

kuwarudo wrote:

Rena-chan posts so little I thought Rena-chan was an outsider.

Your face is an outsider.

But yeah, I am actually in this game.

Rena-chan what's your gender so I don't have to type Rena-chan again and again.

Okay, finally found Ace's post regarding my switch out for SFG. I SAY YES.

I have a lot to say, so I'm going to do this thing the right way. Chronologically.

Suburu, I'm sad that you made me view all your posts. Why can't you duplicate things you do out of thread in the thread later. Jerk.

Pasonia and yellowyoshi (and anyone else), the ninja is right in killing every night. Furthurmore, Echo was the correct choice for the lynch yesterday and a good one for a night kill(from the ninja) for the same reasons.
Echo was
A) buddying Suburu and "kuu" and trying to convince the town they were who they claimed while having no real way of knowning if they are telling the truth (other than being an assassin)
B) contradicting herself when she said that

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins.

and

IF Suburu dies, THEN kuu is a wolf.

(with respect to Suburu being night killed)
C) claimed a vanilla townie, and thus her death would have no negative power role consequences

Look at me, I'm restating a case on a dead guy!



Furthurmore Pasonia's "plan" on page 34 is just horrible. Have all vanilla townies lie about being Aux roles? This would create so many counter claims that we would have no idea who to believe about their night actions. Even if the power roles figure things out, it becomes impossible to coordinate everyone. It would simply lead to chaos.
If at that point Pasonia truely believed that the ninja NKing a wolf prevented the wolf NK (and I did too at that point, I don't go back and read through every post for edits) a real plan would have been the EXACT OPPOSITE. @ "kuu" This is also the reason the ninja's NK can not stop the wolf NK.
1)insomniac claims day 1
2)white mage protects night 1
3)ninja + (#wolves+1) vanilla townies claim
4)lynching of vanilla townies combined with NK of wolf given by insomniac (preventing wolf NKs)
5)????
6)Victory

Along with those two reasons, Pasonia was bussing on "kuu" on day 1 even after the claim. If "kuu" and Suburu really are telling the truth, this would have totally destroyed Suburu's plan and put us in a horrible situation for finding scum.

It is for these reasons (and the fact that I'm not 100% trusting of Suburu) that I make my Vote for Pasonia

nardi lied about being the priest. Lies do nothing to benefit the town, thus he is probably scum. I'll change my vote to him if I really need to.

neo claimed ninja. Suburu says Suburu saw him at night killing Rolled. He should not be lynched. If he is lying, the ninja will kill him. If he is truth-speaking, he should kill someone. Thus:
@neo: Who do you plan to kill tonight? (assuming you are the ninja)

Also, what's the story on commandhat and SFG? They switched yet?

at long last, i can vote nardi.

i believe that nardi is a wolf, if neo is not the ninja, the ninja will kill him tonight. that will leave us tomorrow with either a confirmed ninja or a dead wolf, either of which is good. i trust Subi and, if he survives, he can tell us the next name, otherwise i have suspicions i wont raise until then

~nice to join the party~

Pretty sure Ace's eyes are between his eyelids while he sleeps.
In otherwords, no, we haven't switched yet. SFG, please stay alive or I will try out my new giant insta-shredder 5000 with you as a test subject
edit:holy crap I'm so addicted to this I can't stop refreshing waiting for a new reply >_<

commandhat wrote:

Pretty sure Ace's eyes are between his eyelids while he sleeps.
In otherwords, no, we haven't switched yet. SFG, please stay alive or I will try out my new giant insta-shredder 5000 with you as a test subject
edit:holy crap I'm so addicted to this I can't stop refreshing waiting for a new reply >_<

dont worry, my reasoning and course of action were decided days ago when i was trying to organize a vote on nardi ^_^ they wont change regardless of whatever role i inherit

kuwarudo wrote:

Rena-chan what's your gender so I don't have to type Rena-chan again and again.

Why not just type Rena ?

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

( I can post in here even though I died right? )

I'd actually like to know that answer as well.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Not making sense.

wat

nevermind it's your vote.

Rena-chan wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Also, vote: Kuwarudo

reasoning?

Not making sense.

Kuu was created to attack Random.

JInxyjem wrote:

Kuu was created to attack Random.

I was created?

ON TOPIC ROAST:

I agree on Larto about the whole, not killing me and or Suburu, the wolves did think like that, which means that they believe my role claim. Not changing my vote until something really unexpected happens.

BagelBob wrote:

I have a lot to say, so I'm going to do this thing the right way. Chronologically.

Suburu, I'm sad that you made me view all your posts. Why can't you duplicate things you do out of thread in the thread later. Jerk.

Pasonia and yellowyoshi (and anyone else), the ninja is right in killing every night. Furthurmore, Echo was the correct choice for the lynch yesterday and a good one for a night kill(from the ninja) for the same reasons.
Echo was
A) buddying Suburu and "kuu" and trying to convince the town they were who they claimed while having no real way of knowning if they are telling the truth (other than being an assassin)
B) contradicting herself when she said that

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins.

and

IF Suburu dies, THEN kuu is a wolf.

(with respect to Suburu being night killed)
C) claimed a vanilla townie, and thus her death would have no negative power role consequences

Look at me, I'm restating a case on a dead guy!



Furthurmore Pasonia's "plan" on page 34 is just horrible. Have all vanilla townies lie about being Aux roles? This would create so many counter claims that we would have no idea who to believe about their night actions. Even if the power roles figure things out, it becomes impossible to coordinate everyone. It would simply lead to chaos.
If at that point Pasonia truely believed that the ninja NKing a wolf prevented the wolf NK (and I did too at that point, I don't go back and read through every post for edits) a real plan would have been the EXACT OPPOSITE. @ "kuu" This is also the reason the ninja's NK can not stop the wolf NK.
1)insomniac claims day 1
2)white mage protects night 1
3)ninja + (#wolves+1) vanilla townies claim
4)lynching of vanilla townies combined with NK of wolf given by insomniac (preventing wolf NKs)
5)????
6)Victory

Along with those two reasons, Pasonia was bussing on "kuu" on day 1 even after the claim. If "kuu" and Suburu really are telling the truth, this would have totally destroyed Suburu's plan and put us in a horrible situation for finding scum.

It is for these reasons (and the fact that I'm not 100% trusting of Suburu) that I make my Vote for Pasonia

nardi lied about being the priest. Lies do nothing to benefit the town, thus he is probably scum. I'll change my vote to him if I really need to.

neo claimed ninja. Suburu says Suburu saw him at night killing Rolled. He should not be lynched. If he is lying, the ninja will kill him. If he is truth-speaking, he should kill someone. Thus:
@neo: Who do you plan to kill tonight? (assuming you are the ninja)

Also, what's the story on commandhat and SFG? They switched yet?

And it's this horrible counter-claim that will solidify my voting for you.

I vote for BagelBob

My case is built upon the powers of a psychic; I believe that as long as the Psychic can establish a link with any other auxillary role, the wolves will have a hard time. I am not in a comfortable position to explain why I said what I did, and I know that what I said against kuwarudo counts against me, but if you ask me, on day 1 I was being very personal about matters and voted kuwa solely based on his Day 1 actions.

Anyway, if you're a vanilla townie or an aux, Bagel, luring my vote against you will mean you're being more illogical than I am, or you're playing on my proposed plan.

About the "we would have no idea who to believe" bit, you're right about it. By doing this the townies can pull the wool over the assassins, and then the assassins would end up with a higher chance of hitting a vanilla, which is THE EXACT CONSEQUENCE THAT WOULD WORK IN OUR FAVOR.

Okay, so now, we have several people role-claiming. These guys would most likely be hit come nightfall, and we have about five names now. BUT if all of the humans put in a role-claim, whether or not they are lying doesn't matter. You must remember that humans outnumber the assassins, and if we have ALL of us doing a role-claim, that would give the assassins a hard time to select their target. But at the same time, all the auxillaries would have an easier time sorting out the liars.

Also, if the assassins lie, they must be prepared that an aux would find out that they're lying.

And if, say, the psychic established a link with the guardian/coroner and another human, then he can request the human to masquerade as a psychic, cite accurate examples that the assassins would find too compelling to be ignored, and draw fire towards himself from the assassins come nightfall. If the psychic established a link with the ninja AND the insomniac, he can also direct the ninja to hit an assassin (because of insomniac information + ninja kill). In my opinion, the psychic is powerful because he is the center of operations, and I am only citing a manner in which he can obtain such information. Any false claims is fine to the psychic because he can tell if the liar is just a sneaky vanilla or a sneaky ASSASSIN.

If you still can't get this, I suggest you throw yourself over Gibraltar's Rock. Seriously.

Pasonia wrote:

If you still can't get this, I suggest you throw yourself over Gibraltar's Rock. Seriously.

Uh, what's that place? Or thing?

Sorry I have no on topic coast. I already stated my idea last time and I just wanted to know what that rock is.

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We have 8 wolves to deal with, so we need to get our detective work right so we don't end up 'effing up our own chances of winning.

I agree on the fact of Suburu. nardi is a Wolf/Assassin/whateverfloatsyourboat.
vote: [b]nardi/b]

I do not see anywhere the ammount of wolves that the game starts with listed anywhere, can you please tell me how you know that

YellowYoshi1 wrote:

All the wolves are still out there

?
Forgive me but I am just making sure.

I vote for neo@lex, as he killed Echo è.é

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That's not what I asked, I asked how you knew how many wolves we started the game with.

See my previous post edit adam, sorry about the confusion there. I really shouldn't try to work on serious things when I'm sleep deprived.

Thanks for the slip and the nice dodge, I now know that you are quite likely a wolf and going back to what you said day 1, kuu is really likely human.

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YellowYoshi1 wrote:

If I was a wolf, I don't think I would be telling you how many there are still alive.

No you wouldn't, would you? Which is why you told us the wrong number.

YellowYoshi1 wrote:

The only thing I did was give you a number.

Yes that is all you did, "a number" a number that was wrong.

I didn't want to say this because it puts me in danger, but the real seer is actually Echo, after he recieved the night pm he pmed me about it, he said that there were in fact only 7 wolves in the game after Animask's death, combined with the coroner's report this gives us 7 at the start of the game + Echo being the seer and Rolled the vigilante (srsly we suck at this don't we?) this still leaves us with 7.

I trust Echo more than you because he was able to give me information far more credible.

Hmm, Commandhat may evolve into SFG, Subi hasn't said anything cool, Echo's dead, Tode ACTUALLY VOTED FOR FOUL...
I see it now. There is only one possible way to get to the bottom of this. I VOTE FOR...





...MYSELF.

Well, if you have such high suspicions of me, then by all means cast a lynch vote. Others might not take kindly if the real seer is executed though.

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I am still voting for Nardi, I'm just stating what I saw to be an obvious lie and werewolf activity.
Be sure that I will be lynching YY tomorrow.

wow three pages, half of which I understood. (the other half being YY's posts because they were so vague/boring)

I see the nardi thing, and I do suspect he is an assassin, but I think my vote's gonna stay for foulcoon.

Why are you voting for foul anyway?

Because I think he's an assassin, duh

Any reasons why?

Larto wrote:

Any reasons why?

Why do you care? it's not compulsory to give reasons '-.-

Olinad wrote:

Larto wrote:

Any reasons why?

Why do you care? it's not compulsory to give reasons '-.-

That's why Tode could also say "I have a reason, but I won't tell it" <3
See, it's good to know WHY someone votes for someone, so I asked for a reason. Also, you just became a bit more suspicious for trying to stop me asking for reasons <3

BY THE WAY THIS MIGHT BE INTERESTING:

16:38 <Larto> : Hi Neo
16:38 <Neokun> : Yo.
16:39 <Neokun> : Larto are you the real ninja?
16:39 <Larto> : Because I would shout "THE NINJA IS A FAGGOT" then. Uhuh.
16:39 <Larto> : Are you trying to say that you really aren't the ninja?
16:39 <Larto> : zommmg
16:39 <Neokun> : Well killing Echo is something you'd do.
16:40 <Larto> : Echo seemed pretty useful for the humans, so no, I wouldn't kill him
16:40 <Larto> : Even if I was the Ninja
16:40 <Neokun> : Oh.
16:40 <Neokun> : Then it's probably eee or Nardi.
16:40 <Larto> : So what are you trying to say? That you are not the ninja?
16:40 <Neokun> : Yes.
16:40 <Neokun> : No comment beyond that.
16:40 <Larto> : ...Nice, that makes you even more suspicious
16:41 <Neokun> : Yeah you should totally vote for me.
16:41 <Larto> : No, nardi is the one <3
16:41 <Neokun> : Pfft
16:41 <Neokun> : Nardi is a slut.
16:41 <nardi11011> : ...
16:41 <Larto> : lol
16:42 <Neokun> : lol
16:42 <Neokun> : Sorry.
16:42 <Larto> : Well, you don't sound like you're fully serious, so I'm not really sure about you being an assassin or so.
16:42 <Neokun> : Oh ok then.
16:42 <Larto> : I'll just post the log ^_^

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Larto wrote:

16:41 <Neokun> : Nardi is a slut.

Well that's really important good thing you bolded that

...gosh. What the fuck just happened?

I have no idea. . . .
after reading tons of pages, skipping a few, I found out some things.
anyways, the fact of commandhat voting for himself leads me to think that he has no REAL purpose of being here, so a lynch vote would be an elimination of an otherwise less harmful outcome, any vote against him will hurt probably nobody.

Also, the nardi thing, why would he role claim, saying he hopes we believe him, when there is no other priests (as AoH says). If animask was right, and HE himself was the priest (and he has nothing to lose, so the fact was probably correct) , then nardi is a dead giveaway, as an assassin/ninja in disguise. that was either a foolish move or a trick into fooling us to vote out somebody who can REALLY benefit to us, but why would anyone in the right mind ask for a vote when they can do that, hurts us more, ya know. I vote nardi(whatevah)

i'm so confused.... and i haven't voted yet.... so i vote for Todesengal

Apparently this screenshot is ultra important
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oi oi guys, we can only lynch people so quickly and we'll have more info to go by once we lynch nardi so for the most part votes cast for someone else today will only affect who gets killed at night. imo we can take care of nardi, let the ninja kill neo (if he doesn't ill have to put him on my hitlist, since i have some ideas as to who he might be), and then share stuff tomorrow.

REALIZE THAT TODAY IS ONLY DAY 2! The fact that everyone dead was human thus far is perfectly natural since we were all mostly uninformed yesterday and the chances of our killing a wolf were kinda low.

also about the claims of seer, i suggest that ASH pm's his coronation results to someone he trusts and see if it lines up with what the seer says. Then we will at least be able to narrow down whether the "seer" is an aux/assassin or an ordinary townie (as in if he is either, he'll get it right and if hes a townie, he stands a chance of getting it wrong)

theres probably a better way to tell than that, but meh i can't think of one atm.

tl;dr: lynch nardi, ninja kill neo tonight, we can worry about who we lynch tomorrow then

It was an awful bluff anyway

On a side note, could the guardian angel PLEASE PROTECT AGENT SPIN HERE TONIGHT.
He's probably one of the most important people right now since whether Echo is a wolf or not decides fucking much.
Just saying.

Agreed.

Pasonia wrote:

And it's this horrible counter-claim that will solidify my voting for you.

I vote for BagelBob

My case is built upon the powers of a psychic; I believe that as long as the Psychic can establish a link with any other auxillary role, the wolves will have a hard time. I am not in a comfortable position to explain why I said what I did, and I know that what I said against kuwarudo counts against me, but if you ask me, on day 1 I was being very personal about matters and voted kuwa solely based on his Day 1 actions.

Anyway, if you're a vanilla townie or an aux, Bagel, luring my vote against you will mean you're being more illogical than I am, or you're playing on my proposed plan.

About the "we would have no idea who to believe" bit, you're right about it. By doing this the townies can pull the wool over the assassins, and then the assassins would end up with a higher chance of hitting a vanilla, which is THE EXACT CONSEQUENCE THAT WOULD WORK IN OUR FAVOR.

Okay, so now, we have several people role-claiming. These guys would most likely be hit come nightfall, and we have about five names now. BUT if all of the humans put in a role-claim, whether or not they are lying doesn't matter. You must remember that humans outnumber the assassins, and if we have ALL of us doing a role-claim, that would give the assassins a hard time to select their target. But at the same time, all the auxillaries would have an easier time sorting out the liars.

Also, if the assassins lie, they must be prepared that an aux would find out that they're lying.

And if, say, the psychic established a link with the guardian/coroner and another human, then he can request the human to masquerade as a psychic, cite accurate examples that the assassins would find too compelling to be ignored, and draw fire towards himself from the assassins come nightfall. If the psychic established a link with the ninja AND the insomniac, he can also direct the ninja to hit an assassin (because of insomniac information + ninja kill). In my opinion, the psychic is powerful because he is the center of operations, and I am only citing a manner in which he can obtain such information. Any false claims is fine to the psychic because he can tell if the liar is just a sneaky vanilla or a sneaky ASSASSIN.

If you still can't get this, I suggest you throw yourself over Gibraltar's Rock. Seriously.

Counter claim? What are you talking about? You didn't claim, and I didn't say anything about your or my role.

Your "case" is built around the psychic establishing connections. With 4x as many claims as there are rolls, it would take the psychic 2-3 days per role to find out who is actually telling the truth. You talk about establishing connections, we're five days in before the psychic knows two people. That's 10 people dead already, with the chance of the psychic being dead. Even if the psychic finds all the wolves in a row, that's still a bunch of other people who claimed to be the psychic so no one can know if it's the real psychic or an assassin pretending to be psychic.

Mass claims result in Chaos and Discord, something that helps the assassins. People shouldn't be claiming unless they're about to be lynched or they can save someone important who is about to be lynched(or they want to counter-claim someone about to be lynched), and then maybe they can be saved through night by the guardian angel. Vanillas should never lie. Even if a vanilla gets lynched, it's better than lynching an aux roll.

And you want me to throw myself over Gibraltar's Rock? I realize that the internet is srs business, but it's cool not to edge people onto suicide, thx.

Yellowyoshi + Adam: I thought there were 6 wolves in this game, can we ask Ace how many we started with?[/indirect question]

SFG, why are you trying to stifle discussion? We may have our suspects for today, but that's no reason why we can't keep hunting for assassins. As long as we have time to discuss, we should be discussing. Or is it that you don't want to find assassins?

More participants, more wolves BagelBob. And seeing as the seer's power is to tell how many wolves are alive, I doubt that knowing how many are in the game would be an allowable question.

In my point of view, vanillas are expendable. Every vanilla death is just an assurance that the important aux roles stay alive and can keep the battle going. If a few civilians need to die in order to keep the wolves at bay, then I'm fine with that. As long as the aux roles are still alive, there's still a chance to survive.

If anything, a wolf kill on a vanilla townie is just a wasted night on their part.

The votes since I last posted are still being tallied; this is a placeholder and to tell you:

1) Saturos-fangirl has replaced commandhat (she will receive a Role ID shortly after this post) and has received her Role ID; commandhat is no longer to be considered a part of this Werewolf Game.
2) All votes against Commandhat are now nullified, which means JarJar will now have to re-vote.

I'll update the standings soon. Done. Status is now up-to-date as of this post.

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Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Deadline: This Day will be 4 IRL days long as suggested; deadline will be 10:00 PM EST on Monday, June 1st, which is 4 days minus 2 hours from the time of this post.

Isn't that in like, a few hours?


Jeez, this went so fast.

KK G'night guys. I may or may not see you in the morning.
I suggest rape.

neo@lex wrote:

KK G'night guys. I may or may not see you in the morning.
I suggest rape.

At least now I know that neo@lex indeed is an assassin. Civillians would fight until their end!

At least that's what I learnt in my earlier WW games.

Also, I myself think that I've helped the humans/tried to help the humans pretty much today. I wouldn't be surprised if I'd be the one to be killed by the assassins tonight. If so, goodbye :<

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Seeing as time's almost up, I'm voting for Rena-Chan. I don't like Rena's reason of Kuu "not making sense." It seems more like a grudge against him.

I dun wanna vote for Nardi and get it wrong (it's already pretty much comfirmed tho), and I'm not sure about Neo, and...

Rena-chan wrote:

kuwarudo wrote:

Rena-chan posts so little I thought Rena-chan was an outsider.

Your face is an outsider.

Yeah..

Edit: Hate forgetting the slash on RenaChan

With YY's vote it's a tie between neo@lex and nardi now, right?

Ace of Hearts: What happens if there is a tie between two players in the lynch votes?

I have the feeling this already has been asked, sorry if so. But this is really important now imho.

I was going to vote Neo to even out the votes, but as we're equal now, I'm voting Agent Spin Here out of principle. (HIS REASON FOR VOTING SURE SEEMS SUSPICIOUS RITE)

Off to bed now

No actually, he said that he believes Suburu, it's hardly suspicious of him to "jump on the bandwagon" to lynch someone he has more chance of killing that he still believes to be wolf.

Edit: also Suburu will most likely die tonight.

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If there is a tie for execution votes, I will do one of two things:

1) Flip a coin/roll a die
2) Bring in an outside vote

We'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it.

Also: Status updated.

Larto wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Edit: also Suburu will most likely die tonight.

adam, you suck, I tried NOT TO MENTION this so maybe the wolves won't notice that Suburu is still there. I even tried to make MYSELF more interesting for the wolves.
garhjhnfunejdwjwsfjwdswjjdidsijsdejugvundjfcsdce fuck you adam :<

adam has been hasty in his accusations and actions, he's high on my radar but I'm going to wait until Day 3 to see how it progresses.

You really think they wouldn't notice?
Seriously?
I bet it was probably decided on day 1.

Edit: YellowYoshi, please show the class your PM for the night action.

adam: How are we allowed to show PMs about night actions to everybody? That would be showing a Role ID, which is illegal.

adam2046 wrote:

You really think they wouldn't notice?
Seriously?

Maybe? You never know how stupid wolves are. orz

Question for Ace: Is showing the night action pm the same as showing a role ID?

hey Larto if you think youre going to die make a list of potential wolves and the reasons you suspect them and give it to someone.

I'm probably not going to die and too lazy to make something like that. I also haven't planned too far ahead after day 2 anyway. lol

EDIT:
BY THE WAY SFG WOULD YOU PLEASE VOTE FOR NARDI KTHX

I'd like to change my vote from Pasonia to Nardi because of the lies about being the priest.

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That's a bit confusing.
The question was, do night action pms count as role IDs?

adam2046 wrote:

The question was, do night action pms count as role IDs?

The direct answer is no.

You could actually quote an entire night action confirmation PM from me, without getting in trouble by me, if you wanted, because anyone who's ever held an Aux Role in any of my Werewolf Games knows the format I use for typing them, meaning that if anyone cared to, they could easily forge a quote claiming it to be a Night-time PM from me.

What I'm saying is, in the end, you can quote me all you want, but people can still say it's fake because, since it's a quote, you can still change wording around before hitting "Submit;" there's no absolute proof that it was I who sent you the "PM" you're quoting from or that the contents are exactly what I (or anyone else for that matter) told you.

Edit: Now forwarding a Night action PM from me to someone else, now THAT is illegal and would be punished severely. (Just to clarify.)

I think he just said yes, because people can still say 'hay that's false'.

Also Lardo I DO have a reason for voting foul (which I shared with Olinad), but I don't feel like sharing it quite yet.

Edit: fuck ninja'd by Ace

Question: would a screenshot of a night action pm be legal or illegal?

illegal

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Would telling us how many assassins were in the game at the beginning of Day 1 be OK?

It's on this page that we find The Answer.

BagelBob wrote:

Would telling us how many assassins were in the game at the beginning of Day 1 be OK?

I told you beforehand that I intended to use a total of 7.

However, I also told you that that may not necessarily be how many I would actually use.

In either case, regardless, no matter how many of them may or may not be dead at this point, the answer is no, I can't divulge how many Assassins there actually were at the game's start.

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See you tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote nardi11011

The ninja will take care of Neo@lex. Why waste your votes lynching him?

EDIT: ...Oh. I guess I panicked when I read half the new pages and saw the 1 hr warning. Thats another -1 for me. >.>

lol yeah, I guess it is.

Status is updated with that change.

So, did everyone vote now?

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