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Touhou PyP II - [Game end. Just incompetence by me.]

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Salvage
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Salvage
Ok guys i can post 1 time a day and i'm getting tired of all of you being so bad seriously i was going to post in a while so this is how is going to be:


we are going to lynch two right now as we said d1 OK? regardless of what he says we can't keep a serial killer with a possible near win condition arround (yes he may lie to you about it you don't have to fucking listen and take as true everything he says)




other than that i'll try to talk with votes later on with the numbers of every player if i'm not lazy enough and i have to say something important.



right now we're gonna lynch two regardless seriously don't be so bad at mafia omg, just vote two pls
Chris_old
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Chris_old
no
Two_old
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Two_old
notice how salvage ignores the fact that my vote doesn't count today

he's just trying to save ladysuburu, like wojjan was trying to save him, and like ladysuburu saved wojjan
Luna
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Luna
How does Two know every freaking detail of LS' role? He'd have no reason to tell him everything
orz
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Oh. Your vote for Wojjan counted... I just forgot. Crap.
Two_old
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Two_old

Luna wrote:

How does Two know every freaking detail of LS' role? He'd have no reason to tell him everything
orz
they presented themselves as someone who wanted me to win independently, as someone who got to not only choose their own win condition but could ask questions about the setup every night

I don't know their motivation, maybe to get my trust? their motivation doesn't really matter to me

the fact is they said they weren't going to do something, then they did it and cost town a time reversal
Chris_old
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Chris_old
and poor jinxy didn't even get to play again because of them

that is a good enough reason to kill them
Two_old
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Two_old
it's also comical that they said they wanted me to win while pretending not to know that my kill would get blocked by their ability
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm very skeptical about your claim though.

So far I see a universal 'roleblocker' (specific day role negation?) jailkeeper who affects both day and night and can set up a mason with the target and also divulged every bit of information about their role to a claimed serial killer. Sorry if I find that a little ludicrous.

I want to hear what LS has to say this time. I'm not rushing this one to suit your needs.
Rantai
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Rantai
Or is it just day?
Two_old
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Two_old
is the only foundation of your skepticism the amount of information, or do have you used logic to draw an alternate explanation for yourself?

I'm a good liar but I can't make what I said up
Two_old
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Two_old
the blanket roleblock is just day, and I don't know if it's multi use or not
Rantai
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Rantai
The foundation of the skepticism stems from the fact you're a serial killer, the role is rather awkward (and I can't think of a character that fits off the top of my head), a jailkeeper is something I coin with town (this one is debatable though) and you might just be lying like every other anti-town player would.

I don't want to have our potential doc/jailkeeper killed to the whims of a SK without any other discussion/explanation.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
two copy and paste the entire quick topic so we can see it
Two_old
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Two_old

Chris wrote:

two copy and paste the entire quick topic so we can see it
if lilac says it's ok

Rantai wrote:

(and I can't think of a character that fits off the top of my head)
does it help if I say she pulled me into a crevice?
Lilac
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Lilac
Due to the Physics, you are not allowed to.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
paraphrase then
Two_old
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Two_old
I already paraphrased
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

I already paraphrased
in order the entire chat
Luna
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Luna
I have a plan that's different from lynching LS and - in my opinion - has more profits for us.
Two's claims are all so strange and he is a claimed SK, so I really don't want to blindly follow their claims.

We just continue as usual with scumhunting and stuff, leaving Two and LS alone. During night, Two kills LS. This is advantageous for us because we get a directed NK on a likely anti-town player (depending if what Two said was true). It is also advantageous for Two since he has a good chance of turning town according to his claim and eliminating anti-town should be high priority for him for exactly that reason.
To stop that kill from happening, there are two realistic possibilities:
1. LS jails Two again
2. scum kills Two

Get an investigative role on Two and we can confirm what happened. It's highly unlikely that scum has another roleblocker since they apparently already have a day+night one. With an investigative role, scum wouldn't kill Two (would be suicide) and if LS targets him again, that removes a scum role for the night and confirms him as the next lynch.


So instead of
LS lynch
random scum NK
random Two kill

we get
an additional scumhunting lynch
random scum NK (if it's Two, we even get a scum player through investigation)
possible LS kill but guarantee to take either him or his ability out of the equation


Makes more sense imo
But feel free to tell me what you think about it.
Rantai
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Rantai

Two wrote:

does it help if I say she pulled me into a crevice?
Hmm there's one I could think of that fits all but the blanket negation. I guess I'll need to brush up on my character knowledge.

/scratch head

It also seems that Lilac confirmed a mason at the least. Now the only question is why would LS divulge everything.

I will hold off until LS has a say in this.
Two_old
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Two_old
me: hi

them: hi, want to know anything

me: anything would be great, you already know everything about me

them: I chose my win condition to be "I win when anyone else wins", I can ask a question every night and tonight I asked about the town mafia independent ratio (which ended up being 2 - 1 - 1), talking to you here roleblocks you but hopefully it doesn't stop your kill, I'm going to negate all day actions tomorrow, I wouldn't mind letting you win but I don't think the town will let you - I don't care if I win, I'm just going to mess with people

any questions?

me: what motivated you to "risk" roleblocking me and what motivated your decision to stop day actions

them: I felt like it, and I also figured it would give you more information, plus I protect people though I don't think you need it with bulletproof

any more questions?

me: I don't think it's a good idea to negate day actions tomorrow

them: I guess I won't then
Chris_old
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Chris_old
well that was a lot more insightful

you suck LS :(
Rantai
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Rantai
That certainly sounds like something LS would do/say....

Admittedly that is something hard to make up. Ok fine I believe you now.

Vote: LS - screw your mind games.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
LS didn't save me. I roleblocked you.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Well, I also roleblocked. Yumemi Onezuka, town Jack of all trades. Oneshot cop, doc, vig, roleblock.
Luna
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Luna
I feel like speculating about the setup.
Considering the Imperishable Night theme and the lack of death flips, I think it's likely that a Mystia Lorelei exists with the (passive) ability to hide all information of dead players. She may or may not recieve coroner information herself.
If a name-/rolecop exists and finds a Mystia during the course of this game, I'd be up for a lynch.
In case you aren't so familiar with the Touhou games, Mystia is a character from the game Imperishable Night (look at the thread title for a connection) with the abilities to create night-blindness and confusion. While the confusion only affects humans, the night-blindness also affects youkai so it wouldn't be a stretch to make her a universal janitor-type role.
Luna
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Luna
ninja'd with important information lol
Who did you roleblock, Wojjan? Two?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Don't lynch LS he is in his every right to roleblock a serial killer btw.
You are lynching a jailer because a serial killer is telling you to
why is town so bad or are you all just independents with a hidden agenda
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I'm lynching a jailer for roleblocking me not two
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Yes I did. My oneshot is now gone but we don't need it anyway because we have a jailer who can just keep two busy until you guys snap out of your trance and lynch him for fuck's sake
Two_old
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Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

Don't lynch LS he is in his every right to roleblock a serial killer btw.
You are lynching a jailer because a serial killer is telling you to
why is town so bad or are you all just independents with a hidden agenda
conveniently not considering the fact that ladysuburu lied
Wojjan
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Wojjan
well alright you were gonna keep reversing time until we lynched a townie so I can see where LS is coming from
Wojjan
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Wojjan
LS admitted to just fucking around with everyone I am not surprised he lied and I really don't care if it means Chris can't be his stuckup self and reroll the odds
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Wojjan wrote:

well alright you were gonna keep reversing time until we lynched a townie so I can see where LS is coming from
yeah I was obviously going to reverse time infinitely because you believed that and everything

ngaplz

kill wojjan tonight two

lynch LS
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm more concerned that we have a roleblocker who's intention is to 'screw with people'.

I was at the same apprehension but that writing is either Two knowing LS well or real.
Two_old
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Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

well alright you were gonna keep reversing time until we lynched a townie so I can see where LS is coming from
^ wojjan roleclaiming mafia right there, it makes no sense at all to have that train of thought
Chris_old
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Chris_old
wojjan I have never seen you play as bad as you just did with that last post

you should be ashamed
Wojjan
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Wojjan
It makes no sense to leave a claimed serial killer alive to just do what he wants and win

Vote: Two

this game was screwed the moment Lilac came with the great idea of one-fourth independents
Two_old
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Two_old
I thought you just said I was a non-issue with ladysuburu keeping me in check?

stay consistent if you want even the worst players here to believe your lies
Chris_old
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Chris_old
mafia logic

two can be lynched any time

he's useful now and you're mafia~
Wojjan
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Wojjan
True. Unvote
if you lynch LS though I am modkilling myself so bad out of this joint
Luna
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Luna
I stand by my previous plan, leave LS and Two alone and have Two NK LS
Two_old
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Two_old
luna, you know that that is impossible, and yet you propose it
Two_old
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Two_old
the only reason I can see you pushing for that is to keep the doctor on the bulletproof, right?
Luna
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Luna
Yes, it either works (good for us since we get a directed kill on a player with anti-town actions)
Or you keep LS occupied (good for us since he won't be able to mess anyone else up and we don't have an uncontrolled SK kill)
Luna
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Luna
Wait, what? I never mentioned a doctor
Two_old
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Two_old
ladysuburu is part-doctor

that's what a jailkeeper is
Wojjan
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Wojjan
sounds good but what if LS doesn't go on Two just for shits and giggles because he's like that
Chris_old
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Chris_old
hopefully you'll die
Luna
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Luna
yet you claimed he was anti-town and want him dead.
So keeping him on you is anti-town but lynching him isn't?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
see lilac this is why you allow oneshot selfdoccing
Chris_old
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Chris_old
NoHItter
animask
pieguy
Sync
Backfire
dkun
LadySuburu
Dafydd
Ivalset

do these people ever post
Two_old
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Two_old

Luna wrote:

yet you claimed he was anti-town and want him dead.
So keeping him on you is anti-town but lynching him isn't?
wanting to keep a roleblocker on a pro-town player is anti-town

wanting to keep a doctor on a bulletproof player is anti-town

I believe that leads the conclusion that you are anti-town

in fact, I'm willing to suspend my attack on ladysuburu indefinitely and instead lynch you

unvote, vote Luna
Wojjan
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Wojjan
As long as it's Luna I'm cool with it.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
zzz

I would rather kill LS over luna any day
Luna
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Luna
So, keeping someone you said yourself is playing anti-town occupied with a Serial Killer is anti-town?
Sure
Two_old
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Two_old
ok, what if wojjan uses their vigilante kill on luna and I kill who wojjan wants sans chris, then we lynch someone who doesn't post?

unvote
Chris_old
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Chris_old
why don't we lynch LS, wojjan shoots luna and you kill someone who doesn't post
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Wojjan
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Wojjan
Then you just kill me anyway.
I'm not stupid.
Two_old
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Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

Then you just kill me anyway.
I'm not stupid.
that makes no sense
Luna
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Luna
I'd like to point out that Two =/= pro-town
He's a freaking SK

Yet you all follow him like he's Jesus or something.
Two_old
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Two_old
I'm a sensible serial killer

one who also can turn town, thank you very much
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Why would you kill who I pick.
I'll vig a lurker you kill Luna if you want rid of them so bad
Chris_old
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Chris_old
this game is only active with like 4 people it's pretty boring honestly

I think there is like 5 people who haven't posted once and they could all be mafia
Luna
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Luna
One who CLAIMS that he can turn town. And even then, you'd likely kill two town players before turning.
Two_old
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Two_old
the idea is that we perform each other's kill choices wojjan
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm only really up for a LS or Two lynch at this stage. LS for the blatant admittance of basically going against town and all and Two because I am fine with lynching a SK at anytime.

I don't care what alignment you may or may not be able to be mainly because it's purely down how well you lie about it.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I am still mad I couldn't turn it back d1 :(

also this ??? bullshit on kills pretty much negates any information for scum hunting you could get through that
Chris_old
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Chris_old
for the record I still want LS lynched

wojjan you kill luna
two you kill who wojjan says

k thats decided
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yes I totally trust you with this.

actually sure I'll amuse you

I would oneshot vig Backfire.
You?
NoHitter
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Yes I was planning to post, but I was busy finalizing roles for the game I'm hosting.

So Two claims to have been jailed by LS.
Two claims that LS is a Jailer who blocks up to the day.
Then we have Wojjan who just claimed JoAT and said to have used the one-shot Roleblock on Two instead.

Wait a minute.
That still doesn't explain Chris' ability not working.

We already have a Jailkeeper (semi-blocker) and a One-Shot Roleblocker (from JoAT).
So we have three roles that can block?
Luna
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Luna

Chris wrote:

also this ??? bullshit on kills pretty much negates any information for scum hunting you could get through that
I'm pretty sure there's a coroner for town or some other way to find out that information (like my theory about Mystia).
Anything else would be a horribly stupid setup
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Alright Luna
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ladysuburu can day roleblock which was I assume intentionally designed for my role

which means they are anti town imo
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Nohitter read the thread pls
LS had the ability of disallowing day actions
Rantai
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Rantai

Chris wrote:

ladysuburu can day roleblock which was I assume intentionally designed for my role

which means they are anti town imo
Yet these roles were determined before the submissions. I think it's just a general day roleblock (equally affecting scum and town).
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Chris wrote:

ladysuburu can day roleblock which was I assume intentionally designed for my role

which means they are anti town imo
Yet these roles were determined before the submissions. I think it's just a general day roleblock (equally affecting scum and town).
my role was modified even after I got my pm twice

I know they weren't
NoHitter
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NoHitter
I thought the day roleblock affects whoever LS targets during the Night?
And that whoever LS targets gets to speak via a QT.

So shouldn't Two be the one who got roleblocked?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

I thought the day roleblock affects whoever LS targets during the Night?
And that whoever LS targets gets to speak via a QT.

So shouldn't Two be the one who got roleblocked?
they roleblock everybody during the day

aka if there was a vigilante their shot wouldn't work and they'd lose it
Rantai
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Rantai
Hmmmm I see.

Also apparently it's a universal roleblock Hitter and Two did get blocked iirc.
Two_old
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Two_old
vote dafydd
Wojjan
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Wojjan
vote dafydd
finally a lynch I can agree with
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ok I'm good with that too

but fucking LS go away

unvote vote dafydd
Rantai
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Rantai
Hmm lurker lynches now. If we're going to that I'd rather wait for every single one to start talking.
Dafydd
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Dafydd
Lol. I just like afked for awhile then I got this.
Anyway, I personally think a LS lynch would be more productive lol.
Then we could maybe, uhm shoot another inactive perhaps.

Seriously guys, I was just waiting for the right moment to post.
You like ninja'ed me 4x in D2 already.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
alright
I wouldn't
since it's Dafydd
that's like waiting for last night's leftovers you spilled in the sink to evolve into sentience and take you hostage
Wojjan
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Wojjan
ninjad by dafydd
the irony
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Why don't we pressure vote all lurkers and force them to post something productive?
Vote: Dafydd
Wojjan
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Wojjan
nohitter get your game in gear
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Ninja'd by Wojjan and Dafyyd.
I guess that's somewhat some discussion?

Vote: dkun
Rantai
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Rantai
That was amusing, sorry.

Is there some sort of hate floating specifically around Dafydd?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yes
he joins then never posts
and then akrolsmr has to replace him
and then he dies the next day
and no one is happy :(
Sync
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Sync

Chris wrote:

NoHItter
animask
pieguy
Sync
Backfire
dkun
LadySuburu
Dafydd
Ivalset

do these people ever post
I was sleeping and a lot has gone on in 2 hours

can someone explain why we are lynching lurkers now? seems unproductive as fuck (ironically)

Luna: can you give us any insight on your role
Wojjan
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Wojjan
hi sync
hi backfire
i c u
Dafydd
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Dafydd

Wojjan wrote:

alright
I wouldn't
since it's Dafydd
that's like waiting for last night's leftovers you spilled in the sink to evolve into sentience and take you hostage
Not really.
Just trying to think of helpful posts which you guys are actually better of.
I'll post like shit then in the next games. O.o

Fine then if it satisfies you all.
vote Dafydd


But of course there are more worse lurkers here than me lol.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
selfvote is giving up
gogogogo no brakes
Rantai
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Rantai
Ahhh I didn't know that at least I can understand why you guys are voting.

Unvote

Still without anything to back it up apart from meta I'd still rather see the others as they are all equally useless.
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh a self vote huh.

Vote: Dafydd
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Vote: Dafydd

A defeatist attitude like that is scummy.

Edit: So many ninjas.
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