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Two_old
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Two_old
ok, roleclaim: setup sleuth

my song is 'the long drive' by hamell on trial

today I was informed that "Three of them are investigative roles: a Cop, a Tracker and a Watcher, and two of them have evil intentions."

I was also informed that I was motivated and given a vigilante kill, which as you can see I used on dkun

so yeah it's pretty much impossible to lose

vote nohitter
Chris_old
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Chris_old
unvote vote: nohitter

wow that is just amazing

thanks for your contribution dkun

also I called nohitter mafia DAY FUCKING ONE
Sync
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Sync
pieguy nohitter and you still had votes on me even at the end of the day :( what is this shit I COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

IT'S MY LIFE ON THE LINE

fos: nohitter. his claim is believable but that doesn't mean he isn't scummier than a swamput that doesn't mean he isn't scummier than a swamp

EDIT: copy and pasted the same thing twice
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Sync
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Sync
oh what the fuck ninja'd
Chris_old
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Chris_old
is this game really gonna be won by a mass claim

hurry up and get majority on nohitter before he survives another day
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Sync
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Sync
maybe

let's try that post again

pieguy nohitter and you still had votes on me even at the end of the day what is this shit I COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

IT'S MY LIFE ON THE LINE

fos: nohitter. his claim is believable (because of dkun's claim) but that doesn't mean he isn't scummier than a swamp
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Sync wrote:

maybe

let's try that post again

pieguy nohitter and you still had votes on me even at the end of the day what is this shit I COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

IT'S MY LIFE ON THE LINE

fos: nohitter. his claim is believable (because of dkun's claim) but that doesn't mean he isn't scummier than a swamp
vote sync if you don't vote nohitter
Sync
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Sync
god dammit i'm totally up for a nohitter lynch but let's at least wait for another person's input
Sync
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Sync
fuck it

Vote: NoHItter
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Sync wrote:

god dammit i'm totally up for a nohitter lynch but let's at least wait for another person's input
GIVE YOUR INPUT AND VOTE

you've got one of two things happening


nohitter is confirmed mafia
two is confirmed mafia

VOTE GO

ty
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Two, isn't that claim too convenient?
You claimed Setup Sleuth who conveniently got info about three investigative roles and how two of them have "bad intentions" just when you "obtained" a vig role from someone which you could use to verify that statement?

Besides, how does a motivation give you a Vig Kill? Motivations usually upgrade the ability you already have. How can an investigative role like Setup Sleuth get a Vig Kil from being motivated?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Two, isn't that claim too convenient?
You claimed Setup Sleuth who conveniently got info about three investigative roles and how two of them have "bad intentions" just when you "obtained" a vig role from someone which you could use to verify that statement?

Besides, how does a motivation give you a Vig Kill? Motivations usually upgrade the ability you already have. How can an investigative role like Setup Sleuth get a Vig Kil from being motivated?
tl;dr

lynch nohitter
Sync
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Sync
lol chris why are you rushing so hard
Two_old
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Two_old
convenient is expecting people to forget the bottom line: you claimed cop day 1 and claim to have both not been killed and not been roleblocked

as for why I got a vigilante kill, the only connection I can make is sleuth->detective->copish->cops have guns

I'm not wojjan
Chris_old
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Chris_old
can the watcher roleclaim pls I promise we wont lynch you
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

convenient is expecting people to forget the bottom line: you claimed cop day 1 and claim to have both not been killed and not been roleblocked

as for why I got a vigilante kill, the only connection I can make is sleuth->detective->copish->cops have guns

I'm not wojjan

thats what i said d1 too if he didn't die he was mafia

tomorrow I wanna lynch pieguy I bet he is watcher
NoHitter
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NoHitter
So basically the reason why you're suspecting me is because I'm alive and I successfully delivered a result?
You're forgetting the fact that the setup here is not known.
If there was a confirmed Mafia Roleblocker, then sure my staying alive and being unroleblocked would be suspicious, but there isn't.
Your argument about "me staying alive and being unroleblocked = scum" is basically WIFOM surrounding the Night Actions and roles.

Incidentally, an even more basic contradiction, how can a Cop be Mafia?
Cops investigate people to be guilty/not guilty.
You yourself are saying that I'm Cop, yes?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
you didn't actually deliver a result, you just said you scanned somebody

so who was it

also if you really believed two was bullshitting you would of voted for them already
Two_old
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Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

So basically the reason why you're suspecting me is because I'm alive and I successfully delivered a result?
You're forgetting the fact that the setup here is not known.
If there was a confirmed Mafia Roleblocker, then sure my staying alive and being unroleblocked would be suspicious, but there isn't.
Your argument about "me staying alive and being unroleblocked = scum" is basically WIFOM surrounding the Night Actions and roles.

Incidentally, an even more basic contradiction, how can a Cop be Mafia?
Cops investigate people to be guilty/not guilty.
You yourself are saying that I'm Cop, yes?
a mafia cop is just a role cop with the ability to discern town from independent and cover up their alignment, so I'm not seeing anything nonsensical

and I'm not saying that I believe you are mafia because you are alive and not roleblocked, I'm saying that is compounded on top of being told by the host that you are mafia

nt though
Chris_old
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Chris_old
delayed post implies guilty
NoHitter
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NoHitter
@Chris
I am not outing my Inno; at least not yet.
Doing that would be stupid as he'll only be a target for the Nightkill.
Maybe when I'm going to get lynched, I'll out him, but not right now when there's still a chance I don't get lynched.

Also, you should know by now Chris that I'm never hasty when it comes to voting.

@Two
You said Cop when you were talking regarding those three investigative roles - not ROLE Cop.
So you're now saying that you meant to say that I was a Role Cop?
Besides, independents appear as Innocent to me.
Two_old
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Two_old
no, I'm saying I assume a mafia cop would function as a role cop in addition to what it normally does
Chris_old
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Chris_old
nohitter you're not going to deliver a result because you know your only option would be actually verifying a town member

if you picked mafia after we lynched you that'd be two down~

also you would be the NK option always if you weren't mafia

lololol
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Two wrote:

no, I'm saying I assume a mafia cop would function as a role cop in addition to what it normally does
Despite the fact that there is already a term for "Role Cop" separate from "Cop"?
Your basically saying that "Role Cop" and "Cop" are interchangeable.
Mafia have Role Cops - not Cops. Wojjan gave you the term "Cop" not "Role Cop".

Chris wrote:

nohitter you're not going to deliver a result because you know your only option would be actually verifying a town member

if you picked mafia after we lynched you that'd be two down~
Actually I already hinted who I investigated even before Two's claim.
That's all I'm going to give though.

Just to clarify:
I'm a townsided Odd-Night Cop.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
red text guilty subconscious
Rantai
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Rantai
And I was wondering why you were so quiet the other day.

3 mafia right? If he is lying that's 1 and possibly 2 outed right there.

NoHItter is either town or mafia. If he is town we get to lynch Two and if Chris still insists on keeping him alive when the call was wrong, then we lynch him too.

Follow that and I am perfectly fine with this.

If he is mafia, then well guess I have to believe Two.

Vote: NoHItter

Also Hitter, who's your innocent?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
lol lynch chris

what world are you living on
Rantai
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Rantai
Well if you want to defend Two if he's lying then by all means.

If you're not lynched for that then I truly will never understand the thought process of town. Ever.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I am already confirmed town~
Rantai
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Rantai
When and where?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
viewtopic.php?p=1289174#p1289174
Rantai
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Rantai
What a troll :<
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Wrong Chris.
You are pushing too hard on so little info that it is very scummy.
You only have Two's claim. You YOURSELF have no information whatsoever yet you are pushing HARDER than Two.

@Rantai
Like I said I am not willing to out him yet, but I gave a hint as to who I investigated.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Wrong Chris.
You are pushing too hard on so little info that it is very scummy.
You only have Two's claim. You YOURSELF have no information whatsoever yet you are pushing HARDER than Two.

@Rantai
Like I said I am not willing to out him yet, but I gave a hint as to who I investigated.
you can post as much as you like but you're mafia and you knowwww you're getting lynched

I remember when rolled had this huge thing about why he wasn't mafia and then two posted that he scanned him last night

this is reminding me of that

also when wojjan says someone is mafia I believe them
Rantai
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Rantai
So uh if that 3 is worth anything I take it it's me?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

So uh if that 3 is worth anything I take it it's me?
hope you don't have an important role~
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Well then Chris, if I do get lynched and you're town then please reconsider your Mafia play style.
If you're Mafia then I congratulate you for successfully lynching a investigative role.

@Two
Also, if you really believe that a Cop = Role Cop, then at least PM Wojjan and inquire regarding it.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Well then Chris, if I do get lynched and you're town then please reconsider your Mafia play style.
If you're Mafia then I congratulate you for successfully lynching a investigative role.

@Two
Also, if you really believe that a Cop = Role Cop, then at least PM Wojjan and inquire regarding it.
didn't you say that exact same thing to animask last time you died as mafia

also ya I agree two pm wojjan and make sure
Two_old
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Two_old
I don't care what kind of cop you are

all I know is, unless there's another cop, you're mafia
NoHitter
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NoHitter
@Chris
Well what I did say to animask was true.
You really should change that "I'm all-knowing" play style.

@Two
So you're not going to even bother at the very least, to inquire about it?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

@Chris
Well what I did say to animask was true.
You really should change that "I'm all-knowing" play style.

@Two
So you're not going to even bother at the very least, to inquire about it?
there is no need to change perfection sry
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Well then, if you are townsided then you got a flaw in your play style.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
whoever votes for nohitter last is mafia
NoHitter
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NoHitter
I just realized something...

Two's play does not fit the play of scum or town.
If he is scum, then lynching me with his false information is suicide as he would be heavily suspected the next day.
If he is town, then why the hell would he accuse me of something untrue, unless the mod lied to him.

This leads me to the conclusion that Two is an independent - more specifically a lyncher.
I've already been told via my role PM that independents will show up as Innocent, so the presence of a lyncher is very possible.

Think about it, his claim would look like suicide if he were scum, but if he were to win when he lynches me, then such a claim would be a viable gambit.
Think about the convenience of his claim if his goal was only to lynch me.
(Kill dkun -> Setup a claim wherein he would bring suspicion to me -> Lynch me)

Incidentally, if he WAS given that information at the start of the day along with his Vig Kill, why didn't he claim the info first?
If he knew that among the "three investigative roles", two had "evil" intentions, then it would make more sense to claim it before shooting.
The only reason I can think of by not claiming it at the start was that he was planning to change what Wojjan "told him" in case dkun did flip scum.

Plus a lyncher getting motivated would explain the acquiring of the Vig Kill more than a investigative role.
Two_old
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Two_old
I lol'd
NoHitter
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NoHitter
tl;dr
I think Two is a lyncher out to get me. That explains how his play doesn't fit town nor scum.
I think Chris is mafia since he's pushing on my lynch with little reasoning but Two's claim. He's even pushing harder than Two is.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
tl;dr

lynch nohitter he's mafia
NoHitter
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NoHitter
I'm asking you guys to please NOT listen to what Two and Chris says immediately and at least try to think about this situation yourself.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

I'm asking you guys to please NOT listen to what Two and Chris says immediately and at least try to think about this situation yourself.
don't listen to what two says because he caught me and don't listen to chris because he knows I got caught and suspected me d1
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Alternatively, Two is a lyncher and Chris wants my lynch so badly since he's mafia and he doesn't want a Cop to remain in the game.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
any reasonable mafia would of killed you n1 lololol

which is exactly why you are one of them, on top of two + wojjan confirming it and my suspicion from the beginning
Two_old
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Two_old
this is the last time I'm going to indulge what you say, nohitter

NoHItter wrote:

Incidentally, if he WAS given that information at the start of the day along with his Vig Kill, why didn't he claim the info first?
If he knew that among the "three investigative roles", two had "evil" intentions, then it would make more sense to claim it before shooting.
The only reason I can think of by not claiming it at the start was that he was planning to change what Wojjan "told him" in case dkun did flip scum.

Wojjan wrote:

Please refrain from quoting PMs exactly, but seeing as it's remarkably easy to forge info, I won't modkill over it if you don't take a screencap. That's pushing it.
why do you think wojjan said that? it was in lieu of a message back to me personally, not that you didn't already know that

next you'll try something like claiming lynchproof cop
NoHitter
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NoHitter
When and where did Wojjan say that I was Mafia?
You ONLY have Two's claim that Wojjan said that "among the Watcher, Tracker and Cop, two of them have evil intentions."
You're not even sure if Wojjan said that.

And let me humor you and engage in the WIFOM argument your trying to justify with:
Hypothetically, if you were Mafia would you attempt to kill the Cop if there could be a Doctor around?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
EBWOP: The above was directed towards Chris.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
@Two
So you're saying that Wojjan posted that because you asked her if you could divulge your "info"?
Sync
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Sync
how about if NoHItter doesn't end up mafia we lynch either chris of two tomorrow

unlikely though
Two_old
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Two_old

Sync wrote:

how about if NoHItter doesn't end up mafia we lynch either chris of two tomorrow

unlikely though
I don't think it's possible to make a post more mafia-esque

truly immaculate

but I swear to god if I got lybydose'd this game you might as well lynch me tomorrow
NoHitter
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NoHitter
If Two is a lyncher like I think, then it would be to late to lynch Two.
So you'll have to settle for lynching Chris - which IMO is the best lynch even now at this moment.

That reminds me. I had enough time to think regarding this:
Vote: Chris
Chris_old
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Chris_old
do you mean naive fact checker

I doubt wojjan would do that cause they want people to still play their games

NoHitter wrote:

That reminds me. I had enough time to think regarding this:
Vote: Chris
oh you

so desperate

kill nohitter everybody

also lol settle for lynching chris

that was a good one
Sync
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Sync
I don't see why we wouldn't though seeing as you guys are so sure that NoHItter is mafia

and then tomorrow you're like "lol we made a mistake soz guys ^.^;;~~~"

oh well I'm pretty sure NoHItter is mafia anyways so it shouldn't be a problem
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Hey nice edit.

Also, I agree partly with Two and Chris.
If none of Chris or Two flip as Independent or Mafia, this game is messed up.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Hey nice edit.

Also, I agree partly with Two and Chris.
If none of Chris or Two flip as Independent or Mafia, this game is messed up.
oh no you screenshotted me adding more to my post

that totally validates your points
Sync
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Sync
could have at least said something about editing :(

but NoHItter is really grasping at the straws now lol
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also nohitter when you make a game don't hold this against me and give me vanilla

thx
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Not really, I've already addressed all points I needed to earlier.
Rantai
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Rantai

Sync wrote:

how about if NoHItter doesn't end up mafia we lynch either chris of two tomorrow
That's basically how I'm going to roll (as mentioned before).

And if some backwards logic about keeping a liar runs around.... >_>
NoHitter
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NoHitter
EBWOP:
Don't worry Chris. I'm not that kind of person.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I know that me or two is going to die tonight anyways after nohitter flips

no big thing~

NoHItter wrote:

EBWOP:
Don't worry Chris. I'm not that kind of person.
aw thx friend
Backfire
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Backfire
I'm claiming Stupid Townie
I spammed wojjan with death metal and screamo songs.
My role is that I can pretty much do nothing.
When I die, something will happen. What? I dunno.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I can't tell if backfire is just trying to avoid nohitters lynch by replacing himself or if he is just terrible claiming for no reason

hey mafia kill him
Sync
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Sync
that post made me laugh but backfire why don't you make yourself useful and vote
Rantai
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Rantai

Backfire wrote:

My role is that I can pretty much do nothing.
No?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I am indubitably town
Rantai
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Rantai
Yeah. Sure. Ok.
Mashley
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Mashley
Wait what the fuck why are these guys pushing to lynch NoHItter so hard? I get the whole investigative roles thing that Two said, but honestly that thing is incredibly vague in the way it refers to 'them'. Might be missing something but why hasn't NoHItter told us his result from night one yet?
Right now I am inclined to lynch Backfire, partly because his roleclaim seems a little out of the blue, and also partly out of curiosity (I know, that's bad).
Chris_old
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Chris_old
or you can vote nohitter like someone who wants to win

also he hasn't told us because he scanned a town and got their role and can't decide if he wants to try to claim town on one of the two other mafia or if he wants to claim town on a town and possibly get them lynched
Chris_old
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oh yeah and apparently left a hint in writing 3 which means rantai, claiming he scanned them

if rantai has a good role they're dead tonight~

unless of course me just saying that saved them, in which of course me/two will die

unless that saved us too, and so forth
Mashley
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Mashley
Didn't you try this tactic in secret santa too, Chris?
Chris_old
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Mashley wrote:

Didn't you try this tactic in secret santa too, Chris?
implying me being amazing at mafia has anything to do with what two said
Sync
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Sync
i assume mafia's NK is going to be a big ball of wifom

but I doubt it now chris since you keep bringing up scenarios and then being like "lol nvm I just saved xxx because I brought it up"

now it's probably going to be obvious

or not
bmin11
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bmin11
Backfire, try to get NK'd, not lynched :(

Before I vote, I want to ask Two why you hid the info before the shooting. Was there a situation you were afraid town might screw it up?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
inb4Backfire is the jester

I haven't really been able to get any good gut feelings early on the past few games, mostly because I'm more busy than usual and I have a bunch of IRL crap that I always end up thinking about instead. >_> Plus, I've been trying to avoid gut voting a bit more recently, but seeing as doing so didn't work out at all in Two's mafia I might as well go back (actually by the end I had 3 of the mafia figured out, as well as JInxyjem by the start, but I didn't get a chance to post and the only reason I had was a gut feeling)

I'm not sure either why Two didn't roleclaim until after dkun died, but anyway, vote: NoHItter
Two_old
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bmin11 wrote:

Before I vote, I want to ask Two why you hid the info before the shooting. Was there a situation you were afraid town might screw it up?
I wanted to quote my pm, which I did
Chris_old
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sure is a lot of not voting in here
bmin11
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Oh right. Forgot about that post you posted.

Vote: NoHItter
NoHitter
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NoHitter
And that was the hammer?
So Chris like I said, when I flip and your "perfect" strategy fails, please change it if you are town.

Lynch Chris the next day please.
Do it no matter what reasoning he'll give/what event will happen.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I thought you said two was lyncher
Rantai
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Rantai
Well if you flip town then Chris or Two are gone. At the very least I'll make sure my vote doesn't jump from either.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
no
bmin11
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I guess you found a very important role as you aren't claiming your result still?
Sync
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Sync
dddddddddd why do we have to wait until sunday that's like a year from now
Sync
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Sync
hi
Rantai
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Rantai
New Pork City.
Sync
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Sync
I don't get it :(
Rantai
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Rantai
Ahh don't worry then.

It'll be my lame inside joke.
Mashley
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Mashley
Okay then. I'm not so sure about his allignment but since clearly nothing is going to happen until we lynch him vote NoHItter
bmin11
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You are pretty slow, you know?
Two_old
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Two_old
that's really mean bmin
bmin11
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Ya, that was pretty bad, but still though :< I atleast expect people to read few posts before they vote, or even post to be honest.
Mashley
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I'm sorry?
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