Rantai wrote:
Means one of two things. The cop doesn't want to claim in the fear that he would be night killed, which I believe is very appropriate.
Or there is no cop and my role is confusing to the point where I will ask the mods why it was included in the first place.
Which now brings me to an interesting point, why do you want everyone to claim their roles? For the cop to expose himself, it gives the mafia a very easy target to kill. Alternative case, pressuring a mass claim will give the mafia a full selection of targets to choose from.
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Allow me to clarify; what process?
What am I to use specifically to think about what?
What am I to use specifically to think about what?
Process of massclaiming.
Read with what claiming roles actually does. I will not make this easier if you are town.
Read with what claiming roles actually does. I will not make this easier if you are town.
I'm not exactly the biggest fan of calling a massclaim. If it happens, it happens but I'd rather not get it pressured out on the first day. All we're going to get is a whole lot of vanilla claims and some possible true aux claims. Of course we won't know if those aux claims are real but the mafia sure will.
Not understanding the point of repeating myself, what point were you making?
Not understanding the point of repeating myself, what point were you making?
Vote: KRZY
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Current votecount for the City
Salvage - 1 (Lilac)
Lilac - 1 (Salvage)
KRZY - 1 (bmin11)
Salvage - 1 (Lilac)
Lilac - 1 (Salvage)
KRZY - 1 (bmin11)
vote: Lilac
Vote-splitting among my top 2 targets since I need to sleep now and won't be able to change my votes if anything new pops up. (See my post in the Society thread).
Vote-splitting among my top 2 targets since I need to sleep now and won't be able to change my votes if anything new pops up. (See my post in the Society thread).
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pieguy1372 ran through the offices, subduing any guard he came by while trying to find the records.
As pieguy tried to choke a guard from behind, he suddenly felt the same feeling around his neck. He reached his own neck to pull away... nothing. His felt his neck getting slowly crushed and being unable to breathe, with no way of stopping it. Slowly, he could no longer feel anything.
Soon after, another rebel came to the spot to investigate the faded rebel signal, but could find no external injury to indicate how pieguy had died. He did manage to confirm pieguy’s identity, though.
pieguy1372 - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS.
As pieguy tried to choke a guard from behind, he suddenly felt the same feeling around his neck. He reached his own neck to pull away... nothing. His felt his neck getting slowly crushed and being unable to breathe, with no way of stopping it. Slowly, he could no longer feel anything.
Soon after, another rebel came to the spot to investigate the faded rebel signal, but could find no external injury to indicate how pieguy had died. He did manage to confirm pieguy’s identity, though.
pieguy1372 - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS.
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Rantai knew this place like the back of his hand. After all, he had worked here for a long time as an undercover agent. However, the mansion was still ridiculously large, and it took over 8 hours to search the first floor, turning up nothing. Looks like the information was stored on another floor.
“Agent 63 reporting in, it looks like the information is stored somewhere else. I suggest we split into two teams, and I will lead the team heading for the upper floors. We- wha? Gah, this heat! I require assis...”
And radio contact broke off all of a sudden.. At the same moment, Rantai’s signal faded away.
A rebel quickly ran to where Rantai’s signal faded away, and found nothing but a charred spot on the ground. It was as if he simply disappeared.
Rantai - Undercover Rebel - Self-Aware Miller - Killed Night 1
IT IS NOW DAY 2.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
“Agent 63 reporting in, it looks like the information is stored somewhere else. I suggest we split into two teams, and I will lead the team heading for the upper floors. We- wha? Gah, this heat! I require assis...”
And radio contact broke off all of a sudden.. At the same moment, Rantai’s signal faded away.
A rebel quickly ran to where Rantai’s signal faded away, and found nothing but a charred spot on the ground. It was as if he simply disappeared.
Rantai - Undercover Rebel - Self-Aware Miller - Killed Night 1
IT IS NOW DAY 2.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
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is there only 1 mafia or what, confused as fuck.
anyways it's 5am here lol gonno go to sleep, be back in a couple of hours
is there only 1 mafia or what, confused as fuck.
anyways it's 5am here lol gonno go to sleep, be back in a couple of hours
Okay, so we lynched pieguy for the wrong reasons (he actually was Vanilla), but still hit Mafia so that is good.
Only one NK means that probably either one of the scum factions hit Rantai's Doc target or both targeted Rantai. I guess the former is likelier, Rantai doesn't seem like a prime NK-target since he'd probably have been an easy lynch if no Cop turns up. Seeing his flip now suggests the existance of a Cop, of course.
Any night results from anyone? Backfire?
I voyeur'd bmin and he wasn't targeted. My guess was that he seemed scummy but not quite easy enough to lynch, so the opposing mafia might want to take him out during the night.
Only one NK means that probably either one of the scum factions hit Rantai's Doc target or both targeted Rantai. I guess the former is likelier, Rantai doesn't seem like a prime NK-target since he'd probably have been an easy lynch if no Cop turns up. Seeing his flip now suggests the existance of a Cop, of course.
Any night results from anyone? Backfire?
I voyeur'd bmin and he wasn't targeted. My guess was that he seemed scummy but not quite easy enough to lynch, so the opposing mafia might want to take him out during the night.
oh right, i totally didn't took those 2 options in mind, a little too sleepy .. i'll try to come back fresh.
back, about pieguy what are you talking about? he was mafia in the NoHitter's game so the reasons we lynched him were right.
and yeah i guess one of the two mafia targeted who Rantai protected
and yeah i guess one of the two mafia targeted who Rantai protected
btw
Roleclaim: Rebel Explorer
i'm some kind of a watcher
targeted Backfire and got that bmin targeted him .. i'd assume bmin is the cop then? cause taking in mind Backfire's result then lilac's double vanilla claim must be true since he didn't target anybody, plus i'm not the cop and he's the only one left.
Roleclaim: Rebel Explorer
i'm some kind of a watcher
targeted Backfire and got that bmin targeted him .. i'd assume bmin is the cop then? cause taking in mind Backfire's result then lilac's double vanilla claim must be true since he didn't target anybody, plus i'm not the cop and he's the only one left.
Salvage wrote:
then lilac's double vanilla claim must be true since he didn't target anybody, plus i'm not the cop and he's the only one left.
nvm he could be the mafia that didn't send the kill in this game instead of the mafia left on the other one.
and i'm saying this before someone points it out cause if there was 1 mafia the other game should've ended, and if there was 3 then this one should've ended. (mafia needeing half the votes to win blah blah blah) so it's clearly 2 mafia per game.
Woops, my mistake with the pieguy situation, sorry xD
And to present yet another possibility: bmin could be mafia, targeting Backfire. But Backfire got protected by Rantai (Makes sense, he claimed a powerful intel role). If that's the case Lilac could still easily be scum if we assume that mafia has to choose who commits the NK. But Backfire's result still makes Lilac's claim a bit more believable.
And to present yet another possibility: bmin could be mafia, targeting Backfire. But Backfire got protected by Rantai (Makes sense, he claimed a powerful intel role). If that's the case Lilac could still easily be scum if we assume that mafia has to choose who commits the NK. But Backfire's result still makes Lilac's claim a bit more believable.
and if bmin is mafia then you're suggesting there is no cop at all?
that's why i find that really hard to believe.
that's why i find that really hard to believe.
That doesn't add up though.Luna wrote:
Woops, my mistake with the pieguy situation, sorry xD
And to present yet another possibility: bmin could be mafia, targeting Backfire. But Backfire got protected by Rantai (Makes sense, he claimed a powerful intel role). If that's the case Lilac could still easily be scum if we assume that mafia has to choose who commits the NK. But Backfire's result still makes Lilac's claim a bit more believable.
For the reason of Salvage, yes.
I can see two possibilities:
1) No Cop exists. In this case the Miller role was only implemented to confuse us, make us believe that a Cop exists and maybe force a premature claim out of Rantai (seing self-aware and all) to make him suspicious because double-game doctor is freaking powerful. So yes, it makes at least some sense to include self-aware miller without Cop in this setup. Also, Watcher, Tracker, Voyeur, Doc AND Cop looks a bit ridiculous in this small setup.
2) The Cop didn't claim yet/fakeclaimed to protect himself. Especially with Lilac pressing for a lynch on everyone that didn't claim this would make sense. If that's the case, the real Cop needs to counterclaim bmin today.
1) No Cop exists. In this case the Miller role was only implemented to confuse us, make us believe that a Cop exists and maybe force a premature claim out of Rantai (seing self-aware and all) to make him suspicious because double-game doctor is freaking powerful. So yes, it makes at least some sense to include self-aware miller without Cop in this setup. Also, Watcher, Tracker, Voyeur, Doc AND Cop looks a bit ridiculous in this small setup.
2) The Cop didn't claim yet/fakeclaimed to protect himself. Especially with Lilac pressing for a lynch on everyone that didn't claim this would make sense. If that's the case, the real Cop needs to counterclaim bmin today.
not really, the cop should have claimed when D2 started cause we can't affort to misslynch, you didn't claim backfire didn't claim lilac didn't and i'm for sure not a cop so i really really doubt the 2nd case would work.
why would you if you were the cop, not claimed already with your results?.
about the first case it's possible ..? i really doubt it but it could be.
why would you if you were the cop, not claimed already with your results?.
about the first case it's possible ..? i really doubt it but it could be.
I'm not saying it's good Cop play, I just say it's a possibility (even if only a small one).
Sorry for being late. I was taking my flight
Anyway, Roleclaim: Sentinel for Society and Coward Rebel for City. Sentinel works as a cop, and Coward as a Hider.
I scanned Salvage and got both town
I hid behind Backfire.
Anyway, Roleclaim: Sentinel for Society and Coward Rebel for City. Sentinel works as a cop, and Coward as a Hider.
I scanned Salvage and got both town
I hid behind Backfire.
That means Backfire wasn't Doctored by Rantai.
If what Luna said was correct.
ofc he wasn't, i watched backfire and only bmin targeted him
Oh right, you would have seen that...
Sorry, my concentration is a bit down, might be because it's nighttime and I had nearly no sleep.
Going to bed now lol (4am)
Sorry, my concentration is a bit down, might be because it's nighttime and I had nearly no sleep.
Going to bed now lol (4am)
Well, this is bloody going nowhere so I'm going to say this.
Vote: Luna. Now with a cop claim, voyeur is severely weakened. Let's also go through the roles that happened so far.
Backfire tracked Lilac ---> Lilac targeted nothing.
bmin copped Salvage ---> Salvage is town both games.
bmin hid behind Backfire
Luna voyeured bmin ---> bmin was not targeted at all.
Rantai could not have doctored bmin...
...Wait a minute. If bmin hid behind Backfire, shouldn't Luna have come up with a no result when voyeuring bmin? I don't know how this hider thing works.
Vote: Luna. Now with a cop claim, voyeur is severely weakened. Let's also go through the roles that happened so far.
Backfire tracked Lilac ---> Lilac targeted nothing.
bmin copped Salvage ---> Salvage is town both games.
bmin hid behind Backfire
Luna voyeured bmin ---> bmin was not targeted at all.
Rantai could not have doctored bmin...
...Wait a minute. If bmin hid behind Backfire, shouldn't Luna have come up with a no result when voyeuring bmin? I don't know how this hider thing works.
that's true, the voyeour action should've failed at bmin .. didn't have noticed that
vote: Luna
vote: Luna
mod: If an investigative role targeted a Hider who hid behind someone else, would he get a "failed" result or a "nobody targeted" result?
Possibitities right now:
1) I wouldn't recieve a "failed" result even if he hid
2) His Hider claim is false
Personally I actually think #2 is true. Doc + Hider means two roles that have a potential of confirming alignments in one person. It also makes it harder for scum to kill what is arguably the strongest role in the game because targeting him directly wouldn't work. Of course it can be risky since he could die by targeting the wrong people, but when we even had a Doc in the equation there could have been some crazy Cop-strategies for town. Looks overpowered.
This means bmin is either a Cop who doesn't want to be targeted by NKs (= Hider claim) or he is scum. If he is scum, Salvage is his scumbuddy, just saying.
One more thing: When bmin claimed, he didn't post anything about his Hider ability at first. He then deleted the post and posted a new one with the Hider information (I saw the post a few seconds after he made it, when I came back later it was gone and replaced by a new one posted a few minutes or so later). Back then I didn't really care about it because Hider doesn't affect me and I *think* his post at least included the name of his role - but I'm not completely sure about that so I'd rather just post about it now.
Oh, and please wait with the bandwagoning until the mods have cleared up the Voyeur vs. Hider conflict.
Possibitities right now:
1) I wouldn't recieve a "failed" result even if he hid
2) His Hider claim is false
Personally I actually think #2 is true. Doc + Hider means two roles that have a potential of confirming alignments in one person. It also makes it harder for scum to kill what is arguably the strongest role in the game because targeting him directly wouldn't work. Of course it can be risky since he could die by targeting the wrong people, but when we even had a Doc in the equation there could have been some crazy Cop-strategies for town. Looks overpowered.
This means bmin is either a Cop who doesn't want to be targeted by NKs (= Hider claim) or he is scum. If he is scum, Salvage is his scumbuddy, just saying.
One more thing: When bmin claimed, he didn't post anything about his Hider ability at first. He then deleted the post and posted a new one with the Hider information (I saw the post a few seconds after he made it, when I came back later it was gone and replaced by a new one posted a few minutes or so later). Back then I didn't really care about it because Hider doesn't affect me and I *think* his post at least included the name of his role - but I'm not completely sure about that so I'd rather just post about it now.
Oh, and please wait with the bandwagoning until the mods have cleared up the Voyeur vs. Hider conflict.
there is no hammering in this game luna so bandwagoning doesn't do much
There are no hammers, so it doesn't matter. (Goddamnit Salvage you ninja.) The fact is, you need to prove yourself not guilty within two days considering the clash of roles. (But yes, asking that question would help clear things up.) The people under question now is bmin and Luna, here are the accusations.
Luna claims that bmin changed his posted and believes that his Hider claim is false. Claim says that he deleted and edit his post with the Hider information. My idea is if bmin edited the information as Luna claimed, then bmin would more than likely have done it to frame Luna.
bmin claims to be cop and hider. Cop results claim that Salvage is town. With my own opinion, bmin could be just Mafia Rolecop claiming normal cop but there's literally no way of proving it. However, if bmin is town cop and hider as well as considering the mod's answer to Luna's question, it probably doesn't look good for Luna. Also, it might confirm Backfire as town in one or both games, depending on how the Hider works in this game.
Also, it's MyLo for me so there is absolutely no way I can afford a mislynch today at all.
Luna claims that bmin changed his posted and believes that his Hider claim is false. Claim says that he deleted and edit his post with the Hider information. My idea is if bmin edited the information as Luna claimed, then bmin would more than likely have done it to frame Luna.
bmin claims to be cop and hider. Cop results claim that Salvage is town. With my own opinion, bmin could be just Mafia Rolecop claiming normal cop but there's literally no way of proving it. However, if bmin is town cop and hider as well as considering the mod's answer to Luna's question, it probably doesn't look good for Luna. Also, it might confirm Backfire as town in one or both games, depending on how the Hider works in this game.
Also, it's MyLo for me so there is absolutely no way I can afford a mislynch today at all.
If bmin made up the Hider part and was scum I don't think it was to frame me, it likely was to explain away that he doesn't get NKd as claimed Cop with no Doc around.
Not only did bmin register Salvage as double town, Salvage also suddenly claimed Watcher which helped confirm bmin's claim.
Not only did bmin register Salvage as double town, Salvage also suddenly claimed Watcher which helped confirm bmin's claim.
Salvage claimed watcher before bmin said Salvage was double town?
The order doesn't matter if they are both scum.
Luna wrote:
If bmin made up the Hider part and was scum I don't think it was to frame me, it likely was to explain away that he doesn't get NKd as claimed Cop with no Doc around.
i really tried to get this sentence and failed, can you elaborate more?
Your post made it sound like order did matter.
So you're accusing Salvage and bmin of being mafia when the discrepancy of your role still stands? I mean sure, the scenario can work out but it's much riskier to do and considering we have a clash from your results...
...I think we should just wait for the answer of your question before we keep going on with this.
So you're accusing Salvage and bmin of being mafia when the discrepancy of your role still stands? I mean sure, the scenario can work out but it's much riskier to do and considering we have a clash from your results...
...I think we should just wait for the answer of your question before we keep going on with this.
@Salvage: Hider is basically saying "Don't target me". If he is scum, it saves him from the other scum faction and nobody will be suspicious if he survives the night.
(Your Watcher claim makes it even more risky to target him)
@Lilac: I'm not saying they ARE scum, it's just a continuation of my line of thinking from the previous post.
But I still believe that Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Cop AND Doc is a bit ridiculous for town in this setup, so I'm sure there are fakeclaims out there.
Also, I claimed my results before the others claimed who they targeted, it would have been extremely risky do do that, don't you think?
(Your Watcher claim makes it even more risky to target him)
@Lilac: I'm not saying they ARE scum, it's just a continuation of my line of thinking from the previous post.
If bmin made up the Hider part and was scum[...]^that post
But I still believe that Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Cop AND Doc is a bit ridiculous for town in this setup, so I'm sure there are fakeclaims out there.
Also, I claimed my results before the others claimed who they targeted, it would have been extremely risky do do that, don't you think?
not really, getting on your bmin and Salvage are mafia situation if he claims hider and we end up lynching you and misslynching this game would end so who are you saying wouldn't target him exactly?
You do realize Hider is not a guaranteed protection, right? I was taking the risk of targeting a mafia + a double kill if I wrongly guess the NK for the night. It actually took me awhile if I should actually hid behind Backfire to be honest. Here's my thought process.
I didn't claim cop D1. This made me thought I would be safe for the night. However, too many people claimed to be a miller on Society and an aux to be on City. This really shorten the possible cop list at the moment. I was rather worried since I kinda lurked, no I lurked too much and that would have made me look like an undercover cop for the mafia side. So I had to decide rather I should take the risk of being shot or take the risk of stupidly suiciding (+ and a double NKs)
Another point is, that there's no point of fake claiming a role at this moment. We have two mafias left and three townies left. If I was mafia, it would have been a better option to incriminate someone by claiming cop and end of story. Cop would have been a powerful claim since no one claimed until I came back from my flight. Surprisingly, no one did.
Anyway, another apology from me for lurking this game. I thought people would have figured out by process of elimination. Salvage is town on both games, and Backfire is town. It's obvious for me who are the mafias for City. Vote: Luna
I didn't claim cop D1. This made me thought I would be safe for the night. However, too many people claimed to be a miller on Society and an aux to be on City. This really shorten the possible cop list at the moment. I was rather worried since I kinda lurked, no I lurked too much and that would have made me look like an undercover cop for the mafia side. So I had to decide rather I should take the risk of being shot or take the risk of stupidly suiciding (+ and a double NKs)
Another point is, that there's no point of fake claiming a role at this moment. We have two mafias left and three townies left. If I was mafia, it would have been a better option to incriminate someone by claiming cop and end of story. Cop would have been a powerful claim since no one claimed until I came back from my flight. Surprisingly, no one did.
Anyway, another apology from me for lurking this game. I thought people would have figured out by process of elimination. Salvage is town on both games, and Backfire is town. It's obvious for me who are the mafias for City. Vote: Luna
Topic Starter
It will fail.Luna wrote:
mod: If an investigative role targeted a Hider who hid behind someone else, would he get a "failed" result or a "nobody targeted" result?
Anything to say, Luna?
Yes, that I am 100% sure bmin is lying.
Sigh...
I claimed my results very early, I didn't even wait for other results that could contradict mine. If I didn't have my role I would never have taken such a huge risk. Then suddenly claim pops up and gets corrected in a way that frames me (though none of you saw that deletion/repost, so you can't confirm that). And another claim that makes bmin's even more believable. Well played, Mafia, well played.
I know you won't believe me, but still vote: bmin
Sigh...
I claimed my results very early, I didn't even wait for other results that could contradict mine. If I didn't have my role I would never have taken such a huge risk. Then suddenly claim pops up and gets corrected in a way that frames me (though none of you saw that deletion/repost, so you can't confirm that). And another claim that makes bmin's even more believable. Well played, Mafia, well played.
I know you won't believe me, but still vote: bmin
...Actually, I'm going to jump ship.
Knowing this, I might regret it but everyone who's said that so far apart from foulcoon has turned town for me. Once again, I've become paranoid by the WiFoM that plagues this Mafia.
Unvote. This is one of the times I actually hate being a vanilla, I usually love it.
Knowing this, I might regret it but everyone who's said that so far apart from foulcoon has turned town for me. Once again, I've become paranoid by the WiFoM that plagues this Mafia.
Unvote. This is one of the times I actually hate being a vanilla, I usually love it.
Topic Starter
Votecount
Luna - 2 (Salvage, bmin)
bmin - 1 (Luna)
Luna - 2 (Salvage, bmin)
bmin - 1 (Luna)
bmin claim is a bit weird (hider) and i won't be surprised if he's Luna's partner trying to give a clean result on me so it comes up at me later on but i still don't get why doing all that crap when the game should end today either way, anyways i know i'm town on both games so
unvote, vote bmin
unvote, vote bmin
This game is so dead ;-;
Topic Starter
After searching the second floor for the day, Luna decided to take a break and visit the Middle World in hopes of finding the killer who had taken out the other rebels. He found an empty room and took out a small mat to sit on and began to meditate. He could feel his soul travelling to the Middle World, but before he could begin looking over his target, he felt his physical self in danger. He immediately returned to his body, only to find his body replaced with tiny little bits, with blood all over.
Well, shit.
Luna - Psychic - Dual-Game Watcher - Lynched Day 2
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An explosion was heard, and one of the rebel signals flickered off at the same time. Seeing this, the Right-Hand Man quickly reported to his boss.
“Hey boss, we number the rebels one to one right now.”
“Good, good. Take care of the one closest to you, I’ll handle the other with some... diplomacy.”
The Right-Hand Man cut off his signal, and began closing in on Backfire, who was tinkering with a small robot. He threw a pipe bomb at Backfire, and the resulting explosion shook the whole building even more than the previous explosion. Nothing but blood and metal bits was left of Backfire and his little robot.
Backfire - Scientist - Dual-Game Tracker - Endgamed
Meanwhile, the Mayor found Lilac retreating after he realised he was the only rebel remaining. He ambushed Lilac with a machine gun, and fired with wild abandon.
Lilac - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Endgamed
“Mr Salvage, the rebel has been taken of.”
“I’m done here myself, bmin. Good work. This town will forever be ours to control. MUAHAHAH-”
“Sir, stop that.”
“...Ahem, right.”
MAFIA WINS!
"Argh, the infiltration was a huge failure, we are doomed...
...What? Repeat that again!
...Our leader is alive? How... how is that possible?
We still have hope! Return to Plan A, over!"
Well, shit.
Luna - Psychic - Dual-Game Watcher - Lynched Day 2
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An explosion was heard, and one of the rebel signals flickered off at the same time. Seeing this, the Right-Hand Man quickly reported to his boss.
“Hey boss, we number the rebels one to one right now.”
“Good, good. Take care of the one closest to you, I’ll handle the other with some... diplomacy.”
The Right-Hand Man cut off his signal, and began closing in on Backfire, who was tinkering with a small robot. He threw a pipe bomb at Backfire, and the resulting explosion shook the whole building even more than the previous explosion. Nothing but blood and metal bits was left of Backfire and his little robot.
Backfire - Scientist - Dual-Game Tracker - Endgamed
Meanwhile, the Mayor found Lilac retreating after he realised he was the only rebel remaining. He ambushed Lilac with a machine gun, and fired with wild abandon.
Lilac - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Endgamed
“Mr Salvage, the rebel has been taken of.”
“I’m done here myself, bmin. Good work. This town will forever be ours to control. MUAHAHAH-”
“Sir, stop that.”
“...Ahem, right.”
MAFIA WINS!
"Argh, the infiltration was a huge failure, we are doomed...
...What? Repeat that again!
...Our leader is alive? How... how is that possible?
We still have hope! Return to Plan A, over!"