1) I don't see how that example with ztrot's map doesn't apply today.mochi wrote:
Wow. Way to use 2007/2008 maps to support your opinion.Natteke wrote:
Well, it's your problem really that you were aftaid to play Harder maps, not mapper's. When I started I jsut played whatever I downloaded and even tried maps like Kanbu and Marisa (which, by the way, had hardest diff names named Hard), even though they were extremely hard for me.By your logic, 99% of the insanes are mislabeled.Natteke wrote:
To me Hard means that the map is Hard to pass.
Insane means you have to be insane to play this map, like cookiezi or other pro koreans like White Wolf and Niko.
So please don't make me responsible for you being scared of playing harder maps.
Natteke... I have no idea why you're thinking everyone is judging on the difficulty name based on their skill level. Do you not see the inconsistency compared to almost every other map ranked recently?
Also you obviously misunderstood when I called her lazy. I meant she didn't want to make another difficulty to fill the difficulty gap.
Well I guess if the mapper doesn't have an "Insane" that it's totally ok to have the most difficult difficulty also be the most hardest one to play. About the score spread, just lol, wtf? xD Easy maps have sometimes under 100k. where normal have more than 1 million. Same situation.mochi wrote:
Still doesn't excuse the difficulty spread between the normal and hard difficulty.
An hour ago you were just saying that comparing different mapsets is pointless. So no... not the same situation.Neruell wrote:
Well I guess if the mapper doesn't have an "Insane" that it's totally ok to have the most difficult difficulty also be the most hardest one to play. About the score spread, just lol, wtf? xD Easy maps have sometimes under 100k. where normal have more than 1 million. Same situation.mochi wrote:
Still doesn't excuse the difficulty spread between the normal and hard difficulty.
Okay, I'll name my Insanes EasyNatteke wrote:
Here's the deal: name your diffs as you like and let others name their diffs as they like, the peace shall come upon us
That's the problem. I can name my insane as hard difficulty and it won't get ranked because a MAT/BAT will tell me to map an actual hard difficulty while some other mappers might get lucky and get their maps ranked even though they pulled the same stunt as me.Natteke wrote:
Here's the deal: name your diffs as you like and let others name their diffs as they like, the peace shall come upon us
No, that's actually a very foolish metric - at least, when used stand-alone. It takes into consideration the actual technical difficulty of each song. How hard the song actually is to play - fingering, timing, that sort of thing. Faster doesn't mean harder. A 140BPM song with double bass, a hi-hat on the 4ths and a snare on the backbeat is loads easier to play than a 100BPM song with the bass playing in thirds.ErufenRito wrote:
Oh I see, never noticed that each song has a "star difficulty" labeled on them (I don't own any of those games), and I suppose that those games uses the song's bpm to measure the stars?
Because you are not everyone, which is the intended audience of a ranked map. As also suggested here:La Cataline wrote:
What's wrong in having my own criteria of what is Hard or Insane?
This is correct from an individual's perspective. But difficulties and the naming thereof should never be treated as subjective nor based on the observer. A Hard difficulty is always a hard difficulty. You may find it impossible, or you may find it piss-easy, but it's still called "Hard" for a reason - because it falls within a specific range of challenge.Natteke wrote:
Eh, I guess it's pretty pointless to explain this all over again.
For sakura this will be Very Hard
For me it's Hard
For Cookiezi it's Easy
For newbie it's not even rankable
+1Natteke wrote:
I once was a newbie and didn't care how diffs were named
NeverDie wrote:
This IS on a hard level. Tired of seeing trash players like renachan always complaining about this shit. The fact I can DT this with 97% shows how damn easy it is. Learn to play, get with the times. There was no reason to making a thread whining about this, stop being such a mediocre player. In the end you don't HAVE to play this. I really hope someone punches your face multiple times in real life one day.
Oh, and for the record, you suck as a player. You're completely utterly trash. Stop over-exaggerating the skills you don't have. You're just a crap player that can barely 90% any decent insane song, let alone play with mods. If you WERE any decent, you wouldn't be complaining about this in the first place.
That's NeverDie for you. Take it with a grain of salt. Anyhow, that's basically what the initial point of this thread is, and if you read the posts, at least some people agree to it as well (read: awp, for one). Personally I'm pretty sure it's something that won't ever change unless someone comes up with specific rules for when a map should be named Hard, and when it should be named Insane. Not just guidelines, but clear, black-on-white rules with no grey areas. I'm glad to see some people agreeing at least, even though you are low in numbers.A8mew wrote:
That's just what this thread was missing.
Unwarranted hostility and skill bashing.
Oh well. IMO there needs to be more consistency in difficulty naming (if standard names are used) but it doesn't seem anyone can agree on it.
If someone will do it someday then I will be the first to call it a "no-life". Just thinking of the possibilities where you can't really decide which one is suited for this or that will just give you a headache just because of thinking about it. Even if it would be made possible, I am sure that a custom name will quickly solve that "issue". Just call it "Harder" instead of "Hard" xD But in the end, who cares about "names"?Rena-chan wrote:
Personally I'm pretty sure it's something that won't ever change unless someone comes up with specific rules for when a map should be named Hard, and when it should be named Insane. Not just guidelines, but clear, black-on-white rules with no grey areas.
1) the difficulty classification is pretty subjective. Why? someone has easier time with certain things, someother with other thingRena-chan wrote:
I'm pretty sure this has been brought up before, but really.
Why is it that obvious Insane difficulties are being labeled as Hard and ranked like that ?
I'm going to use this (07th Expansion - miragecoordinator) as an example here. "Hard" is a fairly streamy difficulty with lots of jumps and spacing changes, and while we all know that star rating doesn't always work well, it's not that difficult to map a proper Hard difficulty that doesn't have a 4.93 rating. Is this really what a Hard should look like ?
Or is it that BATs just don't give half a fuck about what they're ranking as long as it's "technically rankable" ?
It's not exactly a rare occurrence from what I've seen either.
Now before anyone goes "hurr you can't play hawrd", I'd like to state that I can, indeed, easily play Insane difficulties, just to clear up misunderstandings before they're made. This isn't about skill level, it's about wrong labeling and laziness.
hey nd deleting all bgs, sbs, and skins is what cool kids do yeNeverDie wrote:
This IS on a hard level. Tired of seeing trash players like renachan always complaining about this shit. The fact I can DT this with 97% shows how damn easy it is. Learn to play, get with the times. There was no reason to making a thread whining about this, stop being such a mediocre player. In the end you don't HAVE to play this. I really hope someone punches your face multiple times in real life one day.
Oh, and for the record, you suck as a player. You're completely utterly trash. Stop over-exaggerating the skills you don't have. You're just a crap player that can barely 90% any decent insane song, let alone play with mods. If you WERE any decent, you wouldn't be complaining about this in the first place.
That's what I do few seconds after I have downloaded the mappalion wrote:
hey nd deleting all bgs, sbs, and skins is what cool kids do ye
Took from an other thread.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
And that's what you should do.
Deleting maps parts kinda destroy a mapper works
Wishy22 wrote:
Ok let's do this:
Video = enter youtube, download it and include it in the map. No real work done.
BG = google images. No real work done.
SB = Usually some work here is actually done, and honestly I don't always delete SBs because they are not THAT annoying (sometimes) and they may even be useful (x2 warning).
Therefore the only real complaint from the pov of "mapper's work" should be the SB, which then again even peppy offered the community a toggle to disable it so...
PD: Playing maps with black BG and your own skin is the most damn fun thing you can do in this game.