So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.

Unless he flips cop but turns out to be insane, which is a very likely possibility.

Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.

akrolsmir wrote:

So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.

akrolsmir wrote:

Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.

Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?

EBWOP: countering the "but then y arnet u voting akro?? lol" argument: I'm still totally down on Mashley lynch.

akrolsmir, your logic makes zero sense.

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".

If Mashley turns out to be insane, how could that possibly make me mafia? That would make me TOWN.

oh and vote: Mashley cause I'm not mafia dawg

wait goddamnit I misread, disregard 2nd half of above post, Mashley said "not guilty"

damnit I hate that term over "innocent"

unvote

Lybydose wrote:

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia. Or you might not have known he was a saulus- I get the feeling that's not something one mafia would tell another.

I don't understand what Wojjan's accusing me of, but my reasoning is that Mashley is likely scum, and any way he flips we're netting two mafia. (And nobody seems to agree with me about Lybydose.)

akrolsmir wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia. Or you might not have known he was a saulus- I get the feeling that's not something one mafia would tell another.

That doesn't make any sense, his condition to swap to town obviously has nothing to do with being lynched, considering he was still mafia when he died. Why would "preventing him from being lynched" stop him from converting to town?

Furthermore, remember what I said at the start of the day? There is no possible way adam had access to scum chat. If he did, the game setup would be completely broken, and I highly doubt NoHItter would completely break the setup like that.

Lynching adam was clearly a bad move for the town, as it led to a "future town" dying and gave us no insight as to what the hell was going on between Wojjan and Mashley. As in, had we lynched Wojjan, we could have gained information. You're basically trying to lynch me here for being reluctant to go with a plan that was not in the town's best interests. Who's the scummy one here, is it me, or is it you?

If Mashley does end up being scum, how exactly does that give us two scum? Who's the second one, me? You realize that a mafia fake-claiming cop can pick a townie, call him out as innocent, and then lead everyone to believe he's trying to "clear scum partners" when he dies.

Wojjan wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.

akrolsmir wrote:

Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.

Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?

My point here is that for some reason you raise the possibility of Mashley being scum (and through your logic Lyby being scum by extension (not sure how that works yet)) or Mashley being a cop, and Me+Rantai being guilty and thus scum. You completely ignore the fact that Mash has two guilties in a row, and i's starting to seem pretty probable that he's an insane cop, based solely on his results.

If that would be the case, Mash would essentially have a guilty on the person you suspect the most. Why do you assume, if Mash flips town, that Lyby has to be town and me and Rantai mafs?

Sounds like some halfhearted, preemptive distancing there.

akrolsmir wrote:

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia.

oh another thing. You seem to know exactly what causes adam to switch over to town. Tell me, why would a townie know that?

hint: they wouldn't

Lybydose wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia.

oh another thing. You seem to know exactly what causes adam to switch over to town. Tell me, why would a townie know that?

hint: they wouldn't

spoiler: it's called speculation

That's some pretty horrible speculation. Obviously he's going to switch over to town if he remains unlynched (and you know, still living), otherwise the role would have no point.

Oh btw I did not target anyone N2.

Vote: Mashley

Asking for replacement.

Can't keep up with this

good luck town

At this point I'm leaning towards a mashley lynch as well, since I doubt both the existance of a second motivator and the two guilties seem unlikely.

@Wojjan- I'm open to believing that Mashley could be an insane cop- his sanity should be revealed upon death. I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of me- to vote for Lybydose based on that supposition?

@Lybydose- Are you saying: "We could have had adam convert to our side, thus lynching him was wrong and I was right to defend him?"

If you knew his role beforehand then it's obvious you're scum. That's information no townie had access to. Swift may have received some hints regarding it but no one had pieced it together to understand he was a saulus. Even if you had, there would be no way of knowing that the trigger for his conversion was not his death.
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If you were mafia, but did not know of adam's role:
You would have tried to protect him from being lynched especially since there was a wagon on Wojjan, if you could have persuaded more people to vote that way then a mafia member stays alive.

If you were mafia and did know of adam's role:
I have no idea what the conditions were for him to become town, but I think you assumed it was to be killed/lynched- that's the way it generally works, at least according to MafiaWiki. Acting under this belief, you would have wanted to prevent him from turning by preventing his lynch; it's just a lucky accident for you, then, that this particular death wasn't the trigger for his conversion.

I'm saying that defending adam would have been consistent with the interests of scum. I'll concede it's possible you were just misguided but that argument would fail to deter me from suspecting you.

No, I was reluctant to lynch adam because:

1. I didn't fully believe Swiftwolf's role was a completely sane cop
2. Even under the situation that Swiftwolf was a sane cop, the "note" he found led me to believe that there was more to his role than "har har I'm mafia"
3. People were voting for adam over Wojjan because adam's defense "sucked", even though it's the exact same thing he does every game that he's town. Meanwhile, Wojjan's defense (which actually DID suck) was just "oh yeah there could have been these other roles".

Whatever.

vote: Mashley so he can turn up town and clear me, because otherwise no one will believe anything until Mashley is dead apparently.

If you were mafia, but did not know of adam's role:
You would have tried to protect him from being lynched especially since there was a wagon on Wojjan, if you could have persuaded more people to vote that way then a mafia member stays alive.

Also this makes zero sense. If I was mafia and didn't know his role (in other words, he'd be town in my eyes), then how could I possibly know to protect him to keep a mafia member alive?

I'll say this again: there is ZERO chance adam knew who else was in the mafia, therefore, he didn't have access to scum chat. You can't conclude anything based on who he protects or who protects him. This isn't me claiming mafia and saying this because "I know it's true", this is me stating that in the interests of game balance, you CANNOT give a town player (or "converted to town later" player) the scum list.

VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (5) - Wojjan, Rantai, akrolsmir, KRZY, Lybydose

Not Voting (10) - LunaticMara, fishie, Lilac, Rolled, Mashley, pieguy1372, foulcoon, tastelikecoke, bmin11, LadySuburu
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Looking for replacement for Rolled

Mashley better explain how he got that motivation.

Wojjan wrote:

Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?

So basically, two copped scum is less likely to happen that 1 copped scum, therefore Mash is insane?
So cops are almost impossible to have 2 guilty results eh?

On the other hand, now with three data sets, urr, It's still not clear if Mashley's insane or sane, or scum. This makes me largely doubtful that Swift and Mashley coexist as cops and that Mashley got motivated after DxS's death. Quite lurky too. Amd there's also the two guilty results problem.
I haven't voted in the past days, so I'mma wagon on this one:
Vote: Mashley

tastelikecoke wrote:

Mashley better explain how he got that motivation.

Hey, how should I know? I just got told about the change to my ability, and not how it happened. I guess lynch is the only way you'll believe my results.

Hi apparently I've been prodded while I was posting.

Basically I don't have much else to add on to what other people have said. It is pretty difficult to believe that Mashley was motivated, especially because there was already one motivator.

Then again, he claimed pretty early on and took a risk in doing so, something I think mafia would have a hard time pulling off so early in the game. I guess we'll see as its pretty clear he will probably be lynched. I just know we're in good shape if he turns up to be legit. The only negative is we don't know for certain his sanity either way. I feel like it may be more beneficial to lynch one of his guilty results first.

Let me know what you guys think.

Responding to Prod and honestly, I'm in lost in WIFOMs. tbh I found Mashley roleclaiming on D2 was a weird move for a cop and for a mafia. Cop would have to wish there would be a protection role (and wish there aren't any Strongmans or Roleblockers) and for mafia, it's pretty a bold move as we'll probably end up lynching Mashley the next day. This would be the equivalent to trading one town (not even sure what kind of aux role is) for a mafia member. Atleast it's a risking a mafia member. It's something I have never seen and never thought of when I played as a mafia tbh.

I'm leaning more of an Insane Cop even though it's really hard to expect Phoenix to be insane. Maybe because he is a defense attorney? idk
Therefore, I'm willing to lynch one from the Innocent Result Mashley got, which is Lyby. It's hard to believe there could be a double cop, but if we look at the N2 result, we got ???????? from Swiftwolf. NoHItter may have tried to pull off a Miller + Cop role to hinder it. I think it is possible to have another cop

Motivator is something I'm having trouble with forming an opinion. It's full of WIFOM if I try to imagine any kinds of restriction or a time period for it's ability to work so it fits to the results we are getting. Just ruleing out the possibility is the easiest and the most believeable case to me. Just one question is why is Mashley bringing up the motivator into this if he is mafia? WIFOM WIFOM



P.S. Pretty much the same as foulcoon posted before me >_>... (just updated the thread before posting

Stemming off what you just said about Phoenix Wright. Insane cop doesn't really make sense for the video game choice. Maybe a naive cop (a defense attorney would want Innocent verdicts), but not an insane cop.

foulcoon wrote:

Stemming off what you just said about Phoenix Wright. Insane cop doesn't really make sense for the video game choice.

Spoilers just in case.

If he is an insane cop then Lybydose should be mafia. If we lynch Lybydose and he flips town, then Mashley is sane or he isn't a cop at all.

But to verify that we'll need to lynch Wojjan or I which I believe are not mafia.

I don't know, Mashley being lynched is at least guaranteed information.

Vote: Mashley

I really hope that this is worth it.

To further elaborate the LS's point, it's true that it did happen. What's more concerning, however, is that it is really the only case that I cam think of in which Phoenix is pressured to do that.

In the end, he found him genuinely guilty and it was happy days. It's been a LONG time since I played it.

One more vote and I'm hammered I believe.
Is sanity usually revealed when a player is killed?

I sure hope so or we'll have to spend another day lynching for verification >.>

Lilac wrote:

To further elaborate the LS's point, it's true that it did happen. What's more concerning, however, is that it is really the only case that I cam think of in which Phoenix is pressured to do that.

In the end, he found him genuinely guilty and it was happy days. It's been a LONG time since I played it.

He was only able to do that after he knew his friend was safe.

I don't think sanity will be revealed, so either way we're kind of wasting a lynch on verification. Thats why I thought it would be more beneficial to lynch one of the people Mashley found Guilty.

The main problem with that is that it's not a guarantee at all. If Mash is scum and just listed three townies with random results to gun for some mislynches the flip of a townie that's either guilty or inno won't pronounce the others as inno or guilty scum. If we go for Mash and maybe get his sanity at least we can lynch depending on that. Otherwise if he flips cop I'm pretty sure Phoenix won't be a RANDOM cop, so we can lynch either or based on an educated guess.

Responding to prod o.o

I have been following the thread, but I couldn't effing make up my mind and I was too busy to think about it much. Right now, I think it's most likely that Mashley is insane, which would make Lyby mafia, Rantai town, and Wojjan town. He already got two guilty results which doesn't seem that likely, and I also think Lyby is mafia because he attacked people for voting adam. He also FoS'ed me for "stopping discussion" when he voted for adam himself, despite the fact that if I waited Wojjan, who was town, could have been lynched.

The situation of Mashley being insane and Lyby being mafia makes sense IMO. vote: Lybydose

Fix: was -> could be

he could still be mafia, but I don't think it's that likely at this point, hence my error

or a scum slip

@Mashley: how are your results worded? I know you "kind of" answered it earlier, but that question was whether or not you got the person's name in your result.

Specifically, I'm wondering if you get "foo is town" and "foobar is not town", or if it comes up "foobar is guilty" and "foo is not guilty"? I'm assuming the latter based on what you said earlier.

The difference being that an independent role shows up differently depending on the wording.

also unvote so there's no hammer before he responds

So. much. text.

tl;dr - Mashley is getting lynched because there can't be two polices?

How about checkin' his insanity instead of lynching him? I'm just sayin'.

Unvote.

I do not want to risk lynching a possible cop.
Mashley got a guilty result on Rantai so I'll place my vote on him.
Vote: Rantai.

If Rantai turns out to be innocent then Mashley is either lying or he is an insane cop.

What do you guys think ?

LunaticMara wrote:

So. much. text.

tl;dr - Mashley is getting lynched because there can't be two polices?

How about checkin' his insanity instead of lynching him? I'm just sayin'.

And just how do you propose we check that?

He investigates himself. Gets "guilty". OK that means he's either random or insane. Or lying and is really mafia.
He investigates himself. Gets "not guilty". That means sane. Or lying and mafia.

No one has claimed to be a motivator that targeted Mashley yet, so I'm operating under the assumption that he's lying about this whole deal.

How about FisHie's idea?

Of course, if there is no other way - I'll vote him.

Why is the motivator hiding, if there is one ?
I don't get it.
In my opinion we should try to figure out Mashley's situation first before we lynch him.

This reminds me of what happened to Salvage.

LunaticMara wrote:

How about FisHie's idea?

Of course, if there is no other way - I'll vote him.

Wojjan wrote:

The main problem with that is that it's not a guarantee at all. If Mash is scum and just listed three townies with random results to gun for some mislynches the flip of a townie that's either guilty or inno won't pronounce the others as inno or guilty scum. If we go for Mash and maybe get his sanity at least we can lynch depending on that. Otherwise if he flips cop I'm pretty sure Phoenix won't be a RANDOM cop, so we can lynch either or based on an educated guess.

EDIT: fixed the quote order

So you guys don't think that we need a cop ?

The problem with calling out random townies to be guilty or not, is that he have pulled two guilties already. If he was really trying to fool us as a cop if he was a mafia, this is rather risky move and mafia hates taking risks. Mashley have taken two risky moves as a maifa so far, which were the cop claim on D2 for no apperant reason + not knowing if there is a cop or not. 2) he called out a motivator and another guilty result.

I am actually much more confident in my vote on Mash now that the Motivator is still not around. pies why didn't you address that at all in your analysispost?

While we wait for Mashley to flip and tell us who is scum out of Lybydose, Wojjan and Rantai, let's see what else we can figure out.

I think LadySuburu is confirmed town with that bulletproof business (and when he's this quiet early on he's usually town.) Rolled is probably town as well, as that explains the two attempted night kills N1, and then only one N2. KRZY, have you been using your ability to talk to people? If he has someone can probably verify him as well, unless they're actually scumbuddies or something (unlikely IMO).

On the flip side nobody strikes me as obvscum at the moment (except possibly Mashley). I would also FoS foulcoon and fishie, for trying to protect Mashley and also for both voting Salvage day 1. But that can wait until we're finished dealing with Mashley's role and results.

Wojjan wrote:

I am actually much more confident in my vote on Mash now that the Motivator is still not around. pies why didn't you address that at all in your analysispost?

oh oops, I had an explanation for that but closed the window before I posted it, and then forgot to put it = =

Perhaps a weak motivator acts 1.5 days in advance, and he targets during the day. When Lilac and I put a motivator, he acted one day in advance. Perhaps the "weak" was because it took longer.

But weak means they can't target a mafia without dying, not a delay in action.

Unless we're using non standard modifiers now.

From memory, Motivators actually don't have delays. I originally planned it not to have a delay but we put one in for some strange reason.

Goddamnit.

akrolsmir wrote:

(and when he's this quiet early on he's usually town.)

I wouldn't believe any metagaming inference as a guarantee for townieness. It's more likely for scum to fake their moves as meta-town than town to fake their moves as meta-scum.

pieguy wrote:

Perhaps a weak motivator acts 1.5 days in advance, and he targets during the day. When Lilac and I put a motivator, he acted one day in advance. Perhaps the "weak" was because it took longer.

A sound explanation, although a delay doesn't sound like a sign of weakness. Late, slow or molasses would have fit better.
Plus, DxS died, D1, by a lynch, and his/her power shows up N2 is damn weird of a case.

Back to Swift, We can see he really had a cop power so there's still an issue about two cops. Most likely the uncertainty of his role was because of the way he died or something.
Oh wait. That's how they die in Persona 4, how could I not have noticed.
So we still have the dillemma of 3 results. Who to kill? or something.

VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (5) - Wojjan, Rantai, akrolsmir, KRZY, tastelikecoke
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Rantai (1) - fishie

Not Voting (8) - LunaticMara, Lilac, Rolled, Mashley, foulcoon, bmin11, LadySuburu, Lybydose
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Still looking for replacement for Rolled

pieguy if you don't move your vote from lybydose to rantai, I'm going to kill you tonight

oh and vote: Rantai

and if pieguy does move it, I'm going to kill you KRZY

it'd be hard for you to kill pieguy if you have Rolled's role, considering he already failed to killed mafia on night one.

or so he claimed

I'm well aware of everything rolled said thx

So you want Rantai dead, but you're not considering shooting him... coupled with the fact that there's only been one kill last night, I get the feeling that you're lying to us now about still being able to nk.

More importantly, you think lynching Mashley is a bad idea?

oh no, I think lynching mashley is a great idea for mafia

so you go right ahead and do that akrolsmir

... care to explain why?

no

game just got significantly more interesting lol

Oh welcome Two.

Already trying to coerce people into voting me... (what for again?)

cause you already had one vote

Ahh ok.

What's your opinion on this whole sane/cop/Mashley situation?

Uh, welcome Two.
...

Two wrote:

no

unless you explain any of your logic, nothing about your actions will help town, whether you are confirmed town or not.

I am inherently a boon to town

you on the otherhand are not

and it's made worse by you voting for a cop gj

and there goes Two being reasonable as always.

Seriously though, if you think Mashley is a legitimate cop in spite of the evidence against that, explaining why is more likely to get us to agree with you than threatening us.

This isn't really going anywhere.. :/

Also some people need a prod, it seems.

Lol Two, you so crazy. (thanks though)

akrolsmir wrote:

Seriously though, if you think Mashley is a legitimate cop in spite of the evidence against that, explaining why is more likely to get us to agree with you than threatening us.

I don't have to provide evidence

if you were named as guilty and don't roleclaim, you are guilty

Mashley wrote:

Lol Two, you so crazy. (thanks though)

ssssssssssssssssssscummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Two is amazing.

I'm just sayin'.

I'm targeting Two tonight.

If I end up dead, you know what that means.

KRZY wrote:

I'm targeting Two tonight.

If I end up dead, you know what that means.

It means the mafia killed Two.

or

Two wrote:

and if pieguy does move it, I'm going to kill you KRZY

or

Two is mafia.

So I guess it could be anything.

mod: votecount please?

Now that I think about it more, assuming a cop is insane is not such a good idea IMO. There's 15 people left, of which I can assume 5/19 mafia at most, so we're at 5/10. If we mislynch, we'll have 4/7 two days from now, and if not we'll have 3/8 two days from now and one confirmed town.

Meanwhile, if we mislynch Lyby we'll be at 3/6 three days from now, and if not we'll be at 4/9 one day from now and have two confirmed town. Looking at these options, the situation of assuming Mashley is sane seems safer IMO.

I just want to make sure I don't hammer Rantai, seeing as I think he has the most votes by a mile anyway.

uh you have no chance of doing that

the vote count should be me fishie and you voting for mafia and wojjan rantai tastelikecoke krzy and someone else voting for cop

Oh lmao, I got Rantai confused with Mashley. Sorry

unvote, vote Rantai

Two wrote:

the vote count should be me fishie and you voting for mafia and wojjan rantai tastelikecoke krzy and someone else voting for cop

ooooh scumpaint me harder
yessss right there that's the spot

uh that was directed at lybydose but nice projection

I kinda lost track. So are you saying Mashley is a genuine cop who got a genuine motivation last night?
Don't you find that a little bit unlikely?

oh but then insane or whatever sure slap a sanity on it

Two wrote:

I don't have to provide evidence

if you were named as guilty and don't roleclaim, you are guilty

That... is evidence. Or at least some reasoning on your part, it does help me make a decision.

The last time you persuaded everyone to vote for Rantai it didn't work out so well for us... but I guess I'll listen to you this time. unvote, vote: Rantai. Now it's 4-4 for Mashley and Rantai.

If he flips town, I won't know whether to lynch you, Lybydose or Mashley.

By that token you're saying Wojjan is scum too? (both got a guilty)

As I've said before a mislynch here is going to end up in wasting another day trying to verify his sanity. If you really want to take a shot at his sanity via lynch, voting Lybydose makes much more sense seeing as (I assume others may think this too) he is possibly insane.

But ugh you guys are way too easily swayed, Roleclaim: Battle Tactician

Looking at my role pm I'm very clearly Welkin Gunther (Valkyria Chronicles) and can tell someone to redirect their action at someone else because I am a brilliant leader.

Extra info, back on day 2 (N1) I redirect adam to LS. When LS claimed to be hit and Swift claimed adam was mafia, that was more than enough evidence to not question his results (I think I hinted about my night action somewhere). Last night I redirected Wojjan to bmin.

the actions you claim to have done are solely involved with mafia and suspected mafia, you know

If he flips town, I won't know whether to lynch you, Lybydose or Mashley.

I laughed

I would really like to lynch pieguy, who is game?

That was my intention when targeting, Two.

I want to redirect a Mafia night kill back at them.

it's convenient regardless

I understand your suspicion there, I got lucky redirecting the night kill on my first try.

But I will appeal with you here. If Mashley is a cop, then I know for certain that he is not sane.

Reiterating my last post, doesn't it make much more sense to lynch Lybydose if we're going to verify the results? Because if I get lynched and flip town we're no closer to figuring out who is what. People will be suspicious of you for a mislynch and Mashley will still be unverified as insane or not a cop. Not to mention that hitting 1 town 2 mafia in a row is much less likely than hitting 1 mafia and 2 town.

Rantai wrote:

Reiterating my last post, doesn't it make much more sense to lynch Lybydose if we're going to verify the results? Because if I get lynched and flip town we're no closer to figuring out who is what. People will be suspicious of you for a mislynch and Mashley will still be unverified as insane or not a cop.

No because then you'll just lynch me and I'll flip town and we'll be no closer to figuring out who is what. It works both ways you know.

...ookay, now I think I should rethink some things again. Mashley called out Wojjan and Rantai, who have both roleclaimed quite powerful roles. I definitely think Lybydose should roleclaim, because as it is the fact that Wojjan and Rantai both had something makes it more likely that Mashley was insane and they're telling the truth. Plus, Rantai's night action explains why he was so quick on the draw D2 (his first post and the second vote on adam). It's a bit hard to set something like that up if you're mafia because you have no way of knowing if that role already exists in the game or not, whereas if it is your role you know you're it.

However, meta plus this

Very rarely, a Redirector will, instead of redirecting all Night actions that targeted a specific player, redirect all Night actions performed by a specific player. This role is rare enough that there is no unique name given to this role.

(from mafiawiki redirector article)
further adds to the possibility that Rantai is actually mafia. If there were 5 mafia, having two cops would make quite a bit of sense. Plus, they could have set it up easily so that they targeted LS anyway and claimed that. There's also at best a 1/4 chance of adam actually being the one who performed the kill, and I assume it works this way because otherwise it would be an OP role for finding out who the mafia is (if targeted and the person redirected towards dies, that person is mafia).

I'm willing to say that Two is practically a confirmed town because Mashley killed someone N1, told everyone what his role was, and then only one person died N2, which fits with his role. If we suddenly get 2 kills per night again, though, we'll know something wrong. If we eliminate all mafia (I assume 5) and the game is still going on, then he might be a SK who didn't kill anyone the whole game, but that would be an insane strategy to do as SK so I'll disregard that for now.

A Mashley lynch is not so good because we'll mislynch at most one anyway, and we'll probably end up losing someone less powerful than a cop. For now, I think Lybydose should roleclaim, and if we do decide that Mashley is more likely to be sane, a Wojjan lynch would be better than a Rantai lynch due to the roles they claimed (but if he's mafia, we'll lynch Rantai anyway).

For now, I honestly have no idea whether Mashley is more likely to be sane or insane, but IMO Lybydose was acting rather suspicious and Rantai and Wojjan both have roleclaims, and there was already a cop, so it all adds up if he were insane as well. I'm not really used to dealing with insane cops though, and I'm bad at getting leads on players in big games. >.<//

Then again, we haven't had an insane cop yet, and it would be funny if Phoenix Wright of all people was insane...but I'm playing WIFOM with the mod now so I'll stop that

massclaim gogogo

what the hell IS Wojjan's role anyway? "oneshot timepause roleblocker", followed by "disregard that I confused another game"

I might as well claim because I have the most useless and boring role possible anyway. I mean there's no incentive for me to really DO anything.

I am a Player in the Reapers' Game. That's right, I chose Subarashiki Kono Sekai (The World Ends With You). I just have to survive until endgame.

if you want to win this we need to take a hard stance on this right now:

Two: Vigilante
Rantai: Redirector
Lybydose: Survivor
Mashley: Cop
Wojjan: ???
pieguy1372: ???
LunaticMara: ???
fishie: ???
Lilac: ???
foulcoon: ???
akrolsmir: ???
tastelikecoke: ???
KRZY: ???
bmin11: ???
LadySuburu: ???

the hard stance will be: roleclaim or be lynched

oh and for full disclosure I haven't read this thread at all~

I guess I'll start... roleclaim: Danmaku Dodger

My three games were Touhou 6, 7, and 8 (EoSD, PCB, and IN). I got Touhou 6 (Embodiment of Scarlet Devil). Apparently, I made it through EoSD with a bomb left, so when anyone tries to kill me during the night, I'll automatically deathbomb and save myself from all kill attempts on me that night.