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PyP Video Game Mafia [MAFIA+SURVIVOR] - Dr. Hitter Escapes!

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Lybydose
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He could still be lying or some sort of "ex-mafia" role (he got no indication of how old this note was), or a framer could still frame him in that manner.

Actually he's probably not some "ex-mafia" role else he would have mentioned it probably.

Fuck it, vote: adam

If adam turns up town, I'm not listening to any bullshit "I was insane/framed/whatever" out of wolf and voting him anyway.
Lybydose
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vote count is 7 on adam btw and it takes 9 to lynch
bmin11
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@Wolf
Actually, what were your picks for the game? The character's personality and it's history may help us getting any possible infos of your sanity (just like Pheonix who we really doubt he would be insane/paranoid/naive).
adam2046
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bmin11 wrote:

@Wolf
Actually, what were your picks for the game? The character's personality and it's history may help us getting any possible infos of your sanity (just like Pheonix who we really doubt he would be insane/paranoid/naive).
He did specifically say L.A Noire so I assume that it's because that's the only game that fits his role.
I have yet to play L.A Noire, but from my brother's descriptions of the missions: you play as a guy who is about justice and getting his man and stuff, but even if you know who the culprit is, in a few of the missions you have to tell the police chief what he wants to hear and arrest who he has personal bias against to get a good grade for the mission instead of arresting the actual culprit.
So it could go either way from what I've heard.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..so, what you're saying is, my sanity could be random? If that's the case...



...oh, god.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Well, assuming that my sanity is in fact random, I'd have roughly a 50-50 chance of getting a proper verdict on someone. But even then, that's pushing it quite a bit.
Lybydose
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Actually I didn't consider the possibility of a lyncher either. It would sort of make sense given bmin's description.
akrolsmir
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Well, assuming that my sanity is in fact random, I'd have roughly a 50-50 chance of getting a proper verdict on someone. But even then, that's pushing it quite a bit.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this, but if your sanity is in fact random, you are no more useful than a townie and your results should be ignored.

@Lybydose- who is a lyncher? I don't recall bmin accusing anyone of that.
FisHie_old
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So both of the investigations are unreliable...
Damn, we still would have a chance, but are we willing to take the risk ?
Unvote.
Lybydose
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akrolsmir wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Well, assuming that my sanity is in fact random, I'd have roughly a 50-50 chance of getting a proper verdict on someone. But even then, that's pushing it quite a bit.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this, but if your sanity is in fact random, you are no more useful than a townie and your results should be ignored.

@Lybydose- who is a lyncher? I don't recall bmin accusing anyone of that.
whoops, I meant adam's description of the game character, not bmin

As in, the guy has to arrest a specific person that the chief has bias against rather than the actual guilty person. Would make sense for a lyncher role.
Mashley
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'd have roughly a 50-50 chance of getting a proper verdict on someone. But even then, that's pushing it quite a bit.
Which would make it completely random and utterly useless.
Rantai
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adam2046 wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

@Wolf
Actually, what were your picks for the game? The character's personality and it's history may help us getting any possible infos of your sanity (just like Pheonix who we really doubt he would be insane/paranoid/naive).
He did specifically say L.A Noire so I assume that it's because that's the only game that fits his role.
I have yet to play L.A Noire, but from my brother's descriptions of the missions: you play as a guy who is about justice and getting his man and stuff, but even if you know who the culprit is, in a few of the missions you have to tell the police chief what he wants to hear and arrest who he has personal bias against to get a good grade for the mission instead of arresting the actual culprit.
So it could go either way from what I've heard.
Which missions specifically?

I leafed through a few overviews (half assedly) and couldn't see those situations. (Off topic but this game's story is actually quite interesting)

Overall he just seems to be a run-of-the-mill detective.
adam2046
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Rantai wrote:

Which missions specifically?
I'd actually have to play the game to find out.
Rantai
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Rantai
Ask your brother, if you'd be so kind.
adam2046
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Rantai wrote:

Ask your brother, if you'd be so kind.
That's a pain, so I just checked TV Tropes.
It seems to be in at least this one:
http://lanoire.wikia.com/wiki/The_Golden_Butterfly
http://www.gameshampoo.com/17212/noire- ... ong-person
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You know what?


I'm willing to test my statement. If I really have a sanity that gives off random results, how would I know D2? It's impossible.


So, with that said:


Currently, there are a total of four different sanity that I could be:

Sane, insane, paranoid, random

If I'm truly random, then I should come up with a result that will mess up the pattern shown in the later statements.

If I'm sane, everything I search will come out correct (excluding millers and traitors..and other misleading roles).

If I'm insane, everything I search will come out backwards.

If I'm paranoid, everything I search will come out guilty.




Like I said, the only way I can tell if I have a random sanity is if I get an unusual pattern, such as the following example:

Player 3 was found mafia. Lynch result: Mafia. Sanity: Sane, paranoid, random.
Player 8 was found innocent. Lynch result: Mafia. Sanity: Insane, naive, random.

With that second result, there is NO WAY I could have gone from the first set of results to the second set of results without having a random sanity!



With that said, I'm still keeping my vote.





Yes, I'm sure everyone's gonna hate me for this. BUT I WANT TO PROVE MY SANITY!
Mara
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Mara
Okay, I am little bit (read: heavily) tired - but I didn't get your idea. Can you... explain it other way?

Sorry for being baka.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Basically, I'm using a similar method to the Mini Dethy Mafia. Doing this will be a test of whether or not my sanity is in fact random.
Mara
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Mara
Ah, I think I am understanding now.
Rantai
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Rantai

adam2046 wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Ask your brother, if you'd be so kind.
That's a pain, so I just checked TV Tropes.
It seems to be in at least this one:
http://lanoire.wikia.com/wiki/The_Golden_Butterfly
http://www.gameshampoo.com/17212/noire- ... ong-person
Ahh alright. It's a bit of a stretch but I can't deny it's possible.

Vote stands though, for other reasons.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
:U

Prod Lilac

Last post: 7 days ago.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT:
Wojjan (6) - adam2046, Mashley, Rolled, LadySuburu, foulcoon, LunaticMara
adam2046 (6) - Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rantai, fishie, KRZY, akrolsmir, Lybydose

Not Voting (5) - Lilac, Wojjan, pieguy1372, tastelikecoke, bmin11

Prodded Lilac.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Hm, I am pretty sure that I unvoted but might as well...
Vote: adam2046.
tastelikecoke
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Mashley wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'd have roughly a 50-50 chance of getting a proper verdict on someone. But even then, that's pushing it quite a bit.
Which would make it completely random and utterly useless.
Well, if you want things to be a little less random, then we should analyze our lynch candidates more carefully.
Like you know, "Wojjan is 30% more scummier acting than adam in page 13!" or something.
Totally-insane random cops are rarely used in games except in Dethy, because essentially they are useless and just confusing. Dethy being a game of cops, a random cop would be an interesting twist.

Also, guys, you're relying too much on meta. People can act differently under different conditions.
Wojjan
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Am I voting adam yet? Yeah, vote: adam. If adam is maf btw, I'm not liking where that's putting Mashley.
btw Swift, your flavor confused us for a moment. You stated your target's destination. DID YOU MEAN TO TYPE YOUR TARGET DESTINATION? because judging from your role that makes a LOT more sense.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Actually:

LadySuburu wrote:

By the way guys, there's also another killing role out there. I was targeted for a kill last night but apperently I had a one-shot bulletproof I didn't know about. I was informed of the attempt, though.
If the mod hides something, it's a bastard mod. If my sanity is truly random, it would also mean that it is a bastard mod.


I have a hunch that this PyP is a bastard mod.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Wojjan wrote:

Am I voting adam yet? Yeah, vote: adam. If adam is maf btw, I'm not liking where that's putting Mashley.
btw Swift, your flavor confused us for a moment. You stated your target's destination. DID YOU MEAN TO TYPE YOUR TARGET DESTINATION? because judging from your role that makes a LOT more sense.
I went to the target's original location. Specifically, where he sleeps.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I have a hunch that this PyP is a bastard mod.
I think that's very unlikely...
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
What makes you say that? LS didn't know about the vest, and mods usually don't hide something from people unless it's a bastard mod.


If it's not a bastard mod, it's just bad, and I'm sure NH's intentions weren't to make this bad.
adam2046
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adam2046
I hope Swiftwolf learns something about reading comprehension this game.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Oh, believe me, I'm learning with every post.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Wow gosh I don't know who the mafia are.
You're such a bastard NoHItter.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Not that kind of bastard, Wojjan. I mean hiding parts of a role. Now, sanity, I can understand, but not random.
bmin11
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bmin11
Vote: Adam. I'm tired of thinking other cases now :|
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I personally find the start of today highly suspicious. adam voted Wojjan and then Mashley popped up with a cop result on Wojjan. (This doesn't make Mashley mafia, I think it's more likely that they framed Wojjan and were just waiting for an opportunity)

I'll just vote adam2046 and if he's town we can lynch Wojjan tomorrow >.<//
Mashley
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pieguy1372 wrote:

(This doesn't make Mashley mafia, I think it's more likely that they framed Wojjan and were just waiting for an opportunity)
Why would we want to frame him if we were town? Lynch Wojjan, seriously.
Lybydose
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fos pieguy
NoHitter
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That was the hammer guys.
It's Night 2 now.
Will edit in the flavor later.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT:
adam2046 (9) - Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rantai, fishie, KRZY, akrolsmir, Lybydose, Wojjan, bmin11, pieguy1372
Wojjan (6) - adam2046, Mashley, Rolled, LadySuburu, foulcoon, LunaticMara

Not Voting (2) - Lilac, tastelikecoke

adam2046 has been lynched.
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As Dr. Hitter was coming back from the town, he saw the group of characters fight over who to lynch.
There were two claimants of an investigative role. Both had a "guilty" on a different person.
The players were divided. Both wanted to lynch either of the guilty.

In the end, they had settled for adam2046. As he was about to be hanged though, he looked at the people voting for him.
He glanced once, then twice. A look of disappointment entered his face as he went for the noose.

adam2046 has been lynched. His alignment will be revealed the next day.

ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS TIME.
NoHitter
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It was 3AM already, but Dr. Hitter was still wide awake doing the final calibrations on his machine.
"Oh crap. I'm still missing some parts for this machine. Need to buy some tomorrow again."

But alas, Dr. Hitter had already taken caffeine pills and could not sleep. He decided to wander around the rooms of the characters.
He entered adam2046's room. Inside, he found a lone suitcase. After forcing the lock open, he discovered a notebook detailing adam2046's escapades with the Mafia, and his plan to leave the organization.

Apparently, adam2046 was a member of the Mafia, but was planning to transfer sides. The lynch yesterday was useless.
adam2046 - Mafia - Regretful Mafia - Conditional Saulus - Lynched Day 2

Dr. Hitter, still bored (and full of caffeine), decided to go outside. He immediately noticed that the weather was foggy. He remembered that the weather forecast did say that it would be foggy for the rest of the nights of the week.

Dr. Hitter continued to walk across the outsides of the building.
He noticed that a body was hanging on top of the antenna of the facility.

Upon approaching it, he discovered that it was Swiftwolf Yellowtail.
What was more odd was that he couldn't tell how he died or what was his alignment.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 2
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IT IS NOW DAY 3.
DEADLINE IS IN SEVEN DAYS.
WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO LYNCH.
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Lybydose
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get any info Mash?
Lybydose
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Another thing - I doubt adam knew who else was in the mafia. If he did, the role would have been completely broken upon his switch to the town.

vote: pieguy

Finishing the hammer on adam to stop any further discussion. This is especially suspicious because Swiftwolf was considering a plan to determine his sanity, but had not yet unvoted himself. A hammer on adam prevents Swiftwolf from unvoting and having the bandwagon potentially swap to someone else (like Wojjan).
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
vote: Lybydose

You spent a lot of effort defending adam; your vote for him was clearly reluctant. In particular:

adam has the habit of doing exactly what he's doing right now when he's town and a bandwagon forms on him.
Anyways, I find the act of defending (versus scumhunting) to be much more suspicious, especially as you obviously weren't masons or something.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
We need you, Mashley!
Mara
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Mara
Mashley, results?
Lilac
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Lilac
Why don't you make your own bloody conclusions first?
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FisHie_old
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Wojjan wrote:

Blinx The Time Sweeper. One-shot timepause roleblocker. Both unused.
So.. What exactly can you do ?
Lilac
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I only edited to make something more representable to what I mean.
Mara
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Mara

Lilac wrote:

Why don't you make your own bloody conclusions first?
Because I am a dumbass, that's why.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
If anybody cares, I still have my eyes on Wojjan and pieguy1372.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Post something, Rantai.
Rantai
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What's to post?

Apart from being completely undecided now as to whether Wojjan is mafia or not. I am waiting for Mashley to post his 'result' to see where to go from there.

Also was anyone roleblocked last night?
tastelikecoke
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tastelikecoke
Now we don't know if Swiftwolf Yellowtail is sane, nor if he's a cop at all.

Not sure if adam's lynch is as useless as the flavor said. The switching sides, I mean, he didn't even dash a roleclaim that he's a regretful mafia and that we could still work it out. It wouldn't also make much win-condition sense. So he doesn't win with scum? Or he wins with scum but can win with town?
Rantai
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Then again Swift did find a note saying that adam was "regretting joining the mafia" or some such. I think it's safe to assume that he was sane and a detective of sorts (makes sense for his game choice)

On the topic of knowing the other mafia, that'd be crazy for him to know who they were and be town at the same time. Somehow I doubt he knew... but that doesn't explain why he attempted the kill the other night.
Mashley
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I was motivated last night so I got to make two investigations. :D
Got a not guilty result on Lybydose and a guilty (!!!) result on Rantai.
Rantai
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Rantai
Sooo that means you're an insane cop then?

Guess Wojjan was telling the truth.

Going by that then Lybydose is actually mafia, or Mashley is a liar.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Vote: Mashley until you get yourself a motivator to back it up. This entire stink reeks of "okay but now I have two results so you can lynch either one of them regardless of doubting my sanity" and with adam flipping mafia you're looking even less like a cop to me.
Rantai
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Rantai
Dead:
12. DeathxShinigami - Super Mario Bros. - Mushroom Giver - Weak Motivator - Lynched Day 1

Uhh

Something doesn't add up at all.
Wojjan
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Rantai wrote:

Dead:
12. DeathxShinigami - Super Mario Bros. - Mushroom Giver - Weak Motivator - Lynched Day 1

Uhh

Something doesn't add up at all.
lol

a shame I'm already voting mash or i'd vote mash
FisHie_old
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Quite unlikely that there would be multiple motivators but I guess that there's a chance.
Not gonna vote anyone for the time being.
Rantai
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Now, Mashley. Before I vote you, I will wait for another motivator to claim, just in case.

But really I highly doubt there are 2 motivators this game.
FisHie_old
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fishie wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Blinx The Time Sweeper. One-shot timepause roleblocker. Both unused.
So.. What exactly can you do ?
Rantai
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Um, 1 shot roleblocker, if I had to hazard a guess.

XD
FisHie_old
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Hm, KRZY probably has something cool to say.
I'll wait for him too.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Rantai, I want Wojjan to explain it to me, just to be sure.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
The both was a typo I believe we've been over this

also imo second motivator is a scumclaim waiting to happen. There is just no way you can have two motivators and a balanced setup: one of them in Touhou PYP was already so overpowered it led to like five confirmed towns.
Rantai
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Oh damn it Wojjan, I wanted to see if the 'second motivator' would claim so we could out another mafia :<

Oh well, Vote: Mashley
Wojjan
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stop buddyin.
Rantai
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Rantai
Completely unintentional.
Mashley
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Mashley
It's entirely possible I got motivated by some other means. Don't ask me how, but it happened.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Oh okay now I believe you. unvote

















Vote: Mashley
akrolsmir
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So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.
Rantai
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Unless he flips cop but turns out to be insane, which is a very likely possibility.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.
Wojjan
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akrolsmir wrote:

So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.

akrolsmir wrote:

Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.
Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?
Wojjan
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EBWOP: countering the "but then y arnet u voting akro?? lol" argument: I'm still totally down on Mashley lynch.
Lybydose
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akrolsmir, your logic makes zero sense.

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".

If Mashley turns out to be insane, how could that possibly make me mafia? That would make me TOWN.

oh and vote: Mashley cause I'm not mafia dawg
Lybydose
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wait goddamnit I misread, disregard 2nd half of above post, Mashley said "not guilty"

damnit I hate that term over "innocent"

unvote
akrolsmir
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Lybydose wrote:

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".
Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia. Or you might not have known he was a saulus- I get the feeling that's not something one mafia would tell another.

I don't understand what Wojjan's accusing me of, but my reasoning is that Mashley is likely scum, and any way he flips we're netting two mafia. (And nobody seems to agree with me about Lybydose.)
Lybydose
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akrolsmir wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

If I was mafia, why would I defend a "reluctant mafia who is going to leave the mafia and become town".
Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia. Or you might not have known he was a saulus- I get the feeling that's not something one mafia would tell another.
That doesn't make any sense, his condition to swap to town obviously has nothing to do with being lynched, considering he was still mafia when he died. Why would "preventing him from being lynched" stop him from converting to town?

Furthermore, remember what I said at the start of the day? There is no possible way adam had access to scum chat. If he did, the game setup would be completely broken, and I highly doubt NoHItter would completely break the setup like that.

Lynching adam was clearly a bad move for the town, as it led to a "future town" dying and gave us no insight as to what the hell was going on between Wojjan and Mashley. As in, had we lynched Wojjan, we could have gained information. You're basically trying to lynch me here for being reluctant to go with a plan that was not in the town's best interests. Who's the scummy one here, is it me, or is it you?

If Mashley does end up being scum, how exactly does that give us two scum? Who's the second one, me? You realize that a mafia fake-claiming cop can pick a townie, call him out as innocent, and then lead everyone to believe he's trying to "clear scum partners" when he dies.
Wojjan
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Wojjan wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

So Swift was clearly a sane cop- he correctly got down both the flavor and alignment of adam. I'm going to unvote, vote Mashley then.

If he flips scum, then Lybydose is probably mafia as well- based on what I said earlier about defending adam and the fact that Mashley tried to clear him.

Otherwise, we'll know that Rantai and Wojjan are scum.

akrolsmir wrote:

Another way Lybydose could be scum I suppose.
Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?
My point here is that for some reason you raise the possibility of Mashley being scum (and through your logic Lyby being scum by extension (not sure how that works yet)) or Mashley being a cop, and Me+Rantai being guilty and thus scum. You completely ignore the fact that Mash has two guilties in a row, and i's starting to seem pretty probable that he's an insane cop, based solely on his results.

If that would be the case, Mash would essentially have a guilty on the person you suspect the most. Why do you assume, if Mash flips town, that Lyby has to be town and me and Rantai mafs?

Sounds like some halfhearted, preemptive distancing there.
Lybydose
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akrolsmir wrote:

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia.
oh another thing. You seem to know exactly what causes adam to switch over to town. Tell me, why would a townie know that?

hint: they wouldn't
Wojjan
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Lybydose wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

Because preventing him from being lynched would mean that he stays mafia.
oh another thing. You seem to know exactly what causes adam to switch over to town. Tell me, why would a townie know that?

hint: they wouldn't
spoiler: it's called speculation
Lybydose
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That's some pretty horrible speculation. Obviously he's going to switch over to town if he remains unlynched (and you know, still living), otherwise the role would have no point.
KRZY
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Oh btw I did not target anyone N2.

Vote: Mashley
Rolled
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Asking for replacement.

Can't keep up with this :(

good luck town
LadySuburu
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At this point I'm leaning towards a mashley lynch as well, since I doubt both the existance of a second motivator and the two guilties seem unlikely.
akrolsmir
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@Wojjan- I'm open to believing that Mashley could be an insane cop- his sanity should be revealed upon death. I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of me- to vote for Lybydose based on that supposition?

@Lybydose- Are you saying: "We could have had adam convert to our side, thus lynching him was wrong and I was right to defend him?"

If you knew his role beforehand then it's obvious you're scum. That's information no townie had access to. Swift may have received some hints regarding it but no one had pieced it together to understand he was a saulus. Even if you had, there would be no way of knowing that the trigger for his conversion was not his death.
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If you were mafia, but did not know of adam's role:
You would have tried to protect him from being lynched especially since there was a wagon on Wojjan, if you could have persuaded more people to vote that way then a mafia member stays alive.

If you were mafia and did know of adam's role:
I have no idea what the conditions were for him to become town, but I think you assumed it was to be killed/lynched- that's the way it generally works, at least according to MafiaWiki. Acting under this belief, you would have wanted to prevent him from turning by preventing his lynch; it's just a lucky accident for you, then, that this particular death wasn't the trigger for his conversion.

I'm saying that defending adam would have been consistent with the interests of scum. I'll concede it's possible you were just misguided but that argument would fail to deter me from suspecting you.
Lybydose
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No, I was reluctant to lynch adam because:

1. I didn't fully believe Swiftwolf's role was a completely sane cop
2. Even under the situation that Swiftwolf was a sane cop, the "note" he found led me to believe that there was more to his role than "har har I'm mafia"
3. People were voting for adam over Wojjan because adam's defense "sucked", even though it's the exact same thing he does every game that he's town. Meanwhile, Wojjan's defense (which actually DID suck) was just "oh yeah there could have been these other roles".

Whatever.

vote: Mashley so he can turn up town and clear me, because otherwise no one will believe anything until Mashley is dead apparently.
Lybydose
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If you were mafia, but did not know of adam's role:
You would have tried to protect him from being lynched especially since there was a wagon on Wojjan, if you could have persuaded more people to vote that way then a mafia member stays alive.
Also this makes zero sense. If I was mafia and didn't know his role (in other words, he'd be town in my eyes), then how could I possibly know to protect him to keep a mafia member alive?

I'll say this again: there is ZERO chance adam knew who else was in the mafia, therefore, he didn't have access to scum chat. You can't conclude anything based on who he protects or who protects him. This isn't me claiming mafia and saying this because "I know it's true", this is me stating that in the interests of game balance, you CANNOT give a town player (or "converted to town later" player) the scum list.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT:
Mashley (5) - Wojjan, Rantai, akrolsmir, KRZY, Lybydose

Not Voting (10) - LunaticMara, fishie, Lilac, Rolled, Mashley, pieguy1372, foulcoon, tastelikecoke, bmin11, LadySuburu
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tastelikecoke
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Mashley better explain how he got that motivation.

Wojjan wrote:

Weren't you voting Lyby? Wouldn't you think a guilty on your lynch suggestion would be much more likely than two guilties in a row?
So basically, two copped scum is less likely to happen that 1 copped scum, therefore Mash is insane?
So cops are almost impossible to have 2 guilty results eh?

On the other hand, now with three data sets, urr, It's still not clear if Mashley's insane or sane, or scum. This makes me largely doubtful that Swift and Mashley coexist as cops and that Mashley got motivated after DxS's death. Quite lurky too. Amd there's also the two guilty results problem.
I haven't voted in the past days, so I'mma wagon on this one:
Vote: Mashley
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tastelikecoke wrote:

Mashley better explain how he got that motivation.
Hey, how should I know? I just got told about the change to my ability, and not how it happened. I guess lynch is the only way you'll believe my results.
foulcoon
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Hi apparently I've been prodded while I was posting.

Basically I don't have much else to add on to what other people have said. It is pretty difficult to believe that Mashley was motivated, especially because there was already one motivator.

Then again, he claimed pretty early on and took a risk in doing so, something I think mafia would have a hard time pulling off so early in the game. I guess we'll see as its pretty clear he will probably be lynched. I just know we're in good shape if he turns up to be legit. The only negative is we don't know for certain his sanity either way. I feel like it may be more beneficial to lynch one of his guilty results first.

Let me know what you guys think.
bmin11
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Responding to Prod and honestly, I'm in lost in WIFOMs. tbh I found Mashley roleclaiming on D2 was a weird move for a cop and for a mafia. Cop would have to wish there would be a protection role (and wish there aren't any Strongmans or Roleblockers) and for mafia, it's pretty a bold move as we'll probably end up lynching Mashley the next day. This would be the equivalent to trading one town (not even sure what kind of aux role is) for a mafia member. Atleast it's a risking a mafia member. It's something I have never seen and never thought of when I played as a mafia tbh.

I'm leaning more of an Insane Cop even though it's really hard to expect Phoenix to be insane. Maybe because he is a defense attorney? idk
Therefore, I'm willing to lynch one from the Innocent Result Mashley got, which is Lyby. It's hard to believe there could be a double cop, but if we look at the N2 result, we got ???????? from Swiftwolf. NoHItter may have tried to pull off a Miller + Cop role to hinder it. I think it is possible to have another cop

Motivator is something I'm having trouble with forming an opinion. It's full of WIFOM if I try to imagine any kinds of restriction or a time period for it's ability to work so it fits to the results we are getting. Just ruleing out the possibility is the easiest and the most believeable case to me. Just one question is why is Mashley bringing up the motivator into this if he is mafia? WIFOM WIFOM



P.S. Pretty much the same as foulcoon posted before me >_>... (just updated the thread before posting
foulcoon
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Stemming off what you just said about Phoenix Wright. Insane cop doesn't really make sense for the video game choice. Maybe a naive cop (a defense attorney would want Innocent verdicts), but not an insane cop.
LadySuburu
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foulcoon wrote:

Stemming off what you just said about Phoenix Wright. Insane cop doesn't really make sense for the video game choice.
Spoilers just in case.

SPOILER
Be sure you don't mind being potentially spoilered.

There's a certain scenario in the game where the bad guy is forcing him to give a certain verdict at risk of the life of one of Phoenix's friends or something. I haven't played it but I did watch it a while back. With that being true, insane could be an option with that kind of flavor. Someone who has played Phoenix might want to comment more on it though, because my memory isn't the clearest and I didn't actually play the game.
Rantai
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If he is an insane cop then Lybydose should be mafia. If we lynch Lybydose and he flips town, then Mashley is sane or he isn't a cop at all.

But to verify that we'll need to lynch Wojjan or I which I believe are not mafia.

I don't know, Mashley being lynched is at least guaranteed information.
FisHie_old
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Vote: Mashley

I really hope that this is worth it.
Lilac
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To further elaborate the LS's point, it's true that it did happen. What's more concerning, however, is that it is really the only case that I cam think of in which Phoenix is pressured to do that.

In the end, he found him genuinely guilty and it was happy days. It's been a LONG time since I played it.
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