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bmin11

Rolled wrote:

Bmin, for hopping in Two's back pocket with no reasoning of his own.
I was ninja'd by a minute difference. I just didn't find getting ninja'd would be a good reason to unvote right away even though it would look like a bandwagon vote.

Anyway, sorry for being away for awhile (and I'll again for next 4 hours or so). Political Lynch may sound bad, but for now I have no particular favour in lynching.


Editted for failed English
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Deadline is in 4:44 hours.

Votecount:

Quaraezha (6) - Wojjan, Two, Chris, Mashley, Salvage, KRZY
Kiddo-kun (2) - Lybydose, Backfire
Backfire (1) - JInxyjem
Salvage (1) - Rantai
JInxyjem (1) - Kiddo-kun
Lybydose (1) - animask
bmin11 (1) - Rolled

Not voting: Quaraezha, LadySuburu, akrolsmir, bmin11, Raging Bull

10 votes are required to lynch.
KRZY

pieguy1372 wrote:

Deadline is in 4:44 hours.

oooooooooooooh

oh wait you guys are westerners :P the number 4 has the same pronunciation as 'death' in Chinese or sth
Kiddo-Kun
Aaaaaand I'm back.

Everyone seem pretty normal in my book. I don't know why you guys are jumping at Q for. Did he not say he does not have any internet at home in the pas- WAAAAAIT! Why the fuck did you sign up then?
Rantai
Oh what?

Well at least I got up in a reasonable amount of time for once.

Anyway, a Q lynch now? Well I guess that makes more sense than a KRZY lynch at the moment unless he has something to say within the next 4 hours.

Also hi Backfire~
akrolsmir

KRZY wrote:

oooooooooooooh

oh wait you guys are westerners :P the number 4 has the same pronunciation as 'death' in Chinese or sth
Japanese too. Or so I heard.

Fos: last 3 people voting Q especially if he flips town, which is likely IMO.

Vote: JInxyjem
Chris_old
who wants to bet kiddo doesn't post before d1 is over?

empty promises~
Lybydose
he did post

course he didn't post anything useful
Kiddo-Kun
I wanna take you up on that bet.
Oh look, I won.
Chris_old
yet you prove again you just refuse to post anything useful and have been here the whole time

you're keeping my vote for real now

unvote, vote Kiddo
Chris_old
^ notice how I said when you say peoples names they show up?

That's the second time Kiddo's done it.

they are lurking and just refusing to contribute
Chris_old
nevermind I just overreacted so hard

didn't even realize he posted 20 minutes before me gg

unvote~

post something useful thx
Chris_old
ok quad post but whatever

vote: Kiddo

you've had time to say something contructive
Rolled
vote chris for being retarded























unvote
vote bmin
Chris_old
why throw away your vote on someone you know isn't possible to lynch
Rolled
I find bmin more suspicious than any lurker.
Chris_old
that's not what I asked you~
Rolled
I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for anybody else when bmin is the most suspicious in my mind.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Deadline is in 1:17 hours.

Votecount:

Quaraezha (5) - Wojjan, Two, Mashley, Salvage, KRZY
Kiddo-kun (3) - Lybydose, Backfire, Chris
JInxyjem (2) - Kiddo-kun, akrolsmir
Backfire (1) - JInxyjem
Salvage (1) - Rantai
Lybydose (1) - animask
bmin11 (1) - Rolled

Not voting: Quaraezha, LadySuburu, bmin11, Raging Bull

10 votes are required to lynch.
Raging Bull
So uh when it's night time we don't post right? And how long is night time?
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Night lasts 24 hours, and you can't post in the thread.
Two_old
hurry and end the day
Chris_old

Two wrote:

hurry and end the day
pls vote kiddo they aren't posting hours after they said they got home

thx
Two_old
ok, unvote vote Kiddo-Kun
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Deadline is in 18 minutes.

Votecount:

Quaraezha (4) - Wojjan, Mashley, Salvage, KRZY
Kiddo-kun (4) - Lybydose, Backfire, Chris, Two
JInxyjem (2) - Kiddo-kun, akrolsmir
Backfire (1) - JInxyjem
Salvage (1) - Rantai
Lybydose (1) - animask
bmin11 (1) - Rolled

Not voting: Quaraezha, LadySuburu, bmin11, Raging Bull

10 votes are required to lynch. Note that Quaraezha is ahead of Kiddo-kun even though they're tied!
Topic Starter
pieguyn
day 1 is now over

Lynch scene coming in a few minutes.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Hakurei Shrine

It was the first day of the Hakurei Barrier breaking. Everyone who was there casted their vote on who was most likely to break the barrier...However, it seems everyone thought that Kirisame Marisa was the one. I mean, she causes trouble and all, especially stealing stuff and not returning them. (Most people don't know why, it's a pretty legit reason too.)

"No way I could break the barrier, ze!" yelled Marisa. "Why would I break the barrier which holds Gensokyo? That's absurd."

They didn't care. She had to go.

For this occasion, they called upon Okuu. After all, she was quite adept at burning,, and otherwise destroying, things. She readied her arm cannon, and counted down: 3, 2, 1...

Quaraezha - Kirisame Marisa (Town Lover+1-shot Strongman) - Lynched D1

Later, a few people noticed that Alice Margatroid was missing as well. Everyone then decided to search for Alice. Eventually, they reached her house, and when they opened the door they found something shocking. Alice was hanging from a rope attached to the ceiling, with a note on the floor. Further inspection revealed it to be a suicide note.

animask - Alice Margatroid (Mafia Lover) - role-required death D1

It is now Night 1. Please send all night actions to either me or Lilac within 24 hours. All actions are resolved using this order: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Resolution
Quaraezha
whoops :V
Sleep Powder
As long as nobody finds my secret stash of gunpowder. I've been smoking that for years! Oh wait--
Topic Starter
pieguyn
When everyone awakened, they immediately noticed that something was wrong. Not only was Murasa Minamitsu missing, but someone else was missing as well. The second missing person, Patchouli Knowledge, was rather natural, because she mostly just hides away in her library anyway. However, everyone could sense that something bad had happened to her too.

Everyone tracked down Murasa's Palanquin Ship, where they figured they would have the best chance at finding Murasa. When they finally found it, it seemed to have been broken into. They entered and found Murasa dead, as if she had just fainted. After more searching, they also found Patchouli, who was hidden in a dark corner of the ship. She appeared to have been killed the same way Murasa was.

Two - Murasa Minamitsu (Bus Driver) - Nightkilled N1
Mashley - Patchouli Knowledge (Hider) - Nightkilled N1

It is now Day 2. The deadline is Tuesday, 05:11 GMT.
Salvage
oookay so we're back to stage 1 , results KRZY? ..
Lybydose
ok so what the hell is a town strongman
akrolsmir
Sheer genius, Two. I'm guessing he swapped himself and someone else as part of his secret plan, and that person ended up getting targeted for the nk.

Town strongman = 1-shot vig strongman?

HoS: Raging Bull

He does make posts; none of them have any information at all. His votes consist of a RV and a bandwagon. It seems to me that he's avoiding analysis because he doesn't need to find out who scum are. He claims to have played before so the newbie card doesn't work.

Most noticeably, though, he makes a post an hour before the deadline and yet completely neglects to vote. Instead he pauses to find out how long of a night he has, presumably to decide on his night action.

Tell me, what were you doing last night?
Lybydose
Bus drivers generally can't swap themselves, so I doubt he could have done something like that.

Still, if he was able to do so, KRZY's results would show that Two was bus driven.
akrolsmir
It depends on how pieguy set it up:

MafiaWiki wrote:

Many, but not all, moderators do not allow Bus Drivers to self-target
Anyways, that was the best explanation I could come up with for Two's insistence that he would not be shot given his role. Alternatively, he may have been trying to claim night immunity to prevent people from trying to nk him, but either way it didn't work out.
bmin11
I really doubt Two bus driven himself because Mashley's target would have swapped as well (unless Hider takes over Bus Driver priority wise).
Lybydose

pieguy1372 wrote:

Hiding takes priority over busdriving. Hiders cannot be roleblocked, but bus drivers can.
FoS: bmin11, not reading the thread
bmin11

bmin11 wrote:

(unless Hider takes over Bus Driver priority wise).
Yes I thought I was missing something.
Lybydose
screw it, FoS is useless

vote: bmin11
akrolsmir

Lybydose wrote:

screw it, FoS is useless
Good point Vote: Raging Bull.

I'll let bmin off because I had overlooked pieguy's statement myself.
Lybydose
ok so KRZY was reading this thread but didn't say anything, despite supposedly being an aux role that could have useful information.

It takes less than 1 minute to repeat results from the night. Why no post?

unvote, vote: KRZY
KRZY

Lybydose wrote:

ok so KRZY was reading this thread but didn't say anything, despite supposedly being an aux role that could have useful information.

It takes less than 1 minute to repeat results from the night. Why no post?

unvote, vote: KRZY

LoL game started. Just died now so quickly copypastaing


"Two was tracked, killed, motivated, watched, and hidden behind

You also notice that Mashley was tracked, killed, motivated, and watched."
Lybydose
ok then

unvote
Jinxy

KRZY wrote:

"Two was tracked, killed, motivated, watched, and hidden behind

You also notice that Mashley was tracked, killed, motivated, and watched."
Well then, now all we need is a watcher to correlate the names.
bmin11
What's motivated? and the watcher would not be able to figure which one was the actual killer. Naming everyone may result in several lose in aux roles if we miss lynch or two. Should we still ask for the result?
bmin11
Actually, nvm about the motivated bit. I understand what it is now (sorry for being such an ESL)
Lybydose
If the watcher results are revealed, the following would happen:

Watcher would have 5 names:

Mashley
Himself
Tracker
Motivator
Mafia

This would obviously expose the tracker and motivator. On the other hand, it also confirms four people (KRZY, watcher, tracker, motivator) as town and one person as mafia.

It's unlikely there would be a mislynch. First off, the the mafia can't really fakeclaim his way out of it. If he doesn't claim at all or claims something different, he's obviously mafia. If he claims watcher or tracker, it would be a duplicate claim of the real person, so we'd have it narrowed down to 50%. However, these roles could be easily confirmed the next night, so it would be best not to lynch either one until the next day. Under this scenario, it's likely the mafia would kill the watcher at night because he is the most powerful of the listed roles.

The alternative is to have no one claim and risk the watcher being randomly killed before revealing any information. On the other hand, it would allow the watcher to possibly gather more results while hidden, but tracker and watcher are both difficult roles to actually get useful results out of through luck.
Lybydose
Ultimately I suppose it's up to the watcher as to whether he wants to claim or not. He's the most likely to die if this goes through.
KRZY
Really difficult :S
akrolsmir
Please tell me that's not an actual copypaste btw.
KRZY

akrolsmir wrote:

Please tell me that's not an actual copypaste btw.
?
Lybydose
oh right the watcher would have a 6th name - KRZY
Raging Bull
I didn't vote for anyone specifically because I didn't want to hop on any bandwagon without any actual proof yet. And I only wanted to make sure we don't post in the thread during the night phase.
akrolsmir

KRZY wrote:

akrolsmir wrote:

Please tell me that's not an actual copypaste btw.
?
At least getting modkilled will verify that you're not lying about being a voyeur I guess :roll: .
Lybydose
he's not lying
akrolsmir
yeah yeah the point is I hope the mod lets him get off with a warning.
KRZY

akrolsmir wrote:

yeah yeah the point is I hope the mod lets him get off with a warning.
oh i can assure you, what i posted is not what it said on my night PM word for word.

pieguy can confirm.

of course, it contains all the same info.
Jinxy
The thing says "Quote", I think it means literally using the quote tags
akrolsmir
ok then, back to lynching scum while the watcher makes up his/her mind about claiming.

Raging Bull wrote:

I didn't vote for anyone specifically because I didn't want to hop on any bandwagon without any actual proof yet.
Because voting for KRZY totally wasn't bandwagoning right?

Also, so many of your posts are like this, "Don't know what to say", "Not much to say". I get the feeling that you're scum looking to get by without contributing.

Keeping my vote where it is.
Rantai
Wow really, bus driver was the "I won't die" guarantee?

Sigh.

Actually I think I agree with Lybydose's watcher claim idea. Assuming there are 4 mafia this game and there seemed to be no serial killers, confirming another mafia would be a very beneficial thing at the moment. We already have a confirmed voyeur and if I am not mistaken the tracker and the watcher will essentially give the same information unless we get some more public night action announcements (>.>).

From a practical viewpoint we stand to lose a (slightly?) redundant role in exchange for another mafia. No, I'm not ignoring the motivator, I just don't know how useful they are.

Also:

Vote: Salvage - I'm not allowing self doubt to hinder me again until something proves otherwise.
Raging Bull
Oh whoops about that. I was trusting Two's judgement on that.

Well lets see. Yes I played SC2 mafia before but obviously the mechanics are different from this one. For one, I don't even know what RV was until I played this. I never encountered scum hunting in SC2. Maybe I'll admit I'm playing a lot more passively then most because that's how most played it in SC2. Also why don't you look at Backfire or Kiddo instead of only at me? You even see Kiddo lied about not being on so he didn't post in this thread. Okay so you want me to post what I think.

Well I was wondering why did we let Mashley hide with Two again? The mafia would have gotten a double kill (Like right now). Was someone suppose to protect Two?
Lybydose
No someone was supposed to watch Two.

Which worked out brilliantly - as we can see he was watched (and a whole lot of other stuff).
Rantai

Two wrote:

I'd rather keep the explanation as minimal as: trust me, you have nothing to worry about if you hide behind me.
Basically the controversy about that part of the day was the fact that Two was hinting at the fact he had a trick up his sleeve to avoid a night kill.

Not sure how you missed that.
Rantai
Oh yeah, as Lybydose said, he was meant to be watched too.
Raging Bull
So now all we need to do is wait for watcher to tell us the names KRZY saw?
Rantai
In my opinion it would help us figure out another mafia, but it's the watcher's call.
Lybydose
Yes. Here's what would happen:

1. Watcher gives us three names that aren't himself/KRZY/Mashley.

2. Those three people claim.

3. Two of them will have identical claims. This narrows down the mafia member to one of those two people.

4. I have a plan to determine which of those two is lying by directing night targets of known roles N2.

5. Lynch whoever was lying tomorrow.
Lybydose
Oh right I have an alternate plan:

1. No one claims

2. Watcher + KRZY + Motivator + Tracker all target the same person tonight. Preferably someone likely to be mafia.

3. If that person lives, the watcher claims and tells us which person from yesterday's result isn't on tonight's result, as that person is mafia.

4. If that person dies, we gain no information at all because the same three people show up again. Hence the "prefer to target mafia" in step 2.
akrolsmir
...posting what you think != asking questions whose answers are easily inferred by doing five seconds of reading.

Also I like your attempts to shift the focus from yourself, first onto other lurkers and then onto the watcher.

---

Lybydose's plans make sense I guess. There's no provision for who to lynch today, though. My proposal should be pretty clear.
Lybydose
Oh right, in the situation that we go with Plan A, no one except the watcher claim yet. It's best if we specify a claiming order after the names are revealed.
Raging Bull
Oh right because obviously having a whole different type of mafia game = understading all the aspects within an fast. I never even heard of the watcher role until reading the mafiascum wiki. I also like how you are so focused on me too. I gave you my defense. You can believe it if you will. At least I actually do post in this thread.
Lilac
Wassup, guys?

Votecount:

Raging Bull (1) - akrolsmir

Salvage (1) - Rantai

Sorry I didn't write up D2's death scene. It's still pretty cool though.
Jinxy
lybydose's plans make sense. I prefer Plan B since it would show less roles to the mafia. It's a lot riskier, though, since there's a chance for it to fail.
KRZY
I'd rather go with the first plan.

Accepting Rantai's assumption that there are four Mafia members, I think we can sacrifice one of the better auxes for a certain Mafia reveal. That'd be huge. I also trust Lyby to perform his trick N2, so for now I would like the watcher to claim and give us info.
Wojjan
so Lyby in what order do you suggest we roleclaim? Plan B sucks because the fact that Two got killed instead of being able to drive himself and a target seems to heavily imply that we got a roleblocker around. If any of the people don't show up in the list (or worse the people watching the target get blocked) we're pretty much screwed having no information other than possibly having boosted a mafia member.

You should be careful with how you throw those motivations around.
Jinxy
Wait, wouldn't the roleblock have been seen from KRZY's voyeuring?
Wojjan
maybe he is a MAFIA WATCHER!!!!!!!

good point, nvm then.
Backfire
Posting, just so it doesent seen like im lurking. I just dont have much to say. Not especially sure what you guys are really suggesting...then ahain I should prpbably just look up to see what a watcher does and it might make sense.
Backfire
Oh nevermind. I got it ;w;
Lybydose

Wojjan wrote:

so Lyby in what order do you suggest we roleclaim? Plan B sucks because the fact that Two got killed instead of being able to drive himself and a target seems to heavily imply that we got a roleblocker around. If any of the people don't show up in the list (or worse the people watching the target get blocked) we're pretty much screwed having no information other than possibly having boosted a mafia member.

You should be careful with how you throw those motivations around.
Watcher first, then ask the others to claim one at a time rather than all at once. The order isn't so important.
Lybydose

JInxyjem wrote:

Wait, wouldn't the roleblock have been seen from KRZY's voyeuring?
Right, KRZY would be able to detect the missing person. If KRZY were blocked there would be no missing person as the block was already used. The biggest problem with plan B is if the mafia just decides to kill our target too. Then we learn nothing and wasted a bunch of time.
Salvage
Plan A seems like the safer one to me , we already did a risky one D1 , not an option to do it again imo.
Chris_old
First off, wtf was Two's plan? I don't understand why he would try to bring Mashley down with him on a fake claim

I don't feel like exposing the Watcher is that great of an idea, because after they get NK'd we lose one of the important puzzle pieces.

Everyone who claims behind them is just going to get picked off one by one, and eventually there will be nobody left.

They should wait and gather more information before outright claiming, at least then we have a chance to catch more than a single Mafia member based on what they say.
Raging Bull
And what if they actually did get NK without telling us anything? Wouldn't that have been a waste?
Chris_old
Of course it would, but they're going to die regardless if they roleclaim.


Scenario 1:

Everyone involved roleclaims, they die every consecutive night until they're all dead.

Possibly lynch a town player hunting for Mafia - 50/50 chance.

Probably lynch a town player every day consecutively.
Scenario 2:

No one roleclaims, someone gets lynched/mafia kill a person tonight.

With 14 people, assuming there are 3 mafia left, that's 11 people they have to pick from. I doubt they're gonna pinpoint the Watcher in one night.

Roleclaim on D3 with possibly two Mafia names, and then use process of elimination to kill the last one off.


The only problem is guessing who's going to die.
Rantai
But then you have to hope the watcher targets who the mafia targets or he's basically completely useless too.

Unless you meant that with - The only problem is guessing who's going to die.
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

But then you have to hope the watcher targets who the mafia targets or he's basically completely useless too.

Unless you meant that with - The only problem is guessing who's going to die.
yeah

we have a Voyeur/Watcher/Tracker, all of them help increase the chances of figuring out who did what

if they all targeted different people (especially if the Tracker) it would be more wide spread on the information we gather.

that's basically 3 chances for town, 1 for mafia

makes sense to me
Rantai
Then again it's 3 people we won't mislynch giving us a greater chance to lynch a mafia, we won't have a chance to lose that information, we will probably get rid of another mafia (bringing the count to 2) and we will still have at least 1 of their information (which is luck based from here on in) for the next 2-3 days. Not to mention the other roles we may have.

Overall it seems the good outweighs the bad.
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Then again it's 3 people we won't mislynch giving us a greater chance to lynch a mafia, we won't have a chance to lose that information, we will probably get rid of another mafia (bringing the count to 2) and we will still have at least 1 of their information (which is luck based from here on in) for the next 2-3 days. Not to mention the other roles we may have.

Overall it seems the good outweighs the bad.
There is definitely a chance for a mislynch given option 1, you're pretty much guaranteed to kill one town to figure out who the mafia is.

If the Watcher does decide to claim it's just going to end badly, after you kill the mafia (today, but possibly tomorrow after lynching a roleclaimed town on accident), Watcher will die, then whoever else claimed the day after.

Is it really worth killing 3 town for 1 mafia? After they're all dead we'll have nothing to go on and we'll be back at D1.
Rantai
What state will we be in when we've lost another 2-4 town (assuming mislynchs, after 2 days)?

We'll be holding on to the hope that our informative roles don't get lynched or night killed.
Chris_old
As long as the mislynches aren't Watcher/Voyeur/Tracker we're always gonna be better off killing off other people. They are the most important roles in the game right now, and after they are gone we have absolutely nothing.

4 town for 2
3 town for 1

and even so, if they roleclaim tomorrow it's still possible to get 3-2 assuming we get the lynch right. (and one of the 3 watcher roles hits the NK target)
Rantai
I just can't agree, it's far too dependent on luck.
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

I just can't agree, it's far too dependent on luck.
After we kill the mafia member, what is your plan after that?

Unless someone has an awesome role and didn't target Two last night, pretty sure it's just going to be mislynch NK mislynch NK every day/night period.
Rantai
The hope here is that either; we have more than just those 3 auxs for information and we work on that or we use what information we can get before they die (chances are one of them will get some more information seeing as they already know who is going to be targeted by a mafia) and mount the lynches off that.

My question is what are we going to do if our auxs get lynched or night killed?
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

The hope here is that either; we have more than just those 3 auxs for information and we work on that or we use what information we can get before they die (chances are one of them will get some more information seeing as they already know who is going to be targeted by a mafia) and mount the lynches off that.

My question is what are we going to do if our auxs get lynched or night killed?
Obviously if a Watcher is about to get lynched he would roleclaim, just like anybody else. It's not like I'm telling them to just be quiet and don't say anything even when you're being voted for, just don't claim when you hardly have any information.

They are going to be night killed a lot sooner if they claim today than if they didn't, so I don't get what you're saying.
Rantai
Ok, fair enough on the lynch part.

What I'm trying to get at is if the watcher is NK'd tonight, we've just been shot in the foot with no information taken. I don't really like luck based plans.
Rantai
I think this is a case of guaranteed information vs a potential for more.
Salvage
If the watcher claims now and gives all the information it's 100% NK'ed next night , if he tries to stay quiet and get even more information that could be really usefull D3 or even D4 chances of him being killed are not big at all , and it could be more usefull .. yeah i think that's a better plan that the previous one.
KRZY
I'd like some more input on this.

Rolled, you've been quiet since N1. Any thoughts?
Rantai
Yep.

Hoping they get the right targets.

Hoping they live through the night.

It's down to if you are willing to take the risk of losing it all for more.
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