Votes all over the place = scum-huntingWojjan wrote:
yes, I want votes all over the place.
Random bandwagons help to kind out who is mafia too.
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Random bandwagons help to kind out who is mafia too.
Wow, and then animask just EXPLODES and STARTS MAKING SENSE instead of being scummy every day!animask wrote:
Votes all over the place = scum-huntingWojjan wrote:
yes, I want votes all over the place.
Random bandwagons help to kind out who is mafia too.
Wow!
Agreed with 0_o, vote JInxyjem
While I don't particularly like jinxyjem's post, Salvage's seems even worse. It's like he's deliberately trying to avoid having an opinion on anything and not vote.
vote: Salvage
vote: Salvage
At the same time, wojjan is bad for expecting RVs to stick around. I took all of the unvotes as "I expect some shit to go down today, let's remove this placeholder." Even though they were bandwagon unvotes.JInxyjem wrote:
Reading the wiki, RV is for pressuring scum into revealing actions,Sweet, mafiawiki is supporting my attempt at scumpainting wojjan
Vote: Wojjan
Need to start reading thread more, keep being late to the party. I have some large papers due early this week, so don't expect me incredibly active until around wednesday.
Lybydose wrote:
While I don't particularly like jinxyjem's post, Salvage's seems even worse. It's like he's deliberately trying to avoid having an opinion on anything and not vote.
vote: Salvage
I tried to understand this and failed .. i gave my opinion about everything , but i added that my opinion could not be that usefull right now cause i know nothing about touhou .. i'd recomend you to read my entire post before saying non-sense stuff.
Oh .. and
vote : Lybydose
I'm not trying to avoid any vote , i just wanted a valid reason for a vote and not just another random vote , you gave me one with your lack of sense acusation , thank you ^_^.
vote : Lybydose
I'm not trying to avoid any vote , i just wanted a valid reason for a vote and not just another random vote , you gave me one with your lack of sense acusation , thank you ^_^.
Yay for omgus
Thank god you were just lying
Yeah, I was mainly trying to have someone counterclaim Aya, since I heard in irc she was popular. Anyone want to claim aux anyway? Just one person please.
Okay, Claim Hider. I have no idea how to play this role.
well that's a good start
now all you have to do is watch me at night and you have the role down pat
oh no you edited your post to hider
now all you have to do is watch me at night and you have the role down pat
oh no you edited your post to hider
Typed wrong role, I meant Hider >_<
Should I be offended?
Why are you role fishing on D1?
I don't speak crumpet and tea or whatever it is you people speak, so I'm not sure where your line of thinking came from just now. The fact is you're mafia and want to distract town.
Playing dirty are we, Two?
@bmin To me it looks like he's role fishing just so he can FoS whoever claims.
@bmin To me it looks like he's role fishing just so he can FoS whoever claims.
no actually I want someone to genuinely claim and for a good reason
So what makes my claim so much less genuine than the one you're after?
uh how about the fact that you weren't even clear about what your role was
and how about the fact that you didn't include a kawaii touhou girl with it
and how about the fact that you didn't include a kawaii touhou girl with it
The Kawaii touhou girl is Patchouli Knowledge, whoever that is. And the role is this. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider
The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.
I don't see how it fits with that character but then I have no interest in reading the wall of text either. That's good enough. You should hide behind me.
No, because then the mafia knows that if they target you they'll get a double kill.
If you say no then I am never going to stop voting for you, as that would make you mafia.
Please explain.
I'd rather keep the explanation as minimal as: trust me, you have nothing to worry about if you hide behind me.
Expecting people to trust you for no reason is very out of line. You are fully capable of creating a scheme such as this whether you are aligned with town or mafia, and the fact that you lie about your restrictions does not help you look any more innocent.
You should really change your game strategy, as this lying thing has now taken place two games in a row. It's going to bite you in the ass, you can't be pro-town every time.
You should really change your game strategy, as this lying thing has now taken place two games in a row. It's going to bite you in the ass, you can't be pro-town every time.
the fact is town can't lose if the real hider is mashley and he complies
I don't care about your boo hoo two lied stuff
I don't care about your boo hoo two lied stuff
Or maybe you're mafia.
you got me, I want the hider to hide behind me so that I can ki-- wait that makes no sense
MafiaScum wrote:
Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it.
I didn't even realize that
still, I want him to hide behind me
and I'd like for any protective roles to abstain from targeting either of us k thx
still, I want him to hide behind me
and I'd like for any protective roles to abstain from targeting either of us k thx
The fact is, you come up with with a plan, don't tell anybody anything about it, and anybody who questions your plan is an idiot and/or mafia.
I understand your track record is half decent, but if people get into their head that "there goes two with another plan, looks like he's town again" we are doomed.
However one thing you didn't seem aware of is that if the hider targets mafia, the hider dies. So since you are implying you have an amazing plan to prevent both you and mashley from getting double killed which you've publicly announced, then I support Mashley hiding behind you tonight.
If Mashley doesn't die in the morning, than that either confirms you are both town, or you are both mafia. Go for it Mash.
I understand your track record is half decent, but if people get into their head that "there goes two with another plan, looks like he's town again" we are doomed.
However one thing you didn't seem aware of is that if the hider targets mafia, the hider dies. So since you are implying you have an amazing plan to prevent both you and mashley from getting double killed which you've publicly announced, then I support Mashley hiding behind you tonight.
If Mashley doesn't die in the morning, than that either confirms you are both town, or you are both mafia. Go for it Mash.
akro asshole, why ninja me.
Rolled wrote:
I understand your track record is fantastically amazing and stupendous, but if people get into their head that "there goes two with another plan, looks like he's town again" we are guaranteed a victory through their intuitiveness.
Cause the mass roleclaim didn't lead to an SK win in pyp osu or anything.
ooh another mafia member wants to bring up that game as an attack on me (see foulcoon in recent wwg)
the thing is, though, that mass claim not only outed foulcoon but it outed bmin as well, and not being able to see that was a fault of yours not mine
the thing is, though, that mass claim not only outed foulcoon but it outed bmin as well, and not being able to see that was a fault of yours not mine
The only way whatever plan you have is hindering to town is if both you and Mashley are mafia aligned. Mashley, if you are indeed the Hider, please hide behind Two. A 1:1 exchange is good, if Two does happen to be mafia.
Assuming you both live to day 2, I expect valuable and accurate information.
Two:
How long do you request no aux's target you overnight? Are you susceptible to being NKed? Will you be aware if Mashley is lying about being a hider?
Assuming you both live to day 2, I expect valuable and accurate information.
Two:
How long do you request no aux's target you overnight? Are you susceptible to being NKed? Will you be aware if Mashley is lying about being a hider?
I don't want to elaborate more than I have, which I understand wasn't very helpful
just trust that it would be less helpful if I did
just trust that it would be less helpful if I did
You can elaborate on whether or not you are susceptible of being NKed. You've made it very clear that Mashley has nothing to worry about if he targets you, so I demand you explain how.
yes I'm sure you would like that but I'm going to have to decline again
Then I'm forced to believe you are some kind of third party associated with Hider.
You have asked Mashley (Hider) to hide behind you, and ensured him he has nothing to worry about. You have also made it very clear that if he chooses not to hide behind you, you will vote for him every time (implying you do not have town's best interest in mind). You have made it well-known to mafia that your wish is to have the hider behind you, which is an easy double kill. Thus, you are also implying you have protection from nightkills, or you should, at least.
You're implying all types of shit here, so if you don't supply at least a reason why you will not be nightkilled, then I'm going to assume you have nothing to supply. If you can't confirm you will be safe overnight, then I would rather not our hider get double killed along with you (ps mashley, i revoke my request to hide behind two) I personally can't see how you announcing the hider will be behind you would be beneficial to town in the least bit, so you're going to need to supply something if you expect me to support it.
You have asked Mashley (Hider) to hide behind you, and ensured him he has nothing to worry about. You have also made it very clear that if he chooses not to hide behind you, you will vote for him every time (implying you do not have town's best interest in mind). You have made it well-known to mafia that your wish is to have the hider behind you, which is an easy double kill. Thus, you are also implying you have protection from nightkills, or you should, at least.
You're implying all types of shit here, so if you don't supply at least a reason why you will not be nightkilled, then I'm going to assume you have nothing to supply. If you can't confirm you will be safe overnight, then I would rather not our hider get double killed along with you (ps mashley, i revoke my request to hide behind two) I personally can't see how you announcing the hider will be behind you would be beneficial to town in the least bit, so you're going to need to supply something if you expect me to support it.
well it's obvious you would want mashley not to hide behind me because I've previously stated town can't lose if he dies
you're free to think I'm some sort of mystical 3rd party but you definitely can't think I'm mafia, I mean I started by looking for the watcher afterall
you're free to think I'm some sort of mystical 3rd party but you definitely can't think I'm mafia, I mean I started by looking for the watcher afterall
It seems Two needs someone to target him in order to meet some sort of agenda. Whether that's town or otherwise we have no way of telling, but I would suggest someone else targets him as I would die if he isn't town.
mashley do you not understand what I'm saying to you
I have to know who the aux role is or I'm just a free kill for mafia
you've already exposed yourself, do you really want to expose another aux?
I have to know who the aux role is or I'm just a free kill for mafia
you've already exposed yourself, do you really want to expose another aux?
It's kinda hard to expect there wouldn't be a doctor in 18 players game. If Mashley hides behind Two, then the Doctor is almost for sure to save Two so there won't be a double kill. Two's intention seems clear that he just wants to stay alive for D1 (where he usually dies).
So what you're claiming that, if one aux role targets you, and you tell the host "this role targeted," neither of you die?
How about you stop being so fucking cryptic and elaborate so maybe you can get some supporters.
That's what I'm getting out of this, and it's definitely nothing that I've ever heard of.
How about you stop being so fucking cryptic and elaborate so maybe you can get some supporters.
That's what I'm getting out of this, and it's definitely nothing that I've ever heard of.
bmin I explained my intention: I wanted to be counterclaimed by aya/the watcher
rolled I am not going to elaborate as that helps mafia
it's day 1 what the hell would my reasons be for doing this if I was mafia
you should just trust what I'm saying for now
rolled I am not going to elaborate as that helps mafia
it's day 1 what the hell would my reasons be for doing this if I was mafia
you should just trust what I'm saying for now
Fishing for a watcher? I don't know how that can help, but an aux kill for mafia
At this point I'm about 95% sure Two is town, and 75% sure one of the people attacking him is mafia.
Nah, make that about 60% on the second part.LadySuburu wrote:
At this point I'm about 95% sure Two is town, and 75% sure one of the people attacking him is mafia.
Triple post: Attacking is defined loosely and may not be the right word. I'd include bmin11, Rolled, and Mash in the list of people.LadySuburu wrote:
At this point I'm about 95% sure Two is town, and 75% sure one of the people attacking him is mafia.
that really doesn't make sense, mainly what I read is them asking for an explanation so they weren't blindly following Two which is more than reasonable. "trust me cause I say so" isn't exactly the most convincing argument everLadySuburu wrote:
Triple post: Attacking is defined loosely and may not be the right word. I'd include bmin11, Rolled, and Mash in the list of people.LadySuburu wrote:
At this point I'm about 95% sure Two is town, and 75% sure one of the people attacking him is mafia.
I fail to see how they are doing anything but pointing out that Two has explained nothing in this supposed master plan
also how can you even claim Mashley is doing anything when it's Two asking him to use his hider ability on him, which could potentially end in his death
FUN FACT: Assuming 4 mafia, there's a 55% chance at least 1 of 3 randomly selected players are mafia.LadySuburu wrote:
60% chance one of bmin11, Rolled, and Mash is mafia
65% assuming 5.
Like I said, maybe attacking isn't the right word.Chris wrote:
that really doesn't make sense, mainly what I read is them asking for an explanation so they weren't blindly following Two which is more than reasonable. "trust me cause I say so" isn't exactly the most convincing argument ever
I fail to see how they are doing anything but pointing out that Two has explained nothing in this supposed master plan
also how can you even claim Mashley is doing anything when it's Two asking him to use his hider ability on him, which could potentially end in his death
After a gambit like that, and in addition to the hints that two's already given towards what he can do, it's better IMO to go ahead and have Mash hide behind Two. Having two explain more when it will just be detremental to town with an explanation is stupid. (Yes, I believe him when he says that.)
But yknow, I've noticed very few people think even near to the same way that I do on these forums. Maybe trying to explain it is pointless. I've just noticed that any time I pull a gambit large like that (which to my memory has never been when I'm mafia), one of the people attacking me (or more) has always been mafia. Also, I tend to fail to explain it properly enough to those who don't believe me (Though I'm not sure if this applied with any of my gambits in WWG in the past.).
It's simple, just have mashley formally agree to hide behind me tonight. If he's telling the truth then I won't die. If I die without taking him with me, he's mafia. If neither of us die, I'm town. Because of that, if he rejects this he's mafia.
Also, if you are opposed to such a pro-town idea, you are mafia as well. See how fun this is?
Also, if you are opposed to such a pro-town idea, you are mafia as well. See how fun this is?
It's up to Mashley in the end but personally I don't see why not when you explain it like that. If he dies and you don't, you're getting lynched D2 anyways.Two wrote:
It's simple, just have mashley formally agree to hide behind me tonight. If he's telling the truth then I won't die. If I die without taking him with me, he's mafia. If neither of us die, I'm town. Because of that, if he rejects this he's mafia.
Also, if you are opposed to such a pro-town idea, you are mafia as well. See how fun this is?
though I'm sure you know that so it's kinda awkward to even consider you're mafia as a 1:1 trade is always beneficial to town
Fine, but I want you to roleclaim and explain all of this Day 2. Now can we get back to discussing the lynch?
KRZY was lurking through all of this
why not?
unvote, vote: KRZY
why not?
unvote, vote: KRZY
So maf can't kill Mash tonight. If Mash dies regardless, Two is clearly maf, and we lynch him. If they kill Two, Mash will die with him if town and Mash will get lynched the next day if he survives. Two is implying he can't die overnight, which might be his role (BP?) or an entirely WIFOM claim to survive the night.
If neither of them die, Mash either didn't visit maf-Two and is an idiot, or visited Two and he is confirmed town. Pretty cool.
If neither of them die, Mash either didn't visit maf-Two and is an idiot, or visited Two and he is confirmed town. Pretty cool.
that was an "am I reading this right post" btw, I'm not Capt. Obvious II.
also: vote: Jinx thanks someone else for voting him else it'd be omgus. I liked what was brought up about Salvage cause it sounded like scumtalk to me. He's new, and newbies often (at least to my experience) have jack idea what's going on or what to say. Salv's input will be about as extensive as it was today I'm afraid. Not certain enough to vote [redacted because I forgot who brought it up. Lyby?] over it though and JInx is scummier in my eyes.
also: vote: Jinx thanks someone else for voting him else it'd be omgus. I liked what was brought up about Salvage cause it sounded like scumtalk to me. He's new, and newbies often (at least to my experience) have jack idea what's going on or what to say. Salv's input will be about as extensive as it was today I'm afraid. Not certain enough to vote [redacted because I forgot who brought it up. Lyby?] over it though and JInx is scummier in my eyes.
Ok so here are the possibilities if Mashley agrees to hide behind Two:
Neither dies: This means either both are town OR both are mafia. Likely the former.
Only Mashley dies: Two is mafia
Only Two dies: Mashley is lying about role or his agreement to hide (which means probably mafia)
Both die: Both are town and mafia got a free double kill. If there is a watcher, he can watch Two and determine who killed him.
Neither dies: This means either both are town OR both are mafia. Likely the former.
Only Mashley dies: Two is mafia
Only Two dies: Mashley is lying about role or his agreement to hide (which means probably mafia)
Both die: Both are town and mafia got a free double kill. If there is a watcher, he can watch Two and determine who killed him.
To add to this, Mashley can psuedo-cop on later dates in the same way by hiding behind people to confirm them as town.
The only problem is, how does Hider interact with roleblocking? In most games, Hider takes priority over Roleblocking, so it's likely to be that way here as well.
The only problem is, how does Hider interact with roleblocking? In most games, Hider takes priority over Roleblocking, so it's likely to be that way here as well.
it doesn't necessarily mean that both of us are town, just means that I'm town since he supposedly didn't die from hiding behind meLybydose wrote:
Ok so here are the possibilities if Mashley agrees to hide behind Two:
Neither dies: This means either both are town OR both are mafia. Likely the former.
Still though this strategy isn't airtight. He's not counting a busdriver or a roleblocker or a strongman to take them both down regardless of Two's apparent nightkill immunity(?) Heck if Lilac and pieguy got fancy there might be an interceptor around.
oh whoops nvm about roleblocker if Lyby says Hider goes first in natural order.
mod: confirm please. also votecount?
mod: confirm please. also votecount?
In most games, Hiding takes priority over everything except Copying (this includes bussing and blocking). Furthermore, strongman can't directly target a Hider since it trumps even that.Wojjan wrote:
Still though this strategy isn't airtight. He's not counting a busdriver or a roleblocker or a strongman to take them both down regardless of Two's apparent nightkill immunity(?) Heck if Lilac and pieguy got fancy there might be an interceptor around.
mod: can we get an updated vote count?
Keeping my vote on Salvage for now thanks to his blatant OMGUS on my one vote.
I meant strongman on Two, since he seems to imply that he's somehow making it through the night. Also, I'm pretty sure Hiding never took privilege over busdriving. mod: confirm that too.
ok well, bus drivers are usually town. If you're a bus driver don't be stupid and swap Two with anyone.
doublepost instead of editing
In natural order resolution you find an action that cannot be modified by another action and resolve that first. Unfortunately both Hider and Bus Drive would be dependent on each other (if hider resolves first, bus fails. if bus resolves first, hider target changes). On the mafia wiki page, the suggested order is hider first, then bus.
In natural order resolution you find an action that cannot be modified by another action and resolve that first. Unfortunately both Hider and Bus Drive would be dependent on each other (if hider resolves first, bus fails. if bus resolves first, hider target changes). On the mafia wiki page, the suggested order is hider first, then bus.
Hider takes priority over everything in my games (Except strongman, but I use strongman abnormally and stronger than the role normally is.)
As for what this game is doing? No clue.
As for what this game is doing? No clue.
Topic Starter
Hiding takes priority over busdriving. Hiders cannot be roleblocked, but bus drivers can.Wojjan wrote:
mod: confirm please.
also votecount?Votecount:
JInxyjem (4) - Mashley, 0_o, Wojjan, bmin11
Salvage (2) - Lybydose, Rolled
Lybydose (2) - animask, Salvage
Wojjan (2) - jinxyjem, KRZY
KRZY (1) - Two
Gabi (1) - akrolsmir
Raging Bull (1) - Gabi
Vote: Quaraezha
has literally contributed nothing other than a vote on Two, and then an unvote
Gabi has done the same, nothing but a random vote
I really don't want to go through and check all 18 people so someone do it for me please
has literally contributed nothing other than a vote on Two, and then an unvote
Gabi has done the same, nothing but a random vote
I really don't want to go through and check all 18 people so someone do it for me please
Prod everyone who didn't post in the last 24 hours please , specially Gabi.
I find Gabi's extreme lurking pretty suspicious , but i'd like to hear what he has to say first.
I find Gabi's extreme lurking pretty suspicious , but i'd like to hear what he has to say first.
prod: Gabi
People who strike me as inactive:
animask
Rantai
Q
bmin11
Raging Bull
Gabi
KRZY
If you resent this categorization please do speak up.
People who strike me as inactive:
animask
Rantai
Q
bmin11
Raging Bull
Gabi
KRZY
If you resent this categorization please do speak up.
ninja'd. It might be helpful to note that Gabi's the only one who hasn't spoken in 24 hours.
I'm not inactive ._. I just don't know what to say really.
Also how come if Mashley hides behind two, two won't die?Two wrote:
It's simple, just have mashley formally agree to hide behind me tonight. If he's telling the truth then I won't die. If I die without
I've posted everything I wanted to say, which were...
1. Deaf is bull shit (which it was)
2. Agree on Mashley hiding behind Two and all those possibilities
3. Why seek for Watcher on D1?
I just didn't felt like pointing it out again as they were obvious/had no impact or significant point out on others.
1. Deaf is bull shit (which it was)
2. Agree on Mashley hiding behind Two and all those possibilities
3. Why seek for Watcher on D1?
I just didn't felt like pointing it out again as they were obvious/had no impact or significant point out on others.
Posting here before i go to sleep.
That said, i'm going to unvote. Will continue when i wake up tomorrow
That said, i'm going to unvote. Will continue when i wake up tomorrow
Everyone seems to be trying to guess roles here and talk about them. There isn't really much going on besides that besides Two and his odd roleclaim. (I just skimmed those other posts that seemed to talk about roles people could have.) I think some of the mafia may be the ones that are discussing about how roles work because they have a better understanding of what the roles could be like.
Always when I'm sleeping.
Give me a bit, 8 pages popped up out of no where.
Give me a bit, 8 pages popped up out of no where.
Heh I figured that restriction was silly.
I see no reason for Two to expose himself as a mafia if Mashley is the hider (ie Mashley dies solo tonight), leading me to believe, at the very least, he's not mafia (going either town or independent). Call it whatever you want but I also don't believe both are mafia out to scheme the big plan.
I see no reason for Two to expose himself as a mafia if Mashley is the hider (ie Mashley dies solo tonight), leading me to believe, at the very least, he's not mafia (going either town or independent). Call it whatever you want but I also don't believe both are mafia out to scheme the big plan.
^ That goes from the perspective of me if I were playing in that position. Seems idiotic to expose yourself like that, if mafia.
I don't see why lurking all day without posting anything is suspicious. I just keep this page open all the time, that is all.
Unvote
Unvote
Alright, back from school, and read the few pages back.
One: I still don't believe random 1-votes are going to do jack in scum-hunting, especially after 1 real day has gone over without any scummy action. Asking us to keep the useless votes there made me feel that wojjan is mafia and making us keep the votes away from his mafia buddies.
Two: I agree with Rantai; Two exposing himself as mafia just to kill Mashley really doesn't sound like something he would do.
One: I still don't believe random 1-votes are going to do jack in scum-hunting, especially after 1 real day has gone over without any scummy action. Asking us to keep the useless votes there made me feel that wojjan is mafia and making us keep the votes away from his mafia buddies.
Two: I agree with Rantai; Two exposing himself as mafia just to kill Mashley really doesn't sound like something he would do.
Votecount: (Since I'm back...)
JInxyjem (4) - Mashley, 0_o, Wojjan, bmin11
Salvage (2) - Lybydose, Rolled
Lybydose (2) - animask, Salvage
Wojjan (1) - Jinxyjem
KRZY (1) - Two
Gabi (1) - akrolsmir
Quaraezha (1) - Chris
Not Voting: Rantai, Quaraezha, LadySuburu, Raging Bull, Gabi, KRZY. Deadline is in around 3 days.
JInxyjem (4) - Mashley, 0_o, Wojjan, bmin11
Salvage (2) - Lybydose, Rolled
Lybydose (2) - animask, Salvage
Wojjan (1) - Jinxyjem
KRZY (1) - Two
Gabi (1) - akrolsmir
Quaraezha (1) - Chris
Not Voting: Rantai, Quaraezha, LadySuburu, Raging Bull, Gabi, KRZY. Deadline is in around 3 days.
I guess everyone is fine with letting people off the hook just because they said "there was nothing to say"?
Well, I'm not sure what to make of it.
On one hand you're right it's not helping town at all, on the other hand repeating what others say to 'say something' isn't too helpful either.
Though it would be nice to hear opinions.
On one hand you're right it's not helping town at all, on the other hand repeating what others say to 'say something' isn't too helpful either.
Though it would be nice to hear opinions.
I think we need to lynch someone who's inactive, they aren't bringing anything to the game anyways
17 hours ago.Gabi wrote:
Posting here before i go to sleep.
That said, i'm going to unvote. Will continue when i wake up tomorrow
I don't really like the Lynch all Lurkers policy style play, but I've got nothing better right now and I've started to get a little annoyed by lurkers over the past few games.
Still, I'm going to reread over what we have in the thread and hope I find something.
Usually I wouldn't either, except the only thing that's happened so far is Two and Mashley's N1 plan.LadySuburu wrote:
I don't really like the Lynch all Lurkers policy style play, but I've got nothing better right now and I've started to get a little annoyed by lurkers over the past few games.
No one has really talked about anything else other than Two's claim, which led to that.
It's pretty much the only option I can see, and even after calling most of these people out they've still yet to post
anyone willing to roleclaim? make this interesting please
unvote, vote KRZY
please don't tell me you're going to let this one slide
please don't tell me you're going to let this one slide
Two seems intent on getting me out of the frame.
Vote: Two
Vote: Two