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Rantai

animask wrote:

He doesn't seem like the type that
wouldn't want to post on Day 1 as mafia or town.
Not wanting to dip into the meta game but he did fake a post restriction last pyp. (Was also a watcher to boot)

I think I believe him. Even if it does sound silly

Ninjas
Quaraezha

Lybydose wrote:

Quaraezha role was only half made up
I remember that, wherein he can only post three times a day (because I was an inactive player)
that and the font thingy.
Rantai
And I just realised I mashed two thought processes together that makes no sense.

Allow me to clear up my thoughts: I believe his roleclaim.

I don't believe the restriction.
0_o

Quaraezha wrote:

I remember that, wherein he can only post three times a day (because I was an inactive player)
that and the font thingy.
He was a watcher who couldn't use his ability unless he posted in bold & your colour.

He lied about having a post limit, and that he was also a tracker.
0_o
Basically I don't put it past Two to lie about anything regardless of whether he's pro-town or not.
Wojjan
stop making up dumb things.
Vote: Lyby because fuck you 'swhat
LadySuburu
I don't doubt the possibility of an odd restriction like that, but I'd be more inclined to think that someone used an ability on Two before he got to the thread. Having a restriction like that doesn't really fit the flavor, but having someone able to restrict others like that may.

Or, he could be lying like faceman said. Though, I doubt it this time around.
0_o

LadySuburu wrote:

I don't doubt the possibility of an odd restriction like that, but I'd be more inclined to think that someone used an ability on Two before he got to the thread. Having a restriction like that doesn't really fit the flavor, but having someone able to restrict others like that may.
Hmm, maybe. Hey, Two, did someone use that on you or-

...oh, right.
bmin11
Talking about blindness, I've heard of a character called Mystia Lorelei. Her ability on Touhou is to blind people on Night. So, there is a possibility of a mafia member with blind ability. However, the way blind works seems brutally stupid. It made the person "Deaf", which is just wrong on how "blind" works and leaving it's effect on player's honesty is just showing how pieguy and Lillac done a terrible job. You can view this thread as a guest or invisible or even read while you post (unless you are editting).

So, I'm calling out bull shit. Don't tell me making you "Deaf" restrics you to "Speak"
akrolsmir
It seems like an incredibly unfun restriction to me, to the point where I wouldn't believe the mods would do that. The question is, is Two lying because he's scum or because he's trying to do what he did last game?

The gambit probably wouldn't work twice given that he just pulled it last game, and he should know this. FoS: Two

That said, unvote. I'll give it credit for effectively moving us away from RVS.
Chris_old

akrolsmir wrote:

It seems like an incredibly unfun restriction to me, to the point where I wouldn't believe the mods would do that. The question is, is Two lying because he's scum or because he's trying to do what he did last game?
Maybe it's just a D1 restriction? I really don't understand how you can can keep someone from reading the thread through the whole game, it's basically like they're not even playing.

I feel like he's lying so he can live past D1.

or maybe that's what he wants us to think
LadySuburu
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kyouko_Kasodani

Manipulation of Sound Waves

Potentially could be used to make someone deaf for a day.
akrolsmir

LadySuburu wrote:

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kyouko_Kasodani

Manipulation of Sound Waves

Potentially could be used to make someone deaf for a day.
Somebody who actually plays Touhou want to weigh in on this?
KRZY

akrolsmir wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kyouko_Kasodani

Manipulation of Sound Waves

Potentially could be used to make someone deaf for a day.
Somebody who actually plays Touhou want to weigh in on this?
I've played th13 but that doesn't gift me with any more insight on pieguy's settings than what you guys have now :S
bmin11
Well that makes sense, but is it possible for the mafia to use their ability during day time? I've never seen a case before, so I'm not so aware of it.
0_o

bmin11 wrote:

Well that makes sense, but is it possible for the mafia to use their ability during day time? I've never seen a case before, so I'm not so aware of it.
A role that acts during the day definitely isn't unheard of.
Lybydose

akrolsmir wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kyouko_Kasodani

Manipulation of Sound Waves

Potentially could be used to make someone deaf for a day.
Somebody who actually plays Touhou want to weigh in on this?
I dunno, maybe? In the game he power just reflects soundwaves (to send capture and control bullets). I guess it could fit in the game flavorwise.

However back to Mystia, her theme song is named Deaf to All but the Song.
Salvage
I still find that 'hability' really weird , deppending on the affected user honesty .. it's impossible to proove that it actually 'worked' .. but w/e.



unvote
Lybydose
Also use en.touhouwiki.net instead, generally better and more acurate
Wojjan
both could be used to effectively deafen Two, Mystia being sort of more violent than Kyouko gives her an infinitely better chance of being a maf with that ability though.
akrolsmir
So it looks like the flavor might work, but it's not really a great fit or anything. Do you think practically/gameplay-wise there would be such a role?

Salvage, do us a favor and use Firefox or some other browser with a built in spellcheck. It took me a minute to understand what a "hability" was supposed to be.
Salvage
omg sorry .. i'm using chrome atm


I'll try to spell better from now on , sorry teacher.
Wojjan

akrolsmir wrote:

So it looks like the flavor might work, but it's not really a great fit or anything. Do you think practically/gameplay-wise there would be such a role?
no. this role only works in realtime mafia, where you can't enter the channel or get forced out of the room or something.
Mashley
Unvote
Wtf @2... How can pieguy expect people to follow a rule like that? This game is craaaazy. And if Two was going to like like he did in community PyP, I reckon he'd pick a less controversial lie to be honest. I believe it.
Chris_old

Mashley wrote:

I reckon he'd pick a less controversial lie to be honest. I believe it.
the thing that's got me on the fence is that not only is it stupid, but it completely negates any possibility of him replying to anything

it basically means he is not playing and it's hard for me to believe pieguy or Lilac would have anyone unable to play the entire game with a crap role like watcher
Chris_old
I'm "Deaf" for the entire game day
oh my I didn't read it correctly

game day not game

edit: I wonder if he's allowed to go back and read D1 once it's D2 and he's not "deaf"?
Rolled
Late to the party.

You're telling me that he has a restriction of not being able to view the thread, however he can navigate and post? First of all, as was said, the blindness ability is fucking retarded and I can't imagine it being included. If it was included, I would expect it to be along the lines of a silence from PYP osu, where the host made note of it, and he wouldn't be able to read nor reply to the thread. This is all assuming it was applied by mafia, not part of his role restrictions.

The whole thing sounds like bullshit. I can't make sense of it at all.
Lybydose
ok whatever this whole thing reeks of bullshit, how could "not reading the thread" possibly be enforced?

unvote, vote: Two
LadySuburu

Lybydose wrote:

ok whatever this whole thing reeks of bullshit, how could "not reading the thread" possibly be enforced?

unvote, vote: Two
They can't technically "enforce" him not reading the thread. They CAN modkill him if he posts something that indicates at all that he read the thread.

Basically, it's a weakened silence.
Lybydose
actually wait jester lololo

unvote
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

They can't technically "enforce" him not reading the thread. They CAN modkill him if he posts something that indicates at all that he read the thread.

Basically, it's a weakened silence.
what would stop be from quoting the entire first day for him to read d2
akrolsmir

Lybydose wrote:

ok whatever this whole thing reeks of bullshit, how could "not reading the thread" possibly be enforced?
Oh, and if he were really deaf, he should at least know to anticipate our response and make some comments of some kind. So, vote: Two. Now get in here and explain what you were trying to pull off.
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

what would stop be from quoting the entire first day for him to read d2
Nothing really. I'm not even sure if he's not allowed to go back and read after D1.

Person: Hey guys what happened yesterday I was out of it and don't remember.

Person 2: Oh blah blah happened, oh and here's a recording.
Raging Bull
It would be nice if he can explain it to us , but I assume he can't read what we're saying here.
Jinxy
Unvote

I personally think he can, just that he can't and wouldn't explain it until he survives D1.
Highly doubt he's Jester, that thing is stupidly annoying.
Rantai
Unvote

I'm going to give the mods the benefit of the doubt.

That said the restriction being placed by someone seems like the most believable story, if only he could tell us if he got the restriction with his flavour pm or as a separate one -.-
KRZY
Unvote

cuz mine was an RV
Raging Bull
Unvote

No reason in particular since the my earlier one was just because of RV
Quaraezha
Unvote
Wojjan
you're all faggots. unvoting randavotes basically defeats the point of randavotes entirely. we ain't got shit to go on other than bullshit claim on Two's end, so keep them up ffs
KRZY
ok.

vote: wojjan
Jinxy
Reading the wiki, RV is for pressuring scum into revealing actions, and it doesn't look like it's working, since we still "ain't got shit to go on other than bullshit claim on Two's end".
On the other hand, you sound like you want votes all over the place, instead. Reducing pressure to blend in and make our lives harder, now?

Vote: Wojjan
0_o

JInxyjem wrote:

Reading the wiki, RV is for pressuring scum into revealing actions, and it doesn't look like it's working, since we still "ain't got shit to go on other than bullshit claim on Two's end".
On the other hand, you sound like you want votes all over the place, instead. Reducing pressure to blend in and make our lives harder, now?

Vote: Wojjan
This post is rubbing me the wrong way.

vote JInxyjem
Salvage
It really becomes a bit hard for me to build an opinion about Two's deaf thing since i don't know touhou at all .. he said he doesn't know it also on irc before this started , but at the same time that seems like the most stupid ability ever , i'd vote for Two for this same reason but i also doubt that he'd be so stupid enough to drag himself into a lynch so fast (jester?) .. but he could be trying to seem like a jester too , wifom wifom wifom wifom.


So i'll save my vote for now <.<.
Chris_old
Vote: Lybydose

cause he actually was town in the other game, go figure
Wojjan
yes, I want votes all over the place.
Sleep Powder

Wojjan wrote:

yes, I want votes all over the place.
Votes all over the place = scum-hunting

Random bandwagons help to kind out who is mafia too.
Wojjan

animask wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

yes, I want votes all over the place.
Votes all over the place = scum-hunting

Random bandwagons help to kind out who is mafia too.
Wow, and then animask just EXPLODES and STARTS MAKING SENSE instead of being scummy every day!

Wow!
Mashley
Agreed with 0_o, vote JInxyjem
Lybydose
While I don't particularly like jinxyjem's post, Salvage's seems even worse. It's like he's deliberately trying to avoid having an opinion on anything and not vote.

vote: Salvage
Rolled

JInxyjem wrote:

Reading the wiki, RV is for pressuring scum into revealing actions,

Vote: Wojjan
Sweet, mafiawiki is supporting my attempt at scumpainting wojjan
At the same time, wojjan is bad for expecting RVs to stick around. I took all of the unvotes as "I expect some shit to go down today, let's remove this placeholder." Even though they were bandwagon unvotes.

Need to start reading thread more, keep being late to the party. I have some large papers due early this week, so don't expect me incredibly active until around wednesday.
Salvage

Lybydose wrote:

While I don't particularly like jinxyjem's post, Salvage's seems even worse. It's like he's deliberately trying to avoid having an opinion on anything and not vote.

vote: Salvage

I tried to understand this and failed .. i gave my opinion about everything , but i added that my opinion could not be that usefull right now cause i know nothing about touhou .. i'd recomend you to read my entire post before saying non-sense stuff.
Salvage
Oh .. and


vote : Lybydose


I'm not trying to avoid any vote , i just wanted a valid reason for a vote and not just another random vote , you gave me one with your lack of sense acusation , thank you ^_^.
Mashley
Yay for omgus
Two_old
vote: Mashley

cool, JInxyjem is now confirmed town

bmin11
Thank god you were just lying
Two_old
Yeah, I was mainly trying to have someone counterclaim Aya, since I heard in irc she was popular. Anyone want to claim aux anyway? Just one person please.
Mashley
Okay, Claim Hider. I have no idea how to play this role.
Two_old
well that's a good start

now all you have to do is watch me at night and you have the role down pat

oh no you edited your post to hider
Mashley
Typed wrong role, I meant Hider >_<
Two_old
if only you could hide during the day
Mashley
Should I be offended?
bmin11
Why are you role fishing on D1?
Two_old
I don't speak crumpet and tea or whatever it is you people speak, so I'm not sure where your line of thinking came from just now. The fact is you're mafia and want to distract town.
Mashley
Playing dirty are we, Two?
@bmin To me it looks like he's role fishing just so he can FoS whoever claims.
Two_old
no actually I want someone to genuinely claim and for a good reason
Mashley
So what makes my claim so much less genuine than the one you're after?
Two_old
uh how about the fact that you weren't even clear about what your role was

and how about the fact that you didn't include a kawaii touhou girl with it
Mashley
The Kawaii touhou girl is Patchouli Knowledge, whoever that is. And the role is this. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider
The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.
Two_old
I don't see how it fits with that character but then I have no interest in reading the wall of text either. That's good enough. You should hide behind me.
Mashley
No, because then the mafia knows that if they target you they'll get a double kill.
Two_old
If you say no then I am never going to stop voting for you, as that would make you mafia.
Mashley
Please explain.
Two_old
I'd rather keep the explanation as minimal as: trust me, you have nothing to worry about if you hide behind me.
Rolled
Expecting people to trust you for no reason is very out of line. You are fully capable of creating a scheme such as this whether you are aligned with town or mafia, and the fact that you lie about your restrictions does not help you look any more innocent.

You should really change your game strategy, as this lying thing has now taken place two games in a row. It's going to bite you in the ass, you can't be pro-town every time.
akrolsmir
And Two goes off again lying and trying some crazy gambit that probably won't work. Oh well, I can believe that you were trying to draw a counterclaim I guess. unvote

vote: Gabi Of your two posts, one was signing up and the other was a RV, 27 hours ago. And I just saw you on here.
Two_old
the fact is town can't lose if the real hider is mashley and he complies

I don't care about your boo hoo two lied stuff
Rolled
Or maybe you're mafia.
Two_old
you got me, I want the hider to hide behind me so that I can ki-- wait that makes no sense
akrolsmir

MafiaScum wrote:

Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it.
Two_old
I didn't even realize that

still, I want him to hide behind me

and I'd like for any protective roles to abstain from targeting either of us k thx
Rolled
The fact is, you come up with with a plan, don't tell anybody anything about it, and anybody who questions your plan is an idiot and/or mafia.

I understand your track record is half decent, but if people get into their head that "there goes two with another plan, looks like he's town again" we are doomed.

However one thing you didn't seem aware of is that if the hider targets mafia, the hider dies. So since you are implying you have an amazing plan to prevent both you and mashley from getting double killed which you've publicly announced, then I support Mashley hiding behind you tonight.

If Mashley doesn't die in the morning, than that either confirms you are both town, or you are both mafia. Go for it Mash.
Rolled
akro asshole, why ninja me.
Two_old

Rolled wrote:

I understand your track record is fantastically amazing and stupendous, but if people get into their head that "there goes two with another plan, looks like he's town again" we are guaranteed a victory through their intuitiveness.
Rolled
Cause the mass roleclaim didn't lead to an SK win in pyp osu or anything.
Two_old
ooh another mafia member wants to bring up that game as an attack on me (see foulcoon in recent wwg)

the thing is, though, that mass claim not only outed foulcoon but it outed bmin as well, and not being able to see that was a fault of yours not mine
Rolled
The only way whatever plan you have is hindering to town is if both you and Mashley are mafia aligned. Mashley, if you are indeed the Hider, please hide behind Two. A 1:1 exchange is good, if Two does happen to be mafia.

Assuming you both live to day 2, I expect valuable and accurate information.

Two:
How long do you request no aux's target you overnight? Are you susceptible to being NKed? Will you be aware if Mashley is lying about being a hider?
Two_old
I don't want to elaborate more than I have, which I understand wasn't very helpful

just trust that it would be less helpful if I did
Rolled
You can elaborate on whether or not you are susceptible of being NKed. You've made it very clear that Mashley has nothing to worry about if he targets you, so I demand you explain how.
Two_old
yes I'm sure you would like that but I'm going to have to decline again
Rolled
Then I'm forced to believe you are some kind of third party associated with Hider.

You have asked Mashley (Hider) to hide behind you, and ensured him he has nothing to worry about. You have also made it very clear that if he chooses not to hide behind you, you will vote for him every time (implying you do not have town's best interest in mind). You have made it well-known to mafia that your wish is to have the hider behind you, which is an easy double kill. Thus, you are also implying you have protection from nightkills, or you should, at least.

You're implying all types of shit here, so if you don't supply at least a reason why you will not be nightkilled, then I'm going to assume you have nothing to supply. If you can't confirm you will be safe overnight, then I would rather not our hider get double killed along with you (ps mashley, i revoke my request to hide behind two) I personally can't see how you announcing the hider will be behind you would be beneficial to town in the least bit, so you're going to need to supply something if you expect me to support it.
Two_old
well it's obvious you would want mashley not to hide behind me because I've previously stated town can't lose if he dies

you're free to think I'm some sort of mystical 3rd party but you definitely can't think I'm mafia, I mean I started by looking for the watcher afterall
Two_old
woops does not dies*

freudian slip? go for it
Mashley
It seems Two needs someone to target him in order to meet some sort of agenda. Whether that's town or otherwise we have no way of telling, but I would suggest someone else targets him as I would die if he isn't town.
Two_old
mashley do you not understand what I'm saying to you

I have to know who the aux role is or I'm just a free kill for mafia

you've already exposed yourself, do you really want to expose another aux?
bmin11
It's kinda hard to expect there wouldn't be a doctor in 18 players game. If Mashley hides behind Two, then the Doctor is almost for sure to save Two so there won't be a double kill. Two's intention seems clear that he just wants to stay alive for D1 (where he usually dies).
Rolled
So what you're claiming that, if one aux role targets you, and you tell the host "this role targeted," neither of you die?

How about you stop being so fucking cryptic and elaborate so maybe you can get some supporters.

That's what I'm getting out of this, and it's definitely nothing that I've ever heard of.
Two_old
bmin I explained my intention: I wanted to be counterclaimed by aya/the watcher

rolled I am not going to elaborate as that helps mafia

it's day 1 what the hell would my reasons be for doing this if I was mafia

you should just trust what I'm saying for now
bmin11
Fishing for a watcher? I don't know how that can help, but an aux kill for mafia
LadySuburu
At this point I'm about 95% sure Two is town, and 75% sure one of the people attacking him is mafia.
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