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bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
I'm so in lost right now. Too much What If What If What If orz

I won't be here for the last hours of D3, so I won't vote just in case something else comes up and you guys want to change the lynch or something.
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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foulcoon
Vote: pieguy

I just find him more suspicious than the other vanilla town claims. Even though mara looks scummy I think hes just a dumbass, not a mafia.

I do agree with LS on a great majority of things. I think there is very little chance of more than 1 or 2 vanilla town. We have had multiple claims of plain town so I'm looking at someone there. I feel like pieguy is giving us just enough to keep himself alive.

I also have a strong suspicion on bmin. I know some of you guys didn't get my SK line earlier, but I was basically saying he said that I was mafia and NK'd one target, when there were 3 NK deaths. We know one is confirmed to have come from akro, so why is one specific person the mafia NK target? How could bmin possibly know which player was killed by mafia, and which person was killed by SK. I was mainly just being a smartass but think about it, was this a slip-up on his part? Willing to bet he is the SK.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

foulcoon wrote:

Willing to bet he is the SK.
if you are willing to bet it why are you voting for pieguy and not him
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Chris wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

Willing to bet he is the SK.
if you are willing to bet it why are you voting for pieguy and not him
because I doubt anyone else is going to vote for him?

Unvote, Vote: bmin11

happy?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Oh now I see. I was referring to

Chris wrote:

foulcoon killed Two
Mafia killed Wojjan
akrolsmir killed Rantai
I realized I remembered it wrong. Sorry for being forgetful.



EDIT: Since I can still log in for an hour, I'll Vote: LunaticMara. He's attitude towards scumhunting is suspicious. It's as seem he think everyone is neutral, not knowing how to accuse others. The reason why I think this is happening to Mara, is because he already knows others are townie. It's really hard to forge an accusation when you know the person is townie. I had the same trouble when I was mafia as well.
0_o
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Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count (sorry for falling behind on this)

LunaticMara (4) LadySuburu, akrosmir, Mashley, pieguy
foulcoon (2) Chris, Lilac
Lilac (1) foulcoon
Kiddo-kun (1) Rolled

Deadline is in 1 day, 7 hours.
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara
Few more votes and victory!
Rolled
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2008
Rolled

LS wrote:

Oh, and unless Rolled (who for some reason has viewed the thread a few times since I've posted asking him for evidence that we're not already screwed if Chris isn't sane) gives me that said evidence/logic/ect... I'm going to continue to assume he's sane.
Well, this was pretty much what my plan consisted of:

Lynch rust -1 mafia
Make foulcoon (assuming SK) shoot lilac -1 mafia
I get lucky and redirect a kill placed on akro/Chris (50/50 chance, though I probably would have picked Chris) on Lunaticmara -1 mafia

Next day lynch SK, and we could win.

Obviously this is the optimal scenario. The fact that I'm now broadcasting it makes it pretty null. I still think rust needs to go (Kiddo didn't even post yet) but I guess lynching mara isn't a terrible decision. I just don't think it's the best.

Oh well though, we'll see how things go tomorrow.

For the record, I feel we should be in agreement that if foulcoon does not kill the majority wish overnight, he's lynched tomorrow. I'd like lilac for reasons I don't even remember (I'm pretty much just carrying over last night's plan)
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Huzzah, I'm getting stupidly killed for stupid reasons such as since everyone is confirmed town then you must be Mafia. As much as you want to think Hito is a corrupt BAT it's not what you think, it's always up to the host.

You can't ask foul to NK me because he can't do it either. What a sham.

That said... Unvote, Vote: Mara. Victory.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Voted for him because of what I stated earlier that he could be the SK. Plus he's really no help to town, regardless of possible language constraints.
LadySuburu
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Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Lilac wrote:

You can't ask foul to NK me because he can't do it either. What a sham.

That said... Unvote, Vote: Mara. Victory.
If you're town, it would be better not to hide tonight if you can hide on consecutive nights. Otherwise you're just confusing us more by making us unsure of both foul and your alignments.
Mara
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Mara

Lilac wrote:

regardless of possible language constraints.
WAT JUU SAI

ME N UNDSTAND
Rolled
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Rolled
I'm considering hammering just to shut him up.

Let's figure out what we're doing with foulcoon though, first.

Foulcoon, who do you feel most comfortable shooting?
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
For foulcoon... If Mara turns out to be town, maybe shoot pieguy? Else...not chris (yet), perhaps Mashley- I could definitely see him as actually mafia and remaining beneath our suspicions.

Meanwhile I'm supposed to be investigating foulcoon while protecting myself?

Also I think it's interesting that the mafia didn't use their "silence" ability today.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I wasn't going to leave tonight anyway.

Also, do you threadblocker role that Rantai has is the roleblocker role? Just think about it.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
And now that akro has mentioned it, the silence role is probably the threadblocker role.
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
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foulcoon
I'd feel pretty comfortable shooting bmin or pieguy.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Mod wrote:

Rantai (Ephemeral) - Threadlocker (aka Executioner) - Nightkilled N2
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executioner, doesn't seem like Rantai's in charge of silencing.

----

@foulcoon- bmin11's been confirmed, and pieguy doesn't seem very scummy. So I guess you'd be okay shooting them.

Oh, reading through the thread I just remembered that two was voting foulcoon right before the day ended yesterday. Then he got shot. Hm...

Guys make sure to lynch foulcoon tomorrow, in case the mafia decide to roleblock and shoot me all at the same time.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

I'd feel pretty comfortable shooting bmin or pieguy.
Pieguy. Don't shoot anyone on Chris's confirmed list, please.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Meanwhile I'm supposed to be investigating foulcoon while protecting myself?
If you can, yes.

Invesigating Foul takes priority.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn

LadySuburu wrote:

Pieguy. Don't shoot anyone on Chris's confirmed list, please.
noooooo don't shoot me :cry:

I'm willing to bet I'm the one vanilla in this game. I seriously doubt there's another one, and if I wasn't vanilla I don't think there'd be zero vanilla, but obviously everyone here thinks otherwise. :?
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Lybydose
Vote Count

LunaticMara (5) - LadySuburu, akrolsmir, pieguy, bmin11, Lilac
foulcoon (1) - Chris
Kiddo-kun (1) - Rolled
bmin11 (1) - foulcoon

6 to lynch

Deadline is in about two and a half hours!
Mara
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Mara
Where is the last vote, people? I'm waiting for that.
Rolled
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Rolled
Okay, foulcoon. If pieguy doesn't die tonight, I'm assuming you're anti-town and will push for your lynch tomorrow. To be honest I don't remember much about pieguy, just that he claimed vanilla, which I find unlikely.

Vote: Mara
Mara
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Mara
TOWN THEME SONG

MORE FLAMING
jk gg
0_o
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0_o
That's the lynch, scene coming in a bit (I think I'll start keeping them more brief as they take a long time >_>)
0_o
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0_o
After a shockingly vulgar and downright untasteful debate in IRC, it was unanimously decided that LunaticMara had to go.

"You will all regret this! Without me your precious IRC will become a chaotic wasteland! Only I am able to decide who may chat!"

They decided to take their chances.

LunaticMara (RemmyX25) - Silencer - Lynched D3

It is now Night 3, you've got 24 hours. Again, you may send actions to either me or Lyby.
0_o
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0_o
Everybody woke up.

There were two players missing.

One of them a widely known butterfly who has a habit of making certain decisions for others without their consent.

The other nobody really noticed was gone until a few hours later. Even when you did, nobody really knew who he was anyway.

LadySuburu (strager) - Vote Redirector - Nightkilled N3
pieguy1372 (Index-san) - Unknown - Nightkilled N3

It is now Day 4, with 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

You have 3 days from this post.

(Sorry if you liked the longer narratives, I'm just tired.)
Lilac
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Lilac
I have almost no doubt now that foulcoon is the SK.

Considering that he went against what he was allocated to do twice, it obviously means he doesn't give a care about the world. That or he's Mafia and was agreed to kill LS with his only other partner.

On top of this, Kiddo-kun has STILL not replied back and considering rust wasn't all clear to begin with, you're in deep trouble as well.
Lilac
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Lilac
Also, I'm having a hypothesis in which...

"No user who is participating in this game can be chosen as a character." - There are several reasons for this. One it would be too confusing as to who is dying and who isn't.

Which leads on to my second point, Chris claimed Two. I find that very unlikely, I don't disagree with his role, I just believe that he is lying with the person he's claiming. Now, why would he do that? It's obvious. The only reason he would, would be to mask his alignment.
Rolled
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Rolled
I switched pieguy and foulcoon last night.

They have a roleblocker, or something similar.
Rolled
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Rolled
Vote: foulcoon

fucking horse shit.
Lilac
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Lilac
Wait, why did you swap foulcoon and pieguy...then voted for foulcoon?

YOU AREN'T MAKING ANY SENSE.
Rolled
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Rolled
Foulcoon was shooting pieguy.

I want foulcoon dead.

I switched pieguy with foulcoon.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Rolled, you weren't roleblocked. My results were redirected to pieguy.

That said, clearly foulcoon didn't try to shoot pieguy or he'd be dead. Mafia tried to kill foulcoon (note Lilac's surprise), foulcoon took out LadySuburu.

Vote: foulcoon, try not to hammer him before we figure out who the mafia are though.
Lilac
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Lilac
Which failed miserably, which then further means he's lying... Right... Well, you know what they say.

Lynch all liars, Vote: foulcoon
Lilac
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Lilac
Actually...

...If you want my opinion, I think foul and Kiddo are the remaining Mafia but my opinion on Chris still stands.
Rolled
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Rolled
Then who is SK, Lilac?
Rolled
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Rolled
Oh, I missed your other post.

Wait, hold on, what the fuck. Where did you find the rule.
Lilac
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Lilac
That's what I'm trying to find out...

...Of course... What if Mashley lied about not being able to kill anyone and only want LS lynched? He probably has a win condition to kill LS himself at night.

I'm just throwing around ideas at this time though, we've got a good 3 days to talk about this.
Lilac
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Lilac
Also, that rule that I said was JUST a hypothesis, it's not necessarily right. I'm said it just because I'm noticing a trend with the users who have passed away.
Rolled
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Rolled

Lilac wrote:

I have almost no doubt now that foulcoon is the SK.

Lilac wrote:

...If you want my opinion, I think foul and Kiddo are the remaining Mafia but my opinion on Chris still stands.
????
Lilac
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Lilac

Rolled wrote:

Lilac wrote:

I have almost no doubt now that foulcoon is the SK.
Rolled
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Rolled
You changed your mind, or doubted yourself within like 10 minutes?
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
HoS: Lilac

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I'm not sure the mafia have a roleblocker at all- we have yet to see a single case, and there were some pretty big targets last night (rolled, me).
---

People who need to talk:

Kiddo- show up please
chris- results?
Mashley- so now what, now that LadySuburu's dead?

Oh, and if anyone hammers foul prematurely go lynch them.
Rolled
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Rolled
Unvote

I don't really want to chance the hammer. Not even sure what's best for town right now.

And I agree. The chance of a roleblocker right now is slim, unless Chris got roleblocked.
Lilac
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Lilac
Look, I'm probably just off some crappy high because I've survived this long and have also just finished reading "Horrendously Unfair Mafia". Don't HoS me.

What ideas I'm throwing now have no correlation with each other so far. Let me put them so. All of these are DIFFERENT situations.

1. Mash is probably SK. Though I said he is, this would throw almost everything out of whack for me. I wouldn't really believe in anyone's roleclaim.

2. foulcoon is probably Mafia. If this is the case, I've retraced my thoughts to think that Kiddo isn't partnering with foul. More rather with Chris...or someone who has a deep influence this far into the game.

3. Kiddo-kun hasn't replied in thread which leads me to think that he's mafia going incognito. I'm believing this is more the case as if he's Mafia, it would explain him wanting foulcoon dead as he believes he is the SK, but led to pieguy dying instead.

4. Chris lied about the user he was. If it turns out that he is mafia (now that I think about it, it's probably unlikely) then he could obviously tell who is town and manipulate it so that he would seem to be town. However, I'm reiterating that this is unlikely.

Yeah, I'll be unvoting... My head hurts now.
Lilac
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Lilac
Hold up, 4 correlates to 2. GOD FRICKIN' DAMNIT.

Oh yeah, off topic here but Rolled, we gotta start collabing with Miracle again. I'm still interested in it.
Rolled
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Rolled
Before I analyze any of this shit I'd like to ask:

Foulcoon: Who did you kill?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
Chris is Mafia.

true
Wojjan
806 posts
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Wojjan
SPOILER

Chris wrote:

Chris is Mafia.

true
brb lolling forever
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Sorry, haven't got the chance to read through this with the homework I have.
I'll just work with what was lately said.
Mashley
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Mashley
So due to LS's death last night my role has changed (obviously that nightkill invalidates my win condition), and I have become a survivor.

While apparently survivor is usually classed as anti-town (or at least, that's what I got from a 2 minute google search), I asked 0_o and he confirmed that I am neutral and can win with either side.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
so what is the point of you existing then if you can't lose
bmin11
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bmin11
Targetted Chris, no result for obvious reason.

That's really unfortunate... I'm still certain Chris is town, because he tested 4 people at a time (he just needs to test one or two to make himself looks real) and calling out his result truthfully even knowing foulcoon is in a bad shape (likely to be lynched).

I'll wait for what foulcoon has to say
Chris_old
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Chris_old
vote: chris

bad setup, making a key role naive is the most retarded thing I've seen in any mafia game ever

lost interest, my role is worse than vanilla town
Mashley
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Mashley

Chris wrote:

so what is the point of you existing then if you can't lose
I lose if I die.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Lilac wrote:

I have almost no doubt now that foulcoon is the SK.

Considering that he went against what he was allocated to do twice, it obviously means he doesn't give a care about the world. That or he's Mafia and was agreed to kill LS with his only other partner.
Whats that? pieguy died and that's who I was supposed to kill? And you said this before you knew Rolled switched me and pieguy?

Lilac = SK

Also, for the lulz I targeted myself last night. I had a feeling Rolled would switch me my target. Seems like I was right, boy is this game getting hilarious :D
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

foulcoon wrote:

Also, for the lulz I targeted myself last night.
hahaha no.

---

Back under suspicion: rust kiddo
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: bmin. Congratulations, Chris's results have somewhat become null and I still don't know what role you claimed.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Lilac wrote:

Vote: bmin. Congratulations, Chris's results have become completely null and I still don't know what role you claimed.
fixed that for you
Lilac
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Lilac
Dude Chris, why so down?

Even though your role is useless, you can still participate and deduce who is anti-town still.
Kiddo-Kun
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*Sigh* Why do I feel if I say anything at all, you guys are going to put a negative twist on it because of the way rust played?
Lilac
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Lilac
That's pretty negative.

Do you want me to vote for you instead?
bmin11
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Lilac wrote:

and I still don't know what role you claimed.

bmin11 wrote:

I'm a 50% chance Detective. If I target the victim (NK'ed) of the night successfully, I'm able to draw the culprit's face. However, I only have 50% chance of doing so because of inconvinient reasons (probably indicating how Daru can't draw so often because of his real life =ㅅ=;;)
Lilac
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...Why did I only remember that now?

Unvote. What. The. Hell?
bmin11
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bmin11
........don't tell me you voted on me just because you thought I didn't role claim.... And why not Kiddo (rust45 during the incident) who refused to role claim even before being Mod Killed? It clearly shows he had no intention of helping townies. I'm really starting to get worry of Kiddo - Lilac alignment now
Lilac
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No, I knew you roleclaimed... I just didn't know whether to believe it or not. It's not like you to make up something that elaborate and believeable anyway.

I was always suspicious of Kiddo/rust, I said it a few pages back too. I'm just getting random people to see what they say because it looks like no-one is caring anymore...
Rolled
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So many people to lynch, so little time.

I think the correct lynch would be foulcoon tonight. There's a very slim chance that he's vigilante, probably a SK that owned me last night.

I'm running out of ideas so just going to keep it simple and Vote: Foulcoon
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Rolled why are you mad that I saw through your plan.

Why can't you just believe me.

P.S. - Vote: Lilac
Rolled
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Rolled
foulcoon, nobody believes your vig claim as awesome as it sounds :P
bmin11
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bmin11
It's really really REALLY hard to believe you would shoot yourself guessing Rolled swapping you and pieguy.


And ya, Vote: foulcoon
Rolled
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bmin11 wrote:

It's really really REALLY hard to believe you would shoot yourself guessing Rolled swapping you and pieguy.


And ya, Vote: foulcoon
Then how do you suggest pieguy died?
bmin11
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Hmm..... Mafia or SK shooting foulcoon?

That's strange... I can't think of who foulcoon would have targetted in that case...
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Mafia shot foul, foul shot LS?
Lilac
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Lilac
Which means he lied...

...again.
0_o
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0_o
Vote Count
foulcoon (3) - akrosmir, Rolled, bmin
Chris (1) - Chris
Lilac (1) - foulcoon
Last edited by 0_o , edited 1 time in total.
Lilac
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I didn't vote for him but okay...

...If that's how you want to play it, 0_o.
0_o
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0_o
shh
Rolled
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Mod: Would a Strongman be able to bypass bus driver's ability? If bus driver switched player x and z, and strongman targeted z, who would die?

Unvote
0_o
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0_o

Rolled wrote:

Mod: Would a Strongman be able to bypass bus driver's ability? If bus driver switched player x and z, and strongman targeted z, who would die?
Sorry, closed setup.
Rolled
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I'm not asking about setup. I'm asking about your hypothetical opinion on the role.
Rolled
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Rolled

MafiaWiki wrote:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks.
I'm not sure if bus driver is considered a protective role.
0_o
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0_o

Rolled wrote:

I'm not asking about setup. I'm asking about your hypothetical opinion on the role.
If you're asking if there could theoretically be a strongman that can penetrate buses, then sure, I'd say it's possible.

EDIT: corrected myself
Rolled
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Rolled
I'm not asking about roleblocks, I'm asking about bus driving.
Rolled
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Rolled
Oh, you ninja. Okay. Change of plans.
akrolsmir
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What makes you think that our SK is a strongman?
Rolled
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Rolled
Foulcoon, I knew you weren't smart enough to target yourself last night ^___^ Let me tell you what actually happened:

Foulcoon is mafia, not SK. I believe either he, or his partner, is Mafia Strongman I was ISOing Lilac, and it seems Commuter is the only role that can bypass a Strongman kill, hence it makes sense that Lilac is commuter, and is likely to be protown. Thus, on night three, LS was killed by the serial killer, pieguy was killed by mafia.

Confirmed Town:
Rolled
Akro
Chris
Lilac?

Confirmed Mafia:
Foulcoon

Unknown:
Mashley
Kiddo-kun
bmin11

One at a time:
Mashley ISO
Claims peppy, who's goal in this game is to lynch strager (LS). Believable story. If Mashley was mafia, this would be a brave/bad play, as he is pretty much saying "I am not town, and I have no chance of winning this game." It's similarly brave/bad if he's SK, opening the door for town to lynch him.

Upon LS's death, Mashley claimed that his "win condition is invalidated." What I don't understand is, why are you now a survivor winning with either side? Wouldn't you have already lost the game? Half-win, perhaps? Please elaborate a little, Mashley.

Kiddo-Kun || (rust) ISO:
Needless to say, there isn't shit here. I've stated my suspicions for rust already, and I still hold to them (and they are now supported by Chris being insane/naive.) Rust didn't say shit this whole game, and when I confronted him about it, his response was (paraphrasing) "Why do I need to post when I'm confirmed pro-town?"

You aren't confirmed anymore, Kiddo. So unless you do some quick explaining, you're mafia. You haven't even claimed a role, ffs. Let alone contribute to town.

Bmin ISO:
This one's a bit harder to dissect. Definitely the user who contributes the most, out of the three, by a long shot.
Claimed Daru, equipped with a Daru-ish ability. One thing struck me odd, though:

Bmin wrote:

I'm a 50% chance Detective. If I target the victim (NK'ed) of the night successfully, I'm able to draw the culprit's face

MafiaWiki - Detective wrote:

This role has the ability to track one person's activity each night.
So, if you are the detective as you claim, you have quite the odd ability, for being a detective. The ability you claim to have is not standard to what a normal Detective consists of. In fact, if you were a "100% chance detective," that's still even a much weaker role compared to a standard detective. Do you have any opinions on this subject?

Also noting, I couldn't find "Detective" on the standard mafia wiki. I had to use This One. Couldn't check if there were any variations, such as Chance Detective.
Rolled
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Mod: Hypothetical, again ^_^

What exactly is a standard win condition for mafia? Is it just to outnumber town?

ie. 2 town, 2 neutral (both separate) and 3 mafia. Does mafia win in this scenario?
foulcoon
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Simply put: I'm sorry Rolled, you're wrong.

I'm probably going to be lynched anyways because nobody thinks I'm smart enough to see through Rolled's super obvious plan. If he was going to vote for my lynch the next day, why wouldn't I pick up on this. Pretty sure Rolled has thought I am mafia this whole time.

thazzit
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No I thought you were SK this whole time.

Thanks for further eliminating the possibility, though.
foulcoon
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Not like it matters, they're both anti-town and both wrong. I don't get why that is incriminating at all.
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If you were SK/town, you would have said "pretty sure Rolled thought I was SK this whole time."

If you were mafia/town, you would have said "pretty sure Rolled thought I was mafia this whole time."

There's a 0 chance of you being vigilante.

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Lybydose
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The Mafia wins when every player who is not mafia is dead, or the game reaches a state where absolutely nothing (taking all living roles into account) can prevent them from winning. In other words, if the mafia can still conceivably lose based on a certain series of actions (no matter how unlikely), the game will continue.

In your given example, it's still possible for mafia to get lynched since all four non-mafia players can vote a mafioso, so the game continues.
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kk ty lyby

4 town, 2 mafia, 2 independent

If we lynch SK D4, d5= 3 town, 2 mafia, 1 independent. Should be auto-win from then on.

If we lynch mafia D4, d5= 2 town, 1 mafia, 2 independent. D5 we need to lynch SK, or we lose.

If we lynch independent (Mashley) D4, d5= 2 town, 2 mafia, 1 SK. We would need to rely on SK to win, no thanks.

Today we need to lynch Kiddo or bmin. Pretty sure if we lynch the other one D5, town will win.

..maybe? Ideas?
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Another thing: In the event of a tie during the day (2 town vs. 2 mafia or similar) in which the lynch is "lol whoever posts first", the mafia will win.
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I don't quite agree with the conclusion that there is a strongman, just based on the fact that pieguy died. Lilac's failure to die doesn't reinforce this point- that is, if he were really a commuter he would have lived regardless of the presence of a strongman or not. Isn't it more likely that someone was targeting foulcoon and it got switched to pieguy?

I'd think that mafia are foulcoon and lilac, with SK being Mashley/Kiddo.

(Ninja'd beyond belief. This had been in response to rolled's post with ISOs)
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Any opinions on the whole bmin detective bit?
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Rolled wrote:

Mod: Hypothetical, again ^_^

What exactly is a standard win condition for mafia? Is it just to outnumber town?

ie. 2 town, 2 neutral (both separate) and 3 mafia. Does mafia win in this scenario?
The mafia's goal is to be the only faction left alive, thus they win when nothing can prevent that from happening.

EDIT: WOW I just realized how badly I was ninja'd
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Hey faceman would you create your own variation of a role without it being available on a wiki or something somewhere? :lol:
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