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Rantai
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If a town is lynched and we assume both the mafia and kidnapper guy is alive... that leaves us with 3.

So any of these could happen:

Town wins because both the kidnapper and mafia targeted each other.
Mafia wins because the kidnapper and the townie get killed/kidnapped respectively.
Kidnapper and mafia win because they both target the townie.

However you bring up a good point about people coming back. Assuming it works that way the only way town would lose on a mislynch is via the 3rd scenario. But I have no idea how the kidnapper works, I'm going to assume the worst and guess that they don't come back.

I'm at a loss on how to approach this, the only lead I have is my suspicion of Q.
Quaraezha
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I want to hear from faceman and foulcoon, they seem to be too quiet.
foulcoon
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Quaraezha wrote:

I want to hear from faceman and foulcoon, they seem to be too quiet.
LOL what a hypocrite. Sorry for sleeping sir.

I have to go to school so I'll post later.
0_o
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foulcoon wrote:

Sorry for sleeping sir.

I have to go to school so I'll post later.
0_o
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aaaaand class ended super early because it was the first day.

So OK, I dunno about you guys but I've been considering the "kidnapper" to be a serial killer/janitor. If this is the case, then, as crazy as this might sound, the only way for the town to win is if neither the mafia nor SK is lynched today. Here are the scenarios:

1. Mafia is lynched
N4: 2 townies + 1 SK
D5: 1 townie + 1 SK
SK win = 100%

2. SK is lynched
N4: 2 townies + 1 mafia
D5: 1 townie + 1 mafia
Mafia win = 100%

3. Townie is lynched
N4: 1 townie + 1 mafia + 1 SK
Assuming random kills, the possible outcomes are as follows:
SK kills townie, mafia kills townie - mafia + SK win
SK kills townie, mafia kills SK - mafia win
SK kills mafia, mafia kills townie - SK win
SK kills mafia, mafia kills SK - town win
Town win = 25%

4. No lynch
N4: 2 townies + 1 mafia + 1 SK
SK kills townie A, mafia kills townie A | D5 = 1 townie, 1 SK, 1 mafia
SK kills townie A, mafia kills townie B | mafia + SK win
SK kills townie A, mafia kills SK | mafia win
SK kills townie B, mafia kills townie A | mafia + SK win
SK kills townie B, mafia kills townie B | D5 = 1 townie, 1 SK, 1 mafia
SK kills townie B, mafia kills SK | mafia win
SK kills mafia, mafia kills townie A | SK win
SK kills mafia, mafia kills townie B | SK win
SK kills mafia, mafia kills SK | town win
Town win = 11% (not counting the the D5 scenarios)

For the D5 situations:
Townie lynch = SK + mafia win
Mafia lynch = SK win
SK lynch = mafia win
No lynch = (see scenario 3.)

So it seems to me that the best chance the town has of winning is if a townie is lynched today. I'll volunteer to be the lynchee if you guys are ok with this.
0_o
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Hmm... I just realized there's also the possibility that Lilac was scum and we only have 3 townies + SK.. in this case a no lynch would be our best scenario as we have better odds with 2 townies + SK...

What do you guys think?
0_o
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Actually, based on voting patterns D1, particularly being attacked by both Wojjan and Kiddo, I am leaning towards Lilac being pro-town. Thus I still support my initial idea.
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Rantai
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Oh wow, I didn't realise the situation was that bad...

What if Lilac was the mafia member?

A town lynch would shoot town in the foot. A no lynch would be better, but we have no way to tell.

Though it does give the best chance if the mafia wasn't killed.

Rargh the possibilities.
Rantai
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You ninja, got there before me.
Rantai
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0_o wrote:

Actually, based on voting patterns D1, particularly being attacked by both Wojjan and Kiddo, I am leaning towards Lilac being pro-town. Thus I still support my initial idea.
Triple post.

Then again Kiddo was attacked by Lilac and Wojjan D1 too, so I think that's not much to work on.
Quaraezha
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But that's assuming that the anti-town permanently kills people.
At this situation, they're just hiding.
But then again, they might as well be dead if the anti-town is still alive.
Rantai
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If they do come back then a no lynch is best for sure because if it's wrong town still has a chance opposed to a correct lynch with the wrong assumption.

Starting to lean no lynch... do we have any other ideas?
Quaraezha
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But then again, what if the Mafia is the one hiding people?
Rantai
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It's essentially the same situation isn't it?

Both anti-town, one is killing, one is hiding.

---- Be back in the morning.
0_o
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It's been 3 days since the first missing person; I'm pretty sure it's safe to say they aren't coming back.
foulcoon
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Sorry I haven't posted, didn't have wifi available until now.

I'm inclined to believe facemans claim. I think a no lynch is a bad idea though. I also really don't feel comfortable lynching faceman in a 25% chance to win siutation.

Honest opinion? The mafia is probably Q as he bandwagoned and was lurking the whole game. He didn't get active in dicussion until both other mafia members were lynched.
foulcoon
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On the other hand, I think he voted for both mafia lynches (on my phone and too lazy to check) so he's either a really smart mafia and asshole teammate, or a pro-town role.
foulcoon
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Triple posttttt

I have like 5 hours til next class so expect me to check this frequently, but I'm going to eat now~
0_o
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Here's the thing though, the only person we should be deciding if they are mafia or not is Lilac:
If he was the final scum, then a no-lynch is the town's best shot.
If he was pro-town, then our best bet is to lynch me.

I'm gonna go reread Lilac's posts to get a better read on him...
0_o
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Alright yeah, unless the mafia agreed to sacrifice eachother before the game started I really don't think Lilac is scum; there was just too much conflict with Wojjan and Kiddo.
While it's true that Wojjan attacked Kiddo once at the beginning of the game, he brushed it off shortly afterwards saying it was to get a reaction.
And yeah they could have been distancing, but at the beginning of Day 2 when the mafia was already down a member AND there was a potential serial killer, Lilac went straight for Kiddo. I don't know about you, but if I were mafia in that situation I would have tried to dig my partner out of that hole at least little bit.
foulcoon
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that Rantai is the most likely candidate to be mafia.
Rantai
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Roleclaim: 1 shot Jailkeeper

I've used it already though, on foulcoon night 2. Why you ask? Because I was paranoid I wouldn't get to use it (considering I was away at manifest for most of that day, I could've been an easy NK) and I had a gut feeling that someone would attack foulcoon to make LS look bad (at the time I believed both were town).

Incidentally no one was shot that night. But that could have been from LS blocking the kill too (assuming that doctor role was not bogus).

I guess it's up to you to believe me or not, but that's all I've got. If you do, I'll follow the no lynch, if not I'll follow the 0_o lynch.

Just for note: I still think Lilac was the last mafia (my biggest gripe still being the statements he gave 1st day). Giving him the benefit of the doubt beforehand was a mistake on my part.
Quaraezha
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I was thinking that what if the last mafia was already hidden
and then I realized that if that were the case, it would be Lilac since only Mafia can Nightkill and one was NK'd last night.
So yeah, if Lilac was the last Mafia member that makes it 3 town vs 1 anti-town.
If we're gonna lynch faceman, assuming that he is town, will lead to a 1 town vs 1 anti-town, so town loses.

But then again, there's still a possibility that the last mafia is still among us.

Also, what's a Sheriff/Weak Lover/Jailkeeper?
Rantai
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I asked about Sheriff, I was told it's basically a renamed cop.

Weak lover? I honestly have no idea. I am guessing a normal lover that doesn't die if their partner dies? But if they died the other lover dies.

Jailkeeper is a doctor and roleblocker in the same action. (ie they will protect and roleblock the same target)
Quaraezha
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So wait, then shouldn't there be another Lover?
If there is, he/she is probably hidden. I dunno.
Rantai
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My guess is hidden (assuming my definition is right)

Ie weak lover didn't die when his lover was kidnapped.
0_o
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Well according the the wiki, the Weak modifier makes it so the player dies if they target a mafia role. This doesn't really make sense for a lover though, as no selections or night actions are usually involved...

But remember what the story said:
"I'm tired of waiting to see if you return, I'm just going to end it all now!"
To me it seems like his lover went "missing." It's possible that going missing doesn't trigger the lover suicide, but it's also possible that Lilac was his lover.
Quaraezha
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Can a Mafia Goon be a Lover at the same time?
It is a possibility.
Rantai
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Yeah a goon can be a lover. I think in another game, Two was a lover and naptime died with him (Mafia/town respectively)
foulcoon
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Rantai wrote:

Roleclaim: 1 shot Jailkeeper

I've used it already though, on foulcoon night 2. Why you ask? Because I was paranoid I wouldn't get to use it (considering I was away at manifest for most of that day, I could've been an easy NK) and I had a gut feeling that someone would attack foulcoon to make LS look bad (at the time I believed both were town).
I was not roleblocked on night 2.

HoS: Rantai
Rantai
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>:D

And I think I just figured out who our SK is. Damn I could've sworn it was Q but apparently not.
0_o
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aaand I'm confused.

I take it from the ">:D" that you were lying about the jailkeeper thing, right?
Rantai
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Yeah, I don't actually have anything special :(
foulcoon
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Time to stir the pot :D

Truth is I -- AM -- the "SK" you guys are referring to (aka kidnapper).

Roleclaim: Contract Killer

My role basically states that I have to eliminate 3 people by games end. These 3 people were Wojjan, akrolsmir, and LadySuburu. When I kill someone, I hide their body and learn their role.

Before you vote me or tell me I'm stupid hear me out here. Since I had already eliminated all my targets by day 3, I asked the mod a question. I asked if I only win as last man standing, or if I could win with town or mafia. The mod responded that I was able to win after my 3 targets were dead, and any other faction got their win condition.

Truth is, I'm really hoping to win with town as mafia was already down 2 members at this point, and I was positive that there's only 1 mafia member left.

akrolsmir was a Strong Lover (I actually thought he was lovers with Two and that's how he died on Night 1)

LadySuburu was the Doctor (but we all pretty much knew that)

Lilac was a townie. I actually greatly regret killing him. I just didn't like the way that he was talking, and it just made him seem suspicious. I sent it with about an hour left in the night so it was rushed and I didn't check the voting history. Had I checked this, I would have killed Rantai, but I'm actually not so sure hes mafia either anymore.


This reason I'm telling you guys this is to keep you from lynching 0_o if we truly believe he is town. I am having second thoughts though, as Lilac is confirmed townie (to me at least) and I'm not so sure there would be 2 regular townies in a 12 person game with 4 anti-town players. A no lynch also seems like a very bad idea to me. Another reason I posted this was to discount any possibly theories you guys had about the missing players coming back from hiding. I can assure you they are dead.

I guess the other reason I'm posting this is to guarantee myself immunity. I think you'll find it hard for me to bullshit this, and you guys all know that if you lynch me today that town will ultimately lose (next day will be 1 mafia 1 town).



NOW - I would really like to hear Rantai's roleclaim. If Rantai claims townie then I'm going to find it really hard to believe that there were 3 vanilla townies in a 12 person game...
Quaraezha
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So if we lynch Mafia today, will you hide/kill somebody tonight?
Or does the game end and town (plus you) wins?
0_o
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Quaraezha wrote:

So if we lynch Mafia today, will you hide/kill somebody tonight?
If we lynch mafia today, then (according to him) it's a town/killer win.
Rantai
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Well I'm glad I was able to turn my nothing into a reveal. Sorry to disappoint but I'm just a vanilla.

That looks like either a legit roleclaim or a very elaborate lie. It all fits perfectly though... I'll believe it.

The part I don't believe though is you have won, because you didn't personally eliminate Wojjan. If I were to hazard a guess, you can only win as a regular serial killer and looking for the guaranteed self win.
Quaraezha
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Alright.

So basically, it's safe to assume that:
2 town, 1 killer and 1 mafia

Town wins if Mafia is lynched
Is there still a possibility that town can still win if Town is lynched today?

Also, now we I know that foulcoon is killer, faceman is most likely to be townie.
I know I'm townie so

Vote: Rantai
Rantai
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How suspicious.

Vote: Quaraezha

I'll also agree that 0_o is most probably town leaving just you left, I know what I am (read:above).
Rantai
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Wow I guess hitting submit early is something I can't avoid.

*Nothing else to work on and at least if I was wrong about foulcoon this is the better option.
Quaraezha
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foulcoon wrote:

On the other hand, I think Q voted for both mafia lynches (on my phone and too lazy to check) so he's either a really smart mafia and asshole teammate, or a pro-town role.
I don't think I can ever be a smart mafia and lynch my teammates.
Rantai
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I'll be back in a few hours. Just incase you wanted me to say something later on.
Rantai
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Actually you know what, before I leave - wifom wifom wifom.

Honestly I have no idea what you're capable of.
rust45
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The day has been extended by one day due to site being down.
Rantai
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Silly data center.
0_o
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Rantai, could you explain how foulcoon's reaction to your jailkeeper claim made you think he was the SK? I still haven't been able to figure that out...
foulcoon
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Everyone else claimed town and I said that I wasn't roleblocked. That means I admitted that I had a role with a night action, which would be a massive mafia slip-up. I assume that he thought I was the SK because no mafia member in their right mind would admit to that. I had no problem saying this because I have nothing to hide, and my role permits me to win with either town or mafia.
Rantai
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At the time I believed we had no aux roles left considering our cop and doctor was dead (lover was a surprise), that was going by the standard set ups I had seen before (I think it was like 2-3 aux roles and the rest vanilla). So I false claimed to see what foulcoon was going to say because I knew I was vanilla, I was certain you were vanilla leaving just Q or foulcoon left for the SK position (I thought Lilac was mafia). foulcoon confirmed him as the SK as he bluntly stated he wasn't role blocked making me think he wasn't lying, meaning he had to be the only active role left (SK).
foulcoon
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On another note, I'm starting to believe Rantai is a townie, because the mafia member would have no reason to out me as the Contract Killer because nobody will vote for me now. Voting for me guarantees a mafia win.

I also am inclined to believe that 0_o is town because he was willing to sacrifice himself for town to win. That's either a bold claim to keep suspicion off, or a town claim with great logic.

Even if we lynch a town today, its still possible for town to win, or at least for me to win.

Vote: Quaraezha
Rantai
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Be back in 4 hours.
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And I'm back for anyone that cares.

I've been thinking. foulcoon you win with town correct? Reading over your posts you seem to win with them even when dead (as long as your kill quota is filled). I am still kind of wary of that. What I propose is we no lynch.

Let's take a dive into the possibilities -

What I believe will happen is we lynch Q, he turns out mafia. There is just the SK and 2 town left. If you are telling the truth about your town win condition we all win, if you're a lying scumbag I mean this with as much love as possible we've just shot ourselves in the foot.

We no lynch. SK and mafia kill each other, 2 townies left - all but the mafia wins if you are telling the truth. If not we win.

As I see it there is much less risk of us losing through the no lynch, as it covers us if you really are lying.

I might be missing something, thoughts?
Quaraezha
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We can only hope that SK and Mafia kills each other if we no lynch
We can only hope that SK doesn't kill anybody at night if we lynch Mafia
foulcoon
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Let me clear up some misconceptions.

I do not win unless I am alive at endgame.

The company does not care how my targets die or even if I am the one who killed them, as long as they die.

I can with with mafia, or town.

I win when any side wins.


And for the finale: We don't know 100% that Q is the mafia, so a nolynch might fuck us anyways.
Rantai
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Ahh ok I guess I misunderstood, scratch that then.
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Er, that assumption, that is.
Rantai
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Ugh alright fine, I can't see a better alternative. I just hope you're not lying about winning with town or I'll be raging. (Hypothetically speaking)
0_o
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You know what, let's just do this.

Vote Quar.

If he's town, then it's up to you two to decide who loses :P

And foul, if you're lying about your win condition then screw you <3
Rantai
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Actually I'll be even more rage if 0_o isn't town.

Oh well that's that, let's see what rust has to say.
Quaraezha
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Bleh, you might as well plan ahead 'cause I really am Vanilla Townie.
And if faceman really was the Mafia and used reverse reverse psychology or whatever.
Then well played.
rust45
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Final Vote Count:
Quaraezha (3) - 0_o Rantai Foulcoon
Rantai (1) - Quaraezha

The show was down to the last few contestants, and viewers were wondering what was going to happen. The sudden reveal that foulcoon was secretly "sending other players home" was quite interesting but it did leave a bad taste for some of the viewers. But after the reveal the players decided to not bother with him and set their sights on another player. The announcer spoke, "Quaraezha is being sent home tonight, and it almost unanimous. We appreciate the time he took into the game."

What actually transpired: The men from before came, however they looked rather weary and tired of the game. Instead of grabbing Quaraezha and taking him to his death, one just took a simple handgun from his pocket and shot Quaraezha in the right temple. The announcer spoke to the players, "It's a shame really, you started off rather well, getting two of the mafia with ease. But now you've lynched two people who had nothing up their sleeves. Quaraezha was just another townie, and you ended his life prematurely."

Quaraezha - Townie (Lynched D4)

It is now night, please send all night actions within in 48 hours. If all actions are received by that time, the day will start.
rust45
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Millions crowded around TVs as the season finale of The Mafia had come. They all wanted to see what was going to happen over the night and how the game would end. The announcer spoke to the viewers,"In this special episode of The Mafia we are going to recreate what would've transpired during the evening for the players, if the game were real." Although unknown to the viewers, they were being shown what exactly had happened, with the faces blurred out so they couldn't be recognized.

foulcoon was walking towards Rantai's room with a knife in his hand, his intent was to kill him so he could get out. But Rantai had his own plans, and he was heading to foulcoon's with a gun in his hand. The two stopped in the plaza and hid behind the fountain on opposite ends to plan out exactly how they would execute their murder. Rantai finished his plan first and continued on to foulcoon's room. However foulcoon saw him pass by and took the chance to cover Rantai's mouth and stab him in the back at the same time. Rantai however, had good reflexes, and managed to aim his gun behind him and shoot his assailant. The two then fell dead.

In the morning only one person awoke and arrived for role call. It was 0_o. He found the two bodies in the plaza, and decided to check foulcoon's claim that he was making people disappear for a company. He went through his pockets and found a list of people. "Wojjan, akrolsmir, and LadySuburu" were all on the list and crossed off. Lilac appeared to be added to list by foulcoon himself. The announcer than spoke to the lone winner, "By the book this is a town win, but it's not a very good town win as all your fellow friends are dead. But regardless, you have won and you shall be getting the prize money and the like. This was a very exciting game to say the least though, we didn't even know there would be someone killing others just for more money. For the record, we made foulcoon just a normal town, but I'm assuming he wouldn't care about the prize money here since I'm sure he would've gotten a fortune for silencing those three. But that's enough out of me, your boat home is ready, you may leave when you wish."

Rantai - Mafia Goon (Killed N4)
foucoon - Contract Killer (Killed N4)

Town Wins!

Next post will have various info.
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Cool, I was wrong about what would happen the last night. Both Foul and Rantai did figure eachother out finally and allowed us the win. Yay.

Rantai, next time don't claim Mafia on the last day when caught. I'm extremely suprised you weren't lynched.

Edit: In case you don't know what I'm talking about:

Rantai wrote:

>:D

And I think I just figured out who our SK is. Damn I could've sworn it was Q but apparently not.
The false claim + The face (Which is basically admitting), + The statement about figuring out who the SK is. Although it is possible for someone in the town to figure out that's what foul was refering to (before the claim), they also could've guessed that foul had some sort of power role.

Though really, it was the fake claim and the face. I am serious about the face.
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I got to get to school so the info post will have to wait. If the mafia and dead players want to share links to their quicktopics, I'm fine with that.
LadySuburu
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Oh, I should mention to enter the dead players chat at your own risk. Any offense taken is entirely your fault. (Not that I personally said anything I'd consider offensive.)

SPOILER
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WNLjXkrdnRBx

Dead players chat.

Boom!
Rantai
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Well actually, to be honest, I thought everyone already knew I was mafia before my claim. I am equally amazed I wasn't lynched that day.

But hey, that could have gone a lot worse.

Oh I already think I know what I'm going to see in that quicktopic.
LadySuburu
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Rantai wrote:

Well actually, to be honest, I thought everyone already knew I was mafia before my claim. I am equally amazed I wasn't lynched that day.

But hey, that could have gone a lot worse.

Oh I already think I know what I'm going to see in that quicktopic.
I'd ask for the quicktopic link to mafia chat, but I'm not sure if Wojj/Kiddo want it shared.
Rantai
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Don't worry about it this time, I did 90% of the talking (even talking to myself ;_;). Wojjan didn't even get to say a word.

http://quicktopic.com/46/H/Y4iNsybVPmY6k
LadySuburu
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Rantai wrote:

Don't worry about it this time, I did 90% of the talking (even talking to myself ;_;). Wojjan didn't even get to say a word.

http://quicktopic.com/46/H/Y4iNsybVPmY6k
Cool, I did protect foul N2. Seems like I predicted the NK correctly.
Rantai
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Yeah, actually if you hadn't done that I suspect things would've been a lot smoother for me D:

Oh and about the face, how does it signify I'm mafia? I use it to show I'm joking or like a reaction from you, it's the way I express myself in that department.

Edit: Oh yeah the reason I claimed was because I thought foulcoon was town and wanted to use my failure of a NK as a last ditch defense. When that backfired I was went oh %#$ and yeah you saw the results of that.
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0_o
woo

Regarding Rantai's post, I was already under the impression that he was taking some sort of gambit since 1-shot jailkeeper was just too strange of a role. Nonetheless, I really didn't put a whole lot of effort into finding the other mafia because I really did believe that the mafia/SK would target eachother if they both survived (see the Prisoner's Dilemma].

EDIT: Well THAT, and my heart wasn't into this game as much as you guys who were in it from the beginning :P
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Rantai was totally Mafia :V
Rantai
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Rantai
On a side note, stop giving me mafia roles! XD

I think that's like 4/6 now.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

Yeah, actually if you hadn't done that I suspect things would've been a lot smoother for me D:

Oh and about the face, how does it signify I'm mafia? I use it to show I'm joking or like a reaction from you, it's the way I express myself in that department.

Edit: Oh yeah the reason I claimed was because I thought foulcoon was town and wanted to use my failure of a NK as a last ditch defense. When that backfired I was went oh %#$ and yeah you saw the results of that.
It's in combination with the false claim backfiring. Of course it might just be the way I read the emoticon

>:D = Evil / Cunning Smile

:D = Happy normal smile

:) = Nobody uses this emote anymore


I only ever use >:D or related emoticons when people say things like "You're so evil." or related things to me. (I get that a lot when I RP.)
Rantai
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Rantai
Ahh yeah I figured it would be down to interpretation, I guess I'll use more generic/neutral emoticons.
0_o
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0_o
See, since I already thought he was gambitting I thought his smiley implied "Teehee, I lied! Caught you!"
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

0_o wrote:

See, since I already thought he was gambitting I thought his smiley implied "Teehee, I lied! Caught you!"
Just because it's fitting, even though I don't always follow it.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... _All_Liars
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh!

I would like to know how a more experienced player would have handled that situation, before my gambit.

The more I learn, the better.
0_o
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0_o

LadySuburu wrote:

0_o wrote:

See, since I already thought he was gambitting I thought his smiley implied "Teehee, I lied! Caught you!"
Just because it's fitting, even though I don't always follow it.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... _All_Liars
Yeah I'm aware of that, but given the unique situation and the fact that it was Lylo, I figured a policy lynch wasn't the best choice. I was actually trying to think of some gambit I could make myself before the roleclaims, so that also made it more forgivable from my point of view.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

Oh!

I would like to know how a more experienced player would have handled that situation, before my gambit.

The more I learn, the better.
I also would've gambited, or waited / built a case on another player. Unfortunately 0_o had basically proven himself town at that point so the only real option would be to find and lynch the SK as mafia.

As for the gambit, 1-shot doctor might've been a better choice if you were going for a protection role. However, as a stand-alone ability a one-shot doctor is rarely used, so claiming maybe a one-shot doc/cop/tracker and giving false results based on people who died or who would've had no targets would've worked out.


Dunno, I can't say unless I'm in the position myself. I'm not really good at mafia (though I've been getting better apperently.)

I still dislike being mafia.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
I should have stayed with my gut feeling zzzzz, TBH I was going to kill 0_o because I figured maybe Rantai would target him as well, then I realized mafia are always greedy cunts who don't want to share a win. Oh well, gj town!

P.S.

Two said:

well obviously foulcoon is mafia
LOLOLOL


Lilac said:

Qua is totally SK. Watch him slowly get active.

Two said (later):

d'uhhh foulcoon is town obviously

gg
0_o
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0_o
I particularly enjoyed this one:

Two wrote:

the mafia list can't be wojjan, rantai, kiddo-kun
Rantai
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Rantai

foulcoon wrote:

I should have stayed with my gut feeling zzzzz, TBH I was going to kill 0_o because I figured maybe Rantai would target him as well, then I realized mafia are always greedy cunts who don't want to share a win. Oh well, gj town!
I wonder, had I openly admitted to mafia, would you have worked with me to kill all the town?

Because I was thiiiis close to trying to make a deal with you.
Two_old
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Two_old
while 0_o has a right to poke fun at the comment he quoted, foulcoon you really don't since you were anti-town (oh and you lost this game)

that said, you're all welcome for the win
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh you.
rust45
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rust45
ScumChat: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Y4iNsybVPmY6k
DeadChat: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WNLjXkrdnRBx

Role List:
1. LadySuburu | Doctor
2. akrolsmir | Strong Lover
3. animask | Townie
4. Rantai | Goon
5. adam | Townie
6. Kiddo-Kun | Roleblocker
7. Lybydose | Weak Lover
8. Quaraezha | Townie
9. Wojjan | Goon
10. foulcoon | Contract Killer
11. Lilac | Townie
12. Two | Sheriff

Made Up Roles and Retrospective:
Contract Killer
SPOILER
You are a Contract Killer. You have been hired by a company to kill selected people that have wronged them. The company does not care about your methods, or whether or not you killed them, they just want them dead. Your only ability is to kill at night. When you kill at night you're able to hide the body and learn the role of your victim. At the beginning of the game, you will receive a list of three people, they must be killed for you to win.

You win when all your targets are dead and you're alive at endgame.
I kinda like this role, it's a more balanced SK to me. Only needs to kill three (all of which are random) and it caused some interesting conversations in this game. A problem I do have with it though is that the randomness of the targets can make it really hard for town or mafia to win depending on the roles of targets. If I use this again, it will be in a large game to balance it more.

Sheriff
SPOILER
You are a Sheriff. In the spirit of John Wayne, you've decided to take the law into your own hands. Every night you may choose to either investigate a player, or kill a player. Investigation results will consist of "anti-town" or "pro-town". Due to your position as Sheriff, your sanity is assured.

You win with the town.
Notes: A contract killer that doesn't have any townies left on its list to kill will come up as pro-town.
I didn't get to see this role in action, but I thought it was a pretty cool idea and I would have to use it again to see how it would work.

Lovers
SPOILER
Strong Lover: You are a Strong Lover. You are deeply in love with "XXXX", and they are deeply in love with you. If your lover dies you feel pain, but you are able to deal with it. But if you die, your lover is unable to deal with the pain and will commit suicide upon your death. Any hinting that you are in love with "XXXX" will result in a modkill and will leave your lover alive.

You win with the town.

Weak Lover: You are a Weak Lover. You are deeply in love with "XXXX", and they are deeply in love with you. If your lover dies, you are unable to handle the pain and you commit suicide when you find out that they're dead. But you also know that your lover is stronger than you and would be able to handle your death. But you are also hopeful, if your lover is simply missing, you hope that they'll come back. If they go missing and are found at endgame dead, you'll have dealt with the pain and will be able to move on. Any hinting that you are in love with "XXXX" will result in a modkill.

You win with the town.
Kinda strong for town as I did tell them that they were both town, and that the weak lover could say without a doubt they know the strong lover is town if they are about to die. But I thought it was an interesting twist on typical lover roles. The only thing I might change about it is that I would make it so if the strong lover disappears, than after a couple days, the weak lover will commit suicide.

I really don't feel like commenting on the players but I will say this, why did you vote Q?
0_o
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0_o

rust45 wrote:

I really don't feel like commenting on the players but I will say this, why did you vote Q?
The vote was Q:2 R:1, and from my (not all that thorough) readthrough, they both seemed fairly neutral. So since I thought we had a decent shot either way I just went with foul since I knew he was definitely looking for mafia. If foul was voting for Rantai at that point I probably would have too :P
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Knowing Lybydose as a confirmed town with little drawback was pretty nice, especially since otherwise I would have been suspicious of him.

Anyways, pretty cool first game :D
Lybydose
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Lybydose
I was trying to become extremely suspicious because I figured you were going to be lynched and it's better that I get lynched instead of you. I would then claim "akrolsmir is town" right before being lynched myself. Didn't work; no one voted for me because Wojjan and Kiddo-kun decided to roleclaim.
Lilac
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Lilac
Man, I sucked so bad.

At guessing who was SK.
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