Elly-chan wrote:

Ask Selee, Sakura James or Shiirn they helped me the most. XD Oh I asked to Derekku <_< I can ask about it in #modhelp maybe o.o

MINEY!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MY WAIFU!!Also, put Updates in a spoiler box? XD WHY DIDN'T I DO THIS BEFORE

*looking over map before modding* Looks good already o.o *blushes*

[General]
Delete .osb and full submit. I deleted it 3 times omg

[Beginner Riddle]
http://puu.sh/4nSE Hell Yeah Hon IT'S A SMILEY FACE-- wait what. Did you know, nobody noticed that until now. ;_;
Good Diff. Can't find any problems.

.. Where's the normal mode? Actually, possible riddle is my normalish (we can say normal+) diff. But osu says "it's hard" xD

[Possible riddle]
00:23:511 - Make this pattern a bit more flow-y? tried something
00:35:261 (1 - 5) - Please do something other then this.. ;~; it is boring. what should I do omg ;_;
00:38:011 (1, 2) - Keep with old combo then make 3 a new combo sure
01:14:261 - Make this part of blue's combo plz. fixed
Fine then.

[T12's puzzle riddle]
.. What is this I don't even. ;-; I see no patterns. Personally If I were you i'd delete this diff, no offence. D:

[Satan's thingie]
PRO MAP... Except for one thing. The slider velocity. Wayy too high in my opinion.. Consider making it lower?


*After modding*
miney i think i love you Elly i love you too. my waifu.

TTTTTTTTTTTT wrote:

add kiai:k
pieguy:k k k

↓↓↓↓↓

[attachment=0:29ea1]07th Expansion - The Great Detective Knows (UnderminE) [T12's Puzzle Riddle].osu[/attachment:29ea1]

1. 00:29:636 (3) - This spacing of 2,3 is a bit close, it's eye visble spacing of 2,3 is large than 3,4
2. 01:01:636 (4) - ^
3. 01:33:636 (4) - ^

1. 00:17:386 (1,2) - The end of slider 1 is the same to the start of slider 2
2. 00:33:386 (3,4) - ^

Raging Bull wrote:

General:
Add H-Boy to tag since that was TTTTT..... previous username. (And remove T12 if you want unless T12 is also one of his most called names) kay

Easy:
Seems okay. But your arches. Try placing points like this instead of like this. (I reversed select, so it's not really like that in the map) I think it seems fine.
01:12:261 (1) - I would say start mapping here just like normal for consistency. (And it's a long break) It's long because it's an easy diff. Other break is short for easy players.

Possible:
Lower AR by 1. Actually It was like that but it ruined the break. So we added +1 to it.
00:17:261 (2) - Don't use kick sliders yet. Beginners don't know how long to hold/when to click next note. I would do something like this. http://puu.sh/4pxTfixed
00:25:261 (3) - ^ tried something like that
00:41:261 (3) - ^ fixed
00:49:261 (2) - ^ fixed
00:57:261 (2) - ^ fixed
01:12:261 (1,2,3) - Tricky spacing. 1,2 are 1/1. 2,3 are 1/2, but both are placed at the same distance. Space 1,2 or 2,3 correctly. kay
01:21:261 (2) - Yeah kick slider. mhm
01:29:261 (2) - ^ fixed
Any other kick sliders I guess I'll leave them be since maybe they followed the rhythm now.

T12:
AR8 does not seem to fit this song for me. It's not a fast song. Maybe AR7?
00:47:136 (2) - Don't silence it. Only slider ends and spinners can be.
01:12:094 (1) - I would say raise volume to 20%. Kinda hard to hear right now.

Saten:
Yeah, I don't agree on AR9. Lower it to AR7.
Yeah....You have some notes on the same timeline.
00:17:261 (1,2) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/131426
00:33:261 (3,4) -
00:56:761 (3,4) -
00:34:261 (1,2) - Unsnapped slider ends.
00:47:136 (6) - Silent note. Only slider ends and spinners can be silenced.
I'm not exactly sure about your jumps....1/2 note jump all the way to the other side of the screen....Maybe tone down the jumps a bit?

Breeze wrote:

Hi there

[Possible Riddle]

1. 00:29:636 (3) - This spacing of 2,3 is a bit close, it's eye visble spacing of 2,3 is large than 3,4 kay
2. 01:01:636 (4) - ^ fixed
3. 01:33:636 (4) - ^ fixed

[Saten's Eternal Riddle]

1. 00:17:386 (1,2) - The end of slider 1 is the same to the start of slider 2
2. 00:33:386 (3,4) - ^

Others are fine
Due to stars being useless, they are currently being phased on. More details will follow soon damnit.

Sandpig wrote:

the custom hitsound is fine glad to hear that

no kds

字数字数字数字数字数字数字数字数

TTTTTTTTTTTT wrote:

as you said,"259 Offset"
offset changed
and
00:47:136 - k
01:12:094 - k

Cirno wrote:

Hi.

[Beginner]
00:46:259 (4) - fix stack please. This is pretty hard for beginners without proper stack changed
01:37:259 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - isn't this part a bit off to left? changed a little bit
others fine

[Possible]
00:18:759 (5) - whistle on slider head instead? fits the pitch better fixed
00:20:759 (2) - ^. not going to list all of them... I think your whistle pattern need more work on this diff.fixed, okay
00:35:259 (1,2,3,4,5) - a bit too boring. At least rotate 00:35:759 (2,4) by 180... Creating some more interesting stuff is better fixed
00:53:759 (3) - reduce 1 repeat? fixed
01:28:259 (1) - .....this really is ugly. Could you make it look better, or just simply replace with one of your classic three-node sliders? lol fixed

[T12]
00:45:509 (4) - maybe try reversing this? pitch resemblance -> same direction. Also try hiding 00:45:259 (3) under the head of 00:44:509 (2)...?
00:46:509 (1,2) - maybe stylize those like this a bit? You weren't using vertical/horizontal straight sliders in this part, so it looks a bit out of place. Also fits pitch change

Image

[attachment=1:4f07b]t12sldr.JPG[/attachment:4f07b]

00:55:259 (1,2,3,4) - maybe unstack (3,4) and make an acceleration pattern instead?
01:13:759 (1) - [extra nazi] ugly blanket... make the gap between borders even please

Bad Example

[attachment=0:4f07b]t12sldr2.JPG[/attachment:4f07b]

01:25:259 (4,5,6) - are you trying to make an equilateral triangle..?
01:28:259 (1) - a bit too low...I'm not sure if some picky MAT/BATs would pick this.
01:45:259 (1) - a bit too high into the score area. again ^
01:49:009 - maybe add a note here for consistency?
01:52:509 (2) - try reverse? same reasons as 00:45:509 (4)
Nice job T12

[Saten]
Note placement mainly based on visual appearance, basically ignoring anything else..? ......Whatever. Still think this is better among your maps
00:38:261 (3) - HP Bar?
00:46:011 (1) - maybe cancel new combo on this, and set new combo on 00:46:511 (2)..?

Decent map. Good luck. thanks
Due to stars being useless, they are currently being phased on. More details will follow soon. oh that..

Cirno wrote:

[Saten]
Note placement mainly based on visual appearance, basically ignoring anything else..? ......Whatever. Still think this is better among your maps Yeah, I like to experiment differently each time :P
00:38:261 (3) - HP Bar? moved it
00:46:011 (1) - maybe cancel new combo on this, and set new combo on 00:46:511 (2)..? done

Saten-san wrote:

Cirno wrote:

[Saten]
Note placement mainly based on visual appearance, basically ignoring anything else..? ......Whatever. Still think this is better among your maps Yeah, I like to experiment differently each time
00:38:261 (3) - HP Bar? moved it
00:46:011 (1) - maybe cancel new combo on this, and set new combo on 00:46:511 (2)..? done

Esupanitix wrote:

I was actually planning on modding this map from sheer whim.

General
00:16:259 Time
Just saying, please add a bookmark here. I don't want to sit through 13% of the song waiting or end up passing it up. Added, thank you.

Beginner Riddle
00:16:259 Combo
2 - Misspaced. fixed

00:19:759 Combo
1 - Misspaced. fixed

00:24:259 Combo
2,3,4 - It's not misspaced, just misaligned. Please fix it so that this part looks clean. fixed

Possible Riddle
Nothing's wrong. In fact, it's quite fun. Good show. If it's intended as a hard, it seems just right. hmm <_<

T12
This seems a bit too jump heavy, but I can't really see any major problems that I REALLY need to note. I'm not an expert on Insane/Lunatic-level maps, though I will admit; It's damn fun.

I can't really mod Saten's because as I said before, I can't mod Insane/Lunatic-level maps if they're really jump-heavy. But I will try.

Saten
No problems that I can legitimately identify.

All in all, the map's very well-made. oh thank you very much.

TTTTTTTTTTTT wrote:

cirno

00:46:509 - K
01:13:759 - K
01:25:259 - K
01:49:009 - K
00:45:509 - K
01:52:509 - K

谢谢

sorry for the delay..

HellDawn wrote:

New preview point ?: 00:48:259(this is the part of the song that's supposed to be the most memorable)

NoHItter wrote:

General
Possible Riddle has inconsistent Tags.
No need to add umineko and chiru to the Tags as they are in the Source.

Beginner Riddle
The sliders with sharp corners like 00:42:259 (5) looks out of place. tried something different
Everything else is fine.

Possible Riddle
Looks kind of cluttered with the hit-objects being spaced so closed. I'm gonna try something about it.
00:36:259 (3) - There should be a new combo here to fit with the music. fixed
00:46:509 (4) - Repeat this two more times and make the spinner start and end at 00:47:384 and 00:48:259 respectively. This makes a good Pre-Spinner Note. fixed
01:39:009 (6) - There should be a note at 01:39:009 and the repeat slider should start at 01:39:259. (Make sure it ends at the same time) fixed
01:41:009 (3) - There should be a note at 01:41:009 and the repeat slider should start at 01:41:259. (Make sure it ends at the same time) fixed

Backfire's Taiko Riddle
Remove the countdown. kay

Saten's Eternal Riddle
This map uses too many jumps IMO, but w/e
00:30:009 (9,1) - A new combo won't be enough to compensate with the sudden shift in spacing IMO. It's very confusing doing something like that.
01:16:259 (5) - New combo then remove new combo 01:16:509 (1). It matches with the music more.
01:54:259 (1,2,3) - Don't anti-jump this. It doesn't match with the "jumpiness" of the difficulty.

Edit: Added some things I saw.

tutuhaha wrote:

Hi~
Beginner Riddle
00:27:259 - (X) add whistle okay
00:30:259 - (X) ^ okay
00:56:259 - (X) ^ okay
01:32:759 - (2) 2 in there should be good Yeah sounds good
01:38:259 - (4) add whistle okay

Possible Riddle
check AIMOD I think there is nothing wrong except 5-6 spacing warnings.
and I don't really like this Typesetting
look so Crowded

over

osu! wrote:

Your message is too short.

Leorda wrote:

Oh hello there

Beginner Riddle
00:32:259 (1) - Try to improve this slider by changing something good, like wave slider, or something fixed
00:34:259 (4) - ^ fixed
00:56:259 (1) - Can you make this slider more wavy? I think it's 35% of wave slider, IMO fixed

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Possible Riddle
00:46:509 (4) - No 1/8 kickslider in normal diff, please. It could be confusing for begginer/average player (I'm not sure about this one)
00:47:384 (1) - You need to extend this spinner, to make begginer/average have a time to complete the spinner
01:37:259 (3) - Same issue as 00:46:509 (4)
01:39:259 (7) - ^
01:41:259 (4) - ^
01:44:009 (7) - Spacing error! That was a suggestion but fixed.
01:45:259 (3) - Same issue as 00:46:509 (4)
I think kicksliders are fine.
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I want this map have a vocal inside the song! I'M SERIOUS!! Look at the first message.

Index-San wrote:

hello..
general:
delete the .osb file ... I deleted that thing like 1000 times or something. lol
and snap the inherited section xD (all of them) i mistaken it for different kiai time ... oh, there are some different start end ends of the kiai time...i'll tell you on the diff mods kay

begginner riddle:
01:34:759 (1) - the spinner....feels odd here....but ... looks like it's okay.. yup
01:03:759 - make the kiai time ends same as other diffs? (01:04:259) kay


possible riddle:
this had some 0.80, 0.90, 1.00 (i recommend to use only one since this is normal(i think....) difficulty...i misunderstand the pattern first time i look at this because it looks like a small jump XD) example: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/134131, ...maybe make different spacing in kiai or something?
00:29:634 (3) - make it a bit closer? sure
00:30:009 (4,1) - make it a bit closer? (i reccomend for the (1) to be stacked with the (2) in 00:29:009 ) sure
00:55:259 (1) - i think making it into slider is better? nope
01:04:259 - kiai time ends here?
01:34:009 (5) - 1 grid up xD yup

T12 puzzling riddle:
00:44:509 (2,3,4) - well, this part seems......how do i put it........maybe it's because when i modded begginer and possible riddle it had some finishes on it

Saten's eternal riddle:
found nothing....

looks like....that's it......
nice map XD thanks

Shiirn wrote:

hi

SPOILER

Red is unrankable and must be fixed.
Blue is nazi stuff that will make your map look much better.
I will only star your map if I believe it is worth it, so don't always expect to get a star when i mod your map.

General
01:04:259 - drag break here for the hell of it fixed
snap your timing sections

in general, you need more hitsounds. hit me up in game for an idea of what to do. sure. I'll come for hitsounds in possible riddle.

Beginner
00:32:259 (1,4) - can be prettier fixed

Possible
what happened to the hitsounding during kiai? omg what happened?! o.o

T12's
01:21:259 (4,5,6,7,8) - just an example of how to hitsound these bits - 5 and 7 with whistles makes a very nice chinging setup.


Saten
00:17:259 (1,2,3) - no. Every time you do this a kitten dies. At least make it lower volume single-slider
00:25:259 (2) - lower the volume on this since the hitsounds overlap at 1/8 speeds and will echo, making it a lot louder
00:28:009 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - follows wat
00:49:259 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - i hope you realize these are 240bpm streams. get rid of them
00:56:759 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ^
i think you see where i'm going with these mods~

Saten-san wrote:

Fixes from Shiirn, Leorda & NoHItter~

Mok wrote:

Heya ohai

[General]
Even Taiko's should start at the same time as the other, i think. but then the song would be too short.

[Possible]
00:16:259 (1) - Do again this slider. omg look at this slider. fixed immediately. thanks
00:17:259 (2,3,4) - Seems too clustered. yeah actually I wanted it but okay changed a little bit for ya.

Chewin wrote:

Saten's Eternal Riddle:

00:28:259 (2) - Add finish
00:29:259 (6) - ^
00:30:259 (1) - ^
01:00:259 (2) - ^
01:01:259 (1) - ^
01:02:259 (5) - ^

Chewin wrote:

Beginner Riddle:

00:21:759 (4) - New combo k
00:37:759 (4) - ^ k
00:38:259 (6) - 3rd waypoints 2 grid right (grid lvl 4) fixed
00:58:009 (3) - x:96 y:140 kay
00:58:259 (4) - x:72 y:184 and move the second waypoint 2 right? (x:12 y:242) sure
01:02:259 (1) - New combo sure

Possible Riddle:

00:28:009 (1) - Finish at the end k
00:29:634 (3) - Finish k
00:40:259 (1) - Whistle at the beginning k
00:40:759 (2) - ^ k
00:41:259 (3) - ^ and at the end. k
00:42:259 (1) - Whistle at the beginning and end. k
00:43:259 (3) - ^ k
00:55:259 (1) - Make something? The spinner is short and it's hard for beginner players. fixed
00:58:759 (4) - Make the slider linear: http://puu.sh/4Igv fixed
01:16:259 (3) - New combo k
01:28:259 (4) - ^ k
01:36:259 (1,2) - Asymmetric D: Fix the waypoints: http://puu.sh/4IgV fixed
01:38:009 (4,5) - Move the waypoint for a better curve: http://puu.sh/4Ih4 fixed
01:40:009 (1,2) - Asymmetric again: http://puu.sh/4Ihi fixed

tsuka wrote:

Beginner Riddle:
00:40:759 (2) - a bit far away from previous note fixed

Possible Riddle:
00:46:509 (4) - feel weird, pls make the slider end up on 00:46:759 then add note in 00:47:009 and 00:47:259 fixed

i found that 07th Expansion - The Great Detective Knows (UnderminE).osb in the folder ,dunno if it's due to my wrong dealing deleted that thing again

sorry for modding later , i was in the traveling last week > < it's okay o/

LunaticMara wrote:

This is the only thing I found:

[Possible Riddle]
01:44:259 (1) - Spacing, I think. fixed, thank you

Yeah, really much help needed. No kudosu. You'll get this ranked in no time. I hope so.

And yeah, that .osb. Delete that shit. thanks

tsuka wrote:

Saten's Eternal Riddle
01:13:259 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - - bad spacing kay then
01:17:009 (2,3,4) - ^ it's not be allowed even its creativitly fixed

Vortex wrote:

Saten's Eternal Riddle
01:47:259 (4) This slider could be more beautiful (Wow finally found sth on this map xD) I have no idea how to make it prettier so no changes here~

It's not much at all :3 but if I modded it correctly, it would be a good sign for you...This map doesn't need a lot of mods anymore to be ranked

Vortex wrote:

Hey there

First I hope for you to find nothing :3 (Should be a good sign xD)

NOTICE: You're free to to, what I'm saying in here

Beginner Riddle
00:26:259 (4) Could you make this slider more symmetrical? tried something
00:38:259 (3) ^ tried something
01:02:259 (1) ^ tried something

Yes only to say that you can fix some slider looks xD a good start xD >.<

Possible Riddle
00:30:759 (1) Remove new combo k
00:34:259 (5) New combo k
00:34:759 (1) Remove new combo k
00:52:759 (2) Would you mind to make this slider more symmetrical (I know, I love symmetrical sliders xD) oh, I wanted to that slider should be look like that.
01:27:509 (1) Remove new combo k
01:38:509 (5) Put this slider 1 field down, because it's higher than the other sliders and it looks a bit strange (You should do this ) yup, fixed

Also a wonderfull diff I liked it! thank you >.<

Taiko... Sorry, I can't mod Taiko It doesnt need modding, it's okay ;D

Nothing else to say instead of good work

It's not much at all :3 but if I modded it correctly, it would be a good sign for you...This map doesn't need a lot of mods anymore to be ranked oh thanks

Finally: I see you're from Turkey x) (Me too haha) WUT SAY SOMETHING IN TURKISH LOL

Vortex

[color=#BF0000]Updates:[/color][spoilerbox][u]July 20, 2011:[/u]Elly-chan's mod. Thanks for the mod Elle~
[u]July 29, 2011:[/u]Added a hard diff. Thanks for the hard diff TTTTTTTTTTTT (T12) ._./
[u]Aug 01, 2011:[/u]Tenshi-nyan's mod.
[u]Aug 02, 2011:[/u]Added a taiko diff. Thankies for the great taiko diff, Backfire~ ^.^
[u]Aug 04, 2011:[/u]Deleted all hit-sounds in Possible Riddle and re-mapped half of it. Gonna try something different for other half too. Also changed the bit-rate of mp3 to 192 kbps.
[u]Aug 05, 2011:[/u]Re-mapped Possible Riddle. Added a new hit-sound. Deleted all hit songs and re-mapped half of Beginner Riddle. I guess it's more playable and easier now.
[u]Aug 06, 2011:[/u]Re-mapped Beginner Riddle. gina91189's mod. Thanks for the great mod gina~
[u]Aug 08, 2011:[/u]Sander-don's mod. Tony's mod. Teta's mod -Sekai-'s mod.
[u]Aug 09, 2011:[/u]L_P's mod. Broetchen8441's mod. JauiPlaY's mod. Added hit-sound to Begginner Riddle.
[u]Aug 10, 2011:[/u]Added an insane diff. Thanks for the amazing insane diff, Saten-san! O/ Saten-san's mini-mod.
[u]Aug 12, 2011:[/u]HellDawn's mod. EEeee's mod.
[u]Aug 14, 2011:[/u]Weiren's mod.
[u]Aug 15, 2011:[/u]pieguy1372's mod. The 08 team_Bourdon's offset help. Elly-ch- my waifu's second mod.
[u]Aug 16, 2011:[/u]Raging Bull's mod. Breeze's mod. Sandpig's custom hitsound check.
[u]Aug 17, 2011:[/u]Corin's offset help. It should be 259 nao. Changed the offsets of beginner and possible riddles. changed T12's diff too. changed Saten-san's offset. Cirno's mod.
[u]Aug 19, 2011:[/u]Esupanitix's mod.
[u]Aug 20, 2011:[/u]NoHItter's mod. HellDawn's preview time suggestion.
[u]Aug 21, 2011:[/u]tutuhaha's mod.
[u]Aug 22, 2011:[/u]Leorda's mod. Index-San's mod. and Shiirn's mod.
[u]Aug 23, 2011:[/u]Mok's mod.
[u]Aug 24, 2011:[/u]Chewin's mod.
[u]Aug 25, 2011:[/u]tsuka's mod. LunaticMara's lovely mod.
[u]Aug 26, 2011:[/u]Vortex's mod.[/spoilerbox]

Here is an erika-like vocal version of this song:
[spoilerbox][youtube]EA4OORQHd7c[/youtube][/spoilerbox]

ampzz wrote:

Will be an enjoyable mapset to play when it achieves ranked status UnderminE, very nice work for your first beatmap and I hope you continue to make more in the future.

A side note is that the bbcoding on your opening post is broken, just copy/paste this into it for the fix with a couple of square brackets added that were missing and a spoiler box end code.

Enjoy. ^_^

Vortex wrote:

Ozaman sanslar dilerim sana! xD (Don't have the S from the turkish keyboard )

TTTTTTTTTTTT wrote:

Here is the latest

HellDawn wrote:

Possible Riddle
00:20:259- whistle ? nope
00:22:259- sanki whistle koyunca kulaga hoş geliyo bir yap 5-200 kere dinle done
00:24:759- ^ nope
00:28:009- ^ nope
00:29:009- ^ nope
00:38:259- ^ done
00:39:259- 2 dönüs ve sonu clap güzel oluyo öle <3 so much clap no no <_<
00:58:009- whistle done
01:00:009 (1,3) sadece başları whistle nope
01:19:259- whistle nope
01:42:009- finishmi koyulur karslı :S whistle koy it's okay for me actually
01:46:759- normal whistle olsun ! done