1. Futsuu (2,29 stars, 297 notes)
2. Kantan (1,53 stars, 186 notes)
3. Muzukashii (3,01 stars, 492 notes)
4. Oni (4,32 stars, 712 notes)

Aezis wrote:

Modding Oni only because I suck at lower diffs

Oni:

00:03:470 - add k
00:04:842 - ^
00:08:956 - ^ i stratigically drop the claps after or before strong melodies to not mix too many layers into one thing in the very beginning, so adding these goes against the point of that

00:27:299 (32) - change to k [b]4 k ina row sound weird to me

00:33:299 (1) - change to d maybe? yeah that plays way better

00:46:156 (8) - change to d since its a low note i think it's a high pitched vocal

I think you should replace this 01:00:727 (73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93) - with 00:38:784 (32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - it stays more consistent with the previous section if you listen to them side by side after a bit of messing around with myself i ended up simplifying the pattern you want me to change this to, i changed it in a way that would make justifying keeping this as is way easier

01:22:156 - add d for the kick here it's left out because otherwise the vocal mapping pattern would leave little to no rest moments so basically i think adding this would make this part of the kiai imbalanced across diffs

I hope this helps

1. Wouldn't it be better to use an extra timing point at 00:16:842 - and 00:22:327 to match the gradual increase from 00:11:356? Also main volume would start from 00:22:327.

1. Would be nicer for structure if you make 00:00:385 D and 00:05:870 d, would be nice for overall ddkk structure on the downbeats in the intro and have this structure across all diffs.
2. 00:09:985 (9,10,11,12,13) kkkkDk would make a better transition the next part with the drums imo.
3. 00:22:327 D would fit better imo because you also have a low sound here.
4. I feel like 00:44:270 would sound better as D to transition into the calmer part. Applies to all diffs.
5. Would sound better for emphais if you change 00:55:242 to D and move 00:55:585 to 00:55:927, it looks better this way with the vocal as well, since you use a larger spacing after 00:57:985 as well for example.
6. Better make spacing of 01:06:899 (100,101,102) and 01:09:642 (104,105,106) similar in some way, I'd suggest moving 01:07:413 to 01:07:585 and adding a k on 01:08:270 as you're indicating that you're following the instruments with the clap on 01:06:899.
7. 01:25:070 - remove, looks better for structure

1. How about moving 00:12:042 to 00:11:699 and make 00:11:013 (21,22,23) kDk, would fit better with the high sound and clap on 00:11:013 and 00:11:699.
2. I'd consider removing 00:17:185 (37), you have a fairly long note chain here otherwise, may also remove 00:18:556 for consistency with this. Applies to the pattern starting from 01:00:727 as well.
3. Similar to previous suggestions, I'd make 00:22:327 D and 00:32:956 (26,27) kD, I think it works better if the following finish is the opposite colour in these longer patterns and it goes better with the overall drum structure as well.
4. d would sound better on 01:08:956, the long instrument sound is low.
5. I'd suggest you change 01:12:042 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21) to kkkdddd, would fit better because of the low background sounds on the last 4 notes of this pattern.

1. Better remove 00:19:070 , feels unfitting in this buildup imo.
2. You could remove 00:23:527 and move 00:24:385 to 00:24:899 , the pattern is a bit long otherwise even though the song is not that intense here, and having 00:23:185 (75,76) stand alone a bit would be nice for similar structure to 00:25:927.
3. How about moving 00:29:870 to 00:29:699? Would make a nice pattern imo.
4. Better move 00:33:127 to and change to d, would look better to have two doubles here followed by a space for emphasis of the finish.
5. I think you could remove 00:40:327 and maybe ctrl+g 00:41:013 (150,151) to follow the melody, I'd also recommend you change 00:41:870 to k for the stronger sound compared to 00:42:556.
6. It would sound nice if you move 00:43:328 to 00:43:156 and change the resulting triple to ddd and ctrl+g 00:43:413 (163,164) and change 00:44:270 to D to get a K ddd d kkk k D pattern starting from 00:42:899. Fits better with the instruments imo.
7. I'd suggest you make 00:45:470 k for the vocal and have 00:46:499 (174,175,176,177) as either dkkd or kkkd, it would sound better if you have d on the low instrument sound on the last note.
8. How about moving 01:10:499 to 01:10:327 ? Fits better with surrounding pattern imo, or you could add a note on 01:08:956 instead.
9. You could remove 01:17:013 for better vocal emphasis here, the sound on this note is also slightly weaker so it wouldn't take anything away to leave a space here.
10. Maybe remove 01:18:385 as well and move 01:21:127 to 01:21:813 and change to d, would look better if you have 5 notes in 1/2 followed by a 171 spacing to a single note and then the next pattern, would be nice for emphasis of the single note on the downbeats in this part.
11. 01:38:099 (401,402,403,404) - ddd k and 01:39:127 D would sound better for the instruments I think.

1. 00:05:699 remove and 00:05:870 d and 00:00:385 D as well for the ddkk structure I was talking about in Kantan.
2. I'd suggest you make pattern like 00:17:356 (1,2,1,1,1,1) ddk k d d instead, the k in the triples feels really strong compared to what the music provides here imo.
3. Something like k ddd or d kdd would work better for 00:24:213 (13,14,15,16) to have the emphasis of k on the instrument of 00:24:727 (17,18) in contrast to the weaker sound of 00:24:556.
4. 00:45:642 (5,6,7,8) ddkd or dkkd, would be better for instrument emphasis of the high sound on 00:45:985 and the low on 00:45:642.
5. 00:46:842 (11,12) ctrl+g, similar reason as ^
6. 00:49:585 (20,21,22) kdd and 00:51:127 (25,26) dd as well, conflicts with instruments otherwise, and vocal is not that intense so d works too.
7. 00:52:327 (27,28,29,30,31) kkd d k and 00:53:527 (35,36,37) dkd.
8. Would sound better if you have 01:22:327 (205,206,207,208,209) as kkddk for the low sound on 01:22:670 and clap on 01:23:013. You could move 01:22:842 to 01:22:156 as well, it would fit better with the longer instrument and vocal sound if you have a 1/1 spacing after 01:22:670.
9. Stuff like 01:38:785 (1,2,3) would sound better if the ending finish is in contrast to the note before imo.

snowball112 wrote:

Hi oko :3

General

1. Wouldn't it be better to use an extra timing point at 00:16:842 - and 00:22:327 to match the gradual increase from 00:11:356? Also main volume would start from 00:22:327. sure

Kantan

1. Would be nicer for structure if you make 00:00:385 D and 00:05:870 d, would be nice for overall ddkk structure on the downbeats in the intro and have this structure across all diffs. the first note as D sounds really really really really bad to me, the other idea is great though, so i did that
2. 00:09:985 (9,10,11,12,13) kkkkDk would make a better transition the next part with the drums imo. nah. actually im retarded and misinterpreted this in every diff ever. the sounds aren't ababC they're aabbC so k k d d K
3. 00:22:327 D would fit better imo because you also have a low sound here. true changed everywhere
4. I feel like 00:44:270 would sound better as D to transition into the calmer part. Applies to all diffs. I feel the exact opposite with this. the K seems more energetic and thus more fitting to finish off this kind of pattern
5. Would sound better for emphais if you change 00:55:242 to D and move 00:55:585 to 00:55:927, it looks better this way with the vocal as well, since you use a larger spacing after 00:57:985 as well for example. the D change sounds literally weird but the moving suggestion is really nice so i did that
6. Better make spacing of 01:06:899 (100,101,102) and 01:09:642 (104,105,106) similar in some way, I'd suggest moving 01:07:413 to 01:07:585 and adding a k on 01:08:270 as you're indicating that you're following the instruments with the clap on 01:06:899. all of these are following drums, just that the drums are dumb and the drum rhythm would be too complex. evening out spacing feels weird to play and all alternatives i tested were really odd too D:
7. 01:25:070 - remove, looks better for structure true

Futsuu

1. How about moving 00:12:042 to 00:11:699 and good idea make 00:11:013 (21,22,23) kDk this will have to stay a D there still sounds dumb to me, would fit better with the high sound and clap on 00:11:013 and 00:11:699.
2. I'd consider removing 00:17:185 (37), you have a fairly long note chain here otherwise, may also remove 00:18:556 for consistency with this. Applies to the pattern starting from 01:00:727 as well. and the other new one
3. Similar to previous suggestions, I'd make 00:22:327 D and 00:32:956 (26,27) kD, I think it works better if the following finish is the opposite colour in these longer patterns and it goes better with the overall drum structure as well. uhh i dont think D sounds good here
4. d would sound better on 01:08:956, the long instrument sound is low. yeah
5. I'd suggest you change 01:12:042 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21) to kkkdddd, would fit better because of the low background sounds on the last 4 notes of this pattern. hey that also contrasts the other thingy better cool

Muzukashii

1. Better remove 00:19:070, feels unfitting in this buildup imo. kay
2. You could remove 00:23:527 and move 00:24:385 to 00:24:899, the pattern is a bit long otherwise even though the song is not that intense here, and having 00:23:185 (75,76) stand alone a bit would be nice for similar structure to 00:25:927. the patterns on oni here are quite long i need long patterns here to compensate this. besides that i removed the first ones in all spots
3. How about moving 00:29:870 to 00:29:699? Would make a nice pattern imo. i feel like this thing i have is sufficient besides the sounds its mapping starts over at whites not at reds
4. Better move 00:33:127 to and change to d, would look better to have two doubles here followed by a space for emphasis of the finish.
5. I think you could remove 00:40:327 and maybe ctrl+g 00:41:013 (150,151) to follow the melody, I'd also recommend you change 00:41:870 to k for the stronger sound compared to 00:42:556. nah that buildup doesn't work with the melody
6. It would sound nice if you move 00:43:328 to 00:43:156 and change the resulting triple to ddd and ctrl+g 00:43:413 (163,164) and change 00:44:270 to D to get a K ddd d kkk k D pattern starting from 00:42:899. Fits better with the instruments imo. i like K dd k d kkk more tbh i'll keep it at that
7. I'd suggest you make 00:45:470 k for the vocal and have 00:46:499 (174,175,176,177) as either dkkd or kkkd, it would sound better if you have d on the low instrument sound on the last note. i did this and something else to this section
8. How about moving 01:10:499 to 01:10:327? Fits better with surrounding pattern imo, or you could add a note on 01:08:956 instead. this follows the biggest drums in the section only, the drums do that pattern and so am i, adding d or k between them would imply the drums were going on while it's just melody D:
9. You could remove 01:17:013 for better vocal emphasis here, the sound on this note is also slightly weaker so it wouldn't take anything away to leave a space here. drums are too important imo
10. Maybe remove 01:18:385 as well and move 01:21:127 to 01:21:813 and change to d, would look better if you have 5 notes in 1/2 followed by a 171 spacing to a single note and then the next pattern, would be nice for emphasis of the single note on the downbeats in this part. vocals just before these downbeats contradict that idea a lot i feel like these are way more important than the ones i left out so i'm mapping those
11. 01:38:099 (401,402,403,404) - ddd k and 01:39:127 D would sound better for the instruments I think. did the D part, but the ddd sounds and feels really underwhelming

Oni

1. 00:05:699 remove and 00:05:870 d and 00:00:385 D as well for the ddkk structure I was talking about in Kantan. still no to D, the other part
2. I'd suggest you make pattern like 00:17:356 (1,2,1,1,1,1) ddk k d d instead, the k in the triples feels really strong compared to what the music provides here imo. i need patterns ending in a single d here so uhh what you suggest puts 2 d in a row which kinda goes against the point here
3. Something like k ddd or d kdd would work better for 00:24:213 (13,14,15,16) to have the emphasis of k on the instrument of 00:24:727 (17,18) in contrast to the weaker sound of 00:24:556. it's layering both crashes and vocals as k, this is the point of the section
4. 00:45:642 (5,6,7,8) ddkd or dkkd, would be better for instrument emphasis of the high sound on 00:45:985 and the low on 00:45:642. kddkd
5. 00:46:842 (11,12) ctrl+g, similar reason as ^ vocal pitch is higher that fits imo
6. 00:49:585 (20,21,22) kdd and 00:51:127 (25,26) dd as well, conflicts with instruments otherwise, and vocal is not that intense so d works too. im just mapping vocals in this section anyways ?? this works way better and feels less forced than the alternative you suggested D:
7. 00:52:327 (27,28,29,30,31) kkd d k and 00:53:527 (35,36,37) dkd. the entire pattern works fine as is? it even fits vocals being thrown in k k d d going by words ;;
8. Would sound better if you have 01:22:327 (205,206,207,208,209) as kkddk for the low sound on 01:22:670 and clap on 01:23:013. You could move 01:22:842 to 01:22:156 as well, it would fit better with the longer instrument and vocal sound if you have a 1/1 spacing after 01:22:670. this just doesn't seem to work out with the vocals and flow which is created by forcing a kkkkd right after it, i experimented around and the next best thing after the thing i have to me is k k d k d as the preceeding pattern
9. Stuff like 01:38:785 (1,2,3) would sound better if the ending finish is in contrast to the note before imo. agree

Good luck!!

snowball112 wrote:

Heya, time for round 2.

General

1. 01:34:283 (292) - unsnapped in oni lul i don't get how that happened but ok
2. disable countdown across diffs this doesn't do anything, whether i toggle it or not doesn't matter??

Kantan

1. The pattern from 00:09:853 is a bit long imo, I think you can remove 00:11:567 and move 00:12:938 to 00:13:281 and change to d, and bring this part more in line with what you have at 00:01:624 (2,3,4). deleted the first note you talked about, didn't leave a 4/1 gap tho, 3/1 should be enough to recover in an energetic part lol
   00:12:938 - also stays where it is because 00:13:624 - 00:13:967 - need to be separated or else the strong melody doesn't stand out, being consistent with the super low intensity intro is unfitting in a more intense part.
2. 00:15:681 does not go well with what you've been following until now imo. I suggest you move 00:15:681 to 00:14:995 and change 00:15:338 to d. did this competely differently The note of 00:04:367 and 00:15:338 are a general point of inconsistency across your diffs, I suggest you have both of these as d. nah. on the other diffs it depends how much of the surrounding instruments are mapped, if the surrounding instruments are left out, this is a k and if the surrounding snares are mapped in the part having k k k is dumb so the middle gets a d
3. I think you can move 00:23:910 to 00:24:253 and 00:26:653 to 00:27:338 and 00:29:396 to 00:29:738. I think this spacing is closer related to what you had before, and I think it works better for the melody if you use 3 note patterns like from 00:24:253 to emphasise the stronger melody here. i need 00:24:595 - 00:24:938 - separated from the rest to make them stand out, moving something within 1/1 of it makes it lose the effect. The rest of this is done differently again!
4. Similar to ^ from 01:38:995 onwards, move 01:40:710 to 01:39:338 and01:42:081 to 01:41:053 and change to d and move 01:43:453 to 01:44:138. im so confused at this point because i did all of this differently
5. You could use simplified spacing in the part from 01:06:081. For example move 01:07:281 to 01:08:138 and 01:10:024 to 01:10:538. not a fan of this, but i managed to settle for something different
6. Kantan kiai is a bit inconsistent with the rest of the set, eg I don't think there should be a note at 01:17:395 when the main patterns in the other diffs start from around 01:17:738. You can also move the note from 01:14:824 to 01:16:710 and change to d to keep the spacing simpler in this diff. the low difficulty kinda requires a different take on mapping the kiai... muzu and oni have a 1/1 there because this is a good spot for a rest moment, as for the note moving, i changed the first k that you wanted to move to d to signal that it is different. these drums are one of the main characteristics and i don't think reading this is too hard on any newbie.
7. 01:28:366 - move to 01:27:681. ffs i like this suggestion so much that i decided to apply something i previously denied as well
8. 01:54:425 move to 01:53:395 and change to d, I think this pattern is a bit long and it sounds a bit nicer this way as well imo. going by my changes there isn't even a note there lol

Futsuu

1. 00:01:967 adn 00:07:453 remove, even though they go with the drum I don't think they sound nice here. i removed the first, as it highlights the other notes a bit more than being there, the 2nd one stays because it adheres the basic logic of this part perfectly well
2. 00:14:653 remove, is better for structure. agree
3. Similar to kantan, the structure in futsuu compared to other diffs is a bit inconsistent, how about moving notes like 00:23:910 to 00:24:253 and change to d, then add d on 00:24:424 and change 00:24:938 to d as well? You could do something similar by moving 00:26:653 to 00:26:995 and adding d on 00:27:167. This would look much nicer for consistent structure across diffs and sounds really nice with the instruments imo. Applies to the part after kiai as well. what the fuck separate your points into more points if you have so much to say, reading this is utterly confusing... also idk why you keep pointing out that the structure between diffs is inconsistent, i think what matters is if the structures are scaling in difficulty appropriately and are coherent within the difficulty??
   to answer this: 00:23:910 - will not be moved, if i move it to where you wish it to be, then the 2 melody notes in 00:24:595 - 00:24:938 - wouldn't stick out at all.
   00:29:910 - added a d, because that's where it doesn't interfere with the melody
   00:24:938 - is a k because of the melody, compare t o 00:02:653 (5,6) -
   00:38:138 - is left out because the pattern that follows is really long.
   ended up moving a bunch of other stuff around here and after the kiai though.
4. Move 01:00:938 to 01:01:624 and 01:02:310 to 01:02:995 for consistency with the buildup from 00:16:710. i think i did this
5. 01:16:710 and 01:16:881 add d, you need to make a better spread with muzu here. did this differently because this made the entire think way too dense for me
6. Breaks like 01:18:767 (32,33) do not sound good imo, it feels forced and also makes a poor spread with muzu where you have a triple in this section. You could try something like this, cursor on 01:19:453. This point applies to 01:29:739 as well. idk how much of this applies but i basically moved the entire kiai around
7. Move 01:33:853 to 01:34:538 and 01:35:224 to 01:35:910. yes

Muzukashii

1. You can move 00:24:253 to 00:24:767 this is the inverse version of how this is emphasised in futsuu and kantan, the absence of notes here is intended for having both k stand out and add d on 00:22:881 and 00:25:624, I think this works better for structure in this section and spread, and also the vocal. Basically, if you use 4-note 1/2 for emphasis of the vocal in this section and 3- and 5-note 1/2 for when only the instrument plays that would be good for stucture and emphasis. For example, 00:33:853 add d and move 00:35:224 to 00:35:738. this completely changes what this part emphasises, like entirely. the same reasoning as previously applies to this entirely...
2. I think you could move 00:26:481 to 00:26:824 as well, you have large spacing around this part. i need 00:26:995 - to be separated to have the melody stand out
3. I think you could map more towards the melody instead of the drums from 00:38:652 to 00:42:767 in the muzu, I think it would work out better for emphasis and spread, the triples of 00:41:053 (145,146,147) bother me especially. How about 00:42:253 (151,152) ctrl+g and move 00:40:538 to 00:39:510 and 00:41:224 to 00:40:881. Current patterns do not synergize well with the other instruments imo. idk what you mean by this, like at all since i only hear strong drums here being worth mapping, but i swapped a bunch of shit around here once again
4. The section from 00:44:138 has far more notes than the same part in futsuu, either buff futsuu or nerf muzu and oni a bit. mapping the vocals only makes sense in this section, besides i kept it at lower than what oni does, simplifying gibberish vocal mapping doesn't make sense in futsuu and this is slightly less intense than what oni has. i simplified the patterning in this part a bit more
5. I feel like you may want to add a few more triples in the kiai instead of long 1/2 patterns to make the spread more even. did this

Oni

1. For spread reasons, you could remove 01:17:824 and move 01:18:595 to 01:19:195 and change the pattern from 01:19:195 to kkdkd. this plays basically ultra awkward so i'll keep what i have as it actually flows very smoothly and having a rest in there feels very forced and unnatural
2. 01:22:367 - remove or move to 01:22:024. this doesn't make the most sense to me
3. 01:19:710 - remove and change 01:19:624 to k and 01:19:795 to d. removed, due to 01:30:595 - having less notes as well
4. After considering the buildup like 00:40:024 in this diff you may need to adjust spread, oni only has 1/2 here and futsuu 1/1, you could try to use some spread out 1/2 in futsuu (move 00:38:995 to 00:39:510 for example to create 1/2 triples) and 1/4 in muzu (for example from 00:39:510 to 00:39:681 k triple) because the gap in spread in these parts is quite large. after making muzu less dense it is now more dense in these 2 parts to compensate full 1/1 in futsuu

Overall, the spread needs to be adjusted, especially that of futsuu and muzu to the other diffs. i attempted

Good luck

• [Kantan]

1. 01:17:395 (111) - consider deleting this note to keep it consistent with the break at 01:20:138 - ? The vocal pattern is pretty similar.
2. 01:28:366 (130) - same as ^
3. 01:54:767 (178,179) - you may swap these notes to d k as you did at 00:37:967 (58,59) - to fit the snare.

• [Futsuu]

1. 00:21:510 - consider adding d here to improve the spread with Muzukashii ? Currently it sounds rather empty compared to the 1/4 notes in Muzukashii.
2. 00:43:453 - 01:05:395 - 02:00:253 - same as ^
3. 01:23:910 (47,49) - swapping these notes to k d would follow the pitch changes in a way better.
4. 02:00:938 (55) - maybe change this note to D as you did in Kantan and Oni ?

• [Muzukashii]

1. 00:20:995 (63) - this note could be deleted for cohering with the break at 00:20:310 - . This would help reduce the gap with Futsuu as well.
2. From 00:44:138 to 00:55:110 - the difficulty gap with Futsuu for this session is too substantial. Try to reduce the use of 1/2 patterns by removing notes like this: (cursor at 00:49:281 - )
3. 01:04:881 (235) - same as 00:20:995 (63) -
4. 01:16:195 (284) - and 01:16:881 (288) - these notes could be removed as well to balance the spread from Futsuu to Oni. In this way there would be one more 2/1 rest moment before the dense kiai.
5. 02:00:938 (500) - same as Futsuu

• [Oni]

1. 00:52:538 (30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37) - consider changing these notes to d k d k k d k d to fit the vocal more ?
2. 01:06:081 (118) - maybe K as you did in the lower difficulties ?

Ascendance wrote:

hey thats pretty good