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MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA
Everyone, I wanna share a story...

Recently I've been really frustrated at my worsening aim. Aiming became much harder than it used to, also more awkward. I could barely complete maps with poor accuracy and misses here and there. My playcounts plummeted high but I felt like going backwards...

Then I realized the source of all evil. I don't mean to blame advices regarding "6/11 mouse sensitivity rule and turn off enhance pointer precision aka mouse acceleration", but personally it just didn't work out for me. My hand had to travel a lot further to do streams and it tired me so quickly. I even noticed signs of carpal tunnel syndrome developing in a few days of forcing myself to adjust. Soon after I realized about it, I reverted back to my old settings and all problems dissapeared :)

TLDR; guides and advices are no doubt useful in most occassions, but follow what you feel best with your playstyle, whatever works for you
N0thingSpecial
2,355 posts
Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial
welp good luck with mouse accel, I genuinely wish you good luck.
Hiro-Senpai
302 posts
Joined January 2013
Hiro-Senpai
rsi, 400pp, mouse accel
I think i came to a wrong neighbourhood

You won't get carpal tunnel from playing normal maps man. Turn that bloody mouse accel off!
Sandy Hoey
3,605 posts
Joined October 2015
Sandy Hoey
Turning off mouse acceleration didnt work for you because you havent learned how to play with it yet. In the end, it will help you. Nothing really matters at the lower levels, but you will definitely feel the pain as you progress
Disillusionz
133 posts
Joined January 2017
Disillusionz
Yeah no turn that off.

MAGNIFIA wrote:

TLDR; guides and advices are no doubt useful in most occassions, but follow what you feel best with your playstyle, whatever works for you


I'd agree with this 99% of the time, but this the 1% right now. You really are doing yourself a disservice with mouse acceleration on. And you aren't getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
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Kyrari
789 posts
Joined June 2013
Kyrari
Well you can still change the osu!sensitivity if having 6/11 is too slow with your mouse dpi, sensitivity would obviously be different for everybody but 6/11 is pretty much the standard because if it's set higher or lower than 6, Windows will artificially modify the mouse input thus pixel skipping happens (using raw input in osu settings is also the same as using 6/11).

Mouse Accel is generally recommended to be turned off because having acceleration play a part in how far you're moving the cursor can create inconsistencies even though you're used to it, I myself was used to mouse accel too until I tried turning it off and was surprised at how SLOW my cursor became but I've already gotten used to not using it by now.

Good luck with your current settings tho, in the end playing with what's comfortable while changing things up slightly through time is best imo.
1Alone
193 posts
Joined December 2015
1Alone

VanillaSandvich wrote:

Well you can still change the osu!sensitivity if having 6/11 is too slow with your mouse dpi
^^ And for god sake turn that thing off. I am not able to shift from hard to insane with that thing on. Instead of aiming for it try snapping to it, works great for me ;)
I Give Up
1,648 posts
Joined January 2014
I Give Up
He didn't think to turn mouse sensitivity up instead?

MAGNIFIA wrote:

I even noticed signs of carpal tunnel syndrome developing in a few days of forcing myself to adjust.
Are you doctor? lol?

You don't get CTS overnight, it develops over the course of several years or decades. That is what my doctor said when I went for my check up.

What you have is just an ordinary tired wrist. You should work out more.
ManuelOsuPlayer
1,565 posts
Joined July 2014
ManuelOsuPlayer

MAGNIFIA wrote:

Everyone, I wanna share a story...

Recently I've been really frustrated at my worsening aim. Aiming became much harder than it used to, also more awkward. I could barely complete maps with poor accuracy and misses here and there. My playcounts plummeted high but I felt like going backwards...

Then I realized the source of all evil. I don't mean to blame advices regarding "6/11 mouse sensitivity rule and turn off enhance pointer precision aka mouse acceleration", but personally it just didn't work out for me. My hand had to travel a lot further to do streams and it tired me so quickly. I even noticed signs of carpal tunnel syndrome developing in a few days of forcing myself to adjust. Soon after I realized about it, I reverted back to my old settings and all problems dissapeared :)

TLDR; guides and advices are no doubt useful in most occassions, but follow what you feel best with your playstyle, whatever works for you
Go slower. If you're used to play 11/11 sensitivity don't down it to 6/11... Down it point by point until you find the slower point where you can reach the 4 screen corners without force your hand.
I'm playing 400dpi 6/11 right now. Before i was playing 1200dpi 8/11 and i down it point by point until reach 1200dpi 4/11 what was pretty similar to 400dpi 6/11.

Sensitivity don't affect to carpian tunnel lol. That's your arm hand possitionament. Maybe your table it's really low. Try to rest until you find your hand well and when you back stretch your arm instead use your arm weight into your wrist.
Rio-
3,353 posts
Joined March 2013
Rio-

MAGNIFIA wrote:

I even noticed signs of carpal tunnel syndrome developing in a few days of forcing myself to adjust.
You should rest instead of adjusting, imo You won't get Carpal Tunnel by changing sensitivity. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome usually happens if You do a repetitive movements too much and put more pressures to your nerves (especially wrist nerves, where the Carpal ligament is)... I personally thinks that I have CTS too in my left wrist atm (which is still happens until now, but my Doctor said It wasn't) that I can't play this game anymore (for now I hope). But I don't think that'll happen from changing sensitivity or not using mouse accel alone.

And turn off that mouse accel, I personally think ppl won't get better in this game if You use mouse accel (and maybe other game that are involving mouse use like fps games) ... But It's up to you if you prefer it that way.
Caradine
Caradine
I would feel really bad if I didn't already have mouse accel disabled when I started playing -_-
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
>Carpal tunnel from playing 3* maps
lol
I think you feel awkward because you're not yet used to the new setting. I suggest do a rollback and play much easier maps until you get used to the new setting. Of course you'll do bad if you try doing high scores after you change it.
Caradine
Caradine
why wouldn't he get carpal tunnel, you can't say much more than "low probability'.

if you want to make fun of something say:

>Turning mouse accel back on cured my rsi
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie

Caradine wrote:

why wouldn't he get carpal tunnel, you can't say much more than "low probability'.
NO YOU DON'T SELF-DIAGNOSE about carpal tunnel or RSI. You don't get it in a matter of few days. RSI is fucking serious because even though l don't exactly have it yet, I'm already slowly developing one soon due to my habits as what my doctor said, and it severely hurts my playtime.

Also you don't fucking play if you already have RSI
ManuelOsuPlayer
1,565 posts
Joined July 2014
ManuelOsuPlayer

Sayorie wrote:

>Carpal tunnel from playing 3* maps
lol
I think you feel awkward because you're not yet used to the new setting. I suggest do a rollback and play much easier maps until you get used to the new setting. Of course you'll do bad if you try doing high scores after you change it.
It could be he have his arm vertical because a low table.. That makes the wrist hold the arm, shoulder and body weight while moving. Cts easy in a week. I never get pain in my hand or wrist. Even playing 6-7-8-9* songs using relax when i was rank 250k for a lot of hours without stop. If someone have any kinda pain should totally stop play for a while and ask for help.
Caradine
Caradine

Sayorie wrote:

Caradine wrote:

why wouldn't he get carpal tunnel, you can't say much more than "low probability'.
NO YOU DON'T SELF-DIAGNOSE about carpal tunnel or RSI. You don't get it in a matter of few days. RSI is fucking serious because even though l don't exactly have it yet, I'm already slowly developing one soon due to my habits as what my doctor said, and it severely hurts my playtime.

Also you don't fucking play if you already have RSI
just because he shittily "I reverted back to my old settings and all problems dissapeared" self diagnosed himself doesn't mean you should counter diagnose him through the internet with "no cuz you're playing 3 star maps".

he could have been digging his wrist into the edge of the desk, no one knows anything.
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie

Caradine wrote:

just because he shittily "I reverted back to my old settings and all problems dissapeared" self diagnosed himself doesn't mean you should counter diagnose him through the internet with "no cuz you're playing 3 star maps".

he could have been digging his wrist into the edge of the desk, no one knows anything.
Playing easy maps for less than a week won't immediately give you RSI. You don't know the feeling of not being able to sleep for nights because of wrist pain.
Now you're just being a white knight.

Reminder

SirOxorsid wrote:

And you aren't getting carpal tunnel syndrome.

I Give Up wrote:

Are you doctor? lol?

You don't get CTS overnight, it develops over the course of several years or decades. That is what my doctor said when I went for my check up.

What you have is just an ordinary tired wrist. You should work out more.
Caradine
Caradine

Sayorie wrote:

Now you're just being a white knight.
Noun
benefit of the doubt

A favorable judgement given in the absence of full evidence.
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
So you can't respond to the other 95% of my post?
Caradine
Caradine

Sayorie wrote:

So you can't respond to the other 95% of my post?
why respond to things i agree with when you're trying to make mea rgue with you
Disillusionz
133 posts
Joined January 2017
Disillusionz
If it hurts, stop playing for a bit. Why would you keep playing if your wrist hurts?

Obviously it's not impossible to develop these conditions but if you use common sense it should be fine. I just asked my friend with CTS, he says he starts feeling it after a few hours of guitar playing and stops when it bothers him.

EDIT: And he also plays osu! with a tablet, although not regularly.
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MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA
Haven't checked the forum lately :(

Wow, I really appreciate all your inputs :)
In the end, I tried reverting back to 6/11 and mouse accel off
It felt awkward at first but now I manage

With accell on, my aims became horrible. I missed streams and circles more often and spinners... uh
MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA
Also, self diagnosis is pretty much stupid... Just because I started developing some of the symptoms doesn't mean I suffer any form of RSI

Resting after I start feeling pain sure is wise. I was really crazy about gaining PP but I realized it was stupid too. The more skilled and higher level you are, it appears that you mind PP less and just enjoy the game
Caradine
Caradine
Grats on mouse accel off
MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA

Caradine wrote:

Grats on mouse accel off
Still, I really need to buy a better mouse and mousepad

I'm using Rexus G6, a bit too big for my palm to handle... And $4 mousepad that has inconsistent surface friction

Any recommendation for best mouse for osu? Around $20-$35 will do
kai99
1,123 posts
Joined July 2013
kai99

MAGNIFIA wrote:

I reverted back to my old settings and all problems dissapeared :)
this was what happened to me lol. I was using 5.7 sens but I were going short on jumps so I used 6x sens for a while which actually worsened my accuracy. I came back to 5.7 and it feels much better now.
1Alone
193 posts
Joined December 2015
1Alone

MAGNIFIA wrote:

Caradine wrote:

Grats on mouse accel off
Still, I really need to buy a better mouse and mousepad

I'm using Rexus G6, a bit too big for my palm to handle... And $4 mousepad that has inconsistent surface friction

Any recommendation for best mouse for osu? Around $20-$35 will do
Try having a look at redragon series, they're the most budget gaming mouse available in that range. Logitech also worth mentioning if you're willing to add like 5$ more (G402 Hyperion). Also what type of grip, weight desired etc.?
Caradine
Caradine
i only know 1 good mouse, wmo 1.1a lol
buttons suck though i need to play keyboard
MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA
I use 2 different grip styles : palm grip for circles and streams, then claw grip for spinners. My palm grip is too weak and inconsistent for spinner, but my claw grip is bad for streaming. It's still a pain to switch between the two in mere seconds, do I really have to just stick to one style for more overall consistency?

I prefer one like Logitech G90 I had before, but the durabiility... uhhhh
I didn't even throw it away or bang it on the table, but the sensor simply misbehaved. Jumpy and too much response latency (couldn't ask for guarantee, already over long before)

As for weight, I like it as heavy as possible. I tend to lift my mouse a bit when streaming heavily. The cursor jump has a lot room for error so I tend to miss occassionally.
1Alone
193 posts
Joined December 2015
1Alone

MAGNIFIA wrote:

I use 2 different grip styles : palm grip for circles and streams, then claw grip for spinners. My palm grip is too weak and inconsistent for spinner, but my claw grip is bad for streaming. It's still a pain to switch between the two in mere seconds, do I really have to just stick to one style for more overall consistency?

I prefer one like Logitech G90 I had before, but the durabiility... uhhhh
I didn't even throw it away or bang it on the table, but the sensor simply misbehaved. Jumpy and too much response latency (couldn't ask for guarantee, already over long before)

As for weight, I like it as heavy as possible. I tend to lift my mouse a bit when streaming heavily. The cursor jump has a lot room for error so I tend to miss occassionally.
- It follows your preference I guess (your grip) but I would personally stick to only one or use hybrids grip. As you said, changing your grip/position too often while playing can bring inconsistencies in your playing, making the chances of choking even higher. And consistency is the most important aspect of osu out of all.
- G90 has a really low tracking bandwidth in my opinion (2m/s) since it's kind of derived from an optical sensor that comes from an office optical mouse lol, and for osu they said that 500hz above is okay already but it's better to get up to 1000hz.
- Personally I would suggest you go for g402 Hyperion Fury if you are going to stick with palm grip and willing to spend like 5$ more, but this is based on my research. You should probably conduct your own research instead of blindly following my option but it's worth considering. There's Anker, Logitech, Minionix, Redragon (I don't really recommend redragon though unless you're on a really tight budget) etc.
- Maybe instead of using a heavy mouse, use a mouse with high LOD? (lift off distance) It strains the hand IMO if you uses heavy ones and do many jumps
ManuelOsuPlayer
1,565 posts
Joined July 2014
ManuelOsuPlayer

MAGNIFIA wrote:

Caradine wrote:

Grats on mouse accel off
Still, I really need to buy a better mouse and mousepad

I'm using Rexus G6, a bit too big for my palm to handle... And $4 mousepad that has inconsistent surface friction

Any recommendation for best mouse for osu? Around $20-$35 will do
I'm using a 7€ mouse. It works perfectly until 6-7* Technical maps. Prob i can find a better config to make it work there too as i did before xD You don't need to speend money to get a good mouse. Also you aren't going to need a better than this one for a long. Don't bad understand me. It's a really really good mouse. But it's 7€ you can't expect a tablet speed/precision. I test 7 mouses and this was the best. I had a 50€ wireless one.
https://www.amazon.es/Mars-Gaming-MM0-p ... B00LIQD51Q
https://www.amazon.es/gp/aw/d/B00M1HMA0 ... 1QEjXT6MiL

Also i use coca-cola to clean the mousepad and the mouse every 10 hours playing. I'm using this mouse for more than a year and until now i don't feel it was short for me.
MAGNIFIA
21 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
MAGNIFIA
Wow, guys thanks for taking your time to give me really useful insights :)

I'm gonna consider G402 HF and the Mars mouse as viable options. Those aren't likely to be available in local stores though. G90s floods the market instead.

Btw how can you clean mouse and mousepad with coca cola? Last time I spilled some on my desk, it sticked and left disgusting feel. Attracts ants too.
I regularly wipe them with alcohol to get rid of grease
1Alone
193 posts
Joined December 2015
1Alone

MAGNIFIA wrote:

Wow, guys thanks for taking your time to give me really useful insights :)

I'm gonna consider G402 HF and the Mars mouse as viable options. Those aren't likely to be available in local stores though. G90s floods the market instead.

Btw how can you clean mouse and mousepad with coca cola? Last time I spilled some on my desk, it sticked and left disgusting feel. Attracts ants too.
I regularly wipe them with alcohol to get rid of grease
Buying online is not an option?
Btw I'm currently using qck now, and there's guide that I saved from somewhere I looked at the internet :
"Well, I've cleaned my mousepads multiple ways now. This is what I find most effective.

1. Hose down the mousepad with water ( since youre hosing it, doesn't need to be warm )

2. Take and old toothbrush, and put handwash soap on it.

3. Brush out all the dirt and grime from the surface using the toothbrush.

4. Hose again.

5. Rinse and repeat ( if need be )

6. For drying, since its a Qck+, its thin and dries very quickly. Put it in a room with all the windows closed on a newspaper and put the fan on the lowest effective speed. This will ensure that no "new" dust clings to it because of a high fan speed and no crap comes from outside. The newspaper is to soak up any water that the mousepad may have soaked up.

Note that I used this on my Qck and Mantis Speed. Just got my Goliathus yesterday so haven't had a reason to clean it. It works wonders on my previous two mousepads.

One more thing that you can do is, for the thicker mousepads, put warm water and shampoo in a bucket and use the mousepad to lather it up and let it soak for half an hour. Then hose all the shampoo off and dry. This can also be used if you haven't cleaned your mousepad in a while or its soaked up something like coffee or any other liquid for removing the grime.

HTH.

PS. For my Mantis, once I wanted it dry real quick so I used a hairdryer, in moderation of course.

Edit --

Whatever happens, DONT wring your mousepad dry. Its not a piece of clothing."

^
ManuelOsuPlayer
1,565 posts
Joined July 2014
ManuelOsuPlayer

1Alone wrote:

MAGNIFIA wrote:

Wow, guys thanks for taking your time to give me really useful insights :)

I'm gonna consider G402 HF and the Mars mouse as viable options. Those aren't likely to be available in local stores though. G90s floods the market instead.

Btw how can you clean mouse and mousepad with coca cola? Last time I spilled some on my desk, it sticked and left disgusting feel. Attracts ants too.
I regularly wipe them with alcohol to get rid of grease
Buying online is not an option?
Btw I'm currently using qck now, and there's guide that I saved from somewhere I looked at the internet :
"Well, I've cleaned my mousepads multiple ways now. This is what I find most effective.

1. Hose down the mousepad with water ( since youre hosing it, doesn't need to be warm )

2. Take and old toothbrush, and put handwash soap on it.

3. Brush out all the dirt and grime from the surface using the toothbrush.

4. Hose again.

5. Rinse and repeat ( if need be )

6. For drying, since its a Qck+, its thin and dries very quickly. Put it in a room with all the windows closed on a newspaper and put the fan on the lowest effective speed. This will ensure that no "new" dust clings to it because of a high fan speed and no crap comes from outside. The newspaper is to soak up any water that the mousepad may have soaked up.

Note that I used this on my Qck and Mantis Speed. Just got my Goliathus yesterday so haven't had a reason to clean it. It works wonders on my previous two mousepads.

One more thing that you can do is, for the thicker mousepads, put warm water and shampoo in a bucket and use the mousepad to lather it up and let it soak for half an hour. Then hose all the shampoo off and dry. This can also be used if you haven't cleaned your mousepad in a while or its soaked up something like coffee or any other liquid for removing the grime.

HTH.

PS. For my Mantis, once I wanted it dry real quick so I used a hairdryer, in moderation of course.

Edit --

Whatever happens, DONT wring your mousepad dry. Its not a piece of clothing."

^
This is probably much better than what i do hahaha.
Coca-cola It's a really good cleaner. Much better than water.
http://www.reshareable.tv/25-practical- ... -cola.html
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