Sweet Vanilla wrote:

M4M from my queue~
Then the following are some of my personal suggestions,wish it can help you~~
speak poor english sry
[General]
none

[Normal]

1. 00:21:839 (2) - whistle in the tail fixed
2. 01:15:319 (1,2) - symmetry？fixed
3. perfect diff:3 thk u :3

[Hard]

1. 01:13:905 (4,5) - 4 may surround 5 better (suggest 4and6 move up a few grid) did something else here
2. 00:32:309 (1) - whistle in the head added
3. 00:37:968 (3) - this long slider may be divided into short slider and a circle. nop following the voice here :3

very very nice map and music! star~skin also done well.

Inyuschan wrote:

http://puu.sh/6h8uN.png :3

My maps:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/135634
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/131924

I'll do my best. D:

[Hard]

First for all, sliders like this http://puu.sh/6h8G6.jpg could be changed by two notes, not all of course, but some of them. :3 i prefer keep my sliders :/

00:07:125 (6) - Maybe do something like this? http://puu.sh/6h8BU.jpg Following the next note >< i want keep the blanket with (4) so no change

00:39:100 (1) - Move it to x:416 y:112, I think it would look better. Stack better for me

00:48:155 to 00:52:116 - You can put two spinners~ nop this break really fit imo >.<

00:54:663 (1) - Remove NC.why, it follow the consistence

00:55:229 (2) - Add NC. same as before

[Normal]

00:05:427 (1, 2) - Add an slider instead of that two notes, following (3). Fixed

00:34:572 (1) - It's touching (2). : < Well, it's my opinion, I don't like that. >< You can move it like this. http://puu.sh/6h8YM.jpg In my opinion, ofc. it's intentional ^^

01:10:792 (1) - Same suggestion, it's overlapping only a bit. >__< same as above


Only suggestions. I like your mapping style. X3 thx :3

qoot8123 wrote:

Nice song and map~^_^
star~

Sweet Vanilla wrote:

M4M from my queue~
Then the following are some of my personal suggestions,wish it can help you~~
speak poor english sry
[General]
none
[xChippy's Easy]

1. 00:01:748 (2,3) - 3surround 2 better it's already good tho o-o
2. 00:27:498 (4) - 00:36:553 (4) - 00:40:515 (5) - clap here SC3. you may choice another one but not default clap . two kinds of clap stacked together, soungs not very good. changed into whistle
3. 01:01:737 (1,2,4) - add slidertick sounds may highlight the rhythm better. I'll consider
4. 01:02:586 - try this? you use 2 long slider a little unsuitable. did some own changes
   
   picture

   
5. 01:15:036 - add sth? nope would like to have the emphasize on the finish later on for a greater impact

10:05 -Umi-: btw do you mind if i ask u to take a quick look at this ? '-'
10:05 *-Umi- is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/352880 Ray - ebb and flow (TV Size)]
10:05 Hinsvar: Hmm, yes I suppose.
10:05 -Umi-: i mean testplay/feedback
10:05 Hinsvar: Let me download it first...
10:05 -Umi-: ok see ya in 20min 
10:05 -Umi-: xD
10:05 Hinsvar: ...But I think I need to take a bath :P
10:05 Hinsvar: lol
10:05 Hinsvar: I'll go AFK for a while, then.
10:06 -Umi-: oh k i'll wait poke when you're back :3
10:17 Hinsvar: Well I'm back, but let me have my lunch first :P
10:17 Hinsvar: Already downloaded the map.
10:17 *Hinsvar is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/352880 Ray - ebb and flow (TV Size)]
10:17 -Umi-: sure lol
10:18 Hinsvar: lol
10:38 Hinsvar: Back.
10:38 Hinsvar: What do you need me to test?
10:38 Hinsvar: All of them? lol
10:39 -Umi-: wb
10:39 -Umi-: Hard/normal :3
10:39 Hinsvar: Okay then.
10:43 Hinsvar: Hmm, they were pretty enjoyable, I guess~
10:44 -Umi-: cool :3
10:44 Hinsvar: I have things to say for the Hard diff, though.
10:44 *-Umi- listen
10:44 Hinsvar: 00:06:276 (4,5,6) - These little 1/4 jumps are are... pretty hard to read, actually.
10:45 Hinsvar: Especially since (4) and (5)'s tails are stacked.
10:45 Hinsvar: It can be easily read as 1/2s.
10:45 Hinsvar: 00:10:237 (1,2,3) - This kind of 1/4 pattern is hard to sightread.
10:45 Hinsvar: It won't be a problem once you get used to it, but it's uncomfortable the first time you have to hit them~
10:46 -Umi-: about the first suggestion ok i did something else
10:46 -Umi-: but about the second i like it so 
10:46 Hinsvar: Yeah, the second was just a warning.
10:48 Hinsvar: 00:40:798 (3) - Definitely could use a clap with 20% volume.
10:48 -Umi-: nop
10:48 -Umi-: i already a perfct sound for this
10:48 -Umi-: already have*
10:49 -Umi-: listen
10:49 -Umi-: oh
10:49 -Umi-: lol my bad
10:49 -Umi-: i forgot to put it
10:49 -Umi-: SC 3
10:49 -Umi-: i put the finish
10:50 Hinsvar: lol sure
10:51 Hinsvar: 00:46:457 (1,1,1) - I'm not sure if it's just me, but I find the first slider throwing me off because of its length :P
10:51 Hinsvar: There's no way of knowing that it's a 1/2 slider since it's been pretty long since the last note.
10:52 Hinsvar: Okay, just one beat, but still relatively long enough.
10:52 -Umi-: it's not that hard to read imo >.<
10:53 Hinsvar: Hmm okay then, might be just me indeed.
10:53 -Umi-: i hope xD
10:54 Hinsvar: 01:03:152 (1,2) - Ctrl+G will be better since (1) is stacked below 01:02:586 (3) - , and stacking them fits how the vocal is "held" nicely.
10:55 -Umi-: it's intentional here '-' since it's exaclty the same vocal, it look good to do twice the same pattern :)
10:56 Hinsvar: I think they're not the same... but whatever I guess :P
10:56 Hinsvar: 01:24:374 (3) - Uh, why don't you NC this? o.o
10:56 -Umi-: if i did , remove NC here no ? 
10:56 -Umi-: 01:22:959 (1) - 
10:56 -Umi-: do*
10:57 Hinsvar: Yes, remove that one.
10:57 Hinsvar: Swap NC.
10:57 -Umi-: okay
10:58 Hinsvar: Okay, that should be it.
10:58 Hinsvar: Nothing to be said for Normal.
10:58 -Umi-: hehe well thx a lot hins =w=b
10:58 Hinsvar: No problem :D
10:59 -Umi-: feel free to post irc log :3 
10:59 Hinsvar: lol sure

1. 00:47:023 (3) - I can't really hear anything in the instrument that can be emphasized with a whistle... I think you should remove the whistle because of it (in short, it's unnecessary).
2. 00:50:418 (1) - Add an NC here to denote the change of the song's rhythm? (You know, since it gets very silent here...)
3. 00:54:663 (2) - Shorten it to 00:54:946 to follow the instrument on the downbeat? It feels way more comfortable this way; skipping that to follow the vocal doesn't really work well, you know. Also, you can try adding a default soft whistle at 00:54:946.

Oyatsu wrote:

Hi Ray-sama!! I'm OP1, why amnot I here for OP2?

General

1. I guess you can remove Widescreen Support. It should be for SB okay
2. 01:26:497 (1) - for all diffs, really spin've finished at 01:28:902 - . If only is spin is at end both mp3 and increase point, it should be bad, follow still is better. LEt consider plz/ If you accept to fix, don't forget to delete green lines after that and change volumn to be sensible prefer the current end

Hard

1. 00:07:125 (6) - It is just abit ignore, I guess you can still make better for now if use 1/8 snap. Let hear more carefully, it is really 3 piano points, it isn't only 2 like you think. Try this, my opinion, it is nicer!! it doesn't fit imo
   
   Example

   
2. 00:15:897 (5) - 276/324, previous is 1.30x and after that is 1.20x, It should be better, also so will be blanket for 00:15:331 (4) - fixed
3. 00:24:386 (4,7) - It should be NC, You know I often used this pattern and almost no NC, no player can be easier to read. Because jump and both stack. It should be a must I guess =w=. ok
4. 00:37:968 (3,4) - They were over rhythm, ignored some things, I can hear vocal sings from 00:37:968 - to 00:38:251 - , and stop and start again at 00:38:534 - . So, I request this 00:37:968 (3) - should be 1/2 slider and add a circle at 00:38:534 - well the long slider fit nicely the vocal so i would like keep it
5. 00:50:418 - 00:52:682 - THis is a Hard diff and no Insane, We need upgrade abit difficult, right? I prefer it is follow for vocal, also I like slow and increase slider play after that i like this break >.<
   
   Example

   
6. 00:53:531 (3) - Middle point is at 128/248 to blanket slider itself k
7. 01:05:982 (3) - I can hear finish-sound in instrument instead of whistle, just abit low, so put a finish at tail and add green line with 35% volum, 01:06:406 - add green line with 60% volumn to back normally volumn in kiai no need imo
8. 01:01:171 (7) - same above, Can you try my way? you will see it is correct ^
9. 01:19:281 (6) - again, just low, i still hear finish but to keep clap, should add both clasp and finish, you discrease volumn down 35% ^^ ^
10. 01:09:660 (4) - You can NC here? fixed
11. 01:25:789 (4) - Repeat here is abit nazi because near by the end of map, so try 1/2 slider and add a circle after that. Circle is at 176/252 to have a nice jump added circle but moved somewhere else

Normal

1. 00:10:237 (1,1) - this is really nazi, it was stacked. Only just start and stacked? it is so bad, I wanna move it other? It is better i did something else with xinely mod
2. 00:36:836 (1) - 340/60 to blanket with 00:36:270 (3) - fixed
3. 00:46:457 (2) - This is your plan? It is so curved, so made it abit ugly? You can make it more straight? ok
4. 00:53:531 (2) - tail is at 420/232, it will be blanket perfect already good imo '-'
5. 01:09:660 (7) - You ignored somethings, both vocal and instrument, Let hear, I can hear "na..au...i" like slider it will be only "na" and "i", so try 1/2 slider and add repeat, you can add clap prefer follow the voice here
6. 01:26:072 - There is clap in instrument, why do you ignore? Add circle and you will be perfect hitsoundprefer how it's now

GO!

Xinely wrote:

Yo 海 *flies*
Random mod here :3~

started to mod on 11th January, sorry if you're already fixed it before this mod `3`

• 
  General

1. i guess you're need soft-sliderslide3 to make 00:39:666 - (in Easy diff) become silent. too noisy for hear imo k added

• 
  Normal

1. 00:00:617 - aw i think it's obviously reason. it's really odd for me when you're skip this time with it downbeat and have a sound that need to follow. i would suggest to use http://puu.sh/6h9mc.jpg this rhythm >< fixed >.<
2. 00:03:163 (1) - i guess there is inconsistency spacing here ahuehue (1,23x) fixed
3. 00:04:012 (3) - i'm not really like this flow. the flow feels forced because the angle of slider's body. i would suggest for flip this slider like http://puu.sh/6h9wR.jpg for better flow [if you didn't fixed this, i just mention nazi thing that 00:05:427 (1) - have an inconsistency spacing (1,20x) here] ok
4. 00:10:237 - i feel too loud from this sound, i almost can't hear the music here. use 30% instead?nop 40% Enough
5. 00:10:237 (1,2) - i would suggest to swap rhythm of this slider (i mean become http://puu.sh/6h9UA.jpg ) to following vocal properly yep fixed
6. 00:15:897 (4,1) - i guess the from (4)'s tail to (1)'s head is too high, different with previous flow (from 3 to 4) >< . try https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1244748 this instead? fixed
7. 00:27:498 (6) - nazi 472,184 for natural flow here? ok
8. 00:27:781 (1,2) - swap the whistle? i mean remove whistle on circle because there is nothing sound which need to emphasize with whistle. and add whistle to (1)'s tail to emphasize the vocal. listen carefully '-'
9. 00:29:479 (4) - how about add whistle on tail to emphasize guitar sound here? i don't really like it
10. 00:34:006 (4) - really nazi, move to 352|48 and 00:34:572 (1) - 372,191 for make better symmetrical pattern here? http://puu.sh/6hZJp.jpg other way
11. 00:43:627 (1) - i prefer to use S:C1 whistle on repeat here since i hear a relax sound on that time not me >.<
12. 00:53:531 (2) - aw i feel the flow is too sharp here, make me uncomfortable. try rotate it around 15 degree ad put at 428,124? (if you agree, 00:54:380 (3) - fix spacing ahuehue) okay
13. 00:56:361 (4) - i feel a little bit forced flow again, move the tail to 388,132 to make smoother flow here?ok
14. 01:16:168 (2) - i would like to flip this slider for better/natural flow here yeah better
15. 01:24:374 (5,1) - swap the NC? because you're add finish on (5)'s head. i think you're need NC to emphasize that cymbal sound (and ofc consistency stanza too)ok

• 
  Hard

1. 00:06:276 (4,5,6) - i would suggest this placement to have better and easier flow here http://puu.sh/6i1aC.jpg
2. 00:24:952 (6) - whistle to emphasize the sound which appear in this time? if you agree, 00:25:517 (8) - remove the whistle since there is not any sound to emphasize. just personal taste here, feel free to reject :p i don't really like it
3. 00:26:366 (2) - nazi, current previous flow is diagonal line (curving) here so i would move this circle to 388,236 for keep consistency flow here ok
4. 00:42:212 (4) - aw i would suggest to follow vocal here, really odd when you're using 1/1 slider only ><. http://puu.sh/6i1Fp.jpg it's ok for me
5. 00:44:476 (4) - same as above but use http://puu.sh/6i1Kx.jpg this rhythm instead ^
6. 00:45:184 - add note for following low vocal (ku) here? no
7. 01:05:982 (3) - nazi, add NC for consistency stanza? also combo 7 seems kinda long for relax song like this >< 7 is ok for me
8. 01:12:490 (4) - feel a little weird flow too because the previous flow is diagonal line and become straight flow here. move to 320,252? nice fixed
   Meh Fun Diff that you've here :3

Good Luck Umi ~

Feverie wrote:

[Easy]

Maybe increase the Circle Size

00:23:254 (1) - Avoid this overlap this overlap is ok for me
00:34:006 (2) - Maybe move a bit closer to 00:34:572 (3) - it respect the DS so i don't see the problem '-'
01:22:394 (4) - Move a bit closer 01:22:394 (4) - same here
01:24:657 (2) - ^ ^

Some of the jumps here are a bit hard for Easy where did u see jump ? everything have the same distance spacing '-'

[Normal]

00:00:617 (1,2) - Try to make these go in the same direction fixed
00:34:572 (1) - Overlap with 00:35:421 (2) - Try to avoid idk why people complain about this everytime, it's not really ugly or hard to read but well fixed
01:10:792 (1) - ^ ^

- Melody wrote:

M4M ~ ♥


♥: Must fix
♥: Suggestion


General ;

Maybe you'll find a spinner background who don't have a square shape, try to find a circle background? It would look more prettier >w< i personnally prefer the current one


xChippy's Easy ;

♥00:04:012 (4) - 1 grid down, 1 grid right, 3 grids down. It makes a better flow for newbies imo. c: fixed more or less


Normal ;

♥00:19:575 (2,3,4) - To make a better Triangle move this 00:20:707 (4) - One grid to the leftother way
♥00:36:836 (1) - Move the 3rd square to : x276 y164 current is ok


Hard ;

♥00:18:443 (6) - Move this to : x330 y316 , to make it equal with 00:17:877 (4) other way
♥00:19:575 (2) - ^ ^
♥00:26:366 (2) - Move this to : x274 y284 no anti jump better imo
♥00:41:364 (1,2,3) - Make these like this ? nop intentional

SPOILER

♥00:43:627 (1,2,3) - ^ (Maybe the same?) ^
♥00:50:984 - 00:51:550 - 00:52:116 - Maybe fill that Vocals like this ? this break fit imo

SPOILER

♥01:02:303 (2,3,1,2) - Maybe do it like this ? prefer mine :

SPOILER

~That was it. Awsum diffus and hitsounds.

Rank dis!!1 ~ Star ♥

deejaydray wrote:

Hello, NM from my queue :3

I think the KIAI time is too long in all difficulties, maybe you should end it at 01:10:792

xChippy's EASY:

First of all, you should change the Beat snap divisor from 1/4 to 1/2, since it's Easy it's not a problem here '-'
01:03:152 (2) - I would delete the repeat part of this slider there is a beat at 01:03:718 - i don't want skip it
Everything else is good ^^

NORMAL:

00:50:984 - I would add a circle here well as i said in previous mod's reply i prefer keep this break it really fit the song imo :/
00:51:550 - ^ same
00:52:116 - ^ same
00:55:795 (3) - you should make this slider same as this 00:54:663 and then move this slider 00:56:361 (4) to 00:56:644 but delete the repeat part i prefer the current rythm here >.<

HARD:

00:50:984 - I would add a slider here that ends at 00:51:409 same as normal here ^^
00:51:550 - copy/paste the same slider from above
00:52:116 - and here try to put a slider that ends at 00:52:399 (you should use the first 2 ideas if you want to use the last one)

This is all! ^^ I really really like your map, everything is so perfect in my opinion, the colors, the hitsounds, the music, everything! I will shoot a star for your map, hope you will get it ranked because it really deserves !

Lissette wrote:

Hi~

[Hard]
00:38:817 (4,1) - There's something here that dosent fit very well. Its sounds cool, if you follow the vocals here, for example, using a 1/2 slider starting here 00:38:817 - with a reverse. Also adding a note here 00:39:383 - i did something else here '-'
00:41:929 (3,4) - sounds better if you make a slider from 00:41:929 - to 00:42:495 - instead, and add a note here 00:42:778 - i'm following the guitar here '-'
01:10:226 - useless timing point deleted
not sure why you have widescreen support enabled disabled

[Normal]
00:20:990 (1) - sounds better if you move this slider 1/2 earlier, and then add a note here 00:21:556 - i think it's more about preference here, you prefer follow the voice but i prefer follow the beat >.<
00:23:254 (1,2) - I didnt like these two sliders, doesn't follow the rhythm very well same here following the beat
00:41:364 (1,2,3,1) - remove one reverse from 1 and move 2 1/2 earlier, then add a note here 00:43:344 - and 00:43:627 (1) - move 1/2 latar, removing one reverse, something like this http://puu.sh/6nuzF.jpg well same as hard diff according to the guitar my rythm fit better
01:01:171 - useless timing point deleted
01:06:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Weird long combo, compared to the rest, maybe a mistake? fixed
01:19:847 (1,2) - I think sounds and play better if you make 1 a single note, because will emphasize 2 ok fixed

[xChippy's Easy]
Thats a great amount of sliders compared to circles for a Easy diff, now you have 64 sliders and 14 circles, people think sliders are easier to play for begginers when is not, so is not a good idea to have way more sliders than circles on the easiest one.
replying for him since he is busy with his exam actually, well i don't think it's a big problem, i also prefer use lot of sliders in my easy diff and i never got any remark on this '-'

Pretty cute map~

-Umi- wrote:

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on mardi 21 janvier 2014 at 12:24:37

Artist: Ray
Title: ebb and flow (TV Size)
Source: Nagi no Asukara
Tags: 凪のあすから xChippy opening
BPM: 106,02
Filesize: 9244kb
Play Time: 01:29
Difficulties Available:

1. Hard (4,75 stars, 178 notes)
2. Normal (4,21 stars, 124 notes)
3. xChippy's Easy (2,18 stars, 80 notes)

Download: Ray - ebb and flow (TV Size)
Download: Ray - ebb and flow (TV Size) (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
---------------
Ray <3

Easy - done by xChippy
Normal - done
Hard - done

Special thanks to Sharlo for skin.

Esp3onlol wrote:

You recently changed the Hard rank and I don't understand why you or someone changed it. It doesn't play at all with the beat and it's just a clutter, before it was fun, now it's just.... Odd.

Byakugan249 wrote:

just as i thought. i owe you a mod from my queue ><.

[General]
CLEAR~!

[Normal]
use tickrate 2 for this as well. same reason as easy. okay
00:16:173 (1) - perhaps you can use a 1/2 repeat slider to follow the vocals more accurately? the current slider follow nicely the instrument so i would like keep it :3
00:28:614 (3,4) - listen to the vocals for this one. replace this for a circle and a 1/2 slider. why? because the circle follows "ni" and the repeat slider follows "egao" showing that the repeat slider is connected to the vocals during gameplay. alright fixed
01:00:565 (4) - even though this is a normal diff, this 1/4 repeat could throw off amateurs when playing during gameplay considering how much time they have to react.why don't you follow the guitar instead of the drums. replace this for a 1/1 slider and a circle. you have to listen carefully when you do this. i personnally think it's not that hard considering the bpm >.<
01:18:661 (4) - same idea here. this time switch the rhythm by doing a circle and a 1/1 slider for variation. ^

[Hard]
here as well. use tickrate 2 because of the BGM. okay desu
00:29:179 (5) - just a nazi thing but...i say that you stack this perfectly to make the transition a bit nicer during gameplay. fixed
00:35:117 (4) - think you can close the spacing a bit for this diamond pattern to be evened out? yeah better
01:04:240 (5) - i think you can move this note here. same reason as above about evening this out. not here, because i use the same pattern as before i mean 01:03:109 (2,3) -


and that's all i got. sorry but i'm gonna have to pop this due to the easy's rhythm selections being too hard. xChippy if you want, we can go through your diff. just pm me in-game if you'd like to do it.