05:42 Silynn: after I finish playing through your mapset
05:42 Silynn: I can either do an IRC mod with you or make a post
05:42 Silynn: which would you prefer
05:43 HanzeR: irc isf ine its easier haha
05:43 HanzeR: lol
05:43 HanzeR: fancy
05:45 Silynn: ahh it froze
05:49 HanzeR: make sure you make a post this time though last time you didnt and i never got to give you points ><
05:49 Silynn: aha okay
05:51 Silynn: one thing
05:51 Silynn: I'm not going to make you do this
05:51 Silynn: but it's very possible a MAT or BAT will
05:51 HanzeR: hm
05:51 HanzeR: what
05:51 Silynn: your diff spread is to be honest
05:51 Silynn: too large
05:51 Silynn: like
05:51 Silynn: this is a pretty easy diff
05:52 Silynn: with the hard diff being a fair amount harder
05:52 Silynn: you might need a diff
05:52 Silynn: in between them
05:52 Silynn: however, it's not necessary
05:52 Silynn: just saying that it might come up
05:52 Silynn: I don't know for sure what BATs are going to think about it though
05:52 HanzeR: yeah i wasnt sure
05:52 HanzeR: the hard is only 4.5
05:55 HanzeR: dat pen
05:55 Silynn: idk how to dance
05:56 HanzeR: silynn ur gonna get #1 if this gets ranked ok
05:58 Silynn: well I could probably SS
05:58 Silynn: but I bet shilkey would 3 mod
05:58 HanzeR: haha
05:59 Silynn: okay so
05:59 ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/193223 Madaiko - Merry * Xmas [Merry Merry]]
05:59 Silynn: tbh
05:59 Silynn: AR+1
05:59 HanzeR: ok
05:59 Silynn: really slow isn't necessarily good, even on easy diff maps
06:00 Silynn: I usually don't go lower than 5
06:00 HanzeR: yeah i have no idae so 5 works
06:01 Silynn: god dammit AI mod is so garbage lol
06:01 Silynn: one sec
06:03 Silynn: 00:20:579 (1,2,3) - ahhh
06:03 Silynn: this part plays so awkward
06:05 HanzeR: why
06:05 HanzeR: the stack?
06:05 Silynn: no
06:05 Silynn: the timing
06:05 Silynn: uhm
06:05 Silynn: try this out
06:05 Silynn: 00:22:579 (3) -
06:06 Silynn: shit
06:06 Silynn: wrong
06:06 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BMv106:07 HanzeR: ok
06:07 HanzeR: i did this
06:07 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMwO06:08 Silynn: ehhh
06:08 Silynn: that doesn't seem like it works
06:08 Silynn: what does the timeline look like
06:08 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMyk06:09 HanzeR: ohh
06:09 HanzeR: hm
06:09 Silynn: nah
06:09 Silynn: still awkward
06:09 Silynn: the problem is
06:09 Silynn: you're putting a note on a white tick
06:09 Silynn: where there isn't actually a note in the music
06:09 Silynn: so if you put it like this instead
06:09 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BMzq06:10 Silynn: you're not hitting that tick, but it makes it easy to play
06:10 Silynn: try mapping it like that
06:10 Silynn: and listen to how it sounds
06:10 HanzeR: mmmmmok
06:10 Silynn: you need to have the hit at 21:746 and not21:913
06:12 HanzeR: does this touch the scoreboard too much
06:12 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMCF06:12 Silynn: yes indeed
06:12 HanzeR: tt
06:13 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BMDi I tried it like this
06:13 Silynn: uhm
06:13 Silynn: there's a few things you can do I guess
06:14 HanzeR: alright i like this one
06:14 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMFe06:14 HanzeR: ok
06:14 HanzeR: next
06:14 Silynn: okay
06:14 Silynn: yeah
06:14 Silynn: that should work
06:15 Silynn: you see what I mean though, with the timing?
06:15 HanzeR: mhm
06:16 Silynn: 00:25:913 (5) -
06:16 Silynn: I think this should be made into a slider ending at 26:579
06:16 Silynn: (NC)
06:16 Silynn: basically I think this part sounds better mapped like this
06:16 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BMI106:17 Silynn: but that's my preference, it'
06:17 Silynn: is not a huge deal
06:20 HanzeR: ok
06:21 Silynn: ok
06:21 Silynn: then I think you need another note at 28:579
06:21 Silynn: w/ NC
06:22 HanzeR: thats too many little sliders
06:22 HanzeR: i thinik
06:22 HanzeR: aha
06:22 Silynn: wat
06:22 HanzeR: here
06:22 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMOI06:23 HanzeR: ?
06:23 HanzeR: i kinda like how it falls into the crash too
06:23 HanzeR: i dunno
06:24 Silynn: ahh I don't even know what you did lol
06:24 HanzeR: wat
06:25 Silynn: you didn't give me enough of the timeline to the left
06:25 HanzeR: oh i only changed that one part
06:25 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BMSi06:27 Silynn: uh
06:27 Silynn: submit it lol
06:27 Silynn: I still don't get it ;;
06:28 HanzeR: x.x
06:28 HanzeR: ok
06:28 Silynn: ok
06:28 Silynn: 00:25:913 (3) -
06:29 Silynn: NC
06:29 Silynn: 00:34:913 (1) - I don't know the exact rules on this
06:29 Silynn: but this might be too far off the screen
06:29 Silynn: 00:42:579 (2) - same here
06:30 Silynn: 00:43:246 (3,4) - put these further apart
06:30 Silynn: make sure 4 is still 1.0x away from the next slider, though
06:30 HanzeR: ok
06:31 Silynn: 00:49:246 (4) - this is sketchy too
06:31 Silynn: idk what is too far off the screen and what isn't
06:31 Silynn: lol
06:32 HanzeR: mm
06:32 Silynn: 00:50:246 (1) - I think this
http://puu.sh/1BMZT fits better than the reverse
06:34 Silynn: 01:15:579 (3,4) - I like these more as a slider
06:34 HanzeR: k
06:35 Silynn: 02:03:245 (1) - remove NC
06:35 Silynn: 02:04:579 (2) - add NC
06:35 Silynn: 02:05:912 (1) - remove NC
06:35 Silynn: 02:07:245 (2) - add NC
06:36 Silynn: 02:08:578 (1) - remove NC
06:36 HanzeR: k
06:37 Silynn: 03:12:579 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this whole part needs remap imo
06:37 HanzeR: tt
06:38 HanzeR: lol how should i map it
06:38 HanzeR: like
06:40 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BN8D06:40 Silynn: the red 1 is at 3:11:246
06:42 HanzeR: yeah
06:42 HanzeR: i was worried about sing red ticks in an easy
06:42 HanzeR: like that
06:42 Silynn: it depends
06:42 Silynn: uhm
06:43 Silynn: it can be fine
06:43 Silynn: in this case
06:43 Silynn: there is no other way to map it
06:43 Silynn: unless you want to make it sound completely off and wrong
06:43 Silynn: or turn it into a break
06:43 Silynn: so this is fine
06:43 Silynn: also it's a little better
06:43 Silynn: because the sliders
06:43 Silynn: are the ones with the weird timing
06:43 Silynn: since you don't need to be 100% correct to hit a slider
06:43 Silynn: with a 300
06:43 Silynn: it works out
06:45 Silynn: 03:33:913 (1) - remove nc
06:45 Silynn: 03:35:246 (3) - add nc
06:46 HanzeR: mk
06:47 Silynn: 03:37:913 (4,5,6) -
06:47 Silynn: change this
06:47 Silynn: one sec
06:47 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BNhB06:47 Silynn: green 1 at 3:37:913
06:50 HanzeR: mk
06:51 Silynn: yeah
06:51 Silynn: I think that's it for the easy
06:51 Silynn: lol
06:51 HanzeR: \o/
06:52 HanzeR: haha now its 3 stars
06:52 HanzeR: maybe i wont need a 4th diff `
06:52 Silynn: maybe not
06:54 Silynn: okay
06:55 Silynn: just went through it
06:55 Silynn: I think it plays better now, but I might have missed one thing
06:55 HanzeR: oh
06:57 Silynn: 00:49:246 (4) -
06:57 Silynn: this part
06:57 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BNtA I think it's better mapped like this /o/ or something
06:58 HanzeR: isnt there something about putting notes too close to a spinner
06:58 HanzeR: in easy
06:58 HanzeR: i dunno
06:58 Silynn: no
06:58 Silynn: there isn't
06:58 Silynn: it's too close to the end
06:58 Silynn: of a spinner
06:58 HanzeR: ohh
06:58 Silynn: you can have them as close to the start as you want
06:58 Silynn: that's not really relevant lol
06:59 Silynn: because you have to reposition at the end of a spinner
06:59 Silynn: but at the start you just start spinning
06:59 Silynn: it doesn't matter where your cursor is
07:00 HanzeR: k
07:00 Silynn: k
07:00 Silynn: anyways yeah that's it for normal
07:00 Silynn: I played through and everything else is fine
07:01 Silynn: yay time for hard
07:01 Silynn: I have a lot of shit to say about this
07:01 Silynn: ahaha
07:01 HanzeR: tt
07:01 Silynn: first is
07:01 Silynn: 00:35:246 (2) -
07:01 Silynn: WHY
07:01 Silynn: WOULD
07:01 Silynn: YOU
07:01 Silynn: DO THIS
07:01 Silynn: ;;
07:01 Silynn: it's horribly difficult to read
07:01 Silynn: and not intuitive at all
07:02 HanzeR: i dunno lol
07:02 Silynn: anyways that's the biggest thing
07:02 Silynn: most of those sliders like that
07:02 Silynn: I am going to make you change
07:02 Silynn: because they are awful
07:02 Silynn: and evil
07:02 Silynn: and no fun
07:02 HanzeR: haha ok
07:03 Silynn: k so I don't know why
07:03 Silynn: but
07:03 Silynn: 00:00:580 (1,2) -
07:03 Silynn: this is awkward
07:03 Silynn: idk why
07:04 Silynn: it sounds weirdf
07:04 Silynn: I am probably
07:04 Silynn: just going insane
07:04 HanzeR: silynn
07:04 HanzeR: i dont see it
07:05 Silynn: I know
07:05 Silynn: ;_;
07:05 HanzeR: aha
07:05 Silynn: It's all in my head
07:05 HanzeR: i dunno i thought it was cool (´ー`)
07:06 Silynn: 00:20:079 (1) - spacing here
07:06 Silynn: is too low
07:06 Silynn: make it 1.0 lol
07:06 Silynn: either 1.0
07:06 Silynn: or 0x
07:06 Silynn: like basically
07:06 Silynn: you can stack it on either end of the slider before it
07:06 Silynn: or make the spacing 1.0x
07:07 Silynn: it's weird having a different timing on it
07:07 Silynn: but making it the same spacing as the previous notes
07:08 HanzeR: mhm
07:08 HanzeR: ok i changed it
07:08 Silynn: ok
07:08 Silynn: 00:35:246 (2) - idc what you do to this
07:08 Silynn: just make it not this
07:08 Silynn: I miss the last reverse
07:08 Silynn: every
07:08 Silynn: single
07:08 Silynn: tim
07:08 Silynn: time
07:09 Silynn: 00:43:246 (4) - this too
07:09 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BNHu ?
07:10 Silynn: yeah that works
07:10 Silynn: 00:49:913 (1,2,3) -
07:10 Silynn: map like this imo
07:10 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BNJ807:10 HanzeR: i think it kind of fits at 00:43:246 (4)-
07:10 HanzeR: i dunno
07:10 HanzeR: lyrically
07:10 Silynn: yeah that one is not as evil
07:10 Silynn: you can keep that one
07:10 Silynn: I guess
07:11 Silynn: 01:39:246 (1) - you know what to do :<
07:13 Silynn: 02:26:134 -
07:13 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BNMy07:15 HanzeR: k
07:15 Silynn: 02:36:579 (1,2,3,4) -
07:15 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BNPw07:15 Silynn: maybe
07:17 Silynn: 03:16:413 (1,2,3,4) - this is no
07:17 Silynn: just no
07:18 HanzeR: D:
07:18 Silynn: just
07:18 Silynn: no
07:18 Silynn: lol
07:19 HanzeR: i dunno jumps are cool sometimes
07:19 Silynn: well
07:19 Silynn: the problem is
07:19 Silynn: it's not readable
07:19 Silynn: cause of the pattern and consistent spacing
07:20 HanzeR:
http://puu.sh/1BNVG07:20 HanzeR: now theres a jump and its readable maybe?
07:21 Silynn: yeah maybe
07:21 Silynn: aha
07:22 Silynn: I had less to say about that than I thought
07:22 HanzeR: haha
07:28 Silynn: anyway7s that's it for those 2 yeah
07:28 Silynn: gimme a little bit
07:28 Silynn: to go do something
07:28 HanzeR: yuppp
07:28 Silynn: and I'll go through the last one
07:28 Silynn: I guess at around
07:28 Silynn: 20:00 my time
07:28 Silynn: so half an hour
07:28 Silynn: if that's okay
07:29 HanzeR: ok
09:58 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BQTK09:58 Silynn: >>
10:00 HanzeR: i dont like the 2 notes hanging off the end like that
10:00 HanzeR: and i know i do that everywhere in this map
10:00 HanzeR: but i dont luike that either
10:00 HanzeR: haha
10:00 Silynn: okay
10:00 Silynn: well you can keep it as is it doesn't matter
10:00 Silynn: however
10:00 Silynn: I think you should do this
10:01 Silynn: 00:01:746 (1) - delete this note
10:01 Silynn: then take 5
10:01 Silynn: and stack it on top of the next slider
10:01 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BQWA10:02 HanzeR: fancy
10:02 HanzeR: ok
10:02 Silynn: I think that works better lol
10:02 HanzeR: i put a triple in between the two sliders
10:02 HanzeR: but im keeping the last 1/4 slider
10:03 HanzeR: i think that wokrs
10:03 Silynn: okay
10:04 Silynn: yeah
10:04 Silynn: 00:05:913 (1,2) - I always thought these were ugly D:
10:05 HanzeR: mmm
10:05 Silynn: but you don't have to change them lol
10:05 Silynn: 00:04:913 (2) - move this 1 grid to the right
10:05 Silynn: (grid level 4)
10:05 Silynn: 00:09:579 (5) - 1 grid to the right
10:06 HanzeR: ok
10:06 Silynn: yay nazi mods /o/
10:06 HanzeR: curved sliders with 4 points look so weird now
10:06 HanzeR: aha
10:07 Silynn: 00:20:246 (8) - coordinate: x:166 y:266
10:07 Silynn: 226**
10:08 Silynn: 00:30:913 (2,3,4) - these are awkward
10:08 Silynn: you don't have to change it
10:08 Silynn: but I like it more if it's stacked on the end of the slider or runs off the end of the slider
10:08 Silynn: not off the middle
10:08 Silynn: lol
10:09 HanzeR: how do you move that to 226
10:09 HanzeR: it wont let me
10:09 HanzeR: it skips to 228
10:09 HanzeR: lol
10:09 Silynn: hold shift
10:09 Silynn: while moving
10:10 Silynn: alternatively, edit the .osu
10:10 HanzeR: cool
10:10 HanzeR: ok
10:10 Silynn: 00:55:246 (1,2,3) - this is kind of ehhh
10:11 Silynn: 00:56:246 (5) - hold shift down and move this
10:11 Silynn: (make sure distance snap is 1.0x)
10:12 Silynn: 01:06:913 (5) - same here
10:12 HanzeR: k
10:13 Silynn: 01:16:246 (1) - move this so it isn't going off the screen
10:13 Silynn: I kind of like it right here:
10:13 Silynn:
http://puu.sh/1BR9810:14 HanzeR: k
10:16 Silynn: 01:25:246 (3,4,5) - eww
10:16 HanzeR: ok
10:18 Silynn: 02:39:246 (9) - try to make this hole more teardrop shaped
10:18 Silynn: it's a little prettier that way
10:18 Silynn: tbh there isn't really much wrong with this map
10:18 Silynn: it's timed well and the patterns are readable and fun for the most part
10:18 Silynn: there's just a lot of random aesthetic issues
10:18 HanzeR: which ones arent fun
10:18 HanzeR: aha
10:18 HanzeR: thats important
10:19 Silynn: things that aren't stacked correctly, and a few sliders that are note cute
10:19 Silynn: not**
10:19 Silynn: uhm
10:19 HanzeR: okk
10:20 HanzeR: this is so ugly
10:20 HanzeR: 03:24:579 (1,2,3)-
10:20 HanzeR: and every time i play it
10:20 HanzeR: i go
10:20 HanzeR: this is so ugly
10:20 HanzeR: but ive never fixed it
10:20 HanzeR: lol
10:21 Silynn: mmm
10:21 Silynn: yeah like
10:21 Silynn: the map is good
10:21 Silynn: but idk
10:21 Silynn: a lot of things seem lazy
10:21 Silynn: lazy sliders, lazily placed
10:21 Silynn: I think you should really take some time
10:21 Silynn: go through the whole map, and look at each combo
10:21 Silynn: and for each combo ask yourself
10:21 Silynn: "Am I happy with how this looks? Or can I make it a bit prettier"
10:21 Silynn: and if you think you can, then change it a little bit
10:22 Silynn: even if it's just moving a single slider point over by a little bit
10:23 HanzeR: yeah
10:23 HanzeR: mm
10:23 Silynn: the map is fun to play and well timed, and those are the most important things
10:23 Silynn: but don't completely disregard aesthetics lol
10:23 Silynn: and things like that will also give you trouble with other modders and MAT/BAT down the road
10:23 Silynn: a lot of people do "nazi mod" things
10:23 Silynn: which are not the most productive mods, but still somewhat important
10:35 HanzeR: i never liked about this map is that basically the entire main rythym for the entire song is 1/2 notes
10:35 HanzeR: i dunno how i can fix that tho
10:35 HanzeR: o well
10:35 HanzeR: silynn go make a post ok
10:35 Silynn: well
10:35 Silynn: what you do
10:35 Silynn: is change up how you use your sliders
10:35 Silynn: and do different slider/note patterns
10:36 Silynn: and also just put in jumps
10:36 Silynn: like koi budou
10:36 Silynn: is just 1/2
10:36 Silynn: the entire time
10:37 HanzeR: yeah
10:37 HanzeR: i could probably do it now
10:37 HanzeR: i just had no idea at the time
10:37 HanzeR: and it would take so much to change
10:37 HanzeR: that much now
10:37 HanzeR: haha
10:37 HanzeR: SILYNN GO MAKE A POST
10:37 HanzeR: your gonna not do it again and you wont get points lol
10:38 Silynn: yeah
10:38 Silynn: it would take a lot of time
10:38 Silynn: lol
10:38 Silynn: it's fine as it is so
10:38 Silynn: also
10:38 Silynn: okay
10:38 Silynn: ;;