omg i cant wait

Approval go!

Lol, people, calm down please

grumd wrote:

His userpage tells he's male, but whatever, I don't know.

Nah, Agnes is a girl. LOL

Gabe wrote:

grumd wrote:

His userpage tells he's male, but whatever, I don't know.

Nah, Agnes is a girl. LOL

ok ._.
my fault

I think this don't need my mod becouse of the second bubble.
PM me if you still need it.

This Map/ This Song is so beautiful!

This taiko needs oodles and boodles of work to it. Too much blank spots with no music, there's a huge break in there where there could be just a couple notes or so as to make it a little rest place instead of a whole break. I would mod it but it would be tedious and I don't have the time.

Sorry.

Well, your opinion is always your opinion. Plenty of players/modders told that this taiko is very good and do not need any improvement. That might be just your personal feeling, really. If you are talking about the last part of the song then you just do not understand Odaril's decreasing heartbeat pattern. This map has got two bubbles, so I don't think it is so bad as you say. Anyway! If some other people confirm your thoughts, I'll see what I can do.

I hoped Backfire is mistaken, but to be honest. there are parts in the taiko that sound totally messy (despite the fact that the songs selfs does, too)
But many of the doubles should be triplets and it's partially under- and overmapped. (especially at around 01:25:xx - this part feels totally random)

If you want, I can take a deeper look into the taiko, even if I don't want you to pop you two bubbles. ;W; sorry.

I can't apply any mods to the taiko without Odaril. And he's left.
All we can do: rank it as is or delete the taiko guest diff (I hope I will not have to).
This taiko is still enjoyable to play, and, imo, a bit of randomness is not a big deal since this is part of Odaril's mapping style. Don't make people think that this mapset sucks ._.

Agnes told me to mod it, if I have a lot of objections how the map is mapped. Since Odaril is gone for now, you have to recheck the whole (and apparantly really huge) list of suggestions on your own. In my eyes, this map has been mapped while having it on 50% playback time, which results in odd patterns, which are barely playable and also the many doubles and missing parts, Backfire already mentioned. I try to point out the most of them, since this has already been bubbled twice. I am pretty disappointed that the mess of this map has been overseen. If you want, I can ask Odaril, if you can apply the changes on your own.
Applying this will result in popping your bubbles (since this is a significant change), blahblah, you know that. Therefore, it's a
difficult song to map a taiko on.
If this mod gets ignored and get approved by skipping me, I really doubt the quality of the taiko modding abilites of the current MAT/BAT.
Just wanted to say that right before.

Set life drain to 4 due to length

00:48:825 (2) - remove
00:48:912 - ddk (1/4)
00:50:141 (1) - dkk
00:50:491 - add kat
00:51:983 (1) - kat

00:56:807 (1) - kat
00:57:158 (1) - DON
00:58:474 (1) - kat
01:00:053 (2) - remove
01:01:544 - add kat

01:01:720 (2) - remove
01:03:649 (1) - kat
01:03:474 (1,1,1,2) - ddkd
01:04:176 (1) - remove
01:04:351 (1) - don
01:04:527 (2,1,1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - remove this, instead place:
01:04:702 - kat
01:05:053 - kat
01:05:228 - kkkdkdd (1/4)
results in:

01:05:579 (1) - kat
01:06:105 - add kat
01:06:281 (2) - remove
01:08:474 (1) - don
01:08:912 (1) - remove
01:09:000 (1) - dkd kddk

01:09:790 (2) - since i forgot how it was at the beginning, just remove everything till 01:09:965 (4) - and place a kat at 01:09:965 (4)
results in

01:11:895 (2) - remove
01:12:334 (1) - don

01:13:825 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - simply, no. replace with a spinner.

01:16:807 (1) - kkd d
01:17:334 (1) - kkk
01:19:263 (1) - dkk d
01:18:649 (1) - dkkk
01:20:316 - add kat

01:21:895 (1) - kkd k
01:22:772 - add don
01:23:386 (1) - ddkkdkkk (1/4)
01:24:439 (1) - dkdk
01:27:334 (2) - dk k kd

01:29:439 (2) - ddddk
01:32:334 (1) - kat
01:32:509 (1) - kat
01:33:474 - add kat
01:33:562 (1) - remove

01:33:912 (1) - don
01:34:000 (3) - kat
01:34:263 (1) - kat
01:35:228 - add kat
01:36:193 (1) - dkd (1/4)

01:37:246 (1) - dkkdkdkd (1/4)
01:37:948 (2) - remove
01:38:035 - kdd (1/4)
01:38:737 (1,2) - this doesnt work, maybe use a slider instead
01:41:544 - add kat

01:42:597 - ddk kdkdd
01:45:755 (2) - kat
01:46:369 (2) - kat
01:46:632 (1) - ddkdkdk

01:46:632 (1) - kdkd [dddd (1/6)]
01:54:702 (2) - kkk
01:55:316 (1) - kddk
01:56:018 - add kat
01:57:158 - add kat

01:57:158 - add don
01:57:509 (1) - ddkdkdkkk

<break>

02:24:176 - add don
02:25:053 - add don
02:25:755 - add don
02:26:632 (2) - kkddkdk
02:27:860 (2) - kat

02:28:211 - add don
02:29:088 (1,1,2,1) - kkkk
02:29:790 (1) - don
02:34:439 (1) - kat
02:34:790 (3,1) - dk

02:44:176 (4,5,1) - dkk
02:48:912 (1) - ddkdkkkkk [kkkk]kkdd: http://puu.sh/yOq1
02:50:404 - ddk
02:50:667 - ddk

02:51:603 (1,2) - kk
02:52:684 (1) - kat
02:54:176 (1) - kat
02:54:351 (1,1,2,1,2,1,1) - dkkkkkk
02:55:755 (1,1,2) - kkk

02:57:158 (1) - kat
02:57:421 (1) - remove
02:57:509 - KAT
02:57:597 (2) - remove
03:00:404 (3) - remove

03:10:053 (1) - remove
03:08:825 (2) - move forward to white tick
03:10:316 (1) and following - http://puu.sh/yOzQ
03:11:720 (1) and following - repeat ^
03:12:948 - ddd

03:28:211 - add kat
03:33:386 (1,1,1,1) - dkdk
03:35:491 (2,1,1,1) - ^

03:59:263 (1,2,3,4) - dddk
03:59:614 (1,1,2,1) - dddk


To be honest, I got tired when reaching the end, but the 2nd kiai seems better than the first. Nevertheless, this needs another supervision by a true taiko modder (ask OnosakiHito, Backfire or wmfchris, latter would probably refuse because he dislikes this music)
Bubbling this diff is still not possible. The standard diff is superb, now take care of this Oni.

Leaving you a star anyways, since this deserves to be approved sooner or later.

Edit: removing the diff would be sad, replacing by another would be worth it, too. Since I believe that you want to have a high quality mapset, you should probably don't give a poot about the bubbles you've just received and improve this mapset if there is enough space for it.
Tbh, this song deserves a taiko diff (and even a CtB, whatever) and it would be sad if you just remove the diff for the sake of getting this approved as fast as possible.
I'm sure you'll be able to reobtain all the bubbles pretty quickly even after replacing or editing the Taiko diff.

Если ты согласишься применять мод (что я тебе, в принципе, рекомендую сделать, ибо Локтав хорош в тайко), подумай над тем, чтобы заодно переименовать стандартную дифку. Две одинаковые надписи, написанные рядом разным регистром, могут выглядеть не очень хорошо.

I'll check that all tomorrow or the day after. Tomorrow I have my last exam, after this I'll be able to login more often.
When looking throught the mod, I will mostly trust my ears and your modding, because I have no experience in taiko playing. That's why I wasn't looking forward to fixing anything in taiko...
Also: what is kat and what is don, answer please ;w;

I've already asked wmf. He refused the request because of music (after I've get into his queue), and Odaril told something like "oh, nice behaviour for a BAT". But nvm, I'll also try to ask Ono or Backfire...
You know, the reason I wanted to get this approved is that I will go to a vacation on 14th, and will not be able to login long time after that... But whatever, if this taiko is so bad, I'll try to improve it.

And, at last, thanks for your time and modding ^^


Edit: @TicClick: А мне нравится так называть дифки из этого альбома горщит. Пускай остаётся.

don = red objects
kat = blue objects
DON/KAT = finish object (big don/kat)

Why do you think it's my fault for not modding this? It's about my disabilities and when I hear the middle part I get some immediate headache.

[Taiko]
- In such a long song with quite a lot of notes, it's very easy to fail with a smaller proportion of misses so HP 4 or 5 is appropiate. If you want equivalent difficulty set OD6.
- artificially remove the break

00:51:369 - the combination of duplets and single notes does not fit the song with some triplets, and the triplets is often between a single note and a duplet and that may distort the rhythm.
01:00:579 (1) - d here since the music only provides two kat-like sound and dd dk dd dk around there would be suitable
01:13:825 - to produce even larger contrast you may consider using more dons like kkkk ddkk dddd
01:48:562 - the separation of accents is long + 2 short and the current one is 2 long + short so kdddkdkdk is better
02:27:158 - d as the music indiccated
02:44:527 - try kdkkddk?
03:19:790 - comparing with previous 1/6 this is stronger, sharper and shorter. 1/6 duplet or triplet may produce such effect.
03:22:597 - ^
03:45:053 - ^
04:43:825 - kdd may work well with the drum
05:00:667 - dddk
Some 1/6 is missed indicated by music; I agree that there're quite a lot of randomness especially in the kiai time (refer to Loctav's mod) but some of them is done nicely.

@grumd: I guess it might be better to entrust the difficulty to another Taiko mapper.

@wmf: I've just told what Odaril said. I understand your problem, so sorry for that. And thank you.

@lepidopodus: well, I don't want to remove the diff because people have spent their time on mods already. Maybe it's better to trust any experienced mapper to fix that taiko and make any changes? This also may take less time, I think...

And suddenly they appear. Lol.
*throws some aspirine to wmf* Even my ears started to get pooted up in the middle and it took me forever to hear anything during the kiais.


Whatsoever. Do your exams and then apply the changes that sound fine for you. After doing so, I can recheck it and see, if I can still improve it.
Then we should get in touch with OnosakiHito (he's pretty experienced in such kind of maps)
When we did all the mods, submit it and let's get this awesomeness rebubbled ;3

Ok guys, I tried to apply taiko mods but I just can't... I understand nothing there.

Who wants to map a taiko for it?

lepidopodus wrote:

@grumd: I guess it might be better to entrust the difficulty to another Taiko mapper.

As extremely rude as that is, do this. I am personnally not satisfied with this taiko either, as it sounds pretty random to me, but thinking it made sense with the music, I let it go by. If this taiko shouldn't be bubbled, then pop the bubble.

I will still have a look at the mods and apply them the best I can. Backfire, could you two post at least the times of the parts that were really that bad (I meant compared to the rest of the map, don't go saying the whole diff was that bad). Or generally what exactly's wrong my what I did...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up on this (and shitting on the mods or whatever). I'm asking to get the diff removed because it's obviously not nearly as good as the standard diff, and I don't want grumd's mapset to suffer from a low-quality taiko if his standard diff is good.
Sorry for making yet another shitmap, grumd, and ruining your mapset.

You guys made me post when I didn't want to. <_<

I was not trying to get your taiko removed at all. There was promise in it, it just needed a lot of modding.

I >can't< mod it because I am on a on-again off-again hiatus, and don't want to make the dedicated purpose to mod the whole thing.

I can attempt to make a diff, because I realllly like this song, but I mean, it's up to you guys.

I still love you Odaril :<

Loctav is already mapping it.

grumd, you're so fast, i love you ♥

rank rank rank rank

Guys, did you read last couple of pages? This will not be ranked in near future.

*scratching on head*

I gaved it a IRC mod before, but seams like some main things are still not removed.
If you guys need help with this taiko diff., you may contact me.

Okay, guys, bubbles popped!
Odaril's taiko exported to the mapset description.
Loctav taiko added to the mapset. Taiko SB added (redownload!).
I've checked, standart diff wasn't changed.
Now we need taiko mods...

You also need full submit to update tags.

those wrote:

You also need full submit to update tags.

fullsubmitted again, thanks

@Loctav:
01:13:474 (1,2,3,4) - this stream needs more notes
02:04:351 (1,2,3,4) - i dont like these single notes :c
03:18:562 (2,3,4) - needs to be 1/6
03:22:597 (1) - do something to better fit with the music
03:31:076 (1,2,3) - delete these three notes
03:40:141 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - move them 1/4 earlier
03:41:105 - add a note
03:45:111 (3) - kat?
04:54:439 - add a note
04:57:334 (1) - the end really must be on 1/8? better end here 04:57:597 and add a note here 04:57:684
05:20:491 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - weird-looking
and it looks much better with 1.4 SV, imo

bah, good luck then :v

grumd wrote:

@Loctav:
01:13:474 (1,2,3,4) - this stream needs more notes true
02:04:351 (1,2,3,4) - i dont like these single notes :c well, I don't like breaks in Taiko diffs, but I think it fits here.
03:18:562 (2,3,4) - needs to be 1/6 true
03:22:597 (1) - do something to better fit with the music short spinners are meh, sliders don't fit. The only thing that fits, is a kat. Putting it as finish note may work, but since it's a 1/4 triplet, I don't want to put a finish here.
03:31:076 (1,2,3) - delete these three notes k
03:40:141 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - move them 1/4 earlier k
03:41:105 - add a note k
03:45:111 (3) - kat? k
04:54:439 - add a note k
04:57:334 (1) - the end really must be on 1/8? better end here 04:57:597 and add a note here 04:57:684 uhm. lol, dunno how this happened. fixed
05:20:491 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - weird-looking replaced with drumroll
and it looks much better with 1.4 SV, imo oh, whoops. I forgot to put it on 1,4 x__x

http://puu.sh/A09I
there u go

!Warning! Extremely long mod incoming. >.>

Бесподобно!
сделать из атмосферного брейккора goreshit такую отличную играбельную карту - изумительно!))
...я сначала подумал, что это математический рок)))

где ты нашёл этого исполнителя?

SPLinTER-OPS wrote:

Бесподобно!
сделать из атмосферного брейккора goreshit такую отличную играбельную карту - изумительно!))
...я сначала подумал, что это математический рок)))

где ты нашёл этого исполнителя?

goreshit увидел здесь, в осу, благодаря MATZcore

HashishKabob wrote:

!Warning! Extremely long mod incoming. >.>

Loctav's Taiko

Overall a fun map, few changes here and there but it's good.
00:36:720 - 00:37:597 this section is pretty much all dons. It's a drum and bass song so all you hear is the drum that you're trying to follow/capture. mm, well. Okay. I like both versions, lol
00:41:281 - missed a kat true
00:42:597 (2,3,4,1) - I wouldn't recommend following this kind of sound because there's no drum there. It's just a blaring/glitch noise thrown out there. Try to do something else here. the noise is too long to be only done with a finish, short spinners and sliders have same effect than the 1/6 thing. and the 1/6 sounds the best. and leaving out is no option
00:45:404 (1,2,3) - Another like above replaced with finish note
00:52:509 (2,3) - Remove these two kats. The sound you're trying to follow is barely audible, and even more-so with the kats there. removed the one on the blue tick. this should work better.
00:55:228 (1,2) - These two notes are kats and ironically 00:55:579 (1) isnt'. true
00:58:211 (2,1,1) - I'd remove the two kats there and use the don to make an off-beat pattern. There's really no sound here either. it took me a while to understand, but yeh, that sounds good.
01:01:193 - There's actually no sound on the fourth kat here so a don or blank space will suffice. removed one don.
01:07:860 (1,2,3,4) - Another spot where the noise is glitchy. Find another way to map this. see above.
01:13:825 - No sound on the last kat here either. yup
01:18:386 (1,2,3,4,1) - Drums die for a moment here. true.
01:20:579 - Missed a note. yup.
01:26:281 (5,6,7) - Spacing should change from 1/4 to 1/6 here. yup
01:30:316 (1,2,3,4) - Another glitch spot. see above.
01:32:334 - (Recommendation) I'd change this to a don to make it flow easier and sound closer to the music, but this piece of the song is hard to follow at all. seems fine to me.
01:36:720 - Missed a note. yup.
01:37:070 (3,4,1,1,2,1,1,2) - This whole pattern should be changed to fit the drums if you're trying to stay consistent with how you've mapped thus far. tried my best.
01:38:562 (2,3,1) - This piece you can make a 1/6 pattern to because the drums change to it. k
01:38:912 (1,2,3,1) - This doesn't really work because it's not drums, it's just glitch again. see above
01:44:527 - Missed a don here and next to it at 01:44:702 yup.
01:46:105 - No sound here. Change to a don or remove extra note. removed.
01:50:316 - Should be a don. true.
01:52:772 (3,4,5,1) - More glitch replaced with finish.
01:58:737 - change to don k
For all of the kiai time I can't tell what you're following at all. If you're just making you're own beat to add too the music then it's fine if you're following something, might want to consider remapping. I TRIED to follow the clusterf*k music, then it turned out to be pretty custom with some basement on the song self. I think the kiai overlays pretty well with it and I killed the randomness contained in this 'music'
03:14:614 - No sound here, remove don. k
03:15:228 - Change to kat. k
03:17:334 - Change to don. k
03:18:211 (1,2) - Change to kats. (Note: you can change the last kat on the 1/6 burst to a don.) k
03:19:790 (2,3,4,1) - More glitch. replaced with finisher.
03:31:369 (Editor Error) - I noticed you added a new combo to this note that doesn't need one (lol you'll see). lol, fixed
03:35:755 - Change to don. k
03:35:930 - Change to kat. k
03:38:211 - Add a don to the end of this 1/6 burst. 3-note 1/6th beat patterns are tricky to hit and a don isn't going to change anything. (Recommendation). don't fit the music.
03:39:702 - Missed a note. k
03:41:105 (Editor Error) - Check it again. xD XD
03:42:684 - Extra don, remove. k
03:45:053 (2,1,1,2) - Glitch. finisher
03:48:649 - (Recommendation) Missed a sound that could have a note here, but not necessary. k
03:49:439 - Change to don. k
03:50:141 - Change to don. k
03:50:930 - Remove to kats from the end of this pattern, there's no sound. k
04:44:000 (1,1,1,1,1) - Change to all dons. k
04:44:527 - 04:45:053 (Don't know how to explain so:) Change the pattern to this: http://puu.sh/A24H k
04:49:614 - Glitch see above
04:52:421 - Glitch see above
04:56:369 - (Recommendation) You could put something in this empty space here if you wanted, but not necessary. I don't want.
04:58:211 - Change to don. k
05:08:211 - Change note to don. The burst ends on the third note, but add the fourth one (which is there now) and change to a don to make it flow. k
05:12:158 - Remove note here and add it here: 05:12:334 k
The ending is subtle so I'd recommend slowly decreasing your note density as it progresses. Which you kind of do, but you don't even really just drop it, you know? I'm not sure if that's explained well. If it isn't contact me and i'll help clarify some more. well, I don't like SV changes.

http://puu.sh/AcYl there we go

thanks alot :'D

Taikomod as requested in IRC :3

NOTE: Even if the map isn't uploaded with Loctav's latest update, it's modded as if it would be, since Loctav handed me the newer version via IRC

General:
Reduce drain by 1 or 2, since the map is over 5minutes long.
Maybe increase overall vol. to 60% (90% for kiaiparts), so you can actually hear what you play
01:13:737 - remove this and the following timingsection or don't reduce the vol. that dramatically, it's irritateing
02:01:720 - 02:23:912 remove this break manually in the editor, breaks are not allowed in taikomode
First Kiai needs to end on either 03:08:562 or 03:08:912
05:10:053 - hmm, i'm not sure about dropping the vol. by a total of 10%. if you want to stay at 10% reduce, move second section to 05:15:228 to let the drop be more consistent.


Mapping:
You didn't rework all comobcolours, it's quiet hard to read as a modder~
00:36:807 (1) - this is supposed to be kat i guess?
00:45:404 (1) - big doesn't really make sense to me, small is fine here
00:56:281 (1) - this needs to be at 00:56:369 (slow down the part and you'll see it ;D)
01:07:860 (1) - again, make this one small
01:27:509 (1) - a 1/6 stream would fit here, since you use one at a similar part of the song ( 01:30:316 (1,2,3,1) - )
01:29:965 (1) - small pls
01:52:772 (3) - either make it small or make it small and add 1/6 stream (as mentioned above)
02:46:105 (1) - 1/6 stream would fit here
03:19:790 (2) - ^
03:45:053 (2) - ^
04:02:772 (1,2,3,4) - kat sounds better IMO (if you do so, please make 04:02:070 (1,2,3) - don)
04:39:790 (1,1,1,1,1) - ddkdk?
05:14:877 (2) - 1/6 stream here? :3
05:16:983 (3) - maybe kat?
05:20:491 (3) - i dislike the finishing slider, maybe go for something like this:

Okay, found more than I thought

Be happy with it :3

Good luck~

Kokatsu wrote:

Taikomod as requested in IRC :3

NOTE: Even if the map isn't uploaded with Loctav's latest update, it's modded as if it would be, since Loctav handed me the newer version via IRC

General:
Reduce drain by 1 or 2, since the map is over 5minutes long. reduced by 1
Maybe increase overall vol. to 60% (90% for kiaiparts), so you can actually hear what you play hmm, well, okay.
01:13:737 - remove this and the following timingsection or don't reduce the vol. that dramatically, it's irritateing removed
02:01:720 - 02:23:912 remove this break manually in the editor, breaks are not allowed in taikomode well, not neccessary, but, okay
First Kiai needs to end on either 03:08:562 or 03:08:912 needs to be consistent with standard diff
05:10:053 - hmm, i'm not sure about dropping the vol. by a total of 10%. if you want to stay at 10% reduce, move second section to 05:15:228 to let the drop be more consistent. removed the sections


Mapping:
You didn't rework all comobcolours, it's quiet hard to read as a modder~ dunno, lol
00:36:807 (1) - this is supposed to be kat i guess? yes
00:45:404 (1) - big doesn't really make sense to me, small is fine here the distorted noise called for something different
00:56:281 (1) - this needs to be at 00:56:369 (slow down the part and you'll see it ;D) true
01:07:860 (1) - again, make this one small see above
01:27:509 (1) - a 1/6 stream would fit here, since you use one at a similar part of the song ( 01:30:316 (1,2,3,1) - ) k
01:29:965 (1) - small pls to keep the ryhthm from a few seconds ago, this one stays
01:52:772 (3) - either make it small or make it small and add 1/6 stream (as mentioned above) see above
02:46:105 (1) - 1/6 stream would fit here yup
03:19:790 (2) - ^ as made before, yes
03:45:053 (2) - ^ as refused before, no
04:02:772 (1,2,3,4) - kat sounds better IMO (if you do so, please make 04:02:070 (1,2,3) - don) k
04:39:790 (1,1,1,1,1) - ddkdk? seems fine
05:14:877 (2) - 1/6 stream here? :3 no, already agreed to the other mod, that this fits more.
05:16:983 (3) - maybe kat? yup
05:20:491 (3) - i dislike the finishing slider, maybe go for something like this:

SPOILER

Spinner ends at 05:23:649
If you want, you can also drop the vol. for the spinner by 10~20%

it fits better.
Okay, found more than I thought

Be happy with it :3

Good luck~

Thanks
http://puu.sh/ARqW

Loctav wrote:

First Kiai needs to end on either 03:08:562 or 03:08:912 needs to be consistent with standard diff

Actually, this is wrong. Kiai only needs to be the same inbetween Standarddiffs.