may be it is his" Replays Watched by Others".darkmiz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/345911
5 play counts and ranked #149 with 1,314 ???
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i think what peppy is trying to do is;
--> You get X points by a top rank(map rank), calculated by the players rank behind you (in that map rank)
For example, a beatmap that with top 5# Silvia, 4# white wolf if you get 2# you get a lot of "???" points.
So if you pass higher rank players in beatmaps, you get a lot of points. (Ofc this is hard to do lol)
Its like getting our averange map rank. but competing with others.
Why top rank players in Difficulty Easy and normal have so much "???" points?
they get a lot of points cuz they are above Good rankings players! Example: They are above osuplayer111 that play easy's and normal's for Acc only. Or any other player that do it for fun or to pratice when was neewbie.
This is just my theory after all! xD
--> You get X points by a top rank(map rank), calculated by the players rank behind you (in that map rank)
For example, a beatmap that with top 5# Silvia, 4# white wolf if you get 2# you get a lot of "???" points.
So if you pass higher rank players in beatmaps, you get a lot of points. (Ofc this is hard to do lol)
Its like getting our averange map rank. but competing with others.
Why top rank players in Difficulty Easy and normal have so much "???" points?
they get a lot of points cuz they are above Good rankings players! Example: They are above osuplayer111 that play easy's and normal's for Acc only. Or any other player that do it for fun or to pratice when was neewbie.
This is just my theory after all! xD
So now rank matters.
I don't know about that theory about it being some ratio of how many good players you outrank. I had no ??? score this morning, and then I got some relatively average scores on something like five maps, and all of a sudden I have 56 ???. I can't imagine what the hell it could mean... unless maybe it just takes a while for all the profiles to update with it somehow? I don't know.
Lol, this system is hilarious. I had 124 ??? earlier, and now I have 22 ???. There are a lot of theories out there, but I'm not going to put my full trust into them until some real word comes out about how the new ranking system works.
Tom69_old
It's getting better now imho.
I see a very high percentage of High-Skilled players in the top100. WAY higher than in the current score-ladder.
Also ragelewa is #1 finnish!
It's not really sorted by skill, more by amount of ranks, but at least it accounts for the map difficulties a lot better now. If this is still getting improved I totally can't complain about this as a form of a rough skill measurement.
I see a very high percentage of High-Skilled players in the top100. WAY higher than in the current score-ladder.
Also ragelewa is #1 finnish!
It's not really sorted by skill, more by amount of ranks, but at least it accounts for the map difficulties a lot better now. If this is still getting improved I totally can't complain about this as a form of a rough skill measurement.
v this guy has a stupid amount with only 5pc though so there's obviously something wrong.. too bad we can't see his most played stats (or is it just me) so we know what gave him all the points
i dont wanna look at this anymore rofl. pcedarkmiz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/345911
5 play counts and ranked #149 with 1,314 ???
Gonedarkmiz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/345911
5 play counts and ranked #149 with 1,314 ???
I guess "???" should be called "Skill Points" or "Ownage Points", since it somehow calculates on your skill level X length you've played (?).
My "???" at the time of this post:
osu! standard = 307 (frequent plays)
Taiko = 573 (stopped playing since last year)
CTB = 405 (also stopped since last year)
My "???" at the time of this post:
osu! standard = 307 (frequent plays)
Taiko = 573 (stopped playing since last year)
CTB = 405 (also stopped since last year)
Waryas
1_1_1 was a multi of HHKD btw that's a report from a !multi from like 2years ago and nothing was done about it.Sakura Hana wrote:
Gonedarkmiz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/345911
5 play counts and ranked #149 with 1,314 ???
The screenshot is still somewhere on this forum, on that "this score doesn't look right" thread
I'm at 127.
If that is anything near remotely good then it still needs some work. Does seem more accurate than the current system though, looking at other players.
If that is anything near remotely good then it still needs some work. Does seem more accurate than the current system though, looking at other players.
???: 413
^and when I played Katakiri Rekka - Deep Blue Sky & Pure White Wings (Insane), my ??? is 414..
Just read most of the posts here, and still I'm confused about this ???.
^and when I played Katakiri Rekka - Deep Blue Sky & Pure White Wings (Insane), my ??? is 414..
Just read most of the posts here, and still I'm confused about this ???.
top 1000 have like 910+ or so ???s so i'd say the system is working pretty decentA8mew wrote:
I'm at 127.
If that is anything near remotely good then it still needs some work. Does seem more accurate than the current system though, looking at other players.
...And I thought that lower is better. Dang it, that brain lag.Unkind wrote:
higher is better, lol
So what's this actually? I'm confused right now. Any hints? Does this has something to do with our activity? Or things like that? Or maybe...
Orz.
That's the thing, nobody knows. o.o We're all just speculating and coming up with possible theories at the moment until they actually reveal what this whole ??? business is about.
??? is actually the measure of how much you hate the idea of osz2reuben2011 wrote:
That's the thing, nobody knows. o.o We're all just speculating and coming up with possible theories at the moment until they actually reveal what this whole ??? business is about.
In my opinion the system isn't wotkin very good.
Yes it can sort the good players fitting in the top 10 but things like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/u/219057 ....
I mean this guy was just farming #1's on easy and normal and has a higher ??? than KRZY or Neruell?
Even at my example: there are people with a higher ??? that cant even pass a insane against me beeing able to mostly
pass every insane!
I came to a conclusion: a ranking for skill in osu is not possible! Jeah it fits mainly but it'll never reach 50% according to the
actual skill ranking (i gues everybody has a an idea of how it looks...)
Yes it can sort the good players fitting in the top 10 but things like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/u/219057 ....
I mean this guy was just farming #1's on easy and normal and has a higher ??? than KRZY or Neruell?
Even at my example: there are people with a higher ??? that cant even pass a insane against me beeing able to mostly
pass every insane!
I came to a conclusion: a ranking for skill in osu is not possible! Jeah it fits mainly but it'll never reach 50% according to the
actual skill ranking (i gues everybody has a an idea of how it looks...)
asians.uljjang wrote:
my theory was true
stop discussing.
and yeah, it was the only thing that sounds true
i got 600+. am i good? 
I'll just suggest this to you guys: Every time your "???" thingy rises (wait what), tell us what have you done before that here. It might be helpful for us, y'know.
Maybe it's the amount of the beatmaps with the highest SD on a mapset we have cleared (to make it simple, clearing the hardest beatmap in a mapset, although this is not always the case here), but it might be not that too.
lol
Maybe it's the amount of the beatmaps with the highest SD on a mapset we have cleared (to make it simple, clearing the hardest beatmap in a mapset, although this is not always the case here), but it might be not that too.
lol
I know how ppy said he will never reveal the formula for this on #modhelp, but however this works, it seems like more reasonable ranking method.
but looking at ^'s example.. yeah, Normally, having tons of #1 on easy, normal doesnt mean you are good at osu.
but this is just problem of the "formula" that ppy said, and if he works more about this, I think we well be able to face more reasonable ranking method O.O..
but looking at ^'s example.. yeah, Normally, having tons of #1 on easy, normal doesnt mean you are good at osu.
but this is just problem of the "formula" that ppy said, and if he works more about this, I think we well be able to face more reasonable ranking method O.O..
ViP3R wrote:
mine has risen 4 when i got the #10 on Deep Space Easy diff
1 hour ago haha5957 achieved rank #21 on Tama - Sonna Yume wo Mita no ~lonely dreaming girl~ [Normal] (osu!)
1 hour ago haha5957 achieved rank #28 on DJ YOSHITAKA - Evans (Ghost Remix) [Another] (osu!)
1 hour ago haha5957 achieved rank #13 on DJ YOSHITAKA - Evans (Ghost Remix) [Scorpiour's Hyper] (osu!)
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9 seconds ago haha5957 achieved rank #31 on Rhapsody - Emerald Sword [Light] (osu!)
11 minutes ago haha5957 achieved rank #29 on Rex - Heart Of Witch [illuminist's Easy] (osu!)
15 minutes ago haha5957 achieved rank #64 on Rex - Heart Of Witch [illuminist's Easy] (osu!)
18 minutes ago haha5957 achieved rank #21 on Hosoe Shinji - SON OF SUN [Normal] (osu!)
but miine hasnt risen even by one after these.
Yesterday i got #10 on this map http://osu.ppy.sh/b/28895 and my ??? didn't change, so it's maybe really something with "popular songs"
EDIT: ninja'd by haha5957
EDIT: ninja'd by haha5957
yea i have tried to farm some top40' or so but it has not risen, only after deep space
Just repeatin'.Hinsvar wrote:
I'll just suggest this to you guys: Every time your "???" thingy rises (wait what), tell us what have you done before that here. It might be helpful for us, y'know.
Also, uljjang's theory might be pretty close to the truth. We'll just need peppy to show us that.
I just want to understand how it works :3.
i still don't get it!
Time to rank up
i still don't get it!
Time to rank up
i lol'd
I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish but peppy's not trolling.Mustaash wrote:
i lol'd
Mustaash wrote:
i lol'd
Mmmm I got ???:121 yesterday and ???:446 today D:
Seems to be a fun new system :3
Seems to be a fun new system :3
Recalculating again D:
recalc recalc recalc xD
It's gonna be long time to reach #17000 haha5957n T.T
It's gonna be long time to reach #17000 haha5957n T.T
^ thismochi wrote:
??? is actually the measure of how much you hate the idea of osz2
lol'd[Dellirium] wrote:
^ thismochi wrote:
??? is actually the measure of how much you hate the idea of osz2
???: 3,119
dafuq just happend
???: 4,856 for now wtf
I'm guessing it's getting more and more accurate when it's higher like that.
I agreetheowest wrote:
I'm guessing it's getting more and more accurate when it's higher like that.
^less users with same ???Kert wrote:
I agreetheowest wrote:
I'm guessing it's getting more and more accurate when it's higher like that.
anyways... ???: 4,119... wat the...
Why is there a link of this thread on that page? :O
that one? Maybe to get others updated about this...Philippines wrote:
Why is there a link of this thread on that page? :O
>???: 2,065
And then it increased like crazy.
I can't think of what is this. The amount of beatmaps we have played might be a bit logical, although I don't really think that's the case.
And then it increased like crazy.
I can't think of what is this. The amount of beatmaps we have played might be a bit logical, although I don't really think that's the case.
Hinsvar wrote:
And then it increased like crazy.
It'd be good if this new ranking system was based also on %'s of fail/retry on every diff.
For example, the higher top place on the diff you have, the higher your score is.
But if you play Easy (~50% success rate), you'll get less points than if you play Insane with ~20% success rate.
This %'s could be easily included into calculations, I suppose.
For example, the higher top place on the diff you have, the higher your score is.
But if you play Easy (~50% success rate), you'll get less points than if you play Insane with ~20% success rate.
This %'s could be easily included into calculations, I suppose.
lololkanye west wrote:
I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish but peppy's not trolling.Mustaash wrote:
i lol'd
OMG FRIENDOK CAN POST
He never got his posting rights removed, it's known as a Mod Queue you idiots. When he posts something that the moderators think isn't entirely stupid, the post will go through the Mod Queue into the thread itself! Magical, isn't it.
didnt care enough to know c:
It's a pretty integral part of the forums so everyone should know it. There is absolutely no excuse to not knowing about Mod Queue.
God, adjustments over adjustments and the German taiko rank still makes me lol so hard.
there is total hits,so maybe it is total misses or something like that
My new guess is the number of plays over the past 6 months or something. That will make much more sense.
ReVeNg3r wrote:
there is total hits,so maybe it is total misses or something like that
How to explain WhiteWolf's total misses drops from 12000 to 6000then not misses,,continue in guessing)Pokie wrote:
ReVeNg3r wrote:
there is total hits,so maybe it is total misses or something like that
If I may speculate as well. I think it measures how well your scores are compared to the difficulty of the songs. Anyways, it seems to me it's going the right way.
Loctav wrote:
the German taiko rank still makes me lol so hard.
Haha, what a lovely guess :3BlazingFX wrote:
exciting, possibly used for matchmaking! O.O
i guess it is something per day or week or month,given to increasimg/decreasing
a peppy take on a ranking metric that aims to be more contextually relevant. favours skill, can't be heavily farmed, diminishes naturally over time should you become inactive. could be used to an extent for matchmaking. still a work in progress and constantly changing/evolving. calculations will not be realtime. if/when implemented, old rankings will still be available, but become secondary. discuss any odd cases you may find.
yup you're on the right path ganbatte!!
yup you're on the right path ganbatte!!
That's what he wrote though ;pLolicore Flandre wrote:
Haha, what a lovely guess :3BlazingFX wrote:
exciting, possibly used for matchmaking! O.O
" could be used to an extent for matchmaking."
I'm just going to assume this is all the stats added together and somehow averaged out.
huh this sounds interesting
Matchmaking in osu is the shittiest and most retarded idea ever. Soon they're going to remove mods or do something as stupid as that because there is no way things are going to start making sense any time soon. Hey I have a new idea, how about you make the beatmaps ranking AUTOMATED so EVERYONE will get their SHITTY maps ranked! None of this is hopefully going to happen, just thought of some really stupid stuff that I think a person like peppy might do. I hope to god that I'm not guessing right.-A t H e N a- wrote:
a peppy take on a ranking metric that aims to be more contextually relevant. favours skill, can't be heavily farmed, diminishes naturally over time should you become inactive. could be used to an extent for matchmaking. still a work in progress and constantly changing/evolving. calculations will not be realtime. if/when implemented, old rankings will still be available, but become secondary. discuss any odd cases you may find.
yup you're on the right path ganbatte!!
Jesus Christ this is getting retarded.
edit: also peppy is pretty much making his name synonymous with "retarded" if he plans to use it to describe the new ranking system.
ragelewa: so leave, for good.
That's the thing, I like this game. I just don't like some of the things I'm afraid you're going to do.peppy wrote:
ragelewa: so leave, for good.
if you like this game then you like what i've done so far, so have some trust and stfu.
You are not supposed to use matchmaking in multis if you don't want to.
And if this ranking is really dependent of recent activity stuff, it would explain some very odd rankings.
And if this ranking is really dependent of recent activity stuff, it would explain some very odd rankings.
it could be "Number of visitors"...really)) per day or week )
Matchmaking is actually a good idea for those that wish to use Multi more often. This means people can get into rooms that are around their level, unlike going into one and suddenly finding out every single person can't beat a normal difficulty. It's not competitive, it's not for money, show, or anything like that...ragelewa wrote:
Matchmaking in osu is the shittiest and most retarded idea ever. Soon they're going to remove mods or do something as stupid as that because there is no way things are going to start making sense any time soon. Hey I have a new idea, how about you make the beatmaps ranking AUTOMATED so EVERYONE will get their SHITTY maps ranked! None of this is hopefully going to happen, just thought of some really stupid stuff that I think a person like peppy might do. I hope to god that I'm not guessing right.-A t H e N a- wrote:
a peppy take on a ranking metric that aims to be more contextually relevant. favours skill, can't be heavily farmed, diminishes naturally over time should you become inactive. could be used to an extent for matchmaking. still a work in progress and constantly changing/evolving. calculations will not be realtime. if/when implemented, old rankings will still be available, but become secondary. discuss any odd cases you may find.
yup you're on the right path ganbatte!!
Jesus Christ this is getting retarded.
edit: also peppy is pretty much making his name synonymous with "retarded" if he plans to use it to describe the new ranking system.
The fact you over-reacted before you even took in time to realize "Hey, this might be an update for a community benefit" then you would of seen the big picture.
You're like every other person that sees a change and doesn't like it... You'll bitch about it and then end up using it in the future, if not, you'll bitch about it 24/7, come to hate the game because of ONE feature, that you DON'T HAVE TO USE, and get yourself banned for not shutting up in the first place.
I for one, welcome the matchmaking system. I just hope this will get the community more involved with Multi and will allow me to actually find a room suited best for my skill.
Yes, play something like League Of Legends in Single Player.ragelewa wrote:
Matchmaking in osu is the shittiest and most retarded idea ever.
You're not from 2009, I see.ragelewa wrote:
Hey I have a new idea, how about you make the beatmaps ranking AUTOMATED so EVERYONE will get their SHITTY maps ranked!
peppy wrote:
if you like this game then you like what i've done so far, so have some trust and stfu.
Please stay on topic.
The score metrics are being changed, that's why the scores are so jumpy.ReVeNg3r wrote:
it could be "Number of visitors"...really)) per day or week )
Heck, dont even guess that the score increased from activity or other things you did yourself, my score went from 900+ to 4000+ while I didn't do anything.
yes,yes,,there are another values of ??? in osu/taiko/ctb stats too...weird
Start wondering about what the formula calculates AFTER it's been finetuned. Kriers should update his post to include a bunch of handy information so people don't just jump in here and ask about something that was answered 7 pages ago.
well moelewa i was focusing more on this line
a peppy take on a ranking metric that aims to be more contextually relevant. favours skill, can't be heavily farmed, diminishes naturally over time should you become inactive.
no idea about the matchmaking stuff so i didn't comment on that, so far this new ranking seems to stay true to what it claims to offer.
off topic:once this is done i do hope peppy starts focusing on multiplayer
removing the annoying bugs and perhaps adding new features or game modes
it's been mentioned in a feature request, but try to make multiplayer not just singleplayer with other people, tag coop was an awesome addition but i think it's time for more XD
a peppy take on a ranking metric that aims to be more contextually relevant. favours skill, can't be heavily farmed, diminishes naturally over time should you become inactive.
no idea about the matchmaking stuff so i didn't comment on that, so far this new ranking seems to stay true to what it claims to offer.
off topic:once this is done i do hope peppy starts focusing on multiplayer
removing the annoying bugs and perhaps adding new features or game modes
it's been mentioned in a feature request, but try to make multiplayer not just singleplayer with other people, tag coop was an awesome addition but i think it's time for more XD
You'd probably get matched up against players automatically in multiplayer, players that have the same amount of ??? as you.Emaal wrote:
explain what you mean by "matchmaking" to this silly Dane, please.
Speculating.
maal
I see, seems odd. If it gets to this point, why not just make a button that you can enable, to play against people with approx the same amount of ???, and disable you can play against whoever.ragelewa wrote:
You'd probably get matched up against players automatically in multiplayer, players that have the same amount of ??? as you.Emaal wrote:
explain what you mean by "matchmaking" to this silly Dane, please.
Speculating.
Also, I don't have any ??? now, what the fuck.
It's recalculating. Finetuning takes a lot of time and it's stated in the big block of text at the "playerranking2" page.
which is why i support wishy's suggestion of a completely new mode seperate from single and multiplayer if matchmaking is to be applied
perhaps another ranking for it, but im probably asking too much
perhaps another ranking for it, but im probably asking too much
lol,ppy certainly removed it because of this thread haha.
Topic Starter
done. Thanks for any useful inforagelewa wrote:
Start wondering about what the formula calculates AFTER it's been finetuned. Kriers should update his post to include a bunch of handy information so people don't just jump in here and ask about something that was answered 7 pages ago.
just some personal opinions
1) the new rank is fine and creative, but when it comes stable, players will find the way to increase it, like the old ranking.
2) if the calculation cant separate how "valuable" the different maps are, the result may not become exact.
3) i cant wait to compare the new rank to the video of "best 2012"
4) im quite curious what is the rank in mind when ppy calculating this new rank
5) whitewolf higher than cookiezi is reasonable. even everyone knows cookiezi is stronger than any human.
glad to see the changes and new things.
1) the new rank is fine and creative, but when it comes stable, players will find the way to increase it, like the old ranking.
2) if the calculation cant separate how "valuable" the different maps are, the result may not become exact.
3) i cant wait to compare the new rank to the video of "best 2012"
4) im quite curious what is the rank in mind when ppy calculating this new rank
5) whitewolf higher than cookiezi is reasonable. even everyone knows cookiezi is stronger than any human.
glad to see the changes and new things.
I wonder if approved maps are counted too? Probably not
Scores there most of the time can quite clearly show the skill of a player though
Scores there most of the time can quite clearly show the skill of a player though