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Osu! and Repetitive Strain Injuries (how do we avoid them?)

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ninjastarr
Repetitive strain injuries are the bane of any avid video game player. As I singletap with my pen, I need to be able to hold the pen in a certain position in order to successfully snap from circle to circle and singletap higher bpm's, but of course the motion of repetitively tapping the tablet surface is practically asking for a RSI of some sort.

More orthodox playstyles encourage singletapping with the keyboard, and many mouse players may get RSI's on their wrists. (esp. carpal tunnel syndrome.)

So, more the point, how do we avoid RSI's? What do/don't you guys do, and what would you guys suggest?

my personal suggestions:

- If you're feeling frustrated (playing on tilt) while a session of osu, you might have more on your plate than you can take - slow down a bit.
- If something you're doing feels (physically) uncomfortable, stop doing it.
- If you feel or begin to feel physical fatigue after a long session of osu, take a break.
(after a several-hour-long play session today, some of my fingers on my pen-hand feel like they've locked up in my tapping grip; also my ring finger feels subtle pain.
PLEASE TAKE BREAKS AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR BODY! :o )
- Don't do anything too strenuous; For instance, don't grip your pen very hard, don't grip your mouse very hard, don't mash really hard when alternating (even if it succeeds). It'll save you in the long run.

Pettanko wrote:

... don't be a fuckin' idiot and know your limits.
pretty sure it's common sense but then again it's not so common nowadays.
can't count how long i've been playing games and my hands are just fine since i take breaks every hour at the maximum.

Ichi wrote:



1) True story, if you feel strain or pain make sure you follow that simple guide.
2) Don´t stress and do not stiffen up too much while playing
3) If some part of your body is hurting or uncomfortable try and change your positioning until you feel it stops, even if your gameplay skills decrease (you´ll get used to it eventually)
4) It´s just a game and not something worth hurting yourself in the long term, you probably love this game more than you do your hands now but in some years you´ll be wishing you didn´t.

Add that to your guide, and yes i suppose he´s trying to help people who are/have suffered some pain from playing the game and maybe believe that they will get used to it, uncomfortable is good and your body can get used to that, but pain is another thing SO STOP PLAYING IF YOU FEEL PAIN.

laishiou wrote:

I think the one case [that] I would recommend working through the songs rather than quitting due to pain is with a marathon [in] mania; and more so for 4K than anything else. Stamina training is generally needed at higher levels. ._. As previously stated, in this game you want to try and play as relaxed as possible - although of course, you can never be completely relaxed. This is much more important at the higher levels for managing fast patterns physically.
(slightly edited for clarity)

piruchan wrote:

It's not like the pain is the beginning of a mutation process that will turn you into Cookiezi.
TL;DR - safety first applies on osu too. What's your experience with RSI's?

Also, please be mindful of the fact that some of us (myself included) are often times not enlightened with 'common sense', and thus the most obvious detail should never be left out!


edit 7/3/2014 : added some input from posts. sincere thanks to all contributors!
Bauxe
If your hand hurts, stop fucking playing the game.

(I know you pretty much posted this, but its the main point. The amount of people who post going "MY HAND HURTS A LOT SHOULD I KEEP PLAYING??" is a bit ridiculous)
Vuelo Eluko
i work through the pain
Pettanko
how to avoid hand injuries? don't be a fuckin' idiot and know your limits

pretty sure it's common sense but then again it's not so common nowadays

can't count how long i've been playing games and my hands are just fine since i take breaks every hour at the maximum
Nub1
When my thumb finger hurt, it took more than 3 days to get fully recovered.

Do another activities or play other games while waiting it to get recovered.
MEK
buy a 120hz monitor and u get better stamina and wont get rsi
Weed

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i work through the pain
Mythras
stop if it hurts, pretty goddamn simple lol, usually if you stop the minute you have pain for an hour you're fine for hours after
nrl
I've never experienced any pain playing osu!. Honestly, if you do manage to hurt yourself you're probably doing something wrong, unless you're playing for 6+ hours straight every day.
B1rd
when my starts hand hurting, I take a break for like 10 minutes, but then I'm just sitting there and the pink circle on my desktop beckons me to click it again.


so take advice from the best player
SPOILER

thelewa wrote:

PAIN IS ONLY A FEELING YOU CAN GET USED TO IT
xasuma
Are you asking a question? Or are you personally giving advice on the matter? I am not sure the purpose of this thread. Past common sense, someone who doesn't have the knowledge necessary nor detailed information on every specific case can't give you an accurate answer.
If there is a correct place to ask for medical advice on the internet, I doubt that place is the gameplay & rankings forums of the osu! community. ^^

And no dont take advice from thelewa, he has no idea what he is talking about (nor anyone who claims to have the answers). After all he's injured himself, proving his prevention methods are clearly bad. (Im refering to the post above)
Noobsicle

xasuma wrote:

Are you asking a question? Or are you personally giving advice on the matter? I am not sure the purpose of this thread. Past common sense, someone who doesn't have the knowledge necessary nor detailed information on every specific case can't give you an accurate answer.
it's pretty clear what the op is discussing here

don't try to deny the fact that clueless players exist
Ichi


1) True story, if you feel strain or pain make sure you follow that simple guide.
2) Don´t stress and do not stiffen up too much while playing
3) If some part of your body is hurting or uncomfortable try and change your positioning until you feel it stops, even if your gameplay skills decrease (you´ll get used to it eventually)
4) It´s just a game and not something worth hurting yourself in the long term, you probably love this game more than you do your hands now but in some years you´ll be wishing you didn´t.

Add that to your guide, and yes i suppose he´s trying to help people who are/have suffered some pain from playing the game and maybe believe that they will get used to it, uncomfortable is good and your body can get used to that, but pain is another thing SO STOP PLAYING IF YOU FEEL PAIN.
piruchan

Ichi wrote:

SO STOP PLAYING IF YOU FEEL PAIN.
^ Common sense. It's not like the pain is the beginning of a mutation process that will turn you into Cookiezi.
Nub1

B1rd wrote:

when my starts hand hurting, I take a break for like 10 minutes, but then I'm just sitting there and the pink circle on my desktop beckons me to click it again.


so take advice from the best player
SPOILER

thelewa wrote:

PAIN IS ONLY A FEELING YOU CAN GET USED TO IT

and look what he suffer now
Vuelo Eluko

Ichi wrote:



1) True story, if you feel strain or pain make sure you follow that simple guide.
2) Don´t stress and do not stiffen up too much while playing
3) If some part of your body is hurting or uncomfortable try and change your positioning until you feel it stops, even if your gameplay skills decrease (you´ll get used to it eventually)
4) It´s just a game and not something worth hurting yourself in the long term, you probably love this game more than you do your hands now but in some years you´ll be wishing you didn´t.

Add that to your guide, and yes i suppose he´s trying to help people who are/have suffered some pain from playing the game and maybe believe that they will get used to it, uncomfortable is good and your body can get used to that, but pain is another thing SO STOP PLAYING IF YOU FEEL PAIN.
i dont think that guide is as effective for osu as it is for typing. i cant go as fast with the "right" angle as i can with the one on the bottom right.
ikzune
i think the one case i would work recommend working through the songs rather then quitting due to pain is with a marathon mania and more so for 4k then anything else, stamina training is generally needed at higher levels of osu mania ._. i understand that this is not directed at osumania however the topic question was generalised so i thought i would add this, as ichi had stated, in this game mode you want to try and play as relaxed as possible of course you can never be completely relaxed, this is more so important at the higher levels for managing fast patterns physically
Vuelo Eluko

laishiou wrote:

i think the one case i would work recommend working through the songs rather then quitting due to pain is with a marathon mania and more so for 4k then anything else, stamina training is generally needed at higher levels of osu mania ._. i understand that this is not directed at osumania however the topic question was generalised so i thought i would add this, as ichi had stated, in this game mode you want to try and play as relaxed as possible of course you can never be completely relaxed, this is more so important at the higher levels for managing fast patterns physically
it amazes me how much top stepmania players demolish their keyboard with the force of their taps when they play.
Ichi

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i dont think that guide is as effective for osu as it is for typing. i cant go as fast with the "right" angle as i can with the one on the bottom right.
Of course it is... hand positioning in relation to the keyboard has only one meaning. It´s not an osu! speed tapping guide, its just a guide that lets you know how to place your hands correctly on a keyboard so if your typing or using it alot you won´t hurt yourself. And that´s why i said, changing a position won´t make you bettter, on the contrary you will feel slower but you have to know that the right position is worth giving up a bit of speed (which you´ll end up getting back when you get used to the change)

piruchan wrote:

Ichi wrote:

SO STOP PLAYING IF YOU FEEL PAIN.
^ Common sense. It's not like the pain is the beginning of a mutation process that will turn you into Cookiezi.
well you know the simplest things are sometimes the hardest to see... If it was such common sence then why do we have people suffering from hand strains over and over? i don´t think they where completely fine and the next day they suffered from carpal tunnel or whatever, you must go through alot of numbness and keep playing for that to happen.
Topic Starter
ninjastarr
thanks for input guys, updated op

note several quotes were slightly edited for grammatical clarity as I saw fit; please correct me if anything doesn't look right!
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